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I don't get it. Roy Mustang maybe? BK201 uses electricity though, not fire.
Until now? Or are you Fire?In post 9, SnarkySnowman wrote:My name may be Ice related but I've never rolled Ice in this setupSalty from last game? No really you have to forgive me though.
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Just suggesting people share any ideas on how to semi-break the game. Of course it's up to scum, but I was thinking Doctor claiming at some point would cause a dilemma for both scum teams since they would both want to NK the same target. Not right now, but at some point in the game it might be safer that the Doctor is out in the open causing both Mafia kills to fizzle on him, rather than leave it up to luck and be NK'd.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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I completely agree with your case on Realeo, but I cannot consider anyone town just for lynching scum since this is multi-ball.In post 93, Transcend wrote:This is your formal invitation to become powertown with me.
Do you accept?
Select all that apply
[] Yes
[] No
[] Maybe
[] Applesauce
But yes I choose Applesauce.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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Elaborate.
I disagree.In post 122, Transcend wrote:
THAT IS SUCH A REACH BROIn post 118, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Because he's just voting the person he noticed while skimmingIn post 117, PenguinPower wrote:
Why is Io one of your stronger scum reads?In post 116, Gamma Emerald wrote:I am not confident you are scum, though it is one of my stronger reads atm
Explain to me how my votes are naked? And what about my reply to #93 is weird to you? And weird = scummy?In post 133, Joshz wrote:rv -> shitpost -> setup discussion -> two naked votes -> #93 which felt like a weird reply to me and prompted this vote initially -> fillerAnd the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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I voted Culted right after he posted a couple things, it should be obvious my vote was reflective on those posts. And if you read my next post or two after my current vote, you can clearly see I have reasons. So how can you ignore that and act like my current vote is 'naked'? Also you should answer my question you ignored. No offense, but are you new or something?
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I don't like this post.In post 177, Realeo wrote:Hold on a second. Isnt gamma emerald one of those "on impulse player"?
That incentivizing bad thinggy prolly nai.
What is this about?In post 178, Realeo wrote:UNVOTE:
I mean, not mafia, remember GE in Mislead 2 and his scum read @ NJAC?And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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What's the point in asking this question?In post 181, Realeo wrote:Do I dissappoint you?And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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In post 180, BK201 wrote:
What is this about?In post 178, Realeo wrote:UNVOTE:
I mean, not mafia, remember GE in Mislead 2 and his scum read @ NJAC?And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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You have yet to have the power to disappoint me. I would have to really think you're town and then find out you're scum in order for that to happen. This bares no relevance to anything, so there really was no point in asking me this filler question.In post 188, Realeo wrote:
I take that as a yes.In post 182, BK201 wrote:
What's the point in asking this question?In post 181, Realeo wrote:Do I dissappoint you?
I understand that. Tell me about the meta you're referencing.In post 188, Realeo wrote:In post 182, BK201 wrote:
This game is meta heavy so I am making meta comparison and looking for meta validation.In post 183, BK201 wrote:In post 180, BK201 wrote:
What is this about?In post 178, Realeo wrote:UNVOTE:
I mean, not mafia, remember GE in Mislead 2 and his scum read @ NJAC?And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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I'm not seeing what you're seeing. And for some reason I feel like you just like lynching Gamma on Day 1 since you got him in open 658. Why is Realeo lynchbait? You like to use that word.
FOS Io. And all I'm going to say is I could see anybody avoid busing in this set-up.In post 190, Io wrote:Realeo is just, can't really think of the word right now drawing blanks, regardless I'm the same way so I don't see it as scummy since I do that just always. Literally the only somewhat scummy thing I can think of him is the somewhat defense of gamma which doesn't even strike me as scummy because I don't see him the type to avoid busing and white knighting as scum.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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What is that even supposed to mean? Game-shaping?In post 266, culted wrote:
This is less game-solving and more ... game-shaping (?) Can't think of a better word.In post 262, nn30 wrote:Sheeping is bad. Therefore, I scum read Bk201.
Sheeping is scummy. Scum must have sheeped onto the Culted wagon. Let's look for the guy who sheeped.
Golden retrievers were clearly not taught to read where you're from.
I don't think hunting for someone hunting for a specific team is realistic. I'm wondering if you actually believe that. FOS Gamma.In post 332, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Just look for people whose actions don't fit a town objective. See if someone hunts a certain team, for one.In post 329, nn30 wrote:@Peanut gallery/Gamma (since you tend to answer me) - how exactly am I supposed to scum hunt in this game? Scum can scum hunt (since there's another team to look for). Usually I try and figure out who's trying to solve the game but that's kinda not gonna work here.
I suppose I could look for who's defending one another... That may be worth a little more in this setup than in a simple TvS setup.
VOTE: NN Town reads Transcend only to OMGUS scum-read him when Transcend votes for him.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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What do you think about my case on NN?In post 342, Realeo wrote:
applause.In post 297, Gamma Emerald wrote:Everyone scumreads me for no apparent reason
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Do you find that scummy?In post 349, Realeo wrote:Like at one point, nn30 punish play style and at one point seems more understanding to play style? I don't have problem with him punishing or understanding, because that can be nn30 play style--but the two approach seems contradictory. Maybe this is Appeal To Newbieness but??And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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In post 354, Realeo wrote:And for your case BK, that "OMGUS" is not mutually exclusive come from scum.
I mean, BK201, do you scum read N_M? Because he OMGUSed me back in early game. I don't see exact distinction between N_M' omgus and NN'omgus
NN goes from a town-read based on "meta dive"....In post 247, nn30 wrote: Transcend is a town read - I meta dove him a while ago and this feels like his town game.
Only to throw that all of that out when Transcend votes him. Like Trancend's town meta = he doesn't vote NN, or what? It just seems like bullshit. And the line about acting like he is going to get lynched just seems like an unauthentic transition, just being dramatic so he doesn't get lynched.In post 263, nn30 wrote:@Town - If I get lynched in the next ~5 hours, look to Transcend and Culted.
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NN is flailing.
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He's lucky the other mafia didn't get a lucky NK on him, or get lynched since you're not conf town for bussing your partner in this set-up.In post 454, Transcend wrote:Firebringer bussed his partner in the FNI i hosted.
He won.
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You know that makes zero sense, let's stay on topic. NN is scum. Rory possible partner. I think Rory is scummy even without looking for connections to NN.In post 459, Transcend wrote:Course i did bus the mod in this game on day 1 but she got dayvigged. I was planning to unvote. ;-;And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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AtEIn post 464, nn30 wrote:
*shrug*In post 462, Transcend wrote:
I guess I'm scum because I'm not confbiasing you.In post 457, nn30 wrote:See? Willful ignorance.
You're scum or town with conf bias goggles on.
Which is it?
I've tried to see you as town, i really have.
It's just not happening.
I've done all I can to convince you.
Lynch me then.In post 465, Transcend wrote:Errrr you sound upset that i fos you
Yet you're voting me and your death wish is for me to get lynched
Why does me voting you upset you
AtE + implying that Transcend (the person you are voting) and yourself have the same wincon. I think this is a scumslip. In the next post NN unvotes Transcend because he probably realized how what he just posted is scummy given the situation.In post 466, nn30 wrote:Because I'm town.
And town getting mislynched goes against our win con.
Your push on me dismisses my defense as BS.
My final wish is that you get lynched because I think you're scum pushing on me.
The 'I've done all I can to convince you' line should have been explicitly directed at town rather than you.
His defense of NN felt off to me so I looked at his ISO. All he is doing is defending people, and defending himself. If you defend someone they are more likely to town-read you. He does not seem to be genuinely scumhunting.In post 486, Kmd4390 wrote: BK, can you be more specific about Rory? What in his ISO looks bad? Also, I was waiting for gamma to answer you first because it was directed at him, but after the first scum flip, you can find scum hunting only one team. Before that, not so much.Spoiler:
This sums up my thoughts.In post 521, Kmd4390 wrote:On nn, it's more about the switch to Transcend for me than about his own lynch. He's perfectly cool with Transcend being town for meta reasons until Transcend votes him. Then suddenly Transcend is scummy? I don't buy it. It seems more like blatant OMGUS than genuine suspicion. The progression just isn't there and the only thing that changed is Transcend suspected nn.In post 538, nn30 wrote:
I didn't like that he color coded it. The last time I saw that was from scum trying too hard. I may have over reacted.In post 534, Realeo wrote:Thx
2. When Transcens presents readlist , you flipped. Why quality of read list > meta dive.
I've been meta diving since I joined the site and I've yet to do it correctly. I'll figure it out at some point, and I probably won't stop doing it because once I do figure it out I'll be unstoppable, but until then anything I get from meta is going to be weak.Areyoukiddingme??ThatissoridiculousIcannotbelieveyouthatyouevenbelieveyourselfscum.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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I'd appreciate it if you let people answer questions for themselves next time. Slight FOS.In post 579, culted wrote:I believe he's saying that some of nn's reads feel real while others don't.
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In post 586, Realeo wrote:Bk201 for town conftbias.In post 594, Kmd4390 wrote:BK, fair enough on Rory. That post where he says Gamma and Realeo are scum and they other team is probably inactive kind of sounds like only hunting one team too. Why is his post about Transcend scummy though?
Did you not read my recent posts? Check the spoiler button from my post for my thoughts on Rory.In post 642, Joshz wrote:
does anyone still on the nn wagon want to change to rory/gamma? if not, care to explain if/why you still think nn is scum if anything has changed?In post 575, light_ganski wrote:Official Vote Count 1.8
nn30 (4): culted, BK201, Not_Mafia, Kmd4390
Rory (2): Joshz, Io
Gamma Emerald (2): Transcend, nn30
Transcend (2): Gamma Emerald, SnarkySnowman
Joshz (1): Rory
Not Voting (2)- Realeo, Aristophanes
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You have (expired on 2016-12-22 21:19:39) until deadline.
people not voting, get on a wagon please. i think the two wagons that should happen today are gamma and rory, but if you want to get on nn or transcend fine.
aristophanes, bk, nm in particular, id like to see some thoughts from you if possible. even say you dont have reads if you genuinely dont, but at least say something.
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I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. What does conf bias mean???? Nobody used this buzzword a year ago (as far as I know). Second game back and people use this all the time. I didn't bother to ask last game because I was scum, and well I didn't care lol.In post 586, Realeo wrote:Bk201 for town conftbias.
The whole "If you are scum I will never townread you again" line just seems like something scum would say given how early the game is, I don't think he has had any reason to townread Transcend so confidently. Doesn't seem authentic.In post 594, Kmd4390 wrote:BK, fair enough on Rory. That post where he says Gamma and Realeo are scum and they other team is probably inactive kind of sounds like only hunting one team too. Why is his post about Transcend scummy though?And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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I understand now, thanks for clearing that up.In post 646, Kmd4390 wrote: BK, confirmation bias is basically being so sure that you're right that you think things support your arguement when they may or may not. In mafia, say you scum read someone. Confirmation bias is seeing scummy behavior in all of their posts that may or may not be there where someone town reading them also dealing with confirmation bias may see town intent in the same posts.I understand why NN is there. Mind giving me some explanation for the other 3, besides gut?
I didn't even get on my laptop while I was sick. I feel fine now. And according to your definition of conf bias, I do not match the description.In post 658, Realeo wrote:Conf bias: where someone accuses someone first and dig evidence later to proof accusation.
I believe you have confbias, especially of your fever. Fever makes player not optimal.
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I felt the day was ending a little too fast, wanted to see what would happen, and I think Rory is scum.
Do me a favor and look closely at his ISO and what he has really been doing.In post 676, Realeo wrote:I can't understand wagon on Rory. My biggest problem with Rory is I can't fully understand his stand.
Since Rory wagon vanished out of thin air. VOTE: NNAnd the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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This should be good.
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I see this questioning as scummy because I feel like my thoughts are transparent. I think Rory is more likely to be scum than you, so I'm voting Rory in hopes people will listen. I'm a little impulsive with my posting sometimes, which is why I voted you only to change it. It's literally my thoughts on paper.In post 712, nn30 wrote:
As fun as it is to dismiss what I've asked as fluff, I'm asking with a purpose. I can't reveal that purpose as it would poison the ability to learn what I want.In post 708, BK201 wrote:^ Should be obvious. FOS NN for useless question that only serves as fluff.
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It's scummy if you already know the answer to the question you're asking, and are therefore just asking it for attempted towncred.In post 714, nn30 wrote:
1) Why is this line of questioning scummy fypov?In post 713, BK201 wrote:I'm a little impulsive with my posting sometimes
This is what I was looking for btw. I feel that town are more likely to be impulsive. Not enough to erode my scum read on you, or course, but it's a tick in the towny direction.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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Correct.In post 730, Gamma Emerald wrote:He says he can see how I got to my read.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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Fine, the one scum I found from him. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=GoIn post 738, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okay this needs explaining.In post 737, BK201 wrote:I'm now scumreading NM, his own meta working against him now.
Willing to lynch Rory, NN, or NM.
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I don't think anyone is policy lynching here.In post 747, Realeo wrote:L3T US 4V01D 3M0T10N4L / P0L1CY LYNCH.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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I'm flattered, nobody's tried to policy lynch me for being good before. Are you actually this paranoid of me though, I find that a little difficult to believe? Your attempt to policy lynch me is suspicious because I find it hard to believe you're actually paranoid of me. Why go for a policy lynch right now? Do you not have anyone you think is scum? And to be clear you doIn post 754, Io wrote:Right now, I think BK is scum.
Problem I have with BK is that as scum he plays really cautious. As in he tries a lot to blend in and he is good at it.
I'll admit the only cause for concern I've seen from him so far is 725 could have just been a subtle attempt to grab small townslip cred.
The only reason I'm not to worried on making a scum read on just that is that in the game I hosted he didn't slip up at all until late game, even then it was brushed over by every one else.
I feel like that was an attempt to solidify an early town read position for him. I'd like to have him taken out now.
VOTE: BK201notthink I'm scum, youaresuggesting a policy lynch based off my supposed skill. Turns out I'm pretty good at town too.
Also I wouldn't call forgetting this is multi-ball a town-slip. So it can't even be an attempt at a town-slip. Scum can forget things too. I really don't get why town-IO goes for the policy lynch. It's easier to see scum-IO taking advantage of modding last game with me, in your extensive Mod notes you never implied I was some god at scum, so I don't get how town-IO dropped all scumhunting and goes for policy lynch. Get your shit together if you're town, you seem smarter than this irrationally paranoid character you are all of a sudden portraying.
@NN trying to take advantage of this strange policy lynch is laughable.
VOTE: NN L-1
Got you scum.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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So both mafia teams have to be dumb enough to have listened to Josh, or more likely both shot me or Transcend. I think I put myself out there for mafia.
And Josh, If I was mafia I wouldn't be so stupid as to target obvious Transcend nkfailbait because of the fire/ice mechanic. You have Io trying to fear lynch me, do you really think I'm stupid if someone is that afraid of my mafia skills?And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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BK201 Mafia Scum
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