Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER
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no thanks, i'd rather play candy land"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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ur right
outed, maldingIn post 11, Cephrir wrote: no thanks, i'd rather play candy land"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Me in top tier on page 1? Now I really am malding"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i can't say no to good business
VOTE: ranger"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i have decided to underreact indefinitely so that voting for me ceases to be entertaining"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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im only a counterwagon because you're making me a counterwagon"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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sory redFF i guess you don't exist"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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you can't get me to townread you by restoring things to their rightful orderIn post 51, Ranger wrote: {Lady Lambdadelta}
{Save The Dragons, Gimli}
{Sail, Detective Penguin, Ethel}
{Korina, (Radical Rat, Umlaut), Cephrir}
{furtiveglance}
{redFF}"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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the secret is that everyone is kind of full of BS at this point c:In post 82, Ethel wrote: I am both confused and amazed at what you all are able to read, but I will try my best to learn this secret language so I may assist in the reading of things."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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alright, since you say i'm confusing you with someone else: can you explain why redff is scum?In post 96, Ranger wrote: Mobile readslists are a pain, and am too busy for a full one.
Have a temporary list.
{LLD, Gimli} (LLD down + Gimli up)
{Penguin*} (need to explain this)
{Nulls}{nonposters}{temporarily, the 3 I need to sort}
{redFF}
It’s obvious redFF is scum piggybacking off LLD's erroneous scumread, but I don’t expect her to realize this until I flip town. (Small chance LLD’s actually scum, since a town-LLD I'd expect to be self-aware her hard-pushing p1 warps the game, but I still think town's more likely.)
redFF is obvscum tho, cruising off an effectively free D1."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i know i should leave my vote where it is right now but there's something else i want to do with it right now. decisions"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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but penguin, that wouldn't be very wagon of me"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i don't either but i think ranger's response has been decently scummy"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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we do seem to have a live one and yet, i'm seducedIn post 126, Detective Penguin wrote: think of the wagons we could build
VOTE: umlaut"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i think she's focused pretty hard on the "confusing me with someone else" aspect and while i understand what she's getting at here, it's easier to hide behind this than to take another tack. furthermore, she accuses me of this when i haven't said anything that implied my vote has to do with who she is or isn't. i did make one post about the rightful order of things but that has never been why i was voting where im voting
also, if she wishes me to see her as someone else, then i think i get to hold her to a standard of explaining reads which i would not hold the person i'm confusing her with to, so i would like to see that"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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if i may rephrase this: "since i am confusing her with someone else,"In post 132, Cephrir wrote: also, if she wishes me to see her as someone else"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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that's fine -- i don't even think you're wrong, but i do want to have this day take more than 6 pagesIn post 137, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Look, I'm killing Ranger today.In post 122, Cephrir wrote: i know i should leave my vote where it is right now but there's something else i want to do with it right now. decisions
You can BoP me later for it if I'm wrong, but I'm not wrong."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i can be pretty reliably expected to vote anything LLD feels strongly about on page 1, and then i wasn't super thrilled by ranger's decision to decline any sort of discussion with herIn post 136, Gimli wrote:
I don't wanna get into the multiple people part of this other than to say it has to be NAI, right? and I don't think she's been heavy handed with it, surely ranger feels its important that we know she's not someone you talked with before.In post 132, Cephrir wrote: i think she's focused pretty hard on the "confusing me with someone else" aspect and while i understand what she's getting at here, it's easier to hide behind this than to take another tack. furthermore, she accuses me of this when i haven't said anything that implied my vote has to do with who she is or isn't. i did make one post about the rightful order of things but that has never been why i was voting where im voting
also, if she wishes me to see her as someone else, then i think i get to hold her to a standard of explaining reads which i would not hold the person i'm confusing her with to, so i would like to see that
what were you pushing ranger for originally? I see that you're not pushing her for having an overreaction to that 'i wont townread you just for putting things in the right order', when imo she wasn't reacting to a lean or a push, she was reacting to the familiarity in which you were approaching her."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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yes"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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she could at least try to ask or interact or case someone else or do something besides crumple up and concede"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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1) i was asked about my initial reason, which happened before those postsIn post 146, Detective Penguin wrote:
ceph not reading?In post 144, Cephrir wrote: she could at least try to ask or interact or case someone else or do something besides crumple up and concede
In post 97, Ranger wrote: Can’t properly play for another few hours, but decided to sneak some posts in.
do better wagonbuddy.In post 112, Ranger wrote: Will do precisely that in a few hours.
2) i will believe this content is forthcoming when it happens and not before"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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...good?In post 160, Gimli wrote: reminder to never self vote in a game with y'all..."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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actually that is pretty coherent and meets my standards. i'm not sure if this is AI or not but it does make me happy insideIn post 189, Ranger wrote:
Well you've given zero thoughts on any players.In post 114, redFF wrote:Is it obvious? Im not so sure...
If you're not scum you're sure doing a good job of being +scum.
Explain? Yes. Coherently to your standards? Probably not.In post 121, Cephrir wrote:alright, since you say i'm confusing you with someone else: can you explain why redff is scum?
17 was a stiff opener.
71 skips all the content prior to make a post lacking it.
73 was the fifth vote on me. Sail voted elsewhere, so it was only L-3, but it was reasonless joining the only wagon in the game--on a player I happen to know is town. If my suspicion LLD's town is correct, this action is extra-suspect because it's hiding behind a town player's push to vote town.
113 provides the justification, but continues to give no reads.
114 is the very thing LLD is accusing me of--being overdefensive.
127 is deliberately doing nothing.
redFF is blatantly coasting. That's not a guarantee of being scum. It's enough to warrant being my main scumread."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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the tiers... they'reIn post 195, Ranger wrote: {Gimli}
{Lady Lambdadelta}
{Save The Dragons, Sail}
{Detective Penguin}
{Cephrir, Korina}
{Radical Rat}
{Umlaut}
{furtiveglance | Ethel}
{redFF}
On reflection, this is where I am.
Cephrir's posts are consistently +town. He's skilled enough that doesn't guarantee town, but by feel he's +town by gut.
Similarly so for Korina.
Umlaut's the opposite. The content isn't bad, but looks 'solvey' instead ofsolving. His reads support being scum.multiplying"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i think furtive is scum too
btw if anyone tries to kill ethel today i will unhinge my jaw and swallow them whole. just a heads up"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Because I'm quite fond of her and I want her to have a nice timeIn post 218, Gimli wrote:
I agree with both of these takes atm but I wanna give furtive a lot of room to get into the game cause he can be quite the obvtown. last post he made hit his scum meta harder than an overhand thoughIn post 216, Cephrir wrote: i think furtive is scum too
btw if anyone tries to kill ethel today i will unhinge my jaw and swallow them whole. just a heads up
while I do agree killing ethel is really bad, are you defending them cause new player, cause they're towny, or something else?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Ranger, what is your stance on lying about your role as mafia? I ask because the phrasing "I act N1" does not strictly indicate alignment."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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That's true. I think we largely expect to not receive a useful answer, but that doesn't mean it's not worth asking."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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it frightens me to agree with youIn post 246, Ranger wrote:
Thinking about it, this is sadly plausible. It’s not enough to reverse my read, but redFF isn’t my strongest scumread rn.In post 231, redFF wrote:"Blatantly coasting" is town redFF
That'd be Umlaut.
I find the level of read progression, reevaluation, thought process, and reads themselves to all be lackluster. It’s been years since we played together, but I'mfairlysure he's a much better town player than his play this game indicates. He looks like he's faking his towngame, doing the necessary motions, but not putting in depth of thought."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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so do you <3In post 265, Save The Dragons wrote: Sail feels underwhelming
correct, although less so if ranger flips scum. ordinarily i would think bussing was possible but for LLD specifically in this setup specifically that seems really badIn post 266, Save The Dragons wrote: I think lld trs are premature. she might do this either alignment, at least I think so
why are we boping stdIn post 275, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Nah. She won't claim the action. She dies.In post 274, Save The Dragons wrote: Ranger acts n1
So either let her act
Or she's mafia being cheeky because mafia act n1
Either way I'm not sring you nor am I super interested in her atm
But since you are opposing a wagon without providing any content, let's have you give us a scum read you want to kill today STD.
I definitely won't BoP you on it"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 282, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
missed opportunity to respond "I think you know the answer to that, coward"In post 280, Save The Dragons wrote:
Are you going to call me a coward again if I don't?In post 275, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Nah. She won't claim the action. She dies.In post 274, Save The Dragons wrote: Ranger acts n1
So either let her act
Or she's mafia being cheeky because mafia act n1
Either way I'm not sring you nor am I super interested in her atm
But since you are opposing a wagon without providing any content, let's have you give us a scum read you want to kill today STD.
I definitely won't BoP you on it
I think you know the answer to that."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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missed opportunity to respond "I think you know the answer to that, coward"In post 282, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
I think you know the answer to that.In post 280, Save The Dragons wrote:
Are you going to call me a coward again if I don't?In post 275, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Nah. She won't claim the action. She dies.In post 274, Save The Dragons wrote: Ranger acts n1
So either let her act
Or she's mafia being cheeky because mafia act n1
Either way I'm not sring you nor am I super interested in her atm
But since you are opposing a wagon without providing any content, let's have you give us a scum read you want to kill today STD.
I definitely won't BoP you on it
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aren't you kind of admitting here that this isn't as ironclad as you're making it out to be?In post 298, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Also saying the tell gives someone ammo to defend Ranger with so why would I do that lmfao"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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is there any possibility of being the change you want to see insteadIn post 302, Gimli wrote: and I'm feeling like disengaging with this game cause I think this game is bullshit
im kind of on the fence about ranger right now and i don't think im alone in at least having significant questions"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i skimmed your first 10 posts in open 645 and am now more convinced you're scum in this gameIn post 336, Umlaut wrote: I'm not even sure we've played a game together more than briefly where I was town. The one I remember is Open 645, and before that I was killed Night 1 in Blitz 15. If we played together again after those two I forgot about it."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i think he was genuinely confusedIn post 338, Korina wrote: Idk if I misspoke or you’re making a joke, but Flea and I are two different systems lol.
I think you’re making a joke but my autism is making me think you’re being serious."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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oh, wait, you were scum in that gameIn post 339, Cephrir wrote:
i skimmed your first 10 posts in open 645 and am now more convinced you're scum in this gameIn post 336, Umlaut wrote: I'm not even sure we've played a game together more than briefly where I was town. The one I remember is Open 645, and before that I was killed Night 1 in Blitz 15. If we played together again after those two I forgot about it.
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This is part of why I'm uninterested in pursuing red at this timeIn post 349, redFF wrote: My wagon is bs see the below town games from me where i put in very little effort
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I'm afraid it gets worse than that at times and I'm sorry if I did a poor job of warning you about thisIn post 354, Ethel wrote:
I don't know if LLD read my question or not, but it doesn't look like I'll get an answer. And I couldn't find it anywhere on this forum. From what I've seen, the vast majority of messages between LLD and Ranger have just been a rather pointless and stale argument. I'm honestly rather surprised how heated this seems to have gotten, I expected these games to be a lot more... civil. At first I thought it was just a part of the game, but surely this kind of hostility isn't considered normal? Maybe this comes too late and things have already cooled down, but I just wanted to say something because this seems to have gotten out of hand for what's supposed to be a fun game...In post 219, Ethel wrote: Could you clarify why that one post convinced you of that?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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VOTE: furtiveglance"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I'm scumhunting thanks for the totally unnecessary dunkIn post 421, furtiveglance wrote:
LLD tunnel on Ranger sort of took over the day, and I found that interaction hard to readIn post 420, Detective Penguin wrote: UNVOTE:
would be happy not to believe you but meh
your day play today has been very underwhelming as town
Tried to give some reads on other players, apparently that was too surface-level and TMI
Several players are also being hypocritical.
You for instance haven't done anything extraordinary (do you ever?), and Ceph and STD are coasting as usual."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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A night 1 cop claim just makes me want this to go through more"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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It's the scummiest possible claimIn post 440, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
...whatIn post 439, Cephrir wrote: A night 1 cop claim just makes me want this to go through more
You want to remove Furtive as a N1 cop no one will shoot over Ranger and my read?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Am I obligated to always accept every read that you haveIn post 441, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Ceph I STG if you flip Furtive over Ranger and it flips town, you better shoot me tonight because I'm coming for you tomorrow.
I'd like to play the game too"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I mean, in the sense that a N5 doctor claim just gets you yeeted every time, if your only goal is to buy time.In post 447, Detective Penguin wrote: it's....not though"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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What can I say, scum blood tastes bestIn post 450, furtiveglance wrote: Cephrir really desperate for my elimination...embarrassingly thirsty for it"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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There's a cool scum strategy it's called lyingIn post 451, Detective Penguin wrote:
N1 cop claim is one that has to produce results if they're alive. N2-NX don't.In post 449, Cephrir wrote:
I mean, in the sense that a N5 doctor claim just gets you yeeted every time, if your only goal is to buy time.In post 447, Detective Penguin wrote: it's....not though"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Maybe I'm just stupidIn post 452, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
No but you are obligated to realize I said earlier today that if Ranger claimed N1 Cop I would let them live.In post 448, Cephrir wrote:
Am I obligated to always accept every read that you haveIn post 441, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Ceph I STG if you flip Furtive over Ranger and it flips town, you better shoot me tonight because I'm coming for you tomorrow.
I'd like to play the game too
and Ranger did no such thing. Ranger claimed "I act N1". As others pointed out.
So I am saying if you kill the N1 Cop claim over the "I act N1" claim when you were willing to listen to me earlier today, it's a scumclaim
Her claim is pretty terrible too, that's fair"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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NeverIn post 455, Detective Penguin wrote:
The cool thing about a N1 claim is that, as I said, are multiple ways of verifying.In post 454, Cephrir wrote:
There's a cool scum strategy it's called lyingIn post 451, Detective Penguin wrote:
N1 cop claim is one that has to produce results if they're alive. N2-NX don't.In post 449, Cephrir wrote:
I mean, in the sense that a N5 doctor claim just gets you yeeted every time, if your only goal is to buy time.In post 447, Detective Penguin wrote: it's....not though
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I'm gonna need someone other than you to convince meIn post 456, furtiveglance wrote: If Cephrir was town who strongly scumread me here he'd recognise that it's mechanically correct to let me live regardless.
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Okay I guess I'm gonna take a cue from the reception here and take a chill pill but I still think it's a very suspect claim"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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If this is true you have the power to tell us what it isIn post 496, Korina wrote: LLD claimed a tell on Ranger that I think I see too. Why wouldn’t I believe LLD and think Ranger’s lying especially after self-vote and “I act on n1” claim unpromptedly"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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on the one hand i don't see the same townie energy that i saw from red in our last game together. on the other hand i was scum that game so it was easier for me to spot. to some degree i know he is just Like This so i'm a little hesitant but at the same time i think he was townier in the other game"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i don't think sail has done much town at all
i don't see gimli scum atm
(sail, umlaut, red, korina, ranger) is the group im feeling willing to vote right now"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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friends dont let friends preflipIn post 530, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: I actually want to do Gimli now. I know this was me being a bit of a jerk to STD but I actually am suspicious of STD and I know STD won't bus day 1 as a general rule so putting two fish on the line and having STD go "oh I'll thikn about Gimli" but then rush to do RedFF when I dangle that doesn't bode well for Red being scum."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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if you're preflipping std why not vote std"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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and also in doing this please tell me how to read him hahaIn post 539, Cephrir wrote: if you're preflipping std why not vote std"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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that's fairIn post 543, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
because blindspot, tbh. if i'm wrong about STD I don't want to have removed STD from the game when STD + you are giving me good mental.In post 539, Cephrir wrote: if you're preflipping std why not vote std
And also because town STD has been a steady miselim in just baout every game i've played with them recently and scum STD hasn't so I'd rather see the amount of pushback STD gets as the day grows but shhh that was a secret i wasn't supposed to say that
im feeling ambivolent about him right now
i wonder if it's meaningful that he hasn't tried to vote me yet lol"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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excuse me while i go have an aneurysmIn post 546, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: plus, it makes me look super townie to not push for std here. You both flip on me if I haven't found scum by day 3-4ish, so if i show that i don't want to kill him i can kill him later and look really good
it's a scum strategy :3"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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