Open 548-WiFom City: The Invasion (Over)

[Aisa]

VOTE: MTD
Your username, on the other hand, is

too

creative. What is it even supposed to mean?

[Aisa]

FoS on Profont.

"This coming from MTD" regarding the creativity is repeating what Aisa said, and sheeping Hoopla also seems to follow what others have said.

Not voting yet because wanna discuss with the dog

(and Sakura wagon is too good to leave)

~Wis

At least you have a reason to vote Profont. Your vote on Sakura is totally random.
Unvotes exist, so if your other hydra head disagrees, he can just unvote.
Why isn't your vote on Profont?
VOTE: Rottweiler

[Aisa]

It could be a scumtell. Needing to discuss a vote so early in the game doesn't make sense for town. But as scum, you don't want to jump on the first viable wagon, or maybe voting a person may be later seen as bussing, so you need to try to plan ahead.
But your reasoning makes sense.

Pedit:
Because town should give reason for everything they do especially voting. Until Hoopla gives a good explanation I don't want our vote to change.

-Beast

A good explanation? The only explanation I see is "It was an RVS vote".

[Aisa]

@Rottweiler: No, and in fact you didn't, you said you needed to discuss with the other head, which is more generic and allows more room for interpretation than planning ahead.

And I actually said "Needing to discuss

a vote so early in the game

doesn't make sense for town." I'm not saying that discussing in general is a thing only scum does. You're making it sound way more extreme.
My generalization doesn't hold true for you? Fine, just point it out, I'm not going to lynch you based on a single piece of evidence.

[Aisa]

So you're basically taking your "accusation" back?

Why are you not commenting on anything else? Such as profont's posts?

~Wis

Yes, I am.
I already recognized I was wrong in post #62, when I said "But your reasoning makes sense".
UNVOTE: Rottweiler

Your post was the first thing that jumped out to me. I was going to have a second more detailed look, but then I got busy in RL.
Profont's posts were mildly hypocritical and opportunistic, but just about every wagon coming out of RVS is. There is just so few stuff to comment on that no wagon will be 100% reasonable.

@Rottweiler: No, and in fact you didn't, you said you needed to discuss with the other head, which is more generic and allows more room for interpretation than planning ahead.

And I actually said "Needing to discuss

a vote so early in the game

doesn't make sense for town." I'm not saying that discussing in general is a thing only scum does. You're making it sound way more extreme.
My generalization doesn't hold true for you? Fine, just point it out, I'm not going to lynch you based on a single piece of evidence.

Didnt you pretty much vote us over a single piece of evidence?

Confused

Woof
~dog

Voting ≠ Lynching

Dragon Alliance (Beast)

was being clearly hypocritical, but it doesn't tell me much. It could be town or scum.
I don't think it is a towntell for the reasons Hoopla stated. I could call it a weak scumtell, because it could be scum hiding behind a poor reasoning.

@Aronis:

What makes you think that DA is town?

[Aisa]

@MTD: Because I don't really have scumreads.
I guess I could put my vote somewhere for pressure, though.
VOTE: Profont

Also, this felt off to me too, especially the "sooo yeah" - those words didn't need to be there:

In all seriousness tho, it's just some sort of thing with ns that he's always obvtown soooo yeah.

What's the bottom line?

[Aisa]

VOTE: DA

If he gets to L-1 before page 10 whoever's on the wagon is town

That's really WIFOM.

Why did you vote for us?

I don't really understand you question. Proph doesn't like the way the extra words are used to pad Sakura's post. I disagree, as the extra wording seems to be a normal part of Sakura's posting style.

Partly random vote, but I also don't agree with Proph's stance on Sakura and wanted to get a better feel for the reasoning behind it.

My question means "What does her extra wording tell you? Do you think that is scummy?"

profont's vote on aronis is v. bad (protip: scum will avoid admitting scuminess as much as possible, not blithely announce it as soon as someone questions them)

What makes you believe that? How likely do you think that this is indeed the case with Aronis (and that he isn't trying to trick us all)?

[Aisa]

@Zek-

Idk why he did that, a reaction test is all I can think of right now.
Or perhaps he is scum looking for an excuse to make his partner(s) on the Sakura wagon looks more townish. That's unlikely though.

The other thing is that he put himself in a situation where he has the player list as town. That's not a very convenient situation for scum to be in, so I guess he is town.

[Aisa]

I'll give this game more attention tomorrow.

Quick question:
@Font, do you think that Aronis randomly picking some town reads is scummy? Why/why not?

[Aisa]

@Mod: After how much time do you prod players? I can't seem to find that in your first post. Anyway, I think Aronis is definitely due for one.

profont's vote on aronis is v. bad (protip: scum will avoid admitting scuminess as much as possible, not blithely announce it as soon as someone questions them)

What makes you believe that? How likely do you think that this is indeed the case with Aronis (and that he isn't trying to trick us all)?

like, basic common sense? scum are trying to hide the fact that they are scum. that's kind of the entire basis of the game.
i think if Aronis is trying to trick us into thinking he is a competent town player, he is doing a pretty piss-poor job of it.

what do YOU think of Aronis?

Admitting to doing something scummy is not a scum claim. What I'm saying is that your point is WIFOM. If admitting scumminess is seen as a towntell then it becomes a viable move for scum too.
He is null. I'll have a more clear idea after he answers this:

People want me to give reads early in the game

Who are these "People" exactly?

Because we spend time arguing and then gauge how people react to it

How do you expect people to react? I know you're not seriously arguing with Rottweiler. I know your reactions and opinions during this time will be fake, so I won't have anything to comment on.

[Aisa]

Unofficial

votecount

(For my, and possibly others' convenience. Titus, I'm sorry for stealing your job! And you shouldn't trust me, there is probably a mistake somewhere.)

[L-6] Sakura Hana - Rottweiler
[L-6] Rottweiler - notscience
[L-3] Dragon Alliance - MTD, Hoopla, Sakura Hana, iamausername
[L-6] notscience - Shockwave Rider
[L-6] Profont - Aisa
[L-6] Aronis - Profont
[L-6] MTD - Dragon Alliance

Not voting: Aronis, ABR

@ABR:

Who do you suspect? Also if you're going to lurk in this way it might be actually better if you replace out.

@DA:

Why just place your vote on MTD like that? Why aren't you trying to convince other people to vote him, too?

Official Votecount 1.05 provided below

[Aisa]

Vote Rottweiler

Perhaps you said something in the deleted posts, but I don't remember. Why did you vote them?

let's leave beast alone and lynch sakura
~Wis

Why should we? I think I recall it was something about her meta, is that true?

[Aisa]

It's not like sakura to be so apathetic when wagoned.

You do realize that it's actually quite the opposite?

Unvote
Vote: Rottweiler

What about the other points Rottweiler made against you? For example, the fact that you discredited his reads without even reading them?

[Aisa]

@Ns:

I remember you were reading Sakura as town. What do you think of Rottweiler's accusations?

[Aisa]

really not feeling this rottweiler wagon. if we absolutely must dismantle the beastcharizard wagon (and i'm far from convinced that we must), can we lynch Aisa instead?

like, is Aisa giving off any indication that she gives the slightest crap about who gets lynched today? has she offered any opinion on any of the prospective lynches on the table? has she offered any opinion on

anything

?

UNVOTE: Beastcharizard
VOTE: Aisa

c'mon

I offer opinions when I think they will be useful. As it is now, I just don't have a strong enough scum read on anyone to push for a lynch. I was trying to figure out the Sakura situation, since I have no idea what her meta is.
I don't agree with the DA/BC wagon, but my perplexities have been adequately pointed out by other players. You yourself have said that the wagon is declining, so my intervention was unnecessary.
I don't know why people are voting Rottweiler.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

@Sakura:

This is because you're making it impossible for me to discern your alignment. I'll go through the links you posted when I get time. But let's suppose that Wisdom is wrong about your meta. I still have a problem with how you are denying the town information.

[Aisa]

@MTD:

You are a pretty solid townread. Hoopla is another.

@ABR:

Well, you must be quite convinced that Rottweiler is scum since you're just voting him and not asking people any questions. I wonder why you aren't trying to get more people to vote him then.

Sakura's replace out looks out of place. She was relatively cool until #296, then her attitude changed suddenly and I just don't understand why did she get angry

in that precise moment

. Her reaction is disproportionate to Wisdom's post, as already pointed out.

also, sakura's ragequit is 100% town.

Why do you think so?

[Aisa]

Iam, that's

your

interpretation of my intents. It's not the only possible interpretation. You're being way too sure in your read.
That being said, I don't deny that I've done scummy things. I even believe I deserve to be today's lynch; my play was not good at all.

My vote is on Sakura/GreyMarble because, you know what, I still believe her reaction is fake.

I'll try to get you guys a read list tomorrow.

[Aisa]

VOTE: notscience
Well then. I'm going to try my best to do better than I did Day 1, starting with a complete reread + opinions on everyone tomorrow.