HIIIIII EVERYONE!In post 11, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:Ahh no,furtiveglance wrote:Greeting the game. Unforgiveable.
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I HATE the greeting tell. (Sorry TTTT if your reading this)
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It's totally NAI for a whole lot of players (myself included)
Also waiting for Alianna to come online and greeting tell the thread, she does it every time.
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We'll see.In post 25, furtiveglance wrote:Alianna let me just latch onto you for a quick pocket/easy vote protection.
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AtE means Appeal to Emotion. I think furtive was referring to 19.In post 33, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
Sorry what does ATE stand for?In post 30, furtiveglance wrote:Goldfish I tried to ATE on page 1. Did it work or not?I townread Alianna.
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Yeah. Or if we get Imprison and vote correctly. There seems to be a lot of caveats with this setup.In post 38, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:Also if it's melo and we eliminate the intended nightkill we won't loose and it will Elo the next day.I townread Alianna.
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Works now. I feel personally attacked.In post 40, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
Ohhh, I've been wondering why mine isn't working.In post 37, Alianna wrote:I guess you have to enable it every time you post. That’s annoying.I townread Alianna.
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Yeah. I was just referring to the quickest way to lose. On the other hand, the quickest way to win would be to yeet both scumbags today. That would be epic.In post 34, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
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I wasn’t being serious there. It’s probably good that I constantly have to read that reminder lol.In post 44, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
I'm sorry Alianna, it's just one of my pet peeves. But you are like my favourite person on Mafiascum so I might consider changing it for you.In post 42, Alianna wrote:
Works now. I feel personally attacked.In post 40, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
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I would think so. I find it hard to believe that everyone else just remembers to check the box every time.In post 46, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:Oh wow I forgot to attach the sig is there some kind of setting to have it permanently on?I townread Alianna.
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12 players? There’s only 9.In post 49, Dunnstral wrote:
But that is just normal play, right? How does rushing through the eliminations benefit us?In post 21, Titus wrote:For scum, the odds of avoiding two wagons is hard. We can drive two people up and the choices made will be extremely useful in the future. That's the whole point of VCA.
We get two wagons, flip one. Look at the result and then decide if we want to flip the other one. The positions people take should be invaluable.
I believe the only confirmed innocent is from the inform action, which gives a permanent no nightkill to the recipient (I asked the mod, so I'm like 95% sure I get this.)
Bad idea. The game starts with 12 players so that we end up on odds with the extra elim.In post 34, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
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^In post 67, furtiveglance wrote:Am I expected to be able to meta read players I played with before? Hope not :)
I should mention, I've never played with any of the people I know as scum. I don't think I could give good meta reads either because I don't have the whole picture.I townread Alianna.
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So do I. If we disregard the possibilities of eliminating the NK target or power role shenanigans, the second option is mathematically better. Since the regular elimination is mandatory, 4 player MeLo is basically the same situation as 3 player ELo (same goes for 6p vs. 5p) - just with an extra person. It is still a game-ending situation in which the town has to vote. The extra person is a disadvantage because it brings down the town's chance of voting correctly. Assuming town vote randomly and do not vote themselves, the chance of any individual townie voting for scum is 50% in 3 or 5 player ELo, 40% in 6 player MeLo, and only 33% in 4 player MeLo. Of course, town do not vote randomly and occasionally vote themselves, but I think my point still stands. I'm open to changing my view on this, but for now I will park my vote here.In post 103, Flea The Magician wrote:
Try me.In post 93, Titus wrote:Nope. We are eliminating. Eliminations are information. That's a load of hogwash from scum looking to deny information.
VOTE: furtiveglance
You're also voting the wrong person.
9 -> 1+1:1 -> 6 Misyeet and Lose.
6 -> 1:1 > 4 Scum Partity win -or- Misyeet and lose.
4 -> 1:1 > 2 Scum Parity win.
9 -> 1:1 -> 7
7 -> 1:1 -> 5 Potential YOLO.
5 -> 1:1 -> 3 YOLO.
I much, much prefer the second option.
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I think what they're saying is that scum could deliberately shoot the bulletproof to force a no-kill if they wanted, but the wording of the Role PM implies that they can't actually do that.In post 111, Radical Rat wrote:
From the sample Role PM. Scum will not be shooting the bulletproof, who is separate from the Informed person, who is separate from the Imprisoned person.In post 1, MegAzumarill wrote:-Inform, Choose a player alongside this. You can no longer kill the chosen player, ever.
So I still don't really understand what it is you're saying here.I townread Alianna.
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I don't think there's a good reason for scum to risk BPing themselves. I asked the mod and they told me you won't be informed if you get BPed, so I'm assuming it won't ever be publicly announced. If the person voted to be informed is scum, they can just fake an inno on their buddy anyway.In post 89, Cat.Jpeg wrote:With the inform ability, the first vote of the day is what determines who is informed, not a majority. So the mafia could bulletproof one of themselves? (can they) and then vote for themselves as soon as day starts so no one knows the alignment. So if anyone votes quickly or for themselves if we get the inform ability (which I doubt we will anyway) that's very sus.I townread Alianna.
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In post 112, Alianna wrote:
I think what they're saying is that scum could deliberately shoot the bulletproof to force a no-kill if they wanted, but the wording of the Role PM implies that they can't actually do that.In post 111, Radical Rat wrote:
From the sample Role PM. Scum will not be shooting the bulletproof, who is separate from the Informed person, who is separate from the Imprisoned person.In post 1, MegAzumarill wrote:-Inform, Choose a player alongside this. You can no longer kill the chosen player, ever.
So I still don't really understand what it is you're saying here.@mod, can the scum force a no-kill by shooting the bulletproof?I townread Alianna.
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Oof, ok. Thank you for clarifying!In post 118, MegAzumarill wrote:In post 117, Alianna wrote:In post 112, Alianna wrote:
I think what they're saying is that scum could deliberately shoot the bulletproof to force a no-kill if they wanted, but the wording of the Role PM implies that they can't actually do that.In post 111, Radical Rat wrote:
From the sample Role PM. Scum will not be shooting the bulletproof, who is separate from the Informed person, who is separate from the Imprisoned person.In post 1, MegAzumarill wrote:-Inform, Choose a player alongside this. You can no longer kill the chosen player, ever.
So I still don't really understand what it is you're saying here.@mod, can the scum force a no-kill by shooting the bulletproof?YesI townread Alianna.
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Why do you find Cat scummy?In post 145, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Cat.Jpeg
I can only realistically vote for players who are already voting to no-elim if I want to get an elimination. This is the scummiest player doing so.I townread Alianna.
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I don't consider indecisiveness or lack of strong opinions to be a scumtell. Townies have to re-evaluate their opinions as they factor in new information. "Jumping around" is only scummy if it's done in a way that seems artificial. Either way, it's irrelevant, because Cat isn't doing that.I townread Alianna.
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Can confirm we are not a scumteam.In post 151, Cat.Jpeg wrote:
She's definitely trying to make you think she's town and she probably thinks you are town. I doubt that you two are a scumteam but individually for her im not sure yet. She is probably hyper aware of what I will read her for so it will be tricky, probably easier in day 2 tho.In post 147, Alianna wrote:Also, @Cat and Goldie, what are your thoughts on each other so far?
My read on her, like on everybody else, is pure null. I have some vibes from a couple of people, but no real evidence. Idk if it's just me, but it feels like this game has gotten off to a really slow start.I townread Alianna.
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Can you elaborate on this?In post 160, Flea The Magician wrote:
And yet I feel you should have more visible reads ...In post 157, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:There has mostly just been analysis of game mechanics and a lot of it is NAII townread Alianna.
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In post 175, furtiveglance wrote:
1) To suggest I am acting disingenously is very offensive and slander. I am pointing out the situation, which is that I am the only player with any votes. So a pivot isn't gonna happen now, even if I wanted one.In post 172, Dunnstral wrote:Acting like the only choices are you or no eliminate is disingenuous
2) I don't want to eliminate. For the very simple reason that town always get voted day 1.
Agreed with all of this.In post 176, furtiveglance wrote:
This is blatantly accusing me of being mafia. I strongly object to this gross mischaracterisation of my valid viewpoint. I think what you're suggesting is that 2 dead town is better than 1 dead town today because we'd get more 'information' and 'data' - I already explained how these buzzwords are a common tool of the mafia to further their agenda.In post 173, Titus wrote:
That's because he doesn't want something. He wants the game to stagnate and have no information.In post 172, Dunnstral wrote:Acting like the only choices are you or no eliminate is disingenuous
Someone should die tonight. If we had any real discussion whatsoever then we'd at least have data from someone who mafia thought was skilled town.
Does no one else think this post is incredibly scummy? It's outright telling someone else that I'm scum.I townread Alianna.
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Also, there are four people on the no-lim wagon at present. Titus has only accused furtive. Obviously, we can't all be scum, but I find it fishy that there are three others (four if you count Malcolm) pushing much the same ideas and she singled out one.I townread Alianna.
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Sorry, I put that vaguely. If Titus is scum, which is likely, then the 172-173 interaction doesn't look like a scumteam to me. I can't quite explain why, so maybe I'm totally wrong. If she's not scum, I have no idea. So I guess it doesn't quite clear them. I didn't really think too hard before posting 178.In post 180, furtiveglance wrote:
I don't understand. Do you think Dunnstral is definitely town for some reason? If so why?In post 178, Alianna wrote:I also think 173 clears Dunnstral, as much of a strawman as 172 was.I townread Alianna.
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I don’t know anymore. I was mostly townreading you because you were advancing the game and I agreed with your sus on Titus.In post 195, furtiveglance wrote:Alianna do you think I'm town?
You seem to be playing slightly differently than the last two games (in general, not just recently), but then again, so am I. I’m probably going to do some meta research tomorrow.
191 and 193 have not convinced me you’re town. No further comment.
Could you explain why you asked me this question? This and 25 give me the impression that you really want me to TR you.
Please pardon my late-night stream of consciousness posting.I townread Alianna.
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It's not actually at E-1 anymore since I unvoted, but I'm probably going to put my vote back there very shortly.In post 221, MalcolmTucker wrote:
As I've said I'm very much on the no-elimination train here, I'm just not hammering yet because I want to clarify where everyone stands, I'm just very wary of your suggestion here you've basically caught both scum early on easily because they want to go for two eliminations. If such an approach works it's clearly got the support of townies too.In post 219, furtiveglance wrote:You should back me, it will pay off handsomely.I townread Alianna.
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I forgot I don't actually know how to check the math. I think the numbers kind of make sense though?
Still, I don't think the odds are as good as they look. If we shoot twice today, there's a pretty decent chance that we will have to make a game-deciding vote tomorrow with an expanded pool of people and little info from the eliminated people or the NK.
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Also, we have less than 2 days on the deadline. I don't feel like we've got enough info at this point or enough time left to come to a good consensus.I townread Alianna.
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Could you please point out where furtive said that? They've been pushing for a no-lim all game.In post 238, Radical Rat wrote:What IS scummy is furtive starting out by saying we SHOULD use the double elimination, in a scummy fashion even, then turning around and pushing hard against it as soon as the possibility it might be him getting eliminated appeared.I townread Alianna.
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It's not most likely, it's just under 40%. I'm not going to talk about the other numbers because any elimination we make now might as well be random. And I suppose there's the chance we eliminate the NK target, but we can't bank on that.In post 252, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:I'm torn over whether or not to hammer no-lim.
Originally I definitely intended to but Dunnstrals maths was fairly convincing, and even considering that some of it might be wrong it made me think more about it, and I think the most likely situation is we end up eliminating one town and one scum, which isn't bad.I townread Alianna.
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If I'm not mistaken, it means Explain Like I'm 5.In post 292, Cat.Jpeg wrote:
I think regardless of if we get a furtive flip that post was useful, this game has some interesting possiblities in which we can gain information without having to eliminate. It also helped me wrap my head around this confusing game. Idk what ELI5 means but right now I unapologetically town read furtive, its not a strong town read and if we get some actual reasons they are mafia other that 'being too defensive' (which yes can be scummy but town do it too, especially furtive) then i think their partner is goldfish.In post 276, Flea The Magician wrote:
So the weird thing here for me is you're hunting associatives without a flip or even confidence in pre-flip.In post 273, Cat.Jpeg wrote:Okay so I was thinking about if Furtive was scum, who would be their scumbuddy?
I think it would be pretty crazy if Dunnstral, RadicalRat, or Titus is their scumbuddy.
Malcolm Tucker I really dont think is because of 100 and 102 along with other posts
Flea I dont think is because of 209, now normally I would consider the possibility of them being a scumbuddy but who doesn't want to go down with furtive so they decide its better to add some pressure to distance themselves but not straight up scum read but this post and the reasons used really dont feel like a scum buddy interaction.
Alianna 196, slightly less sure but also dont think this is scumbuddy behaviour.
Lastly there's Goldfish who i feel could be a possible scumbuddy, the RVS vote for Furtive coulda been orchestrated. She also was the only one who put basically no pressure on furtive, I will admit tho, I myself didnt say very much against them.
Ofc this all only matters if furtive is scum, but I dont know if I want to vote them soon and find out so oh well.
I could spend 5 hrs doing this ^ for everyone so if we find one mafia we will instantly know the other (because my assumptions are definitely always right) but im tired and also i dont think doing this will be as clear cut for other people and things might change but i thought this was worth it in case the furtive wagon rolls on into elim phase.
Basically what im saying is if furtive is scum goldfish would prolly be a good vote, if goldfish is town i think furtive is too?
(also just in case i get night killed, which i feel like i wont, i dont think Goldfish would wanna kill me night 1 (and its okay for me to say this because they cant change their minds) though she could probably be persuaded idk)
Whats your read on Furtive currently? ELI5.I townread Alianna.
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Alright, time to throw some reads out there so I can cringe at them in the postgame.
Flea The Magician
Flea basically led the no-lim wagon. I doubt that scum would advocate so strongly against a double elim when (a) doing so is statistically in their favour, and (b) town can’t really scumread them just for pushing a double elim.
Dunnstral
I thought some of their posts earlier in the day were based in moon logic, but I actually TR it because I’d think scum!Dunnstral would have talked over/clarified a lot of the mech stuff in scum chat.
In addition, there’s the stuff I talked about in 181.
MalcolmTucker
Light TR for now. I don’t have much for specific evidence but I don’t think they’ve done anything sus yet and I would not vote for them today.
GoldfishFromTheMoon
Also a light TR. 184 strikes me as town, not so sure about the walk-back in 252 but Goldfish said in a previous game that indecisiveness is a towntell for her.
I might have a better read after she follows through on her promise to do ISOs.
Cat.Jpeg
I don’t have a read on Cat right now. I don’t feel like they’ve done anything really AI.
Radical Rat
Their mech spec was decent, despite disagreement.
104 causes me to raise an eyebrow.
I’d like to hear explanations for the reads in 281.
furtiveglance
I have flip-flopped back and forth a hundred times on this slot.
furtive’s entrance was very jokingly scummy (scummier than mine, I am ironically ashamed of myself), but it seemed to be in a different way from the previous games I’ve played with them. It’s not something I can really explain, but I guess part of it is that the tone seemed a little more insecure (25, 30)? I’m not sure that it means anything though.
130 is basically admitting to OMGUS.
I didn’t have any issues with 167 like I remember someone else having.
175, 176, 191, 193 gets interesting. Very AtE-ish.
“Alianna do you think I’m town?” is about the most suspicious thing furtive could have said afterwards. It reads like they were desperately searching for me to TR them.
I could still see this all coming from town, but idk. I’ve got my eye on you.
Titus
It’s hard to get a very good read on Titus because she hasn’t posted much, but based on what she has posted, I’m putting her as a scumlean.
173 comes off manipulative.
I explained in 179 that I found it weird that Titus was only pushing one person on the no-lim wagon. I guess two since 93 was apparently directed at both Flea and furtive. If Titus is indeed scum, I would speculate that both her partner and the N1 target were voting to no-lim. That potentially implicates Cat.
Though I think both Titus and furtive are sus, I think it’s unlikely they’re the team.I townread Alianna.
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I thought it might explain her strange associatives with the people on the no-lim wagon. She might have had reasons to call some of us information-denying scum and not mention others. That was, as I said, just me speculating though.In post 301, Radical Rat wrote:
Why does Titus's alignment affect what the N1 target might do? I get that her and a partner may want to split their opinion so as not to seem aligned, but the N1 target wouldn't be privy to that at all.In post 299, Alianna wrote:I would speculate that both her partner and the N1 target were voting to no-lim.I townread Alianna.
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Can confirm I like to make statements that don't really make sense.In post 331, furtiveglance wrote:Alianna seems town to me. They like to make statements like X's flip would give info on Y, even when it doesn't really make sense. I scumread them for it previously.I townread Alianna.
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Have you even tried to see a world in which I say that as town?In post 354, Titus wrote:
No town would have their position. SR on me sure. SR on furtiveglance ok. There's no way anyone believes SS so a defense turns into not a team but individual, which is an excuse to try and keep the game static.In post 351, Dunnstral wrote:
But you originally called them scum because they had you both as scum together. But they don't, and now you're saying they're keeping their options open instead.In post 327, Titus wrote:
Right. A is keeping their options open.In post 303, Dunnstral wrote:In post 299, Alianna wrote:Though I think both Titus and furtive are sus, I think it’s unlikely they’re the team.
How are their reads different from town who is giving a reads list?I townread Alianna.
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That is correct.In post 356, furtiveglance wrote:Firstly, Alianna said that me and Titus were both 'sus'. Not that we had exactly one scum in.I townread Alianna.
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Nope, just uninformed.In post 327, Titus wrote:
Right. A is keeping their options open.In post 303, Dunnstral wrote:In post 299, Alianna wrote:Though I think both Titus and furtive are sus, I think it’s unlikely they’re the team.I townread Alianna.
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Titus' entire scumcase on me is based on the fact that I found two players individually suspicious despite thinking that they are not a team. Though I have little experience with mafia, I am under the impression that this is not an unusual thing for town to think. So it makes no sense to me that I'm being hard-scumread for it.
VOTE: Titus
This is explicitly not an OMGUS vote. It's just getting harder and harder to believe that the scumread on me and posts like 93 and 173 are just overconfidence.I townread Alianna.
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