Open 672: Friends and Enemies and Enemies: Music on a whim

[Superhans]

or provide multiple posts if you want to be a huge try hard

[Superhans]

Notice: Weekend V/LA

Noted.

This was pointed out by Realo but want to make it clear to ThinkBig so he can't miss this.

Dear ThinkBig,

You outed yourself as Mason D1 meaning that you have effectively fucked yourself,
and more importantly, the effectiveness of a mason team D2. The

only

silver
lining is that you have power to act as Innocent Child today. You have not made a
useful post since you went VLA in post 888. It is now 1386. You are the only player
who town can safely follow, yet you may as well not be here. You are going to
have wasted your life. There are only two days until deadline. Get workign.

Best wishes,

Superhans

[Superhans]

Does anyone say Jin buddying? I thought both Cass and me said that we do not (really) buy the "180 mafia" and we have different reason (for me Joey_ townreading, for cass, too rational)

why are you scum reading TRG then?

[Superhans]

SuperHans, your reading comprehension is destroying you, especially that you ask for TL;DR and "elevator pitch"

elevator pitch was last game, and i stand by it.

My 'TLDR' is only necessary to players who don't effectively format their arguments, e.g. no clear introduction, and in Cass case unbroken text that forms a impenetrable wall of text.

[Superhans]

Does anyone say Jin buddying? I thought both Cass and me said that we do not (really) buy the "180 mafia" and we have different reason (for me Joey_ townreading, for cass, too rational)

why are you scum reading TRG then?

The exact reason why I scumread is on THAT sentence that you quote.

I do not accept "cite it for me" request. If you requested TB to get working, so do you.

I didn't fuck the mason team with a ridiculously early and unnecessary claim.

And I deeply apologise for I am struggling to actually understand your logic:

"for me Joey_ townreading, for cass, too rational"

would you mind explaining again for I am ever so stupid.

[Superhans]

That elevator pitch caused you to scumread a town and I warned it before hand. Do reconsider it.

elevator pitch is irrelevant this game. doesnt apply at all.

[Superhans]

iv never actually heard this stereotype that British people are supposed to confuse people... never mind.

"For me Joey townreading"

If i understand you correctly, you're stating that because you town read Joey, you scum read TRG? Have you considered that they may both be town? Are you saying that because you town read Joey, you agree with his arguments on why TRG is scum?

[Superhans]

Okay i get your logic, but i really really don't think it is worth a lynch. Think that a little bit of meta-diving (fite me Cass) could either prove or disprove Cass' claim that his rational behaviour is indicative rather than flavour.

As for your reasoning: "I scumread him (TRG) for townreading Joey"
Well i again i must be terribly stupid because I don't understand this either. Is this argument different to the argument that TRG was buddying Joey?

[Superhans]

@Gin: Can I have your readlist, please? For someone that promotes "No lynching", you must be nulling everyone.

+1 this

Not a fan of this no lynch idea. think that it may happen regardless of what anyone wants, just due to the level of lurking.

On the otherhand, iv never actually played a game where there hasn't been a lynch achieved so what do I know?

[Superhans]

show it to me Realo.

[Superhans]

do you think that this strategy should be applied here?

also @Mod will we be getting an extension to accommodate for Joey being kicked?

[Superhans]

show it to me Realo.

Please do read my ISO. If you're going to scumread me for the same silly reason you scumread Desperado, I am afraid you have to learn the hard way.

For real tho. can you get it for me. i dont know what im looking for. you do.

[Superhans]

@Gin can you answer the question that you ignored from Realo?

[Superhans]

@Tenshii, im not going to lynch Laud today because TB is against the wagon. fighting against a conf. Mason makes zero sense.

[Superhans]

i do agree that we shouldn't assume that Laud is town, however, i think that we should focus on him tomorrow. (i know that you are passionately opposed to this idea, and i understand why. I respect your push on Laud, but there is only 2 days left and i dont think its worth pushing on him anymore.)

[Superhans]

@Gin can you answer the question that you ignored from Realo?

If he could post them again I'd do it cuz I don't remember what they are.

you gotta get them questions Realo

[Superhans]

Kill Lowell

[Superhans]

Read my case on him in my ISO

[Superhans]

Eh even you don't believe your case on me. You just think you should. Your heart knows I'm town.

You taunting me? My entire case on you is how fake you are, and how illegitimate your pushes are.

[Superhans]

@TRG
I want to lynch Lowell because I think hes the best bet of being scum.

My main argument is because of his push on Nebula. I haven't commented on his push on Realo before, but from reading his ISO, think it is also an example of scum behaviour.

Lowell push on Realo

Lowell plays the first half of the game this incredibly lazy low effort low impact posts. His first push is on Realo didn't make sense to me, and I don't think I even noticed it at the time.
This is his logic for the Realo push:

Why is real scum?

Real is scum because of the way he responded to your claim. While others were all "OMG joey is the WORST OMG" or, "meh, I don't know, but actually might not be that bad," realeo stayed out of the fray and had a too-polished response. His post about why outing mason isn't so bad bleeds with frustration.

His push on Realo doesn't make sense, and I think he knows it. He acknowledges that it is weak and accuses other players of being scum for pushing him because of it. His logic on Realo is sketchy to begin with, but he doesn't try and improve upon it or interrogate Realo, instead he just bangs on that we should be lynching Realo, why isn't anyone pushing Realo etc:

Is the realeo wagon happening or what? I'm tired of waiting, someone needs to die.

He is trying to portray himself as hunting a player who he sees as scum, but this is not what happened in reality.

Lowell push on Nebula

791 and 792 go together splendidly. Let me guess that cass isn't worried about this particular compromise mislynch.

791 is scum crocodile tears.

VOTE: nebula

I have no read on this guy right now. But I do like new wagons.

He doesn't even bother to produce a valid reason for pushing a player, just jumping onto Nebula because it is 'new'. Think this is scum trying to paint himself as an incredibly lazy town.

If you believe 791 is an example of scum crocodile tears, surely that means you have a scum read on Cass, yet you choose to vote for a player you have no read on. That doesn't make sense at all, and I can see you avoiding Cass because you're scared she may fight back and get you lynched. Jumping onto the Nebula wagon without reasoning smells like scum choosing the easiest route possible.

Seriously? I've been fighting about cass in almost literally every post. Here's how it goes. I call her scum, she posts some ponderous case on me 797, no one cares, rinse, wash, repeat. You want me to do that forever? I'm out for blood, here, and if nebula is the new "it" wagon I'm there.

He says he has been fighting Cass, which is true (although not very well imho) but what I don't understand is if he identifies Cass as being scum, why isn't he voting for her? I think it is due to scum motivation of going for the easiest route possible - Nebula, a player who isn't actaully active to call him out for his bullshit.

His pushes r trash, I don't agree with anything he has said.

The first person who says this about me in any game is scum. Sheer opportunism.

Is this post genuine? no evidently not. if he is sure im scum, why is his vote still on Nebula?

Going VLA

A few days ago Lowell goes VLA. He plays the matyr card whilst doing so.

Well I'll be gone for the weekend so you have a two-day head start. Enjoy.

This is indignation station. if i were town and had been playing like he had been playing, i would be apologising at this point and promising to not play like a little shit rather than playing as a persecuted town.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I know this is kinda pathetic of me to say, but I have absolutely zero town reads this game besides ThinkBig. I had two fat town leans on Realo and Cass, but now i'm really not sure at all. I think your behaviour during the clash with Joey is town, and think that the scum argument pushed by Joey, Realo, Cass, Laud and Lowell is incorrect. The argument to push you as scum is effectively you flipped from buddying Joey to attacking him to try and save yourself. I do not see this at all.

I think Laud is most likely town but equally I can understand the town motivation behind what Tenshii is doing.

I think Realo is also most likely town, more likely than Cass, but I think he needs to stop following Cass.

Cass needs to keep doing Cass, but I would urge her to reconsider TRG.

No idea what Donkey Kong is doing besides getting blazed in the corner and not helping at all. Did not like the cross vote DK and Alban had on each other, as it really isn't helpful at this point in the day, so I'm pleased hes moved his vote onto Lowell but equally could be a different scum team.

Idk what is going on with Alban, i think he's being replaced for lurking?

Revan is playing exactly like hes playing in our previosu game which is bloody annoying. think he is scums blessing or is scum himself. Think if he wants town to actaully win hes going to have to start playing the game.

Vote count 1.8

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (3):

Joey_

?, Lowell, cassielle [L-4]

Lowell (3): Superhans, Realeo, Big Lungs DK [L-4]

Realeo (1): ThinkBig [L-6]

Laudandus (1): Tenshii [L-6]

Big Lungs DK (1):

alban

? [L-6]

Tenshii (1): Laudandus [L-6]

Not voting (2): Revan, TheRealGin-N-Tonic

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2017-02-16 23:30:00)

Let me know if you see errors in the VC, please.

If you are a player pushing TRG I want you to explain more clearly why.

If it is because of his buddying of Joey, please try and elaborate more clearly at what point he exhibits this buddying.

Literally no one (bar Realo) has even commented on this.

[Superhans]

And it took me like 15 mins to write

[Superhans]

If Lowell isn't killed tonight, then he should be lynched tomorrow.

Kill him today. It's not yet a lynch. Move ur vote.

[Superhans]

Realo you voted for Joey following Cass voting Joey. Also I got the sense you were nodding along faithfully to everything she said like a little poodle following its owner.

[Superhans]

LQ Joey replacement TtTt is also not voting.

[Superhans]

@MOD: you have real voting for two people

Alright, I reread a bit.

TRG: you've framed my case badly. This is not really anyone's fault, when I think about it, just a fact of how the human brain works. So let me break down my case. Pay SPECIAL ATTENTION to number 6.

1: You are the one who brought "town mean manner" vs "scum mean manner" up. This means that you are the one who believes that is the case. (I personally do not -- I've seen vicious ad hom from town, like Joey_ for example.)
2: You then followed the letter of it as town without following the spirit of it -- e.g., you used the mean manner you adopted as a means to beat Joey_ with (I named some examples) but didn't use harsh words for direct/outright ad hom. This is a scumtell by /your/ criteria, but requires a careful eye to spot.
3: I will note that 2 can be explained by anger and 1 is NAI -- as of this point.
4: If you /had/ fallen explicitly (e.g. by the letter) into your own description of a scumtell out of anger, you probably would have gotten towncred after people grilled you about it for a bit. That's a slightly risky gambit for scum to make (especially in a multiball), and you don't strike me as a confident player -- you're very cautious. Needless to say, you did not do this -- which makes you look a bit scummy, but it isn't enough for a vote all on its own.
5: When the heat turns down, you immediately state your intention to go lurky because you don't want to be scumread because of being angry. This is explicitly appearance-conscious gameplay, which is always (AFAIK) considered a scumtell. Enough for a pressure vote, but not a lynch vote. So why am I lynchvoting TRG?
6: Tack on both of Realeo's cases against the slot. These are the real deciders, because they color the rest of this from "nullscum" to "why are people townreading this?" By itself, the appearance-consciousness case is weak. But Realeo's case WRT TRG's nearly-instant badtown read on Joey_ (keeping in mind it took me about two full hours in realtime to hit that conclusion myself and some people were scumreading him for a good 4 or 5 hours) and TRG's oddly specific/confident reads on multiple slots without any real exposure to those slots under pressure -- those are the real meat of the scumread I have. Everything else (1-5) is a supporting case that I guess people are focusing on because I'm the only one who has it -- and so I spend a lot more time explaining it, and it looks like it's the only reason I have. It's not, it's not even the most important.

I fucking hate posts like these. Can anyone actually read this shit?

As for content of post:
Seems forced. Feels like ur desperately trying to pursuit your fading wagon on TRG.

[Superhans]

Point 2 and 4 are especially shit.

[Superhans]

@Mod who Lowell voting?

[Superhans]

@Realo @Caas
Pre-flip speculation:
Who do you think is Lowell's scum partner if he flips scum?
Who do you think is scum if Lowell flips town?

[Superhans]

Can I 1v1 this guy? It feels like there's no way to gain any traction here. Realeo's pedantry is so scummy people.

IV played with Realo before (TB can testify). Realo's pedantry (pedantic-ness) is NAI.

[Superhans]

I think I might just re-read the first 5 pages and gut-read today's vote.
unless someone wants to make an actual concise case

How about ThinkBig, conf Mason, helps you choose who to vote? Safest bet. TB can present a choice of the largest wagons for u to choose from.

I'm not comfortable with your vote being random because it means you have effectively divorced yourself from accountability.

[Superhans]

@tb think you can facilitate this? Least u can do for fucking the Mason team.

[Superhans]

L1

[Superhans]

I fucking hate posts like these. Can anyone actually read this shit?

As for content of post:
Seems forced. Feels like ur desperately trying to pursuit your fading wagon on TRG.

No. I keep skimming them

That said, I can't imagine putting this level of effort into a case in this setup unless you really scum read them, so it's probably earnest

VOTE: Lowell

Wut

[Superhans]

U think if I churn out enough shit I can't be sxum?

[Superhans]

No one hammer until TtTT can place a legit vote.

[Superhans]

Open 672: Friends and Enemies and Enemies: Music on a whim

Player list

alban

Hellfire Missile

ThinkBig
Revan

Shannon

cassielle

Lil Uzi Vert

Tenshii
Lowell
Big Lungs DK
Realeo
nebula
Joey_
Superhans
Laudandus

STRIKE

denotes replaced

Spoiler: Alive=12

alban

Hellfire Missile

ThinkBig
Revan

Shannon

cassielle

Lil Uzi Vert

Tenshii
Lowell
Big Lungs DK
Realeo
nebula
Joey_
Superhans
Laudandus

Spoiler: Dead=0

Spoiler: Links of interest

Tenshii replaces Lil Uzi Vert
TheRealGin-N-Tonic replaces nebula

Current Gamestate:

Day 1 Starts!

Spoiler: Mod Kills

I really don't want to do this.

I'm absolutely fine with Revan if it's a policy lynch. The
Honk his behaviour is completely NAI and will continue to be so until the game ends (unless he starts posting).

Thanks for reminding me. Updated OP.

[Superhans]

1: Laud's townread on me for making a complex case is garbage.
2: Superhans's case against me for making a complex case is even more garbage.
3: I type the way I type. I have done everything possible to make my posts readable, if it's not enough then you are shit out of luck. I can't see anything wrong with it myself, and I don't understand how I could possibly make it more clear.
4: To Superhans specifically: I have told you once already, in the first 3 pages in fact, that there is no call for that sort of response to my posts. If you continue to attack me because you personally have trouble reading something I put a lot of effort into making readable, I will be forced to scumread you to prevent a repeat of the last game I played on this site, where I was pocketed by a scum player because they made the game completely unfun for me. This is to protect town from my inability to handle people attacking me instead of my play, and not because it's strictly a scumtell.
5: Finally, /I don't scumread TRG anymore/. Did you even read the posts after that post or are you trying to push a pointless scumread to save Lowell?

On this basis: if Lowell flips scum, my favorites are Joey_'s slot (Joey_ and Lowell were pretty well tied together with how their arguments worked) or Superhans's slot (this push on an explanation for a read I no longer even agree with has no other sensible explanation).

You don't get it do you

[Superhans]

Laud and I have admitted to skipping your posts because they are so badly formatted. I'm sure we're not alone.

[Superhans]

Cass I'm interested in how Joey and Lowell were tied together because this is the first I've heard about it.

Can you provide evidence for this?

[Superhans]

Funny I thought that you were scum reading TRG from that post, because of how unearthed and garbled it was

[Superhans]

Unclear not unearthed

[Superhans]

{Big Lungs, Realeo,}

{Superhans, Lowell, cass, ThinkBig}

{nebula, Joey_, Tenshii, alban}

{Laud}

Revan you made this post in 260 and suggested scum could be in: "Nebula, Joey, Tenshii or Alban".

Do you have a more up to date list of possible scum?

[Superhans]

{Big Lungs, Realeo,}

{Superhans, Lowell, cass, ThinkBig}

{nebula, Joey_, Tenshii, alban}

{Laud}

Revan you made this post in 260 and suggested scum could be in: "Nebula, Joey, Tenshii or Alban".

Do you have a more up to date list of possible scum?

@TRG
I want to lynch Lowell because I think hes the best bet of being scum.

My main argument is because of his push on Nebula. I haven't commented on his push on Realo before, but from reading his ISO, think it is also an example of scum behaviour.

Lowell push on Realo

Lowell plays the first half of the game this incredibly lazy low effort low impact posts. His first push is on Realo didn't make sense to me, and I don't think I even noticed it at the time.
This is his logic for the Realo push:

Why is real scum?

Real is scum because of the way he responded to your claim. While others were all "OMG joey is the WORST OMG" or, "meh, I don't know, but actually might not be that bad," realeo stayed out of the fray and had a too-polished response. His post about why outing mason isn't so bad bleeds with frustration.

His push on Realo doesn't make sense, and I think he knows it. He acknowledges that it is weak and accuses other players of being scum for pushing him because of it. His logic on Realo is sketchy to begin with, but he doesn't try and improve upon it or interrogate Realo, instead he just bangs on that we should be lynching Realo, why isn't anyone pushing Realo etc:

Is the realeo wagon happening or what? I'm tired of waiting, someone needs to die.

He is trying to portray himself as hunting a player who he sees as scum, but this is not what happened in reality.

Lowell push on Nebula

791 and 792 go together splendidly. Let me guess that cass isn't worried about this particular compromise mislynch.

791 is scum crocodile tears.

VOTE: nebula

I have no read on this guy right now. But I do like new wagons.

He doesn't even bother to produce a valid reason for pushing a player, just jumping onto Nebula because it is 'new'. Think this is scum trying to paint himself as an incredibly lazy town.

If you believe 791 is an example of scum crocodile tears, surely that means you have a scum read on Cass, yet you choose to vote for a player you have no read on. That doesn't make sense at all, and I can see you avoiding Cass because you're scared she may fight back and get you lynched. Jumping onto the Nebula wagon without reasoning smells like scum choosing the easiest route possible.

Seriously? I've been fighting about cass in almost literally every post. Here's how it goes. I call her scum, she posts some ponderous case on me 797, no one cares, rinse, wash, repeat. You want me to do that forever? I'm out for blood, here, and if nebula is the new "it" wagon I'm there.

He says he has been fighting Cass, which is true (although not very well imho) but what I don't understand is if he identifies Cass as being scum, why isn't he voting for her? I think it is due to scum motivation of going for the easiest route possible - Nebula, a player who isn't actaully active to call him out for his bullshit.

His pushes r trash, I don't agree with anything he has said.

The first person who says this about me in any game is scum. Sheer opportunism.

Is this post genuine? no evidently not. if he is sure im scum, why is his vote still on Nebula?

Going VLA

A few days ago Lowell goes VLA. He plays the matyr card whilst doing so.

Well I'll be gone for the weekend so you have a two-day head start. Enjoy.

This is indignation station. if i were town and had been playing like he had been playing, i would be apologising at this point and promising to not play like a little shit rather than playing as a persecuted town.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I know this is kinda pathetic of me to say, but I have absolutely zero town reads this game besides ThinkBig. I had two fat town leans on Realo and Cass, but now i'm really not sure at all. I think your behaviour during the clash with Joey is town, and think that the scum argument pushed by Joey, Realo, Cass, Laud and Lowell is incorrect. The argument to push you as scum is effectively you flipped from buddying Joey to attacking him to try and save yourself. I do not see this at all.

I think Laud is most likely town but equally I can understand the town motivation behind what Tenshii is doing.

I think Realo is also most likely town, more likely than Cass, but I think he needs to stop following Cass.

Cass needs to keep doing Cass, but I would urge her to reconsider TRG.

No idea what Donkey Kong is doing besides getting blazed in the corner and not helping at all. Did not like the cross vote DK and Alban had on each other, as it really isn't helpful at this point in the day, so I'm pleased hes moved his vote onto Lowell but equally could be a different scum team.

Idk what is going on with Alban, i think he's being replaced for lurking?

Revan is playing exactly like hes playing in our previosu game which is bloody annoying. think he is scums blessing or is scum himself. Think if he wants town to actaully win hes going to have to start playing the game.

Vote count 1.8

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (3):

Joey_

?, Lowell, cassielle [L-4]

Lowell (3): Superhans, Realeo, Big Lungs DK [L-4]

Realeo (1): ThinkBig [L-6]

Laudandus (1): Tenshii [L-6]

Big Lungs DK (1):

alban

? [L-6]

Tenshii (1): Laudandus [L-6]

Not voting (2): Revan, TheRealGin-N-Tonic

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2017-02-16 23:30:00)

Let me know if you see errors in the VC, please.

If you are a player pushing TRG I want you to explain more clearly why.

If it is because of his buddying of Joey, please try and elaborate more clearly at what point he exhibits this buddying.

TTTT this is my case on Lowell.

[Superhans]

bascially he is not genuine

[Superhans]

@cass, homeboy don't accuse me of playing against my wincon. I've been lynched D1 too many times and had folks wake up the next day blaming me for it with "Ugh, well, he shouldn't have been so scumy, screw him." You want to lynch me, own it and deal with the consequences of looking like a dumbass. My lynch is on YOU, not me. I've given lots of opinions--so many that half the time they contradict themselves. For this I am proud. You leave some lurky rube around instead of me? Fine, if you think I'm scum. The whole case against me is basically I'm too loose with my opinions and have no consistency. Gin actually said something like "only scum are carefree." Uh, okay.

im okay with meta. can you provide your last 3 town games plz?

[Superhans]

Revan is waay to easy to lynch. he is lynch bait.

[Superhans]

im also very keen to see Lowell lynched today...
if we approach deadline and Lowell wagon isn't happening, i promise i'll move my vote onto Revan.

[Superhans]

Calling someone lynch bait is bloody stupid.

I find this person really scum, I'm just going to call him town lynch bait.

That's horrible practice.

Lynch the people that are scummy, as they are most likely bloody scum.

he was 100% lynchbait int he game i played with him as scum. virtually everyone in the town was scum reading him, and it was a miracle he was able to survive being lynched.

[Superhans]

although tbf even if he is town, he won't help us at all, and only provide a scape goat late game for scum...

VOTE: Revan

[Superhans]

i want him to also produce his latest town games to see if he was telling the truth about usually being lynched D1

[Superhans]

VOTE: revan
It's him or me, the world will never be the same!

@cass, homeboy don't accuse me of playing against my wincon.

I've been lynched D1 too many times and had folks wake up the next day blaming me for it with "Ugh, well, he shouldn't have been so scumy, screw him." You want to lynch me, own it and deal with the consequences of looking like a dumbass.

My lynch is on YOU, not me. I've given lots of opinions--so many that half the time they contradict themselves. For this I am proud. You leave some lurky rube around instead of me? Fine, if you think I'm scum. The whole case against me is basically I'm too loose with my opinions and have no consistency. Gin actually said something like "only scum are carefree." Uh, okay.

@gin, congrats on using your powers of confirmation bias to detect scum and town on page 1 random votes. Wish I had thought of that. Reverse engineering cases is much easier than making them. Join the present.

The revan vote here is, basically, I don't have any thoughts on this guy. And it's page 68. Also because someone else started it and I like bandwagons.

Lowell find a vague example of this from your recent games.

[Superhans]

Gorillaz :O

im supper pumped for the next album which is coming out this year, hopefully in a few weeks.

fav tracks:







and oc clint eastwood

Yeah, I heard they were coming out with a new album through Consequence of Sound.

[Superhans]

Either way, let's 1v1 tomorrow.

I dunno. Boredom? And you're starting to annoy me.

That's too harsh. No. Just the boredom thing.

This doesn't come from scum

reeally don't see why it would come from town either.

Lowell provide examples of when you were allegedly lynched D1 because of overtly scummy behaviour.

[Superhans]

UNVOTE: Revan

Looked at the vc and realise Lowell is pushing Revan, the easiest player to push on in the game. Potentially a move from town who seriously does think Revan is our best bet of being scum, but also could be scum just going with what they see as the onlyw ay of surviving.

[Superhans]

VOTE: Lowell

[Superhans]

for the record, im not against lynching Revan, think he deserve rope too.

[Superhans]

playing to my "loose" theory?

Define loose

willing to jump around votes and reads
without being concerned with how others view him

disagree that this is a town read. NAI at best

[Superhans]

Open 672: Friends and Enemies and Enemies: Music on a whim

Player list

alban

Hellfire Missile

ThinkBig
Revan

Shannon

cassielle

Lil Uzi Vert

Tenshii
Lowell
Big Lungs DK
Realeo
nebula

Joey_

TTTT
Superhans
Laudandus

STRIKE

denotes replaced

Spoiler: Alive=12

alban

Hellfire Missile

ThinkBig
Revan

Shannon

cassielle

Lil Uzi Vert

Tenshii
Lowell
Big Lungs DK
Realeo
nebula

Joey_

TTTT
Superhans
Laudandus

Spoiler: Dead=0

Spoiler: Links of interest

Tenshii replaces Lil Uzi Vert
TheRealGin-N-Tonic replaces nebula
TTTT replaces Joey_

Current Gamestate:

Day 1 Starts!

Spoiler: Mod Kills

I really don't want to do this.

Are you joking @Lowell?

[Superhans]

Did not mean to quote that :/

[Superhans]

We on L2 I think

I think hammering players need to be 2 out of:
Realo, TTTT, TRG or Revan

[Superhans]

One of whom is most likely scum partner if Lowell flips scum.

[Superhans]

One of whom is most likely scum partner if Lowell flips scum.

Disregard this, haven't considered Alban or Big Lungs

[Superhans]

Revoking all my reads

[Superhans]

Realo probably town cos Cass flipped VT.

[Superhans]

@Mod is BigLungs getting replaced?

Please bold your requests itt.

[Superhans]

@mod - replace me, should have asked sooner, just been so busy lately

@

Mod

Big Lungs is not coming back.

[Superhans]

I'm sorry for being wrong about Lowell :/

[Superhans]

What?

[Superhans]

Before I explain my scumread

Revoking all my reads

would you explain why? Is there something big going on?

Revoking my scum read on you and Cass because of Lowell flipping town (Cass obviously because of her flip).

[Superhans]

Ok I just skimmed past few pages my scum reads are Revan and SH

Realo do not post your scum logic on me quite yet.

@EagerSnake,
Why do you think i'm scum?

[Superhans]

You better ask dreamal as well.

+1
yup

[Superhans]

Realo why do you think Cass was killed last night?

[Superhans]

my slot pings? Give an example of how.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but Lowell was not pushing me late D1, he was scum reading a range of players for bullshit reasons.
I've already apologised for the Lowell lynch, and no doubt there were scum on his wagon, but I don't think you can scum read me just for getting it wrong. he was also lynch bait as hell, and was playing truly terribly.

[Superhans]

explain why my slot pings.

[Superhans]

because from my perspective it looks like you joined the game, saw Realo voting me and decided to blindly follow, unaware that he hadn't actually articulated his case against me.

i don't think you actually

have

a reason to scum read me.

[Superhans]

Ok I just skimmed past few pages my scum reads are Revan and SH

k so these are completely gut. great about as helpful as a Teapot made of icecream.

[Superhans]

not concerned about the fact that you only have gut, more the case that you sheep Realo for what you presumably think will be a low resistance lynch.
Btw there are 4 scum in the setup, so you need 2 more reads.

[Superhans]

Ok I just skimmed past few pages my scum reads are Revan and SH

Interesting. I'm at about page 20 and they are my top SRs at that point. Sorry I'm not more caught up, I'll get there though, soon!

y?

[Superhans]

also i do need to get defensive, cos if im lynched twon is fucked.

9 (5 town 4 scum)

if you lynch me, and scum shoot both masons, scum insta win.

[Superhans]

so fuck off with 'don't be defensive' buzzword bullshit.

[Superhans]

so fuck off with 'don't be defensive' buzzword bullshit.

[Superhans]

Felt that Realo and Cass were resisting my push on Lowell, and I thought they wanted to push Revan because he was a weak target. Obviously i got that completely wrong.

[Superhans]

Does the TB mason flip confirm Laud mason? Shit, then

well TB was obvs mason yesterday, i dont think it changes that much. If Laud wants to be confirmed mason he could always claim. i think it is safe to say that he is mason. think Tenshii may disagree with me (?)

Personally i would avoid Laud today.

[Superhans]

wtf are all of these people replacing out anyway?

Answer my question

[Superhans]

assuming you're not scum TRG... i didn't think you were yesterday, but only because i scum read Joey and Cass.

[Superhans]

scums are just laying back, they are both in pretty sweet positions but it's going to stagnate, is stagnating, if ppl don't get off their palms and type some shits

I'm trying...

I'm still waiting for you to answer my question before Realo can explain his read.

ANSWER ME

[Superhans]

I think we should trust Lowells read and lynch Revan.

We heard you the first time...
Also you need to suggest who you think the other scum team are.

[Superhans]

Realo don't

[Superhans]

Dreal is sheeping you. Replaces in, sees your vote and jumps onto my wagon because of my 'tone'

What about my tone is AI?

[Superhans]

Don't play the replacement card. You've had days to catch up, ask me questions etc.

[Superhans]

How have I been anti-teamwork?

[Superhans]

K Realo u can give me your case now

[Superhans]

it's not just your tone that is AI, it's your non-teamwork-attitude in its entirety, you are trying to dictate what happens, push it how YOU want it to go, control - scummy, through and through, especially combined with this rhetoric you're now using

Explain on this part, please. Finally you're talking.

It's meaningless.

[Superhans]

Hmm?

[Superhans]

I really don't see how that's anti teamwork :/

[Superhans]

Cos it's rhetoric no explanation. No examples whatsoever.

[Superhans]

In post 1865
I call your explanation as to why I'm scum 'meaningless'.

This is because you label me as being anti teamwork, controlling etc. However, you don't give ANY examples from the game.

[Superhans]

I'm fairly sure I had more than one scum read yesterday although I adl acknowledge I tunneled on Lowell and didn't consider other players as I should have.

Dreal is right in the sense that I did scum read Cass but weak that her NK incriminates me. Also the micromanaging thing is how I play. Realo can vouch for that at least.

I'll provide a read list tonight.

[Superhans]

I thought my position on Revan was fairly clear. He is lymchbait either way as scum or town. I'm not objecting to his lynch at all.

[Superhans]

If you put it that way, that kinda makes senses. He called me "following Cass". Maybe he thought I am town who is following scum!Cass.

But still meh...

I did

[Superhans]

@Realo check all my games for cntrl f '?' think you'll be surprised.

[Superhans]

i acknowledge the fact i was defo tunnelling. i guess i was scared that scumCass were trying to divert the wagon off of Lowell and onto Revan and i felt that if i comprimised Lowell would survive.

[Superhans]

Assuming Realo + Laud are town

4 scum within:
{Revan, Dreal, TRG, Tenshii, Eagersnake and TTTT}

POE means that there are only 2 town within the 6.

i'm fairly sure there is at least 1 scum within {EagerSnake and Revan} although i doubt they're the same team. I'd be happier lynching EagerSnake tbh. I know my lenient stance on Revan is going to get me lots of shit, and honestly i don't benefit at all from trying to defend Revan, cos hes not going to improve his playstyle.

[Superhans]

so yeh thats where i am today. i'll look into my read on Dreal, TTTT, Tenshii and TRG tonight.

[Superhans]

ill elaborate tonight

[Superhans]

i acknowledge the fact i was defo tunnelling. i guess i was scared that scumCass were trying to divert the wagon off of Lowell and onto Revan and i felt that if i comprimised Lowell would survive.

Assuming Realo + Laud are town

4 scum within:
{Revan, Dreal, TRG, Tenshii, Eagersnake and TTTT}

POE means that there are only 2 town within the 6.

i'm fairly sure there is at least 1 scum within {EagerSnake and Revan} although i doubt they're the same team. I'd be happier lynching EagerSnake tbh. I know my lenient stance on Revan is going to get me lots of shit, and honestly i don't benefit at all from trying to defend Revan, cos hes not going to improve his playstyle.

0/2 on lowell/snake

Discredit me all you want.

[Superhans]

VOTE: Revan

K i think by POE more than likely its Revan.

[Superhans]

Wanted to lynch snakey over Revan because of his opportunistic jump onto me, him banging on about Revan without any original reasoning and his general lack of content.

[Superhans]

will unvote Revan if he can tell me who town are.

[Superhans]

trying to pressure him into giving us his reads.

[Superhans]

don't reveal Mason.
Also don't lynch Revan, EagerSnake can do that tonight

UNVOTE:

[Superhans]

we don't need to reveal Mason this early in the day. would make sense to wait until the last minute of today.

[Superhans]

so scum can't tailor their readlists.

[Superhans]

TOWN

{Realeo, eagerSnake, Lowell, Tenshii, Drealmerz7}
{TTTT, Superhans, nebula}
{Laudandus, TheRealGin-N-Tonic}

SCUM

This is about where I stand right now.

Y is eager able town?
Y is TTTT scum?
Y is I scum?

[Superhans]

VOTE: Revan

[Superhans]

...Yeah, let's get Revan. Seems like he's trying to minimally contribute and I don't really have a great reason to be voting Superhans anymore

VOTE: Revan

How do you try to minimally contribute?

Is Laud just lmgus?

[Superhans]

POE TRG is scum.

[Superhans]

easy as fuck

{TRG, TTTT, Tenshii}

I agree Tenshii is likely partnered with Revan, but i think our best shot at hitting werewolf would be TTTT or TRG.

VOTE: TTTT

[Superhans]

wtf is a white flag gambit?

[Superhans]

That's a scum claim.
VT has no need to claim at day start
when that only forces masons to out
But thanks to Gin not realizing this we can actually go to night without them claiming now
VOTE: Gin

So this implies that you're not a VT nor a mason, since there is one VT slot left, that means you're scum.

Also it's well known since yesterDay that I've been claiming VT and hunted the last two VTs

It implies none of that
I'm VT but didn't want Masons to out so left it open
You "claiming VT since yesterday" is not at all town-motivated
You are confscum and I'd self-lynch today to prove it if I knew you were maf.
Can't 1v1 you though if you are wolf

B U S S I N G

[Superhans]

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

K we need to convince scum to work with the town. If no scum votes then there will be no lynches. town is fucked if that happens.

[Superhans]

@Tenshii if you vote for a werewolf then you have a shot at winning tommorrow. vote for TTTT with me.

[Superhans]

or TRG

[Superhans]

OR a no lynch will give scum an opportunity to shoot each other.

[Superhans]

VOTE: no lynch

[Superhans]

Lean TRG / TTTT

TTTT is my favorite lynch today

Who do you townreading?

[Superhans]

Open 672: Friends and Enemies and Enemies: Music on a whim

Player list

alban

Hellfire Missile

ThinkBig
Revan

Shannon

cassielle

Lil Uzi Vert

Tenshii
Lowell

Big Lungs DK

eagerSnake
Realeo
nebula

Joey_

TTTT
Superhans
Laudandus

STRIKE

denotes replaced

Spoiler: Alive=6

Lil Uzi Vert

Tenshii

Big Lungs DK

eagerSnake

nebula

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Joey_

TTTT
Superhans
Laudandus

Spoiler: Dead=6

Lowell

Hellfire Missile

ThinkBig

Shannon

cassielle
Revan

alban

drealmerz7
Realeo

Spoiler: Links of interest

Tenshii replaces Lil Uzi Vert
TheRealGin-N-Tonic replaces nebula
TTTT replaces Joey_
End of Day 1
drealmerz7 replaces alban
Start of Day 2
eagerSnake replaces Big Lungs DK
End of Day 3

Current Gamestate:

Day 4 Starts!

Spoiler: Mod Kills

I really don't want to do this.

No lynch is auto town win

[Superhans]

scum lynch each other right, they know who they are so they'll lynch each other and town wins.

[Superhans]

has Tenshii claimed mafia?

[Superhans]

What happens if there is 1 town 1 mafia 1 werewolf left? is it a draw?

[Superhans]

Waiting on the other Mason. As honorary mafia, I want to hammer.

Honorary mafia?
Proof of fakeclaim

Tenshii is a wolf

Gambit, fool

[Superhans]

Scum Tenshii + TTTT
Mafia TRG + Revan

makes sense because all throughout D2 TRG was hard defending Rev, even until the end.

[Superhans]

@Mod what happens is there is 1 town, 1 mafia, 1 werewolf?

[Superhans]

2 - He has provided input. He has a fucking meta for dodging quesitons and just playing the way he does.
3 - And you're just not gonna consider him being bad?

TTTT is town, as Joey_, CloudKicker is a lurksack, ghoster as scum. I know I'm town and if you're not a mason and you're telling me he is town, then that means you are scum.

This post really makes me sick to the stomache thinking about things in hindsight.

[Superhans]

Superhans, I didn't hard defend Revan. That was Tenshii. The only thing I did was wait to hammer like Revan asked because he said he would produce content. I was going to hammer before you did it >_>

P-Edit: What's cute about that post is that I correctly applied knowing I was a VT to deduce that both Revan and Tenshii were scum aligned

Read between the lines. you obviously knew what was gong on because you were scum motivated, as you have played throughout the game, way to much confidence for my liking.

[Superhans]

N O N C H A L A N T
D I S R E S P E C T
to players like cass from the get go .

[Superhans]

Right now I'm looking at Revan as a likely scum

WHY DIDN@T YOU LYNCH HIM!!

[Superhans]

Also it's well known since yesterDay

if its well known state another player who identified this?

[Superhans]

That's a scum claim.
VT has no need to claim at day start
when that only forces masons to out
But thanks to Gin not realizing this we can actually go to night without them claiming now
VOTE: Gin

So this implies that you're not a VT nor a mason, since there is one VT slot left, that means you're scum.

Also it's well known since yesterDay that I've been claiming VT and hunted the last two VTs

[Superhans]

^full quote.

[Superhans]

answer my questions.

[Superhans]

1) Why didn't you vote Revan when he was your largest scum suspect?
2) Give me an example to back up the ridiculousl claim that it is known from the get go that you have been hunting town. i don't think i've heard any other player every say this.

[Superhans]

And its interesting that Cass and Realo both sided with Joey over you, which makes me think you're not aligned with scum TTTT.

[Superhans]

i think you're more likely to be paired with Revan than Tenshii, because you can't be partnered with TTTT.

[Superhans]

1) Why didn't you vote Revan when he was your largest scum suspect?
2) Give me an example to back up the ridiculousl claim that it is known from the get go that you have been hunting town. i don't think i've heard any other player every say this.

I'm going to yawn every time a question can be answered by my ISO.

i think your lack of response is revealing enough.

[Superhans]

@Snake

Why did scum kill Drealz, yesterday?

[Superhans]

hmm?

[Superhans]

hans u haven't had a correct read yet tho

wdya mean?

[Superhans]

I ACTUALLY READ SOMETHING IN CONTEXT!!!!

So yeah Lowell is sketch and probably deserved to be lynched when he voted for Realo even tho they completely agree. That's horrendous.
Also I do see the contraindication. When reading it, if Lowell does contradict himself, and it's used to damn another person, I find that scummy.

Like you scum reading Revan and not voting, you also scum read Lowell, and didn't vote.

I think you deliberately avoided committing yourself because you realised he was town,a nd didn't want to be on his mislych wagon,.

[Superhans]

can you answer questions on mechanics? or is that too boring too?

[Superhans]

no ones engaging with my no lynch idea... i dont see why it can't make town win.

[Superhans]

Well, the possibilities is that both masons die. Literally killing me is a fool's errand because, if I die, that means the masons knows for a fact who the scum are.

Then there is the possibility that scum try to kill each other but then that means there is one WW left and 3 town and GG town.

Which scum in their right mind wouldn't shoot at each other?

[Superhans]

[Superhans]

can Mafia win at all?

[Superhans]

I'm confused

[Superhans]

also if mafia can't win why bother play?

[Superhans]

Tenshii is faking it.

[Superhans]

i think

[Superhans]

who wins if it is 1 v 1 v 1?

[Superhans]

@Tenshii, *DID* you claim Mafia? or is it just a misinterpretation?

[Superhans]

@Mod

In a 1 v 1 v 1 scenario, is it a 3 way draw?

[Superhans]

Okay lynch me as werewolf,

Tenshii, you can draw with us by shooting Laud

TTTT will shoot Eagersnake,

Tommorrow we lynch TRG and draw.

[Superhans]

if you back stab us then we'll both lose

TTTT don't fuck over Tenshii either. I REALLY don't want town to win.

[Superhans]

Need confirmation that this has been read. Will spam this for the next few pages so that the message is preserved.

pedit stop being a mong TRG, i have been playing so poorly this entire game, it doesnt take sherlock homes to identify me as scum.

[Superhans]

also it should be piss easy for you since you KNOW the three scum, and Tenshii praticaly claimed Mafia.

[Superhans]

For Tenshii

Its been fun playing with you. Neither Werewolf of Mafia have an opportunity to win (unfortunately) however, we have an opportunity to kick Towns butt together and reach a satisfying draw
Please shoot tonight:

Laudandus

For TTTT

Sorry if I have misplayed the scenario and you felt that lynching TRG was within reach. I obviously can't consult you mid day :p
Please shoot tonight:

EagerSnake

[Superhans]

For Tenshii

Its been fun playing with you. Neither Werewolf of Mafia have an opportunity to win (unfortunately) however, we have an opportunity to kick Towns butt together and reach a satisfying draw
Please shoot tonight:

Laudandus

For TTTT

Sorry if I have misplayed the scenario and you felt that lynching TRG was within reach. I obviously can't consult you mid day :p
Please shoot tonight:

EagerSnake

[Superhans]

For Tenshii

Its been fun playing with you. Neither Werewolf of Mafia have an opportunity to win (unfortunately) however, we have an opportunity to kick Towns butt together and reach a satisfying draw
Please shoot tonight:

Laudandus

For TTTT

Sorry if I have misplayed the scenario and you felt that lynching TRG was within reach. I obviously can't consult you mid day :p
Please shoot tonight:

EagerSnake

[Superhans]

For Tenshii

Its been fun playing with you. Neither Werewolf of Mafia have an opportunity to win (unfortunately) however, we have an opportunity to kick Towns butt together and reach a satisfying draw
Please shoot tonight:

Laudandus

For TTTT

Sorry if I have misplayed the scenario and you felt that lynching TRG was within reach. I obviously can't consult you mid day :p
Please shoot tonight:

EagerSnake

[Superhans]

Tomorrow you can lynch TRG together.

[Superhans]

If a no lynch is reached instead of me being lynched then I'd urge Tenshii to shoot WW, we'll shoot Laud, then tomorrow would be 1 V 1 V 2 and we'd agree to a no lynch and shoot town together at night making it a draw.

If that makes sense.

[Superhans]

VOTE: Superhans

Whatever happens, no lynch/lynch, Town will lose if you follow my scheme.

[Superhans]

whoop whoop

[Superhans]

feels great, thanks so much Tenshii for not being greedy and stealing the victory from us, can't believe TRG was willing to play against his wincon just for revenge.

[Superhans]

@TTTT

I want to hear whether you thought me claiming werewolf was the right thing to do... apologies if you thought we could win it.

[Superhans]

VOTE: Tenshii

VOTE: TRG

Equally big up TTTT for not back stabbing Tenshii.

[Superhans]

even tho it was technically against our win con.

[Superhans]

I don't count this as mafia & werewolf draw. Town draws too.

They go to night and x kill and it's a draw since everyone's dead.

well you're wrong.

I would rather Mafia win completely than you think this is a town win.

[Superhans]

it was super fun playing with you TTTT, you were super pro.

[Superhans]

@LQ fun game

good moddign.

[Superhans]

Which is how I see this game as ending. Scum went to night and cross killed so it was a draw. A 3-way draw.

S O R E
L O S E R

[Superhans]

Which is how I see this game as ending. Scum went to night and cross killed so it was a draw. A 3-way draw.

S O R E
L O S E R

I didn't lose though; it was a draw.

dude you didn't draw... Scum coordinated to deny you a draw.

[Superhans]

you lost

[Superhans]

yee agree not a good mechanic, but tbh there wasn't really an alternative.

3 scum had to claim 1 VT slot, which was obviously TRG.

[Superhans]

So why was I a N1 NK, and who did it?

Me

[Superhans]

Cos you generated a lot of content.

[Superhans]

HQ content (or at least town thought so)