Open 856: Deputy cultists (Game over)
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We find 2 cultists in 4 people. That kind of info is always a net positiveIn post 100, Cat.Jpeg wrote:
If 3 people claim the only way we can tell who is the cultist is to eliminate one of them them, but 2 out of 3 of them will be telling the truth and we will likely kill a Vengeful townie. Even if we hit the prime cultist it doesn't help us. We could opt to not eliminate them but what if the cultist claiming is the leader?In post 98, RH9 wrote:Got that.
Thanks, Enchant.
By the way, what happens if there ends up being more than 2 Vengeful claims?
I think we would have to kill all of them. Luckily because of the Vengeful townie power it would only take one phase. If we hit one of the vengeful townies they could kill one of the other people who claimed and we would know who the liar was although we might have one Vengeful townie kill the other which would suck. If we hit the cultist then yay if leader, eh if prime cultist.
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I think BBT is town lightly but I don't think their argument is correct. It just feels like they misinterpreted the situation.
I don't think the push was from a scum intention.
I did have some stuff to say about Enchant but its a moot point now anyway.
Way too early solve: CL is in Titus, Bellaphant, furtiveglanceHas your voice been truly locked away?
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Theres nothing stopping their own judgement. Cult will be influential if it is decided by majority but rhen again commonly scumread players will likely die amyway.
Theres value in both but I think the best course of action currently is just to not lim vengefuls as sinple as it is.Has your voice been truly locked away?
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This is a bad take.In post 207, furtiveglance wrote:I think Beat pairs with RH9, they've scumread first me, then Bellaphant who mentioned finding RH9 sus.Has your voice been truly locked away?
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There is also the route where we let cult recruit because then if we kill the recruit we delay cult victory a day.
VOTE: Bellaphant
I'll think about it more it. currently I am ill IRL so I probably wont be on too much. (or maybe I will be on more, who knows)Has your voice been truly locked away?
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You feel especially non confrontational as well as not feeling particularly pressured.In post 248, Bellaphant wrote:Yeah, that's what I thought. But what's optimal?
Not in terms of claims, like I clearly am not that girl, but in terms of scum hunting - coz surely the non leader cultists almost want to be elimed, so that recruit can happen?
So we are looking for someone scummy but not too scum y? Even though in a normal game it's maybe worth elim-ing like...korina, as they could well be 'scum'? Or not? In trying to work out how associatives work too.
@enchant, can you explain more about cultists making the leader look good?
@beat, cool, I've asked you to explain your reads twice already. I work a lot better 1 on 1, so please chat things through with me.
Effectively you are playing how I would expect the Cult Leader to play.Has your voice been truly locked away?
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I dont like this post, it feels like trying to delegate an elim to an inactive slot.In post 347, Bellaphant wrote:I also find your push on nathaan and me weird. Like, you've decided that cult 'play like x' but I think nathaan is townie, then you've shoved me in the same slots as korina and Titus who've posted a lot less content than me. Like, there's a solid 5ish players that have between 30-41 posts, and then only you above that.
I think you might be jumping at shadows? I don't think scum leader bbt has this many casual bad takes.Has your voice been truly locked away?
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???In post 356, Korina wrote:I still think killing the vengefuls today are good, because it stops the double-lim from going to cult
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EBWOPIn post 363, Beat wrote:Voting outside of there gives us basically confirmed 3 not CL and a chance of winning outright.
I dont think its (limming inside of venge claims)the move todayHas your voice been truly locked away?
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This doesnt make senseIn post 390, Korina wrote:
Cult recruits a vengefulIn post 359, Beat wrote:
???In post 356, Korina wrote:I still think killing the vengefuls today are good, because it stops the double-lim from going to cult
Explain this
They kill a prime cultist
Enchant govern-kills the vengeful d4
Cult wins
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Spoiler: Notable interactions of Bella, Cat, and Nathann
The three musketeers at work.
Cat.jpeg and Bellaphant work with each other through a majority of the game. Cat.jpeg encourages bad mech plays which isn't anything definitive, except the buddy/buddyness with Bella. Cat has notable instances of discrediting ideas or players as well as Bella ends up not contributing a lot and mainly plays defensive of cat and bella. Their only real 'push' is an OMGUS and most of the rest of their play appears like obfuscation rather than curiosity or 'solviness' They play to keep certain players alive which I think has high CL equity.
Nathann is the mostl iekly wrong here but notably is closer to the other two in townreads earlier on (before they may have decided who will claim vengeful) and drops most mention of the others after that point. It reeks of distancing but I can't find Nathann's role in cults plan (and if this is the team there is a particular direction they are guiding the game towards) except perhaps as a foil/distancing.
I think most of the [abridged] ISO speaks for itself but if any part of it escapes you as to hwy I bring it up just say so. I will be back before deadline but this is why I want to elim bellaphant, and I haven't seen stronger cases on anyone else yet.Has your voice been truly locked away?
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In post 414, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:Note: if a majority is not reaced by the deadline, the player with the most votes will be eliminated. If multiple wagons are tied for the most votes one will be randomly chosen.Has your voice been truly locked away?
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Theres some evidence of a coordinated effort to convince town to not do the mechanically optimal play.In post 420, Bellaphant wrote:@beat, that just seems like a lot of associations before a flip. Or that you've just got through three Isos and added a quote whenever we mention each others name -;there's no analysis of what's happening. Cats has just said they town read me and Nathann has told me the pro town thing to do is vote him! Also, even though I'm confused as to why Nathann being town is controversial, would scum (especially cl!Bella) just ride on others' scum read of him? If I'm cult and he's town, great - he is dead and might venge another town! If he's cult, cult get another recruit!
I'll take another look at cat.
P-edit maybe not.
Also if I am wrong it ends with one miselim and I can reevaluate.
Unless you want to champion a counter wagon?Has your voice been truly locked away?
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1. no you haven't
2. You probably shouldn't be confirming the mod correspondance and should just reply via pmHas your voice been truly locked away?
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"During night phase, which follows Prime Cultist death or no-elimination, you may attempt to recruit somebody to the Cult."In post 2, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:Setup information
This is the setup wiki page: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... y_Cultists, read it.
Possible alignments arecultandtown. Town wins when the cult leader is eliminated and cult wins when they achieve parity with the town or nothing can prevent this from happening.
The full setup/roles are:
1 Cult Leader
2 Prime Cultists
1 D4 Governor
2 Vengeful townies
5 Vanilla townies
If a prime cultist dies the cult leader may recruit a new cultist during the night phase, if no prime cultists die, or if there is a no elimination, the night phase is skipped.
Recruited cultists will flip both their recruited cultist flip and their original role pm.
Full role PM's:
Spoiler: Vanilla townie
Spoiler: Vengeful townie
Spoiler: D4 Governor
Spoiler: Cult leader
Spoiler: Prime Cultist
Spoiler: Recruited Cultist
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I was keeping the information to myself in the instance that I was converted. If I knew that governor can force no lim (which feels unintended why would I have asked the mod (And the mod confirms someone asked) Additionally without telling cult everyone knows this they could recruit enchant and we would take cults numbers down today if we elimmed enchant.
Honestly elimming me prolongs the game to another day so i dont particularly disagree though Id obviously prefer pimming cl.
Furtiveglance is cult.
Jacket is cult.
Korina and BBT are not cult.Has your voice been truly locked away?
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Do you think Bella is part of the cult?In post 757, furtiveglance wrote:People are thinking about this game in the wrong way. CL is'n't necessarily someone widely townread, just someone who will never get voted because cultists refuse to vote for them.Has your voice been truly locked away?
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Ill give you three guessesIn post 762, Nathann wrote:Beat, who do you think is the Cult Leader?Has your voice been truly locked away?
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I mean I'm not as convinced because bella has acted slightly better since but it can easily be scum.
The fact in 23 pages you've done so little to alleviate it is a count against because instead of 8 pages of basis theres more info and little of it dissuades me.Has your voice been truly locked away?
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If jacket is town then every single cultist voted your counter wagon. I do think jacket is scum though. 2/3 is still a bad lookIn post 497, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:Has your voice been truly locked away?
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I mean.... thats not really something town should be prioritising.In post 776, Bellaphant wrote:Catjpeg was a last minute scramble at deadline, people voted even after the hammer was in. You passing it off as a normal wagon is just really Sus.
I've been fairly straightforward with my play -I've got townreads, I sorted the vig claims, I argued for takes that weren't popular at the end of day one (would cl bother?). I'm not sure what you want from me? Because you won't make a case, and when you did actually make some points against me, 2/3 of them were invalid (me, cat and Nathann clearly aren't a scum team, and the theory posts that were so scummy weren't mine )
What have / you/ done apart from sit on a read for 23 pages and talk theory? Show me you try to sort ...I was going to say me, but anyone will do.
I haven't interacted with you because my read isn't based on your reads. It's because you are acting and the game is acting around you as if you are CL. I asked you about that behavior and you said you always played like that so what would I have to engage you about? You agreed you were acting like CL would. There's not a great amount of distance to move that from.
Do you think scum is more or less likely to vote CL in a time scramble than a slow wagon? My bet is on less which works against you here.Has your voice been truly locked away?
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And for the record bella, I haven't had the scumread on you the entire game.
When cat flipped town I took some time to reevaluate and ended up with the same conclusion. If I am wrong and you are town I'm sorry but this is also mafia. People will be wrong.
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I mean I cant prove I did so because it was out of thread.In post 799, Nathann wrote:
When did this happen?In post 793, Beat wrote:When cat flipped town I took some time to reevaluate and ended up with the same conclusion.Has your voice been truly locked away?
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.....In post 837, Korina wrote:So Furtive CL?Has your voice been truly locked away?
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