Open 838 – ISITMAINAC [Endgame]

[Galron]

Beginnings... ugh

VOTE: Scorpious

[Galron]

When I visited the thread the first time you hadn't posted yet. This is my second visit and I saw Nathann's response to you mentioning "IC" so I went back to the flavour post (which I intended to read after the day had ended). (P.S. Just to be clear.. the only lie I included is what's between the parenthesis). OH, SHIT! I ALSO put that P.S, between parenthesis, so theoretically everything I said could be a LIE!

Monkey don't see; monkey don't do.

[Galron]

Cool, okay. I disagree with RCEnigma's 39, because it was claiming that a slot's first or second post being an RVS post cannot be a prolongation of RVS in a game. I disagree with that because I think it doesn't matter which post in an individual ISO it is, if there's some attempt happening to get the game moving out of RVS, and the slot chooses to do an RVS post, they're trying to prolong RVS. Therefore his dislike of my 37 is bad and he should rethink all of his life decisions.

What does this argument tell you about my alignment, now?

Oops.

[Galron]

Is that some sorta sarcasm that's going over my head, or do you genuinely think 49 is townie?

Assuming this is to me.. no, it’s not sarcasm. It read as a concerned townie post.

What do you mean by concerned townie?

[Galron]

Strange Matter/Nathann exchange is a lot of words about nothing. I need to read how experienced players are harder to read? Also, water is wet..

Also not a fan of “not knowing who IC is”…

I don't think not know who the ic is is not that big of a deal on your entry. Do you read every mod post before rvs?

[Galron]

Strange Matter/Nathann exchange is a lot of words about nothing. I need to read how experienced players are harder to read? Also, water is wet..

Also not a fan of “not knowing who IC is”…

I don't think not know who the ic is is not that big of a deal on your entry. Do you read every mod post before rvs?

It’s Bolded in Green. If you aren’t reading about the game rules and specifics, Why are you even playing?

I fumble rules/setups all the time, and sometimes it takes me a while to catch up with them. Example I don't understand how we arrived at this setup even though there is a post telling us what was done to get it. All I know is that dice were rolled.

[Galron]

Is that some sorta sarcasm that's going over my head, or do you genuinely think 49 is townie?

Assuming this is to me.. no, it’s not sarcasm. It read as a concerned townie post.

What do you mean by concerned townie?

Concerned townie post: “I’m just worried about scum *insert thing to be concerned about, but not really caring about here* “

By "not caring about here" do you mean this game or at this point in the game or something else?

[Galron]

I’m having trouble explaining, it’s like(again this is my poor attempt at describing) someone pointing out something others should be wary of but most people instinctvly think it.but more in just passing and not making it a “thing”.

“If we don’t lynch someone today that helps scum” is an example. I’m just at work and my brain is fried and I’m struggling for a good explanation here.

That helps but I would qualify it as NAI.

[Galron]

I think a game that is played with mere words and one that can be swayed by simple semantics demands that all
Participants be versed in the text rules of the text based game.

My immediate thoughts go to someone opening a scum role and not caring because you “already know” and really can’t be assed to “figure the game out”.

That’s my thinking behind it.

That's fair but again NAI. I think scum do need to know the mechanics and may actually be more prone to go through them, at least good scum, but maybe only slightly so.

[Galron]

I think a game that is played with mere words and one that can be swayed by simple semantics demands that all
Participants be versed in the text rules of the text based game.

My immediate thoughts go to someone opening a scum role and not caring because you “already know” and really can’t be assed to “figure the game out”.

That’s my thinking behind it.

That's fair but again NAI. I think scum do need to know the mechanics and may actually be more prone to go through them, at least good scum, but maybe only slightly so.

Slightly ai that is.

[Galron]

RH9, who's scum?

[Galron]

RH9, who's scum?

IDK but StrangeMatter's strangely focused on STD. It's getting on my nerves and since it's way past RVS.
UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

Why not a vote there then?

[Galron]

I’m leaning town on Scorpius.

Can you elaborate on that because I wasn't then I was then I wasn't and now I think I am. I want to hear someone else's analysis to help me think that through.

[Galron]

Greetings, do you have any actual thoughts on people's alignments? Same question to Scorpious, actually.

I have two, maybe not

per se

about alignments.

Not_Mafia

is a jester and I know that from another game I've been in with them. Plus, they were scum in this game. But we apparently also have a second jester, who seems really more invested in distractions and diversions and not the actual game.

I'm really, really distrustful of jesters.

And that is, VOTE: Save The Dragons. Until they show me otherwise.

This seems to me a lazy vote. You are or are not scum reading him or are you just waiting for him to town tell?

[Galron]

I have more experience with STD than Salsa if that’s what you mean.

This sounds interesting out of context.

I'd say it sounds hilarious actually.

[Galron]

Greetings, do you have any actual thoughts on people's alignments? Same question to Scorpious, actually.

I have two, maybe not

per se

about alignments.

Not_Mafia

is a jester and I know that from another game I've been in with them. Plus, they were scum in this game. But we apparently also have a second jester, who seems really more invested in distractions and diversions and not the actual game.

I'm really, really distrustful of jesters.

And that is, VOTE: Save The Dragons. Until they show me otherwise.

This seems to me a lazy vote. You are or are not scum reading him or are you just waiting for him to town tell?

Err.. that was a lazy reading job on my part. You think STD is a jester?

[Galron]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think there is a jester in this game.

[Galron]

More votes on Scorpious please

[Galron]

For the record, I don't have a problem with my post being interpreted as "Galron trying to be townread", since that is more or less what I meant. It seems like he's trying to ask the right questions, but it's just not... quite there.

As to how RH9 saw that being similar to his play in another game where he was scum, then decided the plays aren't the same, and then still townreads Galron is beyond me. RH9, why is Galron town?

Galron isn't talking mechanics and seems less opportunistic.

How does that add to me being town?

[Galron]

I am most familiar with Almost50 and Galron. No, I do not feel pinged by them at this moment.

What can I do to ping you, Cupcake?

[Galron]

I’m leaning town on Scorpius.

Can you elaborate on that because I wasn't then I was then I wasn't and now I think I am. I want to hear someone else's analysis to help me think that through.

Please explain who’s analysis brought you from here to this:

More votes on Scorpious please

Because I'm waffling on you and I want to know what everyone else thinks of you.

[Galron]

Also, tbf, the pressure on people getting accurate reads on page 9, D1 one of the game doesn't really convince me it's the right way forward. I am getting a lot of neutral reads, and I can say that it's happened to me in other games on this site before, even far later than page 9. I'm not going to force a townlean or a scumlean from myself out of nothing.

If we're not going to pressure people, we're not going to get anywhere. That's not asking you to force a read, that's squeezing players to make them readable.

[Galron]

Just like me asking RH9 why he thinks I'm town because he thinks I'm playing differently than the last time we played.

[Galron]

So what's your read on Scorpious, Greeting? And if you don't have one, what will it take to get you to have one?

[Galron]

I’m leaning town on Scorpius.

Can you elaborate on that because I wasn't then I was then I wasn't and now I think I am. I want to hear someone else's analysis to help me think that through.

Please explain who’s analysis brought you from here to this:

More votes on Scorpious please

Because I'm waffling on you and I want to know what everyone else thinks of you.

What has you waffling? What do you want to know? Ask me, I’m obviously active.



This is a very strange progression from you with little to no catalyst.

You're giving a lot of information about your past play and how you're having trouble acclimating to this game. What would it take to get you to where you want to be>?

[Galron]

inb4 some says I'm responding to pressure

[Galron]

I ask nobody gives a read on me until Galron answers this:

Galron, please explain what has you waffling on me,I’d like you to answer this without the ability to use another’s thoughts.

And as stated, if you’re not clear on something, please asked me.

As I said, what is preventing you from getting into this game? You seem very uncomfortable and out of your element (not skill wise, comfort wise)

[Galron]

So what's your read on Scorpious, Greeting? And if you don't have one, what will it take to get you to have one?

It's neutral. There is nothing that worries me and nothing that makes me think that they're town.

Post 208 can be interpreted in various ways. I'm choosing to interpret it as a good way to find some harder clues on anybody, but I keep it in the back of my mind to see which way the game will progress from this. What I mean is, only time will tell if overreliance on meta turns this game into a bizarre twist. But so far, the progress has been quite slow, and the impact of this post has been small, even though 13 hours passed since that post was made. The only player whom I really feel like I can compare-check, knowing them from past games is

StrangeMatter

, but I still think it's too early for me to draw any definite conclusions (see post 218).

I understand that you're relatively new here so like with the jester thing I want to make sure I understand you. What do you mean by bizarre twist?

[Galron]

I ask nobody gives a read on me until Galron answers this:

Galron, please explain what has you waffling on me,I’d like you to answer this without the ability to use another’s thoughts.

And as stated, if you’re not clear on something, please asked me.

As I said, what is preventing you from getting into this game? You seem very uncomfortable and out of your element (not skill wise, comfort wise)

Please elaborate,(I appreciate the quip btw). Where I have I shown a level of discomfort?

It’s just very audacious to implore for votes on someone before even presenting a logical reason to do so.

It reads as shoddy town play at best and very snicklefritzy at worst.

Take your post asking for players to give their experiences with other players. That seems to me either someone blindfolded in a crowd or someone, as you would say, snicklefritzy. As it stands, I don't know that you're in the latter camp, but I'm reading you at face value just like you're reading me. We don't have meta on each other, which is good I'd say. Relying on meta is too easy to hide behind and doesn't necessarily give you good reads. And I'm not sure how getting people to talk about you is shoddy town play exactly, but that may be a different discussion and I don't want to distract.

[Galron]

I think we're on the same page, Greeting.

[Galron]

I'm going to get some work done.

[Galron]

i think galron's town

Enlighten me?

i played a game where galron just asked banal questions and was scum

i played another game where galron was actually invested and played kinda more like this and was ubertown

Galron, I’m regards to your 241.

How do you feel about this?

Sounds earnest and I'll take the TR, but I don't necessarily like how he arrived at it. Or at least how I think he arrived at it.

[Galron]

What does 266 even mean??

I forgot that the SK could exist.

I guess I'm having trouble how SK relates.

[Galron]

What does 266 even mean??

I forgot that the SK could exist.

I guess I'm having trouble how SK relates.

*trouble understanding

[Galron]

i think galron's town

Enlighten me?

i played a game where galron just asked banal questions and was scum

i played another game where galron was actually invested and played kinda more like this and was ubertown

Galron, I’m regards to your 241.

How do you feel about this?

Sounds earnest and I'll take the TR, but I don't necessarily like how he arrived at it. Or at least how I think he arrived at it.

That goes for RH9's read also.

[Galron]

What does 266 even mean??

I was just about to ask that exact question myself as well lol.

This is a weird pop-in. Do you have any thoughts on the current conversations?

[Galron]

Guys, I'm not doing anything. Why am I not being voted nor even pressured?? After all, I nam NOT the IC, y'know.

VOTE: Almost50
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Day after day it reappears
Night after night my heartbeat, shows the fear

[Galron]

Day after day it reappears
Night after night my heartbeat, shows the fear

Galron is Town by day & Scum by night

Love it when memes transcend.

[Galron]

I do think that cupcake, whom I'm pocketing according to ADSE, is likely town. His thought processes look like they're coming from exactly what he says, a newer player. The mixup about the jester had a genuine feel, and his probing of Scorpious (205,271) gave out some good data, like Scorpious withholding information and his own thought process (ofc Nathann kind of confirmed that this was what Scorpious was doing, see 324, but greeting instigated it).

STD is null town.

Scorpious I'm slightly leaning scum for the very reasons cupcake brought out. In looking through his ISO, he's not leveraging the I haven't played mafia in a long time thing as much as I thought, but asking for meta on everyone in 208 really stuck out for some reason.

[Galron]

I do think that cupcake, whom I'm pocketing according to ADSE, is likely town. His thought processes look like they're coming from exactly what he says, a newer player. The mixup about the jester had a genuine feel, and his probing of Scorpious (205,271) gave out some good data, like Scorpious withholding information and his own thought process (ofc Nathann kind of confirmed that this was what Scorpious was doing, see 324, but greeting instigated it).

STD is null town.

Scorpious I'm slightly leaning scum for the very reasons cupcake brought out. In looking through his ISO, he's not leveraging the I haven't played mafia in a long time thing as much as I thought, but asking for meta on everyone in 208 really stuck out for some reason.

Wait, not cupcake, greeting is who I meant. I have them transposed in my mind.

[Galron]

OK. I just think that your scumhunting felt more Town than SK.

...What about it felt more town than SK? How does one's scumhunting even feel SK-like?

IDK. It's just vibes.

Now that Nathann has answered, I want to explore this a little more. "Just vibes" can you talk about that more? In practice there shouldn't be difference should there?

[Galron]

Three/A50
Jacket/Salsa

Just want this in my ISO

[Galron]

Please elucidate, RH9.

[Galron]

Three, there is one train of logic to help you read me.

I have pushed 2/4 of your scumreads. Do you believe a bus has occurred from me?

I read this and thought, "Where are one and two?"

Thank you for 442. I just want to dive into it or something.

[Galron]

VOTE: ADSE

Are we going to get an explanation?

Should I provide one?

Their latest reply did not satisfy me.

Are you talking about 387?

[Galron]

Greeting I think it would be a good idea if you would give us some of those reads you said you had. It would probably help move the game along.

[Galron]

Scorpious, highlight what you want to quote and then hit the quote button.

[Galron]

Actually, no. 332

They proposed you were town because you were too abrasive in some posts (which I'd argue not but that's less important here). 294

17 minutes later, votes you. 296

And then 5 more minutes pass, they propose that you are pocketing Greeting when they've not even interacted with your posts on Greeting, or Greeting themselves. 298

The progression reads as fabricated because the first post is to base one quote off of. Furthermore, there's no rationale for what actually is abrasive and how that contains town-motivation, so it's filler.

There's no context between that and them actually voting you, and from what the following rationale is, it's based on your interaction with one player... but why can't Galron/Greeting be scum theatre? Pocketing isn't solely a scum tactic, so why can't it be town?

It reads like a TMI or protection of either you or Greeting.

Finally, to suggest that there is no relation by inquiry feels like a deflection from the question. All of their posts here were about you, Galron, and yet when asked on the progression of otherwise contradicting viewpoints, they have nothing to provide.

Being Mafia is a likely explanation for this behavior.

I get this. What do you think of that post where they say that yes they are lurking? It seems almost tstbs.

[Galron]

@Cook VC please?
Thank you in advance.

Why are you holding on to your vote?

Also, Jacket, why the unvote?

[Galron]

You should know. Galron voted you in D6 for it. I don't want to be misread or misinterpreted. I want the truth to be revealed.

But RH9 you said you were afraid to sound ott defensive. When I voted Taly in that Ronald Reagan game, he sounded ott defensive, and he was, indeed, scum. Really if you're town you shouldn't be worrying about what you're sounding like.

[Galron]

You should know. Galron voted you in D6 for it. I don't want to be misread or misinterpreted. I want the truth to be revealed.

But RH9 you said you were afraid to sound ott defensive. When I voted Taly in that Ronald Reagan game, he sounded ott defensive, and he was, indeed, scum. Really if you're town you shouldn't be worrying about what you're sounding like.

And you saying you don't want to sound defensive, well it sounds defensive.

[Galron]

Incorrect, they proposed Scorpious was town for abrasiveness.

Good catch.

[Galron]

Seems like ADSE would have corrected that.

[Galron]

Pretty ballsy

[Galron]

Holy shit. That's Brittney Spears. What happened to her.

[Galron]

The entire purpose of this alt was to post as little as possible in the main thread while doing my solving in my notes PT.

It doesn't help town.

[Galron]

GG

Gj jacket and looker & strange matter. Looked did a good job of disassot with jacket.

I really wa not expecting to get chopped N1. It was a good setup and I wanted to play.

Thanks for the game Cook. Good modding.

[Galron]

Sorry for killing you Taly on N1, but I wanted to keep your streak alive. I was pretty sure you would nail me and figure out the game though.

[Galron]

This was a good plist. RCE had me shaking a couple of times on Day 1, but I thought if I eased back on the the throttle I'd be okay. And Jacket had to remind me that there wasn't a tracker.