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It created discussion but idk if that was intentional.In post 69, Marky Mark wrote:This just feels like a low-effort consensus vote.
VOTE: T3
Why "strange" eg as opposed to scummy?
Also raya is town.
UNVOTE: Flea
I guess a push like that doesn't make sense from scuflea but we shouldn't dismiss it.-
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I think your meta case is cherry picking - you can read newbie 2061 where I was scumrea dby skitter for exactly this. I was town.In post 78, InsidiousLemons wrote:
i didn't think the case itself was scummy, mostly i wanted to put pressure on flea so he'd answer me about how he thought i could've gotten confused. which is why this sheep and subsequent retraction stands out so much to me:In post 65, Umlaut wrote:I get why y'all would find Flea's case unconvincing but I don't see how it's scummy at all.
it's early, but this is highly unusual for the town!T3 whom i've played with before. i rarely see him back down this easily or immediately, and he tends not to sheep other players so readily and for such little reason. last game i played with him, someone mentioned opportunism as one of T3's scumtells, so i'll be on the lookout for more of this.In post 71, T3 wrote:
It created discussion but idk if that was intentional.In post 69, Marky Mark wrote: This just feels like a low-effort consensus vote.
VOTE: T3
Why "strange" eg as opposed to scummy?
Also raya is town.
UNVOTE: Flea
I guess a push like that doesn't make sense from scuflea but we shouldn't dismiss it.
if you think you can predict how someone will react to something, isn't it usually best to confirm your suspicions? town doesn't care about looking like they made a scummy push (at least not unless they're in real danger of becoming a miselim), so as a way to start discussion rolling it's not a bad idea. in my experience, standing back with your hands on your hips rather than answering questions as flea does in 77 can sometimes come from scum, but he doesn't seem to have really believed much in his push and was more using it as a reaction test. considering it got us out of RVS unprecedentedly early, which is usually not something scum actively tries to do, i'm comfortable with a slight townlean here.In post 66, Raya36 wrote:Agreeing with Umlaut. It's such a weird take as scum. I feel like this kind of response could have been predicted so why even try pushing that
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flea, what is it from osuka that gives you a slight townlean? i find him incredibly difficult to read especially so early in the game, so i'm curious what you're seeing here, no matter how insubstantial.-
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Ah, sorry, 2059.In post 97, InsidiousLemons wrote:T3, i just had a peek at 2061 and skitter replaced out before ever posting. is it possible you meant to reference another game? your play there doesn't seem to match this one at all.-
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The strange was more "i would be surprised if this logic came from town" strange. I then voted. I was then addressed about it, reread, realized it probably isn't that scummy, and unvoted.In post 98, Marky Mark wrote:@T3 what made you turn 180 on your vote on Flea in such a short space of time? Feel free to also answer the (related) question I posed earlier ref why "strange" as a choice of description.-
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No clue, I've got a bunch of townreads but no scumreads.In post 106, Marky Mark wrote:Who's scum rn off the top of your head if not Flea?-
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I think Korina said in the op at some point.In post 115, Enchant wrote:You probably answered already, but how Flea know who didn't refuse PM instantly.-
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Because your tone is different to me.In post 153, osuka wrote:
???????????In post 144, T3 wrote:osuka tone is towny to me by meta. I've only played games with him as scum so not totally sure.
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In post 224, Raya36 wrote:
Why not? I think there are points for both ways.In post 135, T3 wrote:I don't think the enchant questioning thing is AI.
Yeah, not the biggest fan of this either.In post 139, Umlaut wrote:
WMFMIn post 136, Major Minor wrote:There are other slots who had done less (and have still done less) and yet you're not applying the same scrutiny to them yet. Strange.
(This tell didn't actually work in my last game but I still think it has merit)
This is the same idea againIn post 146, Major Minor wrote: Feels rather disingenuous on your part, tbh.
I think Enchant's analysis on the cult's likelihood of hard-bussing is good and pro-town. I hadn't really put too much thought into that possibility.
@Flea, why is this set-up fishing? I don't really get how it was fishing for anything. Plus wouldn't the scum have a decent idea of the set-up? It's been a while since I've played one of these block set-up games.
Also don't get this. They can stop the convert?In post 160, Enchant wrote:Sorry, but believing jailkeeper or rolestopper can stop convert is..
Uuuh. How good are docs and jailkeepers? Unless we have unrecruitable townies, it's safe to assume cult always convert someone, and game will turn in chaos mess on day 2 already.
Flea was a wagon early on and still has a vote on them.
Absolutely agree with this. It's actual proof that no thought was put into who was being attacked. They just grabbed every name that could fit the profile.In post 164, Umlaut wrote:Lol did MM actually include the co-mod on his list of suspects? Can't believe I missed that, it's self-defensive "please yeet anyone but me" finger-pointing if ever I saw it.
What makes Flea convenient?In post 209, T3 wrote:It seems like Major minor basically just chose the most convenient wagon to vote for.
I'm getting a slight scumread on T3. I do think Major is much scummier though. I just don't want him at E-1 yet.
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??...….… WhyIn post 256, Enchant wrote:random.org never lies
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Probably right, but I disagree on the T3 part.In post 273, Umlaut wrote:Kind of think the solve is just {Major Minor, T3}-
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I posted that when I hadn't seen enchants claims. Then I unvoted.In post 344, Raya36 wrote:
What's done is done but I don't think claiming this was as beneficial to town as it was to scum.In post 303, Enchant wrote:
I planned to do that anyway, that's reason why i asked what you mind about it. I see this as not bad way.In post 301, Umlaut wrote:Uhhhh wtf
You had, what, two votes on you? This was completely unnecessary.
Definitely keeping my vote on you. Enchant claimed PR, unless you think they're gambiting?
Agreed, this would be one of the worst fakeclaims scum could do.,In post 332, Umlaut wrote: I'm looking over the setup matrix now and every possibility has at least one role who could counter a fake Rolestopper claim, so barring a cc we should believe it.-
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Enchants pr claim felt like a scum cop out claim earlier. Like that's the kind of thing I would do as scum in ENchants situation there.In post 346, Raya36 wrote:You posted that after the general PR claim but before the rolestopper claim-
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That's what I'm saying at the time it felt like a scummy thing because they didn't need to.In post 352, Raya36 wrote:
Enchant only had 2 votes at the time if I recall correctly. I don't think scum would feel enough pressure to fake claim like that.In post 348, T3 wrote:
Enchants pr claim felt like a scum cop out claim earlier. Like that's the kind of thing I would do as scum in ENchants situation there.In post 346, Raya36 wrote:You posted that after the general PR claim but before the rolestopper claim-
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Honestly I don't know of anyone better at this point to vote.In post 378, Marky Mark wrote:
Seeing as you're online T3 and I'm already nudging people to actually answer my questions...In post 340, Marky Mark wrote:
Why Major?In post 334, T3 wrote:UNVOTE: ench
VOTE: major
Putting votes on separate lines for readability.
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In post 519, Enchant wrote:Eh. Yes, i hear.
Not sure how it help town right now, unless you somehow murder cult with police.-
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Yes.In post 561, Marky Mark wrote:Yeah, will have to park that one and revisit tomorrow. If anyone hasn't stated their position on Major (I think most have tbf) it would be good to hear from people pre-flip
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I said that post in the quotes from my town POV, but Marky has no way to know I'm town.In post 634, osuka wrote:
?????In post 612, Marky Mark wrote:
This only makes sense from your POV lol - we don't know that you are townIn post 596, T3 wrote:If cop outs with an innocent and we ignore Enchant we get a pool of 5. Assuming I'm not the inno that leaves 4 people, at least 2 of which are cult.-
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Please look at the timestamps.In post 627, Raya36 wrote:I think there's just more possibilities there. Maybe someone in the cult PT told him that suggesting that was a bad idea so he retracted it. Maybe he realized it was a bad idea to say as cult, in the exact same way he would've realized it was a bad idea as town.
I thought that the other pr should out because I forgot it wasn't melo. Then I thought, hold up, what are the mechanical probabilities of getting CL if the pr outs and went and calculated it.-
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Then I do the logic and realize that yes,there are cases in which cop/tracker should out.In post 645, Raya36 wrote:
And why couldn't you have done that as scum? Or maybe is was the second option where you as scum realized that it was a scummy thing to sayIn post 638, T3 wrote:
Please look at the timestamps.In post 627, Raya36 wrote:I think there's just more possibilities there. Maybe someone in the cult PT told him that suggesting that was a bad idea so he retracted it. Maybe he realized it was a bad idea to say as cult, in the exact same way he would've realized it was a bad idea as town.
I thought that the other pr should out because I forgot it wasn't melo. Then I thought, hold up, what are the mechanical probabilities of getting CL if the pr outs and went and calculated it.-
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Umlaut, Enchant, or you would be the likely 3rd cult.In post 651, Marky Mark wrote:Let's POE this bad boy - who ISN'T likely to be CL?
Enchant almost certainly not due to un CCed claim
Flea as already mentioned was being v aggressive
Dwlee I don't think hammers end of D1 as CL as the wagon would likely have gone through anyways and it feels like uncessesary attention
That leaves Raya / T3 / Osuka / Umlaut - of these, Umlaut felt v town D1
So basically my d1 POE hasn't really changed, except that Raya/T3 have gone up a bit and Osuka has gone down a bit due to being on/off the town wagon respectively-
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Replace osuka with Raya and that's where I'm at.In post 664, Dwlee99 wrote:Flea + Marky + Osuka scumteam Osuka cult leader solve SUBMIT