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Post Post #245 (isolation #0) » Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:07 pm

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Have this read in a jiffy.
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Post Post #246 (isolation #1) » Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:19 pm

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In post 57, MontyWhittaker wrote:
And it DOES bother me that people would act like I'm waving my hands and screaming when I am doing no such thing.

No one has accused you of doing that, though they may if you continue to attempt to irrationally rationalize all the posts in this thread away. No one has accused you, no one has pointed a finger at you, and it could be that no one would have if you had not become defensive.
Calm down for a second.


I didn't realize the term "investigation" was so loaded for you. You were asking questions, which I do think a good town player should do, when the term was first used to describe your game.

Whether it's scum behaviour to draw us away from a different conflict or an over emotional town, I don't know, but for now, I will

VOTE: Noraaa
Bold is my emphasis. I just find it funny Monty told Nora to calm down followed by a vote.

I've "read" the whole game now. I will not be reading those ridiculous walls. I skimmed. Walls are anti-town.

Slaandar, Absta, Codex, and Brandi are townish.

Kyle, Nat, Starbuck, Shamrockand monty are scummy.

Everyone else is null.
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Post Post #247 (isolation #2) » Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:21 pm

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I'd like a link to the game where Nat was aggressive.
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Post Post #249 (isolation #3) » Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:27 pm

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VOTE: Monty

P-Edit: Thanks.
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Post Post #255 (isolation #4) » Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:24 am

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In post 250, Slandaar wrote:BK: You have no opinion on the Panda?
I hate hydras. I was leaning scum but then I wasn't, I'll have to see why.
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Post Post #256 (isolation #5) » Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:29 am

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In post 251, Shamrock wrote:And no opinion on the case I made on your slot?
I think Scigatt played fine. If you want me to respond to individual points I will.
In post 253, Starbuck wrote:The sheer amount of laziness and lack of reading/scumhunting is sincerely boggling my mind. You can't call me scummy if you didn't read what I wrote.
How about you take some time to format spaces in between your walls? And the only walls I skimmed were Noraa's and the responses to her walls. It felt like people were saying the same two things back and forth: 1. That AtE is genuine, she is town. 2. Scum can do genuine AtE, she isn't town.
In post 254, Shamrock wrote:Also I like how BK's five scumreads are four people who have expressed suspicion of his slot and a promising-looking bandwagon.

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Post Post #259 (isolation #6) » Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:07 am

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I don't like AtE but I think the way it happened makes her town.
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Post Post #321 (isolation #7) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:29 pm

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V/LA till Friday.
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Post Post #419 (isolation #8) » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:04 pm

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Back from V/LA. Posting here in about 14 hours.
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Post Post #432 (isolation #9) » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:29 am

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@DV - No, I have not heard of "Amished tell". What's your point?

@Nat - Assume Brandi is town for a moment. Now what?

@Sawyer - Why don't you want Panda to claim today if you agree to Panda being vigged tonight?

@Shamrock - Assume I'm town for a moment. Now what?
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I don't like Slaandar directing the possible vig, because I don't think what Panda said was a slip.

@Everyone - Why exactly is what Panda said "blablabla vig me" a slip that there is a vig?

Too many null reads in this game. Fine with Kyle, Shamrock, DV, Sawyer lynch today.
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Post Post #434 (isolation #10) » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:33 am

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In post 433, Shamrock wrote:Great, now lynch Panda?

I don't think I understand what you're asking.
I'll wait for Nat to answer before I explain since I asked her the same type of question.
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Post Post #455 (isolation #11) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:20 am

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In post 433, Shamrock wrote:Great, now lynch Panda?

I don't think I understand what you're asking.

In post 437, Natalie wrote:@BK
If Brandi is town, then you and or Deas is scum.
Now that Nat answered I'll answer. I just want to know what you two tunnelers (especially nat) will do when the player they are tunneling on flips town. I see it as a bs excuse to not really scumhunt, nat.
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Post Post #456 (isolation #12) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:26 am

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This is the best lynch by far today.

VOTE: Sawyer
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Post Post #457 (isolation #13) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:27 am

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Though I'm also fine with Panda because I saw it viewing the forum a moment ago and is gone without saying anything now.
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Post Post #458 (isolation #14) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:28 am

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In post 450, Starbuck wrote:

BK201

BK201 wrote:Too many null reads in this game. Fine with Kyle, Shamrock, DV, Sawyer lynch today.

Cases?
people, those 4 I listed I don't really have cases on them, just overall vibes for now, if I had cases I would have shared.
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Post Post #460 (isolation #15) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:30 am

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In post 459, Starbuck wrote:How can you be fine with lynching someone without making a case to show us just why they deserve to be lynched? You aren't winning any town points here.
I have a small case on Sawyer actually, but its mostly my agreement with Absta's case.
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Post Post #461 (isolation #16) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:30 am

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And I usually don't have cases on people by day 1, I'm a slow start.
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Post Post #464 (isolation #17) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:36 am

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In post 462, Starbuck wrote:You can't push for a lynch on someone without providing a case of your own that doesn't parrot what someone else said without being viewed as scummy. We have 19 pages of information. There's plenty to make a case out of, if you tried.
There's nothing wrong with agreeing with someone's case and not having your own. I already had a vibe, the case basically gives it form. I can link at least one recent game where I followed someone's case (was the first to follow it too) and lynched scum day 1.
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Post Post #467 (isolation #18) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:38 am

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Strawman ^

God forbid Absta makes sense.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #19) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:39 am

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My slot can never agree with Absta's case without having my own since it did once before. If it was someone other than Absta would it be fine?
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Post Post #472 (isolation #20) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:55 am

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In post 470, Starbuck wrote:In your opinion, what makes Sawyer scum?
He wants Panda vigged without a claim. There is literally no town motivation behind that. I'm telling you I don't have my 'own' case, I completely agree with Absta's though.
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Post Post #473 (isolation #21) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:55 am

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Absta makes a point on Sawyer's use of "hopefully" yet still wanting to vig panda without a claim.
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Post Post #475 (isolation #22) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:57 am

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In post 474, Starbuck wrote:
In post 472, BK201 wrote:
In post 470, Starbuck wrote:In your opinion, what makes Sawyer scum?
He wants Panda vigged without a claim. There is literally no town motivation behind that. I'm telling you I don't have my 'own' case, I completely agree with Absta's though.


What about Slandaar? Wasn't that his plan in the first place?
I don't recall Slaandar saying to do it without a claim.
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Post Post #477 (isolation #23) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:58 am

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And honestly what's worse than a bad idea is the player who sheeps a bad idea. Its like proofreading, should be easier the 2nd time to see how bad it is.
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Post Post #479 (isolation #24) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:21 am

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In post 335, Sawyer wrote:
In post 325, Slandaar wrote:UNVOTE: Panda

OK so heres the deal

Panda looks like he slipped, if he slipped there is a vig.

So if there is a vig, they shoot panda tonight and we lynch someone else, this completely sorts the slip out.


Sounds like it could work.

In post 331, absta101 wrote:Actually shouldn't Panda claim if he's going to get vigged?


No, I don't think he should. If he's scum he'd have way to many ways to get out of being lynched/NKed. And he actually insisted a Vig kill him. Hopefully he wouldn't do that if he were a PR.
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Brandi's latest post sounds like scum to me.

In post 334, Brandi wrote:Crazy? You mean scummy.

You essentially claimed scum.

It doesn't matter whether someone "thinks you are dumb enough to slip up" or not.

Scum slip all of the time. Scum get lynched for slipping. That appeal to probability doesn't mean shit.

If you are actually town and are pulling something like that- you are -directly- hurting the town with your actions.


I disagree. I'd say he actually helped town given the reactions he got (I agree with all of his reads on those posts BTW). It could've easily have gotten him lynched but responsible town wouldn't have lynched without an explanation and Slandaar was able to come up with a seemingly foolproof method of determining his alignment without using a lynch on him.


In post 334, Brandi wrote:
If there is a vig- a stunt like that could have caused him to out himself. Do you know how anti-town your actions are?


Why would a Vig out himself just because Elmo says a vig is in the game? Elmo didn't claim Vig and he didn't make it sound like he was implying it either. That would make no sense whatsoever.

In post 334, Brandi wrote:
But no- I don't buy it.

This is just a shoddy attempt to pull suspicion off of yourself by labeling it as a gambit.

There is no way you would do something so thoughtless as town without even discussing it with your other head.


Your post looks like a shoddy attempt to get on a wagon in a way that wont make you look suspicious. Even after Slandaars plan, you still want to use a lynch on Panda? I see no reason for that unless you can point out a fallacy in what Slandaar proposed.

Elmo modded this set-up last time, I was a player there. (would actually be kinda funny if I was lynched today since I was lynched day 1 in that game too.)

Of course if we have a vig, he should vig who he thinks is scummy, but with all the support for the vig panda plan, its not a long-shot to say that's what would have happened. With a majority of support, panda should have claimed since its likely the vig would go along with it.
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Post Post #480 (isolation #25) » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:22 am

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Sorry, I forgot I quoted that earlier. Was just going to point out Sawyer's 'reasoning' for panda not claiming.
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Post Post #509 (isolation #26) » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:21 am

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I'm the Jailkeeper.

nat is bullshit.
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Post Post #511 (isolation #27) » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:24 am

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Nat is painfully obvious scum.

I myself have tunneled on a target day 1 as scum, which allowed me to not scumhunt elsewhere. All the way till deadline and then its easy to hop onto a compromise wagon.

Fine with Nat or Sawyer.
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Post Post #512 (isolation #28) » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:24 am

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I believe Brandi said it.
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Post Post #513 (isolation #29) » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:25 am

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In case I die though, don't be retarded and lynch Brandi. Ever.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #30) » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:28 am

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In post 514, Natalie wrote:

Can you please show how I am painfully obvious scum? And while you're at it, explain how you haven't picked up on this before? Why is it only a revelation when I put a vote on you?
I explained in my last post and I have brought this up before. If you weren't scum maybe you'd remember.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nat

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Post Post #518 (isolation #31) » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:33 am

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In post 432, BK201 wrote:

@Nat - Assume Brandi is town for a moment. Now what?

In post 455, BK201 wrote:
In post 437, Natalie wrote:@BK
If Brandi is town, then you and or Deas is scum.
Now that Nat answered I'll answer. I just want to know what you two tunnelers (especially nat) will do when the player they are tunneling on flips town. I see it as a bs excuse to not really scumhunt, nat.
Here I try to see what Nat plans to do once she can't tunnel Brandi. Its not like I just noticed how obv scum nat is. How hard is it to literally tunnel on one player the whole phase and hop onto any compromise wagon as scum? Its great because you look like you were doing something when really you didn't scumhunt.
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Post Post #538 (isolation #32) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:51 am

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In post 528, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:What retarded scum would ever put a JK in this setup. Seriously.

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Post Post #539 (isolation #33) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:03 am

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Even if I successfully jail scum, there's always the chance there is a vig. Gonna be very difficult to prove there is a JK unless I jail scum or who they target + vig killing scum.
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Post Post #541 (isolation #34) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:18 am

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In post 523, Sawyer wrote:
As for BK's claim, call me crazy but I don't believe it. I will unvote anyway for one day only. If he's still around tomorrow, I'm gonna vote for him again. The next in line on my scum list was Brandi. Now, since I don't believe BKs claim, I think he could be using reverse psychology by saying never to lynch Brandi (acting so sure of himself) in the hope that, if he dies and flips scum, we'll lynch Brandi thinking there's a connection.

Be sure to keep that in mind for tomorrow.

One of Brandi or BK has to be scum. Brandi insisted that she would die to catch scum, so she may be able to do that. Either she's scum and BK may be cleared (that'll be determined tomorrow) or Brandi's not scum and I'll almost definitely be voting BK tomorrow should he survive.

Unvote

Vote: Brandi
One, the top paragraph is lolzybullcrap, I know you don't believe your own words there. Two, scum lining up lynches.
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Post Post #542 (isolation #35) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:21 am

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Don't even act like 2-shot vig isn't the best role for scum to pick.
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Post Post #545 (isolation #36) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:36 am

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You haven't explained why taking JK + 2-shot vig or taking JK period is risky for scum. Let's see if you have reasoning and weren't half-assly trying to get me lynched b/c 'scum would not pick JK'.

Also, why are you lining up lynches. Whats up with "One of Brandi or BK has to be scum"

And then your reverse psychology crap, that only holds any weight if indeed I am scum, but you use that as your reason to vote Brandi.

Sawyer is bs, him or nat today I don't really care which goes first.
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Post Post #547 (isolation #37) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:43 am

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Sounds like you have no answer for that reverse psychology crap.
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Post Post #549 (isolation #38) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:53 am

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Lynch nat, if I'm still alive I'll argue my way out of it so better kill me tonight.
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Post Post #550 (isolation #39) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:54 am

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Sawyer is bs all-around, but I'm sick of arguing with probable scum.
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Post Post #552 (isolation #40) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:04 am

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In post 551, absta101 wrote:
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How confident are you of your tell?
I think its a good-tell. And I don't see how Nat is so crappy as town that she would almost literally only talk about one player from the beginning of the phase to the end. Its an excuse to not read the game [well] and to not scumhunt.
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Post Post #553 (isolation #41) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:07 am

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In post 335, Sawyer wrote:
In post 331, absta101 wrote:Actually shouldn't Panda claim if he's going to get vigged?


No, I don't think he should. If he's scum he'd have way to many ways to get out of being lynched/NKed. And he actually insisted a Vig kill him. Hopefully he wouldn't do that if he were a PR.
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Post Post #554 (isolation #42) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:08 am

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On top of that he is lining up lynches with terrible reasoning.
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Post Post #562 (isolation #43) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:25 pm

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need more votes on Nat plz
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Post Post #566 (isolation #44) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:53 pm

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Hey Elmo, there's an actual chance I can prove my role's existence. But go ahead and call this game a mess while not doing anything productive. :/
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Post Post #568 (isolation #45) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:02 pm

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Ignoring Elmo's crap, which I see as I'm lazy ass don't give a fuck town, why aren't you voting Nat or Sawyer, Shamrock?
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Post Post #570 (isolation #46) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:53 pm

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I see how that could be interpreted that way, but is that really all you've got on Panda? Rach was the one who said that and I could see her actually saying that as any alignment.
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Post Post #612 (isolation #47) » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:46 am

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Just lynch Nat.
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Post Post #640 (isolation #48) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:40 pm

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I'm going to hold back on saying who I jailed since I didn't prevent a kill. Also it would just narrow down the pool of who is the Vig.
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Post Post #641 (isolation #49) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:46 pm

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In post 637, Purrfect Panda wrote:BK at this point, is in the town pile in my book as an un CCed PR
I am town and all, but you know scum has two safe claims. (or just 1 if they didn't pick IC)
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Post Post #642 (isolation #50) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:51 pm

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I think it's fairly obvious the Vig killed Darklight b/c he was really really passive. At least when compared to Slaandar who was not.
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Post Post #645 (isolation #51) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:39 pm

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Before I dive in, if we have a 1-shot Cop who investigated somebody last night, then I suggest you get your clear or guilty out there since you're basically a named VT now.
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Post Post #647 (isolation #52) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:57 pm

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^ Whoever I jailed is obviously NOT the Vig. Thus stating who I jailed narrows down the Vig pool.

If there were only 1 scum left, then I would state who I jailed since it clears them if the scum kill went through.
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Post Post #648 (isolation #53) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:04 pm

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Slaandar was on Nat like a fat kid on a cupcake. It was obvious he was town after Nat flipped, as he could have just gone for another wagon like yourself(panda).

He was also stating an absta/nat scumteam towards the end of the day; Which means they were protecting Absta or framing him, which creates WIFOM at the very least.

Slaandar is also a much more experienced player than myself.

And keeping me alive creates even more WIFOM.

There is also the chance that I roleblock town PR's or even protect scum from the vig, all while not being able to clear anyone since there are two scum left.
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Post Post #649 (isolation #54) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:41 pm

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In post 643, Code_X wrote:
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Natalie - calls Monty scum in - doesn't elaborate again doesn't throw a vote down/any kind of real pressure. Calls him scummy again in but also tries to dissolve the wagon.
I think you're on to something, but I want to point out that Nat did elaborate on Monty once after post 211.
In post 341, Natalie wrote:

Monty is scummy for being worried about a possible conf-town (Slandaar), parking his vote on Nora, and then flaking. But his wagon does worry me since it is (or was) a pretty large wagon for a player with six posts.
Looking at it though, it looks like a weak-bus.
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Post Post #650 (isolation #55) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:44 pm

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Nvm I mis-read that...thought you said Nat never elaborated on Monty again. You pointed out 341.

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Post Post #660 (isolation #56) » Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:17 am

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In post 655, Sawyer wrote:
Otherwise, BK is still alive and with a Vig out there. Maybe scum is that risky in choosing both of those roles and by letting one of them live in hope of getting him lynch. But should all that go wrong, it would fuck them up bad, so I'm gonna guess they're not that big of risk takers.

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Post Post #662 (isolation #57) » Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:58 am

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In post 341, Natalie wrote:

And Slandaar's plan is pretty foolproof. Why would you still want Elmo to be lynched after looking at it? Unless you can find a major flaw in it, I don't see the town motivation in you wanting Panda dead.
Panda is town. I don't think Nat is some genius scum who said this knowing she would die Day 1.
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Post Post #663 (isolation #58) » Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:59 am

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^ In other words, she was encouraging the Vig to shoot Panda. (Probably glad she didn't have to worry about it being on her or a buddy)
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Post Post #724 (isolation #59) » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:19 am

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In post 684, Sawyer wrote:
In post 683, DeasVail wrote:My suspicion is based on your lack of attempt to better read the other lynch candidates and/or try to have some say in who gets lynched. Apart from your vote, you didn't seem to care too much about who was lynched. My theory is fear of any attempt to get Brandi lynched looking like an attempt to save Nat.


My feelings toward Brandi, Nat and Panda should've been obvious since they hardly changed through the day. I wanted Panda vigged and I didn't think Nat should've been lynched at all. I still think her wagon picked up speed way to fast and out of nowhere and I said as much yesterday. That should've made it clear I didn't support the Nat wagon at all. BK says she could be scum tunneling to avoid scum hunting and she goes from no votes all the way to L-1 within 3 pages.
That one reason isn't good enough for me.
I'm baffled as to how her wagon took off as fast as it did. Absta only voted her because BK said he was confident in his read, though absta ultimately realized that wasn't a good reason to vote her and unvoted. Even you were unconvinced of Nat-scum, but ended up putting her at L-1 with no indication that you had been swayed into thinking she was scum (to avoid suspicion, me thinks).
Did you miss Slaandar's reason? Which I'm sure netted a vote or two.
In post 582, Slandaar wrote:She is scum because of the way she hopped on BK after saying literally nothing about him all game.

Tunnel Tunnel Tunnel while not trying to convince people to lynch your tunnel target + compromise vote on someone you have shown no interest in/not posted one opinion on = scum
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Post Post #725 (isolation #60) » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:32 am

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Brandi is confirmed town. Nora's AtE-walls and how Nat was discrediting them + Nat tunneling Brandi.

Panda is most likely town. At a time when Nat was safe, she encouraged the vig to kill Panda. She even said "Slaandar's plan is foolproof".
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Post Post #730 (isolation #61) » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:42 am

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In post 729, DeasVail wrote:
In post 725, BK201 wrote:Panda is most likely town. At a time when Nat was safe, she encouraged the vig to kill Panda. She even said "Slaandar's plan is foolproof".

I disagree with this reasoning.
Why?
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Post Post #732 (isolation #62) » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:04 am

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In post 731, DeasVail wrote:Because Nat supporting a plan to vig Panda that is already in place doesn't make a vig on Panda all that much more likely, and has the benefit of distancing them.
You have a point, but the how she went about saying it to me says she didn't care. If Panda was a scumbuddy she would have thrown WIFOM into it. Instead of saying...
In post 341, Natalie wrote:And Slandaar's plan is pretty foolproof. Why would you still want Elmo to be lynched after looking at it? Unless you can find a major flaw in it, I don't see the town motivation in you wanting Panda dead.


She would have said something with a bunch of WIFOM like...
In post 454, Natalie wrote:Shamrock is getting up there as well, but I don't want to lynch him today.

or
In post 514, Natalie wrote:BK isn't cleared, since I find it strange if scum actually chose jailkeeper. But it's possible.

or
In post 341, Natalie wrote:Monty is scummy for being worried about a possible conf-town (Slandaar), parking his vote on Nora, and then flaking. But his wagon does worry me since it is (or was) a pretty large wagon for a player with six posts.


She could have easily said "Panda is probably the best vig target, but....WIFOM." It could have been distancing like you are saying, I just don't agree.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #63) » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:50 pm

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In post 734, Sawyer wrote:
Brandi is really fucking with my scumdar. The way Nat was tunneling her would says Brandi mostly likely town. But given how Brandi has gotten progressively more scummy since toward the end of Day 1, I'm gonna have consider the possibility that it was a bussing attempt. Brandi's wagon never did really pick up. It never got more than 3 votes, with the other main supporters being lurkers Monty (DV) and Kyle (Reckoner).
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In post 514, Natalie wrote:UNVOTE: BK201
VOTE: Brandi

Now can her lynch go through?

BK isn't cleared, since I find it strange if scum actually chose jailkeeper. But it's possible.

Can you please show how I am painfully obvious scum? And while you're at it, explain how you haven't picked up on this before? Why is it only a revelation when I put a vote on you?
At this time not even I was voting her -- She was safe.

In post 734, Sawyer wrote:
In post 724, BK201 wrote:Did you miss Slaandar's reason? Which I'm sure netted a vote or two.


I didn't miss it. I was still a bad reason. I had actually mentioned earlier in the game that Nat had said Scigatt was a scumread and questioned her on how that could be true when she had hardly acknowledged him. Why didn't any body vote her then?
What is the point of this question?

In post 734, Sawyer wrote:[quote="In post 724Also, why aren't you voting me? Don't you think I'm scum? You sounded pretty sure of yourself yesterday.
Obviously b/c I'm still figuring this out. Scum-flip = lots more angles to look at.
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Post Post #763 (isolation #64) » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:51 pm

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In the first sentence, I mean Nat when I say "her".
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Post Post #764 (isolation #65) » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:51 pm

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In post 754, Brandi wrote:^And the reason for me suggesting a townie fakeclaiming jailkeeper- is that scum would know it's a fakeclaim and therefore would be a potential reason as to why they didn't kill him;
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Post Post #775 (isolation #66) » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:24 am

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In post 765, Sawyer wrote:It's been a few days since Day 2 started. Who are your scumreads, BK?

In post 762, BK201 wrote:Brandi - is - town. If you really need more convincing, look at her reaction to my claim.


I don't see how Nat's reaction to your claim has any connection to Brandi whatsoever. Can you explain?
My whole theory for Nat being scum was that she was tunneling as an excuse to not really scumhunt -- all the way till deadline -- and switch to a compromise wagon cus deadline. She did just that, however the fact I was a PR ruined her strategy since she knew she couldn't keep her vote on me and get away with it. So she once again voted out of compromise, and that vote was on Brandi. Brandi is town.
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Post Post #776 (isolation #67) » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:25 am

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In post 774, xRECKONERx wrote:I AM DRUNK SOMEONE TALK TO ME
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Post Post #778 (isolation #68) » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:35 am

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I want you to find the scum for me.
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Post Post #801 (isolation #69) » Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:13 pm

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He could be an Innocent Child, so definitely shouldn't quick-lynch.

I thought I was going to have more time to look at each player anyways.
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Post Post #836 (isolation #70) » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:34 am

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pre-emptive prod dodge -- I'll be back today.
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Post Post #837 (isolation #71) » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:39 am

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Also...

If we have a 1-shot Cop, they should NOT claim -- unless they used their shot on anyone besides the Vigilante or myself (personally I'd rather be alive, confirming me just gets me killed)
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Post Post #842 (isolation #72) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:39 am

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Reck, what's your opinion on Sawyer?
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Post Post #844 (isolation #73) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:43 am

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In post 805, DeasVail wrote: When you're scum, don't you make sure your play makes sense? (ESPECIALLY with scumbuddies?) I'm still not sure because it just feels so off, but I'm doubtful as to the likelihood of Absta-scum being like that with a scumbuddy.

If Absta is scum, this is his first time as Mafia. I believe he has only been Town and SK before.
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Post Post #882 (isolation #74) » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:08 pm

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Absta, what other games have you played with Slaandar before this?
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Post Post #883 (isolation #75) » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:08 pm

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Also, I think my read on Shamrock is strong enough to call him town for now.
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Post Post #884 (isolation #76) » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:09 pm

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In post 882, BK201 wrote:Absta, what other games have you played with Slaandar before this?
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Post Post #920 (isolation #77) » Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:19 pm

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hmmmmmmm.
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Post Post #921 (isolation #78) » Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:40 pm

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In post 887, absta101 wrote:
In post 885, DeasVail wrote:
In post 879, absta101 wrote:No. A response like that is pointless as it could come from both town or scum.

So does this mean that you are putting thought into whether your actions look particularly town or not?
Yes I am.
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Post Post #922 (isolation #79) » Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:49 pm

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I'm thinking Shamrock and Sawyer are town.

Starbuck and Absta are scum.

DV as possible scum, but not with Starbuck or Absta.

VOTE: Absta

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Post Post #923 (isolation #80) » Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:51 pm

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If Absta is scum then I'm jailing Starbuck. I'm only announcing this on the off-chance I'm wrong and get killed.
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Post Post #932 (isolation #81) » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:47 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #933 (isolation #82) » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:49 pm

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Unvote only cus I don't like Starbuck's vote.

I'll give this game more time tomorrow.
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Post Post #1009 (isolation #83) » Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:50 pm

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hmmmm
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Post Post #1010 (isolation #84) » Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:09 pm

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In post 977, Shamrock wrote:Brandi I really think his jumping on/off the Nat wagon at the end of D1 (i.e. indecisive busing) is likely to come from newb scum.

I say this because in a game that just finished today, which was my first completed scum game since returning to this site, I did something very similar at one point and got correctly called scum for it. It was looking like my scumbuddy might be able to survive the day and so I tried tentatively pulling off some of the pressure I had on him and then it looked like it was swinging back the other way so I put it back on.

If Absta is scum I will jail DV.

But we have till the 19th, I at least want Absta to claim and allow for counter-claim if he claims PR.
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Post Post #1011 (isolation #85) » Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:09 pm

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^ I forgot I quoted that.
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #86) » Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:22 pm

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Though I do have jury duty on the 18th...

Absta needs to claim asap.
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Post Post #1112 (isolation #87) » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:54 pm

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I'm just going to go back to Nat associative tells.
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Post Post #1113 (isolation #88) » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:55 pm

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And I changed my jury duty to December, so I'll be able to vote/post tomorrow.
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Post Post #1119 (isolation #89) » Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:14 pm

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In post 1115, Purrfect Panda wrote:

1. Who is your top scumspects?

2. Who will you be willing to lynch before deadline if your scumspect does not have the votes ?

3. Who will you absolutely NOT lynch?
1. Absta, Starbuck, DV
2. Sawyer
3. Brandi, Panda, Shamrock
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Post Post #1155 (isolation #90) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:09 pm

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In post 527, absta101 wrote:I've got another interesting theory that i'll share tomorrow if Brandi turns out to be town (Assuming BK gets Nkd).
Explain.
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Post Post #1158 (isolation #91) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:42 pm

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One more for the town pile -- Sawyer. After looking carefully at some things both Nat and Sawyer have said, I find it hard to believe they would be scum together.
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Post Post #1159 (isolation #92) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:54 pm

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I am pretty sure there is at least one scum among the players who were casting doubt on me being alive. Gonna be looking at that as well but if Brandi or someone wants to help go ahead.
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Post Post #1160 (isolation #93) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:55 pm

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^ And the reason why is they kept me alive because they thought I was scummy enough to be lynched.
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Post Post #1161 (isolation #94) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:02 pm

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VOTE: Starbuck
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Post Post #1162 (isolation #95) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:02 pm

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This is the lynch.
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Post Post #1163 (isolation #96) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:09 pm

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When Starbuck flips scum I will be jailing DV.

Also, scum-Starbuck = town-Absta.
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Post Post #1165 (isolation #97) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:18 pm

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^ Scum don't have Daytalk. So unless they are cheating scum I don't think the timing there matters too much.
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Post Post #1166 (isolation #98) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:19 pm

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Forget what I just said, I misunderstood. Reck may or may not be scum, but he's not a top concern for me this phase.
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Post Post #1167 (isolation #99) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:21 pm

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Brandi please join me if you're not already voting Starbuck.
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #100) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:35 pm

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I'm not announcing who I will jail in the event of a miss-lynch, if that's what you're asking.
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Post Post #1173 (isolation #101) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:38 pm

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In post 447, Starbuck wrote:
Natalie

I do agree with the majority that you have done nothing but tunnel on Brandi/noraaa. Who else do you feel is scum?
Sounds like coaching.
In post 580, Starbuck wrote:Could someone go back over the Natalie case for me?

Is it just based on her tunnel of the noraaa/Brandi slot or is there more to it?
Sounds like downplaying Nat's scumminess.
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Post Post #1177 (isolation #102) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:03 pm

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In post 781, Starbuck wrote:
Code_X

In post 644, Code_X wrote:Although obviously the fact BK as claimed PR is alive is somewhat concerning...........

Very.


Brandi

In post 671, Brandi wrote:Who is to say who the vig killed and who scum killed?
IMO the Vig could have just as easily killed Slandaar.

I completely agree. BK trying to steer opinion as to who killed who gave me a super bad feeling.


DeasVail

DeasVail wrote:During the couple of days before you hammered Natalie, who did you want lynched/what did you think of the wagons?


I wanted absta and Scigatt/BK.

I'm still unsure of the Scigatt/BK slot, and it stems from the Panda hydra riding on the whole "we did this game before and scum would have to be stupid to pick those roles" schtick. BK claiming JK could easily be an elaborate farce. As I said above, I was not a fan of BK trying to steer opinion as to who the vig would shoot.

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Post Post #1178 (isolation #103) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:05 pm

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If we're lynching someone, I'm obviously going to announce who I will jail in the event that they are scum. Why? The reason should be obvious.
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #104) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:10 pm

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At some point, scum gave up on the idea of lynching me. Early in the day though? My lynch seemed possible. That's all I really need to say in response to that ^.
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Post Post #1182 (isolation #105) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:12 pm

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In post 1181, Starbuck wrote:
In post 1180, BK201 wrote:At some point, scum gave up on the idea of lynching me. Early in the day though? My lynch seemed possible. That's all I really need to say in response to that ^.


I didn't really get why scum would leave a PR alive. That's why I questioned your claim then.
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Post Post #1185 (isolation #106) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:17 pm

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I'm not sure I buy that you couldn't figure that out on your own. (based on the perceived intelligence I sense)

It's really basic WIFOM.

Anyways, you're not going to AtE your way out of this. If you're town you know the best thing to do.
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Post Post #1200 (isolation #107) » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:54 am

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Changed my mind on jailing DV in the event Starbuck flips scum...hmm

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Post Post #1201 (isolation #108) » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:55 am

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Starbuck, final thoughts on who is scum?
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #109) » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:56 am

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Ok if Starbuck flips scum I will go with the plan to jail him. Just want there to be a declared plan in case Starbuck does.
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Post Post #1204 (isolation #110) » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:57 am

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Her*

Starbuck? Who?
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Post Post #1208 (isolation #111) » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:05 am

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In post 1206, Starbuck wrote:I think DV and absta.

There's a lot of people saying that they won't lynch Brandi, she could be an option.

Now I'm definitely thinking Reck as well.

Vox needs to be looked into, what the fuck has he really added to the game?


I think the case on Sawyer is full of holes, but his absence here at the end of the day is not gonna help him tomorrow.
Brandi is town. I very much doubt that Nat has such forethought as to bus Noraa/Brandi like that. And those Noraa walls....no way.
Never kill Brandi.


Reck is an option.

Vox too.

I'm thinking Sawyer is town, but yeah that absence doesn't help.
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Post Post #1209 (isolation #112) » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:06 am

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Well I'm fine with lynching Absta tomorrow or whatever. Would explain that Slaandar NK. (I just thought it was too obvious to be true...fuck that)
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Post Post #1213 (isolation #113) » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:10 am

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How about the Vig kills Absta?
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Post Post #1215 (isolation #114) » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:11 am

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And don't answer that. I'm just letting you know he's free to kill cus I won't be jailing him.
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Post Post #1218 (isolation #115) » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:31 am

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In post 1217, absta101 wrote:I don't believe Starbuck is town. This is a way of confusing town whilst the mod is away.
You're going to be vigged.
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Post Post #1687 (isolation #116) » Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:39 pm

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gg everyone, good job panda + brandi
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Post Post #1688 (isolation #117) » Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:39 pm

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can we have the Mafia QT?
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Post Post #1692 (isolation #118) » Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:37 pm

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I liked the nerf axe.
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Post Post #1696 (isolation #119) » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:37 pm

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In post 1693, Brandi wrote:I really think BK and Slandaar were great this game.
Slandaar called out the scum team completely, and a lot of BK's reads are what helped me in the end.
In retrospect, this game was probably my best performance as far as reads. (besides Starbuck :p)
Slaandar called the scum team Day 1 lol.
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