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ooh it just starting and I was already going to vote Nachomamma8 as I have played with him the most and think I know him more then anyone else in this game and seeing the convo going on I'm starting to agree with broken already.
vote: Nachomamma8
Side note: need to check Nachomamma8 activity today.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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*Spoiler AlertNachomamma8 wrote:I didn't check the thread when everyone was confirming.
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All PM's from mods states to confirm in thread or via PM. You have been playing long enough that I don't see why you would not confirm once you see the PM.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I read brokens comment like this myself.andrew94 wrote:what?
he said 'confirmed 2nd scum'
people with some interlect like me would understand why he said that
vote antb
3rd scum
I reread the 2 pages again and disagree about a connection between CN and Nacho.
I don't know if CN is one of those people that will have me hitting my head on my desk or if he is trying to make something more then it is. Since AntB came to the same conclusion I have to remind myself people have skewed thinking.
I'm fascinated more by those ignoring brokens point about scum delaying confirming to give more time to talkSarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Why did you seem to lets say almost exaggerate brokens comment as a BS reason and drop a vote for it? Seems in my view a crap reason to vote during serious matters.AntB wrote:@CN
So voting on something which to me reads as a cover-up to a particularly nasty slip is a scum slip in itself? While true it ultimately comes down the interpretation, that's why we have punctuation.
See brokens comment that is completely my thinking as well.Nachomamma8 wrote:
I did confirm once I saw the PM.farside wrote:*Spoiler Alert
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All PM's from mods states to confirm in thread or via PM. You have been playing long enough that I don't see why you would not confirm once you see the PM.
@CN: Scum may delay game start so they can talk about things for a day. People they played with, how best to play. The pre-game talks sometimes help the scum team, depending on how they play, plot a bit. It's best to give the scum as little pregame chat as possible.
However the mod allowed a set time for the mafia to chat so the point is moot I realize now.
I do have theory on why a person may "forget or not confirm once seeing a PM" but it's more what I have done as scum in the past.
I'm holding my vote for now on Nacho.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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@Broken:
This comment was made when the mod started day 1.inHimshallibe wrote:And that makes 9/13!
The remaining players have 48 hours to check in, after which they will get a 24-hour prod to confirm or be replaced.
Also, the mafia will have until 1:35 PM CST tomorrow to finish any pre-game talks.
Day 1 begins now! With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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So how do you feel about what AntB said then?slMagnvox wrote:
Obviously read asChaotic Neutrality wrote:
That can be taken to mean any number of things, depending on how you read it. I read it as "CN confirmed 2nd. Scum!". You and farside read it as "CNandrew94 wrote:what?
he said 'confirmed 2nd scum'
people with some interlect like me would understand why he said thatisconfirmedas2nd scum". This has to do with the psychology of how people interpret written word, not "interlect".
"Confirmed as 2nd scum"
Picking on someone's typo is a scum tell?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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How is broken covering? How is what a few other people thought he meant not logical?AntB wrote:So now covering up a slip isn't serious... sure whatever.
My vote was serious, in "serious times" as I felt (and still do feel) he was(is) trying to cover for a slip.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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This is really lame. IGYEOU.AntB wrote:@DrShotty
1) I'm a sarcatic person. Also, people seem to take notice of sarcastic comments more for some reason...drmyshottyizsik wrote:AntB- 1. Why the sarcasm? and why the hatred? You mad bro?
2) Because people are out to kill me(?) - No hatred though in honesty.
3) Nope. Why would I be?
@Farsight
I can understand others may see it differently. However, we have punctuation to clarify things like this.
"helping uncle jack off his horse" can be read many number of ways. "Helping Uncle Jack, off his horse" leaves only one meaning
The "shifty-eyed" emote doesn't exactly reinforce his case.
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I covered some of this in game, but when I see that someone is posting elsewhere and not posting in game it gets my scumdar up. Also I do know when I was scum in the past I would see the PM and go to the QT to talk with my scum buddies first and then confirm later.egg wrote:Farside, what about Nacho is scummy aside from "I know him well"?
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I don't get this push on AntB. I don't even know why Nacho is voting for Ant as he didn't make a case with that vote.
AntB is definitely on my list of people who will hurt my head this game. I don't see scum dig graves further and as pointed out if he backs down he's scum. I just don't get why Ant is pushing the case. It makes no sense.
I really hate the term chainsaw by the way. For me it's some big fancy word till it has merit.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I'm taking some time to read each player. There are a small hand full that haven't said much.
I will have more later, when the little goes down for a nap. For now here is what I have so far on some people.
andrew94 - Why is it you understand CN misreading and let it be here but you attack AntB over and over for his view which is similar?
andrew gives me second thoughts over and over.
Egg - 2 post. Second post looks like a catch up post with lots of questions. What I dislike from Egg in this post is after reading everything in the game he places a vote on a player based on a RVS vote.
scummy as hell
brokenscraps- I like broken. He comes out of the gate attacking and looking for things to get the game going. My biggest complaint on broken is how he bypass's the question from archer and answers it with a question. I do find myself agreeing with most of what he said about Egg
AntB - Things I don't like about Ant is how he attacks those who attack him and use words like chainsaw and OMGUS on someone he wasn't even voting for here
I really still find this lame
Punctuation at this stage of the game is just bad scum hunting or scum noting being able to make a good case because they are scum.
this I understand and agree and disagree. Defending someone isn't always a scum tell. I can see more the OMGUS with this explanation.
why focus on broken only Scum defend town to look town you know. So if you find Andrew's comment more scummy in a sense then why not push that more?
Meh did it a post later.
Not a fan of AntB some of the attacks were just weak, when he finally makes his point understood I step back and realize he's not scummy just someone I find myself shaking my head at.
Archer - Archer has added little to nothing of the convo. Why is AntB sticking to something scummy? Why keep a vote on a random vote at this point if you reread the game? As for the inactive comment well pot you are the kettle calling them out.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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JesseSheffield - Why do you feel AntB is panicing? What post alludes to that? So far nothing of scum hunting, 3 post with little said.
MidnightHike - probable flaker. Confirmed and nothing more posted.
slMagnvox - so far nothing interesting or even remotely valuable coming from this player. 2 post and I think he's a newbie.
Nachomamma8 - I don't like Nacho's vote on Broken. I have seen players like broken who say things like confirmed 2nd scum and it doesn't mean anything. I really, really dislike his vote on AntB that has no reasoning. I see no scum hunting from Nacho so far. He also has posted elsewhere in other games and not posted here which is avoidance.
#1 scum suspect
smashbro_of_the_SSS - nothing of value here either. Looking at smash he's not posting anywhere else either. I say busy and have no view on him right now.
drmyshottyizsik - Lots of one liners with no substance. I have a feeling this is normal for drmy. He's someone I would keep an eye on.
Chaotic Neutrality - A part of me likes CN. This is more gut then anything. I don't find any of his comments flawed. I think I just wished I saw more from him to decide firmly those gut feelings.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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yes and my question was why was it understandable (before CN requested replacement) for CN to misunderstand and stand by his view but AntB is scummy for the same?andrew94 wrote:farside your link links me to this
???andrew94 wrote:i kinda see brokenscrap's first point as a way to start conversation. however, the fact that nacho didnt respond to the point makes it sus.
about cn, i now believe he really misread. because if you see his posts, he later said 'i confirmed 4th' which shows that he really misunderstood
also, cn replaced out of all his games ( i think)Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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How do you know he doesn't believe what he is saying?nacho wrote:RE: AntB
farside, I'm voting AntB because he doesn't believe anything he's saying. Read all of his posts, and you'll see that the people he's ever called scum were "2/3 of [his] wagon", which doesn't refer to anyone in particular. He votes brokenscraps for trying to cover up a slip, not for being scum, he hasn't explained why he's voting me. And no, this isn't a "quirk" of his. Then, of course, there's how he responds to me tricking him. He doesn't call me out for rolefishing. It doesn't set off his scumdar at all. Last time I played with this guy, he SUICIDE BOMBED a guy for voting him and not explaining. So the fact that this doesn't sit strange with him and know DAMN well he's prone to OMGUS, well, I'm pretty sure he's scum.
I get what you are saying about 2/3 comment and his vote on you is leaning on more careful which is scummy.
I know scum sit and wait more. Broken was the one who brought up the rolefishing first, which AntB then jumps on and votes for nacho.
@AntB: Why is nacho scum? Give many reason'sSarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Lord_Hur!!!! God girl how long has it been since we played mafia together?
Just to interject my 2 cents on sotS - gut instinct doesn't sit well, but I looked at his post around MS and he really isn't posting anywhere much. It could be he is busy but I don't like his second vote on nacho nor his vote on shotty which is essentially a throw a way vote.
Archer post 79 is one of those I have suspicion on people but I not voting on my suspects post. I note that Nacho is complaining about AntB doing this but says nothing on Archer doing the same.
@andrew: in one post explain why you think AntB is scum.
@sotSpost98 why are you only looking at those that either are not posting or are typical flakers (from what I read from others)
@Jesse: Who is scum and why?
I'm torn between Jesse and Archer as scum with Egg, but Nacho still holds my interest. Ever get the impression someone giving a half ass scum hunt and doing really nothing but trying to look town. Well Nacho gives me that.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I just took a look at some games of drmy to figure out his play. He seems more one liner as scum but I saw a game he was a bunch of one liners and was town, so null for now but someone to really keep an eye on. If he doesn't talk more he is more likely scum reading is previous games finished.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15693 (town)
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15650 (mafia)
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This ^ a thousand times this.AntB wrote:My vote for nacho is stone set now methinks. Far too much wagon jumping, not enough reasoning, seems to either be half arsed about the game in general or scum after an easy ride. The posts he's put about me not believing my vote seem to say to opposite IMO, in addition to lord_hurs' backtracking and contradictory comment, I provide my reasoning and stand by my guns throughout. Surely if I didn't believe my own vote I would backtrack, give no reasoning and back down very quickly under town pressure?
This is really scummy in my view. I used to do this as scum where I would point out things like look I'm answering questions.archer wrote:Yes, in that post I clarified my vote for Egg. The switch of my vote was because just before I posted I checked to see of there were any new developments, and there was. One of the things I saw was what looked to me like a scum slip. Is an apparent scum slip a "weak reason to vote?" So I simply added to my post, otherwise I would be seen as ignoring the questions asked of me. And thats something I dont like people doing to me, so I always try to answer everyones questions, or otherwise be a hypocrite.
Also one new development from Ant switches a vote from someone you sound (in the post that hur quoted) that Egg was scummy but vote for AntB for a weaker reason is a scum move.
Archer moves to the number 2 spot for scum.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Basically I completely agreed with antb about Nacho. That was the 3rd vote from Nacho with very little reason to no reason and seems to be more following BWs.andrew94 wrote:omg, davidparker? = =
farside, can you explain your 'this ^ a thousand times this' i dont understandSarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I just reread the question to you and your comment in full in make sure and I still find it an unnecessary comment, almost a filler to add something more. The question was about your vote on AntB when your statement was in the prior post had talked more about why Egg was scum and I still don't feel you explained why AntB was scummier then Egg at all.Archer wrote: farside - I was responding to another post, I did not randomly come out and say "hey look at me, I'm answering questions"
@Nacho: Please tell me 4 people that you find scummier or suspicious and why.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Both Nacho and archer ignored my questions to them.
Once more with feeling:
NACHO: WHICH FOUR PLAYERS DO YOU FIND SCUMMY/SUSPICIOUS AND WHY?
ARCHER: WHY DID YOU VOTE ANTB AT THE TIME WHEN THE CASE YOU HAD MADE IT SOUND THAT EGG WAS MORE SCUMMY?
Maybe using caps will get the attention I require.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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@AntB: I looked at your wiki just to see if what Nacho is claiming is true. Do you have a finished game you can link me to where you were scum?
Also nacho I did find one game where AntB didn't vote right away on who he was suspicious of. However that game was a vengeful and quick voting is something that can happen in that game.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Just for one last bit from me in regards to Nacho that is my meta on him.
The one thing I recalled in our last game together and he was town that he when he was town in that game he came off as a complete jerk.
Here was a game I found that is a sample of Nacho's attitude as town in another game:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=14367
I looked at the wiki to see if there was more current games from Nacho. Seeing someone more, lets say nicer, makes that voice in the back of my head think he is scum.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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After reading Nacho's scum suspect list I'm more certain then ever he is scum.
@archer: I don't see how your response to lord in that post anwsers why AntB was scummier then Egg to switch your vote.
I need to go and couldn't read the giant post from the replacement to make a comment on it yet.
Will get to that after work.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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He post a scum list in which 2 of the player he found scummy were just because.DavidParker wrote:Would love to know why you think Nacho's scum list makes him certain scum?
I found scum has a hard time finding scum because they are scum and don't' want to rat out their scum partners. As town I know I'm suspicious of more people then not. He completely ignores egg, smash and drmy who haven't done anything either.Nacho wrote:Looker OR MidnightHike-
Because I needed a fourth and these two people haven't done anything.
Also when players are town in my view they don't focus on one or two people they look at everyone and question them, which I expect from Nacho if he was town.
Also if you look (yes this is meta) at the game I gave an example when he is town his reasoning on who is scum is more fleshed out then one liners.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Just to be clear in case people missed it here is my full reason's why Nacho is scum
1. He is active elsewhere on MS and ignores this game some days
2. He jumps from one vote to another on two separate people with little to no reason, although he claims both or scummy.
3. Every post I read doesn't not look or read as someone scum hunting. He post lots of arguments with players with no fleshed out reason's for his suspects.
4. His scum suspect list is weak. It has no real thought process or fleshed out aspects or comment amount other players then the 2 he has argued with all game.
meta reason:
He's not being a bully (IE: jerk) like he is when I saw him in another game and he was town.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Here is the last game I played in before I took a break. I had to replace out do to RL issueslord_hur wrote:@farside22: can you link me some recent games of you playing as town?
I really like this. I'll use it in future games.farside22 wrote:I found scum has a hard time finding scum because they are scum and don't' want to rat out their scum partners. As town I know I'm suspicious of more people then not.
Oh, and do you think I play as a jerk?
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=14753
No I don't think you are a jerk but nacho for sure when I saw him as town act like a jerk to others
Now I know you are not reading this gamenacho wrote: This, coming from you? Who has been tunneling me all game? Do you even have a 4 player scum suspect list with "fleshed out" reasons?
Somewhere in this game I feel like I missed a conversation between Lord and David but I don't have time to go back and figure it out.
Also Nacho you know I can't link ongoing games but all people have to do is check your post a day and see you are all over MS and do ignore this game a couple of days you were posting elsewhere.
Also the jerk link I post for Nacho shows a more fleshed out scum list he posted on day 1.
IGMYOU DavidSarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Yeah my sig probably is closer to how I was when I had more time to play mafia. With less time to play I'm more I guess I would say I try to explain everything as clear as possible because I don't have always have time to repeat myself over and over with different words to be more clear.Lord wrote:Alright. I remember you being much more aggressive and harsh as town, but in your previous game as town and the one before, you were about as nice as in this game.
I would say I'm aggressive in my views on who is scum. But maybe that's my own view.
David's intro post he said he didn't get the Nacho case so I spelled it out clearly my views and why in one post.Why stating your reasons for voting Nachomamma8 without anyone asking for them?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Problem is the other 3 people I find scummy are more floaters. I don't know if voting out a non-participant would give any info to the game no matter their alignment.DavidParker wrote:With 8 days until deadline, I'd love to hear from brokenscraps and shotty since nacho is the only wagon at this point. No one else even has more than 1 vote, which is worrying to some extent. And shotty replacing out is annoying because of this, although we will have some fresh eyes on Nacho. Not having a competing wagon is kinda meh.
Considering we need a lynch to occur unless another wagon kicks of it's going to be nacho... or nacho.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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My problem with egg is if you look you see this is his first game, he isn't posting elsewhere and I frankly think he is going to flake like many a new person I have seen do in the past.
I can't say I'm a fan of his play in the least I just don't know if it's newbie town or scum play.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Looker I would like an explanation on why you voted for smash here and what about Lord that has you eying him?Looker wrote:- Read through and nothing jumps out at me as uber scummy. Got my eyes on lord_hur and sotS but nothing damning's come up yet.
- Until his return or an adequate replacement, VOTE: smashbro_of_the_SSS.
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Actually I could get on board with what looker pointed out. I reread Andrew how has contributed nothing but fluff and floating by saying nothing of scum hunting. His vote has been on Ant with a few questions that were pointless. I looked at his other games to see how he plays. Looking he plays like this no matter his alignment. However I saw He did push more on those he found scummy.
Show here http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 69&start=0
Looking at the scum game here He's a hard one to read alright.
In fact looking at both games neither fit how he is acting here. So I'm going to get away from the meta on this because it tells me nothing.
This case is based on game play here and it's exactly nothing. Pointless questions, floating by with little said and non contribution of scum hunting.
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Egg has no other post and I'm not sure if he is newbie scum or town. He could be avoiding the game because he's scum and doesnt' want to slip or he could be town and be really busy.DavidParker wrote:How is what you just described any different to say... Egg? Except Egg is far more guilty of it I feel with that one initial post where he just threw out 10 questions, and there isn't meta to support him like there is andrew.
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The problem with some games if lots of people lurk and are town they hurt the town. Look at my invitational in regards to this. The mafia keeps the lurkers around because they see them as helpful to their win condition (I sure know I did that as scum as well).lord_hur wrote:
I did that 2 times as town (in newbie games), so I don't really have anything against Egg (or on the other heavy lurkers) in term of alignment suspicion (of course, I hate their play like all of you, except scum of course).DavidParker wrote:How is what you just described any different to say... Egg? Except Egg is far more guilty of it I feel with that one initial post where he just threw out 10 questions, and there isn't meta to support him like there is andrew.
Ok, so I reread andrew94's ISO (took about one minute) and the only scum-hunting I've seen is saying Nachomamma8 used a wall of text in his last game as scum. Nothing else worth mentioning except that strange bussing comment (I've always seen drawing unconditional scum relations day 1 as highly presomptuous and I never do it, but I've never noticed a link between this behavior and alignment). This guy is a lurker just as I remembered, and I have no reading of him.
And here comes the old debate, should town lynch lurkers? They're detrimential to town (if all players lurked, mafia would be a game of dice, and scum would always win), and therefore I hate their guts, so i'd say yes. I doubt it's really rational, though. Lynching a lurker gives no info to town, and let scum lead the game.
I still find nacho scummy and I find it odd that andrew notes nacho's play but doesn't vote for him.
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@Andrew: I wouldn't say looking at some of the vote counts (this being one at point) that AntB was ignored. Sure he has one vote count now but that happens where people find many different people scum. I personally don't see AntB scum and explain it at one point.inHimshallibe wrote:Official Day 1 Vote Tally
13 players remain; 7 votes needed for a lynch.
Nachomamma8 (4)- farside22, brokenscraps, AntB, drmyshottyizsik
AntB (4)- andrew94, lord_hur, Nachomamma8, Archer
drmyshottyizsik (1)- smashbro_of_the_SSS
Yet to vote (4): JesseSheffield, MidnightHike, Egg, Looker
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Second Prod:MidnightHike
As for why point out your meta. I did the research I need to keep it somewhere as a reminder and the game for me is a place I keep my reminders on players in the game.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Whenever I was scum I tried hard not to buss my scum partner day 1 (as it's always harder to recover for me with only 2 scum left). Trying to look for something scummy from town is harder because I can see the dense people that are considered the easy lynch and looking at those you know to be town that act town you can't point to as scum because what reason do you really have.Bella wrote:
I am intrigued by this because I find the opposite to be true. As scum, your information level is much greater - you know who is or isn't scum and thus you never have to consider the possibility that you are wrong. As town, this is clearly not true - someone who is genuinely scum-hunting will always have a voice in the back of their head that they may be picking up on the wrong trail or misinterpreting someone's behaviour. This fact leads to greater equivocation, especially when it comes to making a suspect list at an early stage of the game.lord_hur wrote:@farside22: can you link me some recent games of you playing as town?
I really like this. I'll use it in future games.farside22 wrote:I found scum has a hard time finding scum because they are scum and don't' want to rat out their scum partners. As town I know I'm suspicious of more people then not.
I know I fumble as scum looking and I have seen it from others in other games fumble.
As town I'm suspicious of almost everyone unless there is a town feel or something strikes me as town. I go more on gut and I don't know or see many people who fake that very easily.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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lord_hur wrote:
Why would you do that? You've been pretty heavily on the meta side until now.farside22 wrote:I will try hard not to judge the dizzyizzy account.
If dizzyizzy is the one I"m remember it was the one that flaked in a game and did nothing.
My first reaction to seeing the alt account name was to joke about the policy. Bella's reaction was felt like someone not amused.
Mostly I wasn't going to join the policy joke after that or think about that flaky person and judge her for her worth in this game.
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I don't see why it's strange to ask with 13 pages and deadline in about a week. There should be an impression or idea which you had but I don't like the wishy washiness you have in your post were you don't want to make a firm stance as though you are scared to make a stand.Anyway... It seems strange to be asking for a scum list at this stage of the game, with the general activity levels of some of the players and there being several replacements already. The data doesn't exist to perform such an action. So, I decline to provide one. I will, however, provide my current thoughts on each player.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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No offense to people who feel my experience is a threat.
Thank you much, I don't see it maybe because I know I have played poor as scum in some games and poor as town.
Everyone has weekness's. I completely understand lack of trust.
Yah!!! Someone I know something about and don't have to research as much!inHimshallibe wrote:Battousai replaces JesseSheffield.
What happened to the comment you made about Nacho and how he is acting in this game?andrew94 wrote:@antb
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antb- for reasons stated
lord_hur comes in , seconds the policy lynch, BUT doesnt vote. comments on bella is not a 'newb' then says ' i was just pointing it out, adding to the case' then 'fos david for interprating it otherwise???'
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Batt: I don't see a real good post here
You make 4 points without many reason's
For example how is this:
How is this even valuable right now? What about 260 gives you the town/scum depending on Nacho's flip?227- DavidParker is distancing = scum if nacho is town
Why would you vote for Bella?
I found myself agreeing with Andrew for once.
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*Reminder to self to look at this later*"249- I see this as scum hurting his faction (1 bad scum is much more harmful than 1 bad town) more than town guilt. = probable scum" is why I suspect Bella.
I think Batt has defend himself well. Typically I would agree 100% with DP about the lack of vote. With 1 week left I don't see why withholding a vote does. It looks more scummy, but right now I'm going on gut with this and my gut says although I don't trust Bella something I find rings and sounds sincere.
That said I'm going back to voting Nacho
He is posting just find around MS and continues to actively lurk in this game. I'm betting he is hoping we ignore him and he can skate by.
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@Batt:
I don't get this statement at all here:
When post 249 is this:"249- I see this as scum hurting his faction (1 bad scum is much more harmful than 1 bad town) more than town guilt. = probable scum" is why I suspect Bella.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2743203
@Nacho:
Batt explain most of his reason's for his post well under pressure.
When asked about explain his reasoning to each question.
There are still two items yet to resolve.
1) is the for sure statement (which I don't get the difference if it's smash or DP), why would it be for sure you know the alignment based on Nacho flip
2) why he would vote for Bella
Really this back and forth here I don't get. I read over and over and it's confusing the hell out of me.
That's not true. Smash is still in the game.nacho wrote:DavidParker substituted in for Smashbro and it still doesn't make sense.
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@Batt: So you think it's more likely that Bella is scum based on dmry asking for replacement and are willing to vote for her based on the assumption that scum would replace more then town?
Is it because he states he is hurting the town?
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How on earth can you classify Batt's shifting, unsure defence that still makes no sense as "posting well under pressure"?
People are going on him and even after reading Lord's response to my confuse I still don't see it.
I don't see, typically, scum hurrying post and going back and forth this badly. Usually they are more careful about what they say.
I don't even really see why the harping on things like this:
Makes no sense.lord_hur wrote:
You really, really aren't good at explaining things : you just keep repeating the same thing, which is exactly what your (apparent) suspect said...Battousai wrote:Requesting replacement is null. Requesting replacement because you are hurting town, scummy. Maybe not a D2/D3 vote, but it's good enough for a D1 vote.
My thought reading Batt's response was what makes the difference if you find it scummy day 1 and voting but not scummy enough for a day 2 or 3 vote.
Please explain how Batt is flipping out?Bella wrote:
Batt's flapping about his contradiction and farside's strange defence of him make me wonder whether this is less a case of "Yay, new player" and more a case of "Yay, new scum partner". It's a more reasonable interpretation of this comment than Batt's interpretation that the way Shotty replaced out screamed scum.farside22 wrote:
Yah!!! Someone I know something about and don't have to research as much!inHimshallibe wrote:Battousai replaces JesseSheffield.
Also you can think what you want about my statement but when your time is not as much as others it's nice not to have to go searching a player to find out how they play. It's time consuming to do.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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1) meh. I take day 1 as informational as the next day but I know some players who take night actions and day 1 lynches informative.Farside- I said it is not scummy enough D2/D3 for two reasons. D1- We have very little information to go on but on the day posts. This is pretty scummy post, but it isn't scummy enough for anyone to vote for when there are much stronger cases (which happen post D1); and 2, As the days go by, we have less leeway with mislynching and cases need to be much stronger.
2) I think this depends on more if scum or town was lynched day 1.
I think there should be more reason's at this point if you find scummy then some null post.
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Alright people Monday is deadline and we need to reach a consensus. A no lynch is bad for the town.
I'm working on my final thoughts for the day, along with a who I would lynch today and why.
@archer: Right now I'm split with you being either a lost town who has no clue wtf is really going on or scum just floating by.
@Egg: Make time or ask for replacement.
@Smash: See what I said to Egg above.
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I'm starting this my stating my top two suspects are Nacho/andrew. I see a distance/connection between them. #1 is because of andrew
andrew94andrew94 wrote:dude ok, in one of my recently finsihed games, nacho was scum and he posted walls of shit to confuse everyone and its a trap.
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These 2 quote really sing to me as andrew votes for Ant but never give's nacho more then a scum suspect meta call. Later his list changes:3) non contribution of scum hunting? i find antb scummy and pointed out nachp's walls but antb just got ignored (now has 1 vote)
I asked him after this list what happened to his Nacho suspicion with no responseandrew94 wrote:@antb
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lord_hur comes in , seconds the policy lynch, BUT doesnt vote. comments on bella is not a 'newb' then says ' i was just pointing it out, adding to the case' then 'fos david for interprating it otherwise???'
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Nachomamma8
Multiple votes without reasoning.
The only good reason's I found from him were here
now adding his latest vote with no reason here
Add not reading the game
I want an explanation from Nacho about this:
What was he noncommital about and what post leads you to saying he was noncommitalJesseSheffield-
Not taking stances, noncommital, lurker.
Looker:
post a list with different pretty colors with no explanation
He promises a post but instead just ask a question to LH.
Gives a suspect list with no reason here
He has some good post as well. One on why he feels Jesse is town, why he thinks Andrew is scum.
I looked into this players games and based on his plays in these games:
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town
I see more scum then town. As town he was more.....I would say emotional. There is a sense of real hard scum hunting. Reading his scum play he is more distant which is how I see him playing here. Since this is more meta then anything he is fourth on my scum list.
Battousai (Replacing: JesseSheffield)
Bad entrance in the game. I don't see a good fleshed out thought process in Batt's first post
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scum
Call me any sort of name you want but the above is how I would expect batt to act in this game instead of his entrance.
What I don't like about Batt is his reasoning for who he would vote for. He basically has 2 people on his list of who he would vote for and very little in so far as reasoning.
Since again I'm basing some of this on meta and not the game and his game play is questionable he is third on the list.
Plus I had that little voice in my head wonder if Nacho is voting Batt to look more town by bussing one of his scum partners.
All of this goes back to Nacho. For me and everything I see if he flips scum like I suspect I would go after andrewSarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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What would Egg's flip tell you if he flipped scum or town about the rest of the players in the game?Archer wrote:I'm sticking with my vote on Egg. I've gone back and forth on other people and its reached a point where I need new info again to actually make up my mind cause I'm going round in circles in my head. But Egg has remained a suspect throughout so I'm going with my gut.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Theorize with me for a moment here Nacho.
If AntB is lynched today and flipped town who would you go after day 2 and why?
If AntB is lynched today and flipped scum who do you see a connection with and why?
I'm going to go that extra step and theorize about my second question for a moment here.
Lets say AntB is lynched and flipped scum I would suspect looker as his partner in crime for this:
Before looker took over the other guy (Si) posted a defense for AntB and never came back to respond to the question about what AntB said and doing the same. here
Then I would add Batt this this trio based on AntB ignoring most of what was said and staying out of the argument going on between Batt and LH.
Yah!!!! I feel better. I officially feel I have the scum teams figure out(almost)
If nacho is scum
nacho/andrew/?? (either batt or insert lurker here)
if AntB is scum
ant/looker/Batt
Putting this here to brag later if I'm right.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Reading the case that Nacho placed in full for me. I have to disagree on one part of the case.
That whole comment from AntB about this is how I play, blah, blah, blah.
I didn't read that as him saying it's a meta thing, but just about his play in this game, (IE: someone who plays and does just because) Really it's not an excuse but I didn't see it as a take a look at my meta as Nacho did.
I don't think showing one example of how he played dictates that he always plays that way either. If nacho can show he always does X as town then the who meta argument would have merrit.
The rest of the case made me think a bit. I'm not sure about how AntB switch his vote from broken to andrew when he did. I have seen town and scum do it, but I do agree it is typically scum more then town to switch their votes under pressure more then town.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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yes? And?andrew94 wrote:david, can you explain how that makes him town.
farside, didnt you say earlier that batt defended himself pretty well
I'm not voting for him. Doesn't mean I don't notice those things that ping my scumdar in regard to other players and things I notice in the game.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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How is he not flinching. He is almost babbling about. I see nacho sliding by and lurking. I have been suspecting him since the start. I will admit to those few nagging feelings I have and because of it would switch to Batt.1. Battousai-scum is a criminal mastermind. He does not ever flinch under pressure. If you played with him that much, you should know that : it certainly didn't take me long to see it.
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I felt when I posted that he was answering questions well and I didn't see what you saw in his post. I even said I didn't get it.lord_hur wrote:Hmm, I don't see him babbling about (if I understand this well, english isn't my first language). Anyway.
So, you list this as a reason for unvoting Battousai.farside22 wrote:Batt explain most of his reason's for his post well under pressure.
And then you post this. Looks a bit contradictory to me.farside22 wrote:He is almost babbling about.
All the back and forth between the 2 of you makes him look more babbling. (there is a better word but my brain isn't working with me today to think of a better term to use).Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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LH: you never answered this:
I forgot to put the question mark, but I see it this way. You question him about what he wrote. He states, this is what I meant, you back it up and say but this is what I see. He reiterates something he already said before, you feel you caught him backtracking his words.How is he not flinching.
I have seen town and scum flub there wording. Try to make things more clear and then get called out for backtracking. ......I'm now thinking about a game I was in with VV who flipped scum doing that......
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