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Bold is my emphasis. I just find it funny Monty told Nora to calm down followed by a vote.In post 57, MontyWhittaker wrote:And it DOES bother me that people would act like I'm waving my hands and screaming when I am doing no such thing.
No one has accused you of doing that, though they may if you continue to attempt to irrationally rationalize all the posts in this thread away. No one has accused you, no one has pointed a finger at you, and it could be that no one would have if you had not become defensive.Calm down for a second.
I didn't realize the term "investigation" was so loaded for you. You were asking questions, which I do think a good town player should do, when the term was first used to describe your game.
Whether it's scum behaviour to draw us away from a different conflict or an over emotional town, I don't know, but for now, I will
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I've "read" the whole game now. I will not be reading those ridiculous walls. I skimmed. Walls are anti-town.
Slaandar, Absta, Codex, and Brandi are townish.
Kyle, Nat, Starbuck, Shamrockand monty are scummy.
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I hate hydras. I was leaning scum but then I wasn't, I'll have to see why.In post 250, Slandaar wrote:BK: You have no opinion on the Panda?And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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I think Scigatt played fine. If you want me to respond to individual points I will.In post 251, Shamrock wrote:And no opinion on the case I made on your slot?
How about you take some time to format spaces in between your walls? And the only walls I skimmed were Noraa's and the responses to her walls. It felt like people were saying the same two things back and forth: 1. That AtE is genuine, she is town. 2. Scum can do genuine AtE, she isn't town.In post 253, Starbuck wrote:The sheer amount of laziness and lack of reading/scumhunting is sincerely boggling my mind. You can't call me scummy if you didn't read what I wrote.
Shit happens.In post 254, Shamrock wrote:Also I like how BK's five scumreads are four people who have expressed suspicion of his slot and a promising-looking bandwagon.
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@DV - No, I have not heard of "Amished tell". What's your point?
@Nat - Assume Brandi is town for a moment. Now what?
@Sawyer - Why don't you want Panda to claim today if you agree to Panda being vigged tonight?
@Shamrock - Assume I'm town for a moment. Now what?
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I don't like Slaandar directing the possible vig, because I don't think what Panda said was a slip.
@Everyone - Why exactly is what Panda said "blablabla vig me" a slip that there is a vig?
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I'll wait for Nat to answer before I explain since I asked her the same type of question.
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Now that Nat answered I'll answer. I just want to know what you two tunnelers (especially nat) will do when the player they are tunneling on flips town. I see it as a bs excuse to not really scumhunt, nat.
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people, those 4 I listed I don't really have cases on them, just overall vibes for now, if I had cases I would have shared.In post 450, Starbuck wrote:
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I have a small case on Sawyer actually, but its mostly my agreement with Absta's case.In post 459, Starbuck wrote:How can you be fine with lynching someone without making a case to show us just why they deserve to be lynched? You aren't winning any town points here.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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There's nothing wrong with agreeing with someone's case and not having your own. I already had a vibe, the case basically gives it form. I can link at least one recent game where I followed someone's case (was the first to follow it too) and lynched scum day 1.In post 462, Starbuck wrote:You can't push for a lynch on someone without providing a case of your own that doesn't parrot what someone else said without being viewed as scummy. We have 19 pages of information. There's plenty to make a case out of, if you tried.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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He wants Panda vigged without a claim. There is literally no town motivation behind that. I'm telling you I don't have my 'own' case, I completely agree with Absta's though.In post 470, Starbuck wrote:In your opinion, what makes Sawyer scum?And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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I don't recall Slaandar saying to do it without a claim.In post 474, Starbuck wrote:In post 472, BK201 wrote:
He wants Panda vigged without a claim. There is literally no town motivation behind that. I'm telling you I don't have my 'own' case, I completely agree with Absta's though.In post 470, Starbuck wrote:In your opinion, what makes Sawyer scum?
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In post 335, Sawyer wrote:In post 325, Slandaar wrote:UNVOTE: Panda
OK so heres the deal
Panda looks like he slipped, if he slipped there is a vig.
So if there is a vig, they shoot panda tonight and we lynch someone else, this completely sorts the slip out.
Sounds like it could work.
In post 331, absta101 wrote:Actually shouldn't Panda claim if he's going to get vigged?
No, I don't think he should. If he's scum he'd have way to many ways to get out of being lynched/NKed. And he actually insisted a Vig kill him. Hopefully he wouldn't do that if he were a PR.
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Brandi's latest post sounds like scum to me.
In post 334, Brandi wrote:Crazy? You mean scummy.
You essentially claimed scum.
It doesn't matter whether someone "thinks you are dumb enough to slip up" or not.
Scum slip all of the time. Scum get lynched for slipping. That appeal to probability doesn't mean shit.
If you are actually town and are pulling something like that- you are -directly- hurting the town with your actions.
I disagree. I'd say he actually helped town given the reactions he got (I agree with all of his reads on those posts BTW). It could've easily have gotten him lynched but responsible town wouldn't have lynched without an explanation and Slandaar was able to come up with a seemingly foolproof method of determining his alignment without using a lynch on him.
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If there is a vig- a stunt like that could have caused him to out himself. Do you know how anti-town your actions are?
Why would a Vig out himself just because Elmo says a vig is in the game? Elmo didn't claim Vig and he didn't make it sound like he was implying it either. That would make no sense whatsoever.
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But no- I don't buy it.
This is just a shoddy attempt to pull suspicion off of yourself by labeling it as a gambit.
There is no way you would do something so thoughtless as town without even discussing it with your other head.
Your post looks like a shoddy attempt to get on a wagon in a way that wont make you look suspicious. Even after Slandaars plan, you still want to use a lynch on Panda? I see no reason for that unless you can point out a fallacy in what Slandaar proposed.
Elmo modded this set-up last time, I was a player there. (would actually be kinda funny if I was lynched today since I was lynched day 1 in that game too.)
Of course if we have a vig, he should vig who he thinks is scummy, but with all the support for the vig panda plan, its not a long-shot to say that's what would have happened. With a majority of support, panda should have claimed since its likely the vig would go along with it.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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Nat is painfully obvious scum.
I myself have tunneled on a target day 1 as scum, which allowed me to not scumhunt elsewhere. All the way till deadline and then its easy to hop onto a compromise wagon.
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I explained in my last post and I have brought this up before. If you weren't scum maybe you'd remember.In post 514, Natalie wrote:
Can you please show how I am painfully obvious scum? And while you're at it, explain how you haven't picked up on this before? Why is it only a revelation when I put a vote on you?
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Here I try to see what Nat plans to do once she can't tunnel Brandi. Its not like I just noticed how obv scum nat is. How hard is it to literally tunnel on one player the whole phase and hop onto any compromise wagon as scum? Its great because you look like you were doing something when really you didn't scumhunt.In post 455, BK201 wrote:
Now that Nat answered I'll answer. I just want to know what you two tunnelers (especially nat) will do when the player they are tunneling on flips town. I see it as a bs excuse to not really scumhunt, nat.
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You're an idiot.In post 528, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:What retarded scum would ever put a JK in this setup. Seriously.
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One, the top paragraph is lolzybullcrap, I know you don't believe your own words there. Two, scum lining up lynches.In post 523, Sawyer wrote:
As for BK's claim, call me crazy but I don't believe it. I will unvote anyway for one day only. If he's still around tomorrow, I'm gonna vote for him again. The next in line on my scum list was Brandi. Now, since I don't believe BKs claim, I think he could be using reverse psychology by saying never to lynch Brandi (acting so sure of himself) in the hope that, if he dies and flips scum, we'll lynch Brandi thinking there's a connection.
Be sure to keep that in mind for tomorrow.
One of Brandi or BK has to be scum. Brandi insisted that she would die to catch scum, so she may be able to do that. Either she's scum and BK may be cleared (that'll be determined tomorrow) or Brandi's not scum and I'll almost definitely be voting BK tomorrow should he survive.
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You haven't explained why taking JK + 2-shot vig or taking JK period is risky for scum. Let's see if you have reasoning and weren't half-assly trying to get me lynched b/c 'scum would not pick JK'.
Also, why are you lining up lynches. Whats up with "One of Brandi or BK has to be scum"
And then your reverse psychology crap, that only holds any weight if indeed I am scum, but you use that as your reason to vote Brandi.
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I think its a good-tell. And I don't see how Nat is so crappy as town that she would almost literally only talk about one player from the beginning of the phase to the end. Its an excuse to not read the game [well] and to not scumhunt.
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Still think this line of reasoning is bs.In post 335, Sawyer wrote:In post 331, absta101 wrote:Actually shouldn't Panda claim if he's going to get vigged?
No, I don't think he should. If he's scum he'd have way to many ways to get out of being lynched/NKed. And he actually insisted a Vig kill him. Hopefully he wouldn't do that if he were a PR.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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I am town and all, but you know scum has two safe claims. (or just 1 if they didn't pick IC)In post 637, Purrfect Panda wrote:BK at this point, is in the town pile in my book as an un CCed PRAnd the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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^ Whoever I jailed is obviously NOT the Vig. Thus stating who I jailed narrows down the Vig pool.
If there were only 1 scum left, then I would state who I jailed since it clears them if the scum kill went through.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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Slaandar was on Nat like a fat kid on a cupcake. It was obvious he was town after Nat flipped, as he could have just gone for another wagon like yourself(panda).
He was also stating an absta/nat scumteam towards the end of the day; Which means they were protecting Absta or framing him, which creates WIFOM at the very least.
Slaandar is also a much more experienced player than myself.
And keeping me alive creates even more WIFOM.
There is also the chance that I roleblock town PR's or even protect scum from the vig, all while not being able to clear anyone since there are two scum left.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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I think you're on to something, but I want to point out that Nat did elaborate on Monty once after post 211.In post 643, Code_X wrote:
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Natalie - calls Monty scum in 211 - doesn't elaborate again doesn't throw a vote down/any kind of real pressure. Calls him scummy again in 341 but also tries to dissolve the wagon.
Looking at it though, it looks like a weak-bus.In post 341, Natalie wrote:
Monty is scummy for being worried about a possible conf-town (Slandaar), parking his vote on Nora, and then flaking. But his wagon does worry me since it is (or was) a pretty large wagon for a player with six posts.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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Do you have anything besides 'BK claimed JK and is alive'? Don't use this as an excuse to not scumhunt.In post 655, Sawyer wrote:
Otherwise, BK is still alive and with a Vig out there. Maybe scum is that risky in choosing both of those roles and by letting one of them live in hope of getting him lynch. But should all that go wrong, it would fuck them up bad, so I'm gonna guess they're not that big of risk takers.
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Panda is town. I don't think Nat is some genius scum who said this knowing she would die Day 1.In post 341, Natalie wrote:
And Slandaar's plan is pretty foolproof. Why would you still want Elmo to be lynched after looking at it? Unless you can find a major flaw in it, I don't see the town motivation in you wanting Panda dead.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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Did you miss Slaandar's reason? Which I'm sure netted a vote or two.In post 684, Sawyer wrote:In post 683, DeasVail wrote:My suspicion is based on your lack of attempt to better read the other lynch candidates and/or try to have some say in who gets lynched. Apart from your vote, you didn't seem to care too much about who was lynched. My theory is fear of any attempt to get Brandi lynched looking like an attempt to save Nat.
My feelings toward Brandi, Nat and Panda should've been obvious since they hardly changed through the day. I wanted Panda vigged and I didn't think Nat should've been lynched at all. I still think her wagon picked up speed way to fast and out of nowhere and I said as much yesterday. That should've made it clear I didn't support the Nat wagon at all. BK says she could be scum tunneling to avoid scum hunting and she goes from no votes all the way to L-1 within 3 pages.That one reason isn't good enough for me.I'm baffled as to how her wagon took off as fast as it did. Absta only voted her because BK said he was confident in his read, though absta ultimately realized that wasn't a good reason to vote her and unvoted. Even you were unconvinced of Nat-scum, but ended up putting her at L-1 with no indication that you had been swayed into thinking she was scum (to avoid suspicion, me thinks).
In post 582, Slandaar wrote:She is scum because of the way she hopped on BK after saying literally nothing about him all game.
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Brandi is confirmed town. Nora's AtE-walls and how Nat was discrediting them + Nat tunneling Brandi.
Panda is most likely town. At a time when Nat was safe, she encouraged the vig to kill Panda. She even said "Slaandar's plan is foolproof".And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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