Open 691: Jungle Republic (ENDGAME)

[Titus]

VC please

[Titus]

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

Also claimed mafia

-T

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

Random completely out of context sheep.

A50 guarantees ww lynch.
Dunker knows he can get two back to back lynches if A50 wrong. If A50 correct, zero accountability sheep. No questioning either. I like this vote and will follow.

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Guys; let's lynch Tails. If this doesn't flip a WEREWOLF I get speed lynched on D2. Any takers?

This guy seems legit. everything he's saying makes sense, his wagon seems scum driven and I like his style.
VOTE: Tails

Why don't you try this again with more thought.

You could just join the wagon.

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I like Almost better.

Almost50 always gets wagoned and I would like the opportunity to read you both without pages of back and forth in between. I want to see whether his push on you is a desperate attack on you or genuine and I want to see if you can generate original content outside of him.

[Titus]

...
Fine.

Unvote
Vote Brie

Why Brie over dunker?

Same for you wisdom?

[Titus]

What exactly was wrong with Dunkerdoodles placing a second vote on Tails??

It was his rationale, or lack thereof. I explained that when I voted him.

Why are you attempting to argue my vote was somehow arbitrary?

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Hey, Titus, what's the odds that Generation X is scum here?

Multiball is hard to tell. I need more posts. If they sign, I might be able to tell. I cannot remember whether I slipped dgb their tell.

[Titus]

Sorry I had my hydras from the thing mixed up.

It's also been 6 months to a year...

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You know me and meta....*farts*

Why the long face?

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@A50, Are you upset with me for ignoring meta? When you locked on Shiro? I apologize for reading you wrong in SU2, but I am going to need you to case tails.

I don't want you to blind sheep. I would like a calm discussion because if there's meta, this looks like you v Shiro.

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Scum do and do not do things for all kinds of reasons.
I think it's scums best interest of scum to get on a town wagon there's a solid reason for. In this situation, it might reflect badly on them if Tails happens to flip town.

This seems to be arguing thar scum aren't getting on town tails bc they fear the reprocussions?

@A50, I am judging you based on how you react to the Dunker wagon.

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@Titus: I don't care much about how I'm being judged at the moment. All I want is to flip Tails and have repeatedly said that I'm willing to pay the price if he flips Town. My problem is when I'm right I often get NK'd and then nobody looks back at anything I said, which is my biggest fear right now. Tails is SCUM, Genration X & NotTheRealPaul are likely Scum.

If you are correct, I will look back. You know I do this. So why the hysteria?

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OK, slight change of plans: Lynch ME today, and when I flip TOWN you can go back and lynch Tails for me on D2. Does THIS sound fair enough?

No. I think you v tails is a waste of time and noise imo. It makes it hard to read you both.

If you get nked, it gives validation that your wolf reads are correct. If you flip mafia, I would be suspect of your trs.

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Guys, we have less than two days left and one is an American holiday. We need to have something to break the deadlock.

Wisdom, how is Dinker town to you?

[Titus]

So you back off a wagon that has a stronger case to join a weaker one that would have the same number of voters?

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titus vote brie with us

Why?

I am thinking Dunker is scum and he has just as much support while a last minute flashwagon is more likely to flip town. I also don't immediately recall anything that even dares suggest he should be wagoned.

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since when do you aim for newblynches? Dunker has done nothing scum indicative

I am for scum lynches.

His vote was terrible.

Ok, think what you want. I think the Brie wagon is terrible. If I am wrong, I will own it.

I will review in the morning, but I want a better answer to why trying to coast and casting terrible votes is somehow town.

[Titus]

Yes i will when there are people actually scummy

You mean like constantly casting votes with no accountability?

Are you just dunker's partner?

[Titus]

One game meta isnt meta

Your word isn't evidence.

You haven't looked at the quality of votes on the Brie wagon but merely making excuses because new.

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When youve played a dozen games with her and youve come to know how she thinks and acts, maybe ill value your opinion

Right now you look like a clown who's trying to stop a scumlynch

Dude, you don't value any of our opinions. You're just strongarming shit.

Here, you imply this argument against Brie is a meta argument but you cavalierly dismiss almost who seems to have actual evidence.

Scum voting scum is a thing but is less likely to happen if you understand the motivations of everyone.

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you cavalierly dismiss almost who seems to have actual evidence.

no, a single game isnt evidence, its almost's wishful thinking

Youre experienced enough to know this

It's evidence but weak evidence. Just because I tend to dismiss meta doesn't make it not evidence. Second what people say about meta is more valuable than meta itself. Your word is not evidence. Brie's ISO is full of openness and accountability, which are the last thing scum want to do here.

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I also just finished a game where CommKnight took the same strategy as you. I'll just vote whoever and auto lynch them. Guess what, he never settled on scum and my partners that game were never held accountable for anything.

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I'm ok with a Wisdom lynch. I am not as confident it will hit scum as Dunker but the strategy Wisdom is using will lead us to ruin.

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VOTE: Wisdom

Happy Birthday.

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The more I think about the Tails wagon, the less I like it. He didn't start good, but got better as things went on. I'm not feeling up to reanalyzing things much, but I can see the problems with Wisdom. And I'm figuring that if you've got it wrong, any lynch is still better than no lynch. I hope.
VOTE: Wisdom
Happy birthday.

You are still at l minus 1, so you still must claim.

[Titus]

the strategy Wisdom is using will lead us to ruin.

Titus has seen me playing like this a thousand times and acts like she never has

You play that way as both alignments unless forced otherwise.

Dunker was an a plus wagon you derailed for no reason.

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Dunker was an a plus wagon you derailed for no reason.

no, dunker is a newbie whos most likely town

You wanna bet?

If Brie flips town and you live, you must give reasons for every single read/vote and can only vote where another player has voted. You may not use the "he's a newb" defense.

If you're that confident, this should not be a problem.

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if you dont like how i play why not just not play with me?

There's nothing immoral about your play. It just leads to losses.

Yet, if you're extremely confident about Brie flipping scum, you should have no qualms about accepting my bet as you'd never have to go through with it. It's not like I'm dictating your reads or votes. It's just letting us read you better and not letting scum!you derail the game away from required lynches.

[Titus]

Show me where it led to loses?

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=71901

Here we go. CommKnight adopted a similar bullrush strategy. Never even bothered with making scum talk.

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Show me where it led to loses?

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=71901

Here we go. CommKnight adopted a similar bullrush strategy. Never even bothered with making scum talk.

My play, not others'.

It's the same strategy.

Town also lost the game where we were scum partners.

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It's the same strategy.

Town also lost the game where we were scum partners.

yeah youre wrong; my play leads to wins, not loses, and im not changing it because you dont like it

Either avoid me or stop going against me in every game

You give reasons and treat us as if we're capable of discussion and you might persuade me. You are unwilling to put your money where your mouth is.

You were also terrible in railgun which just ended. Day 1 you railroaded me. So pardon me if I don't trust a last second bully pulpit wagon.

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We were both town in railgun, so what did you mean by against you? The game should be about lynching scum, not you trying to remove everyone you cannot manipulate with AtE.

You will find even if I cease to play with you that your attitude will drive players away and you'll be significantly worse than chance Wisdom.

The Brie happened with less than two days with most votes as reasonless or because deadline. That's pretty textbook last second.

You're just going to cry discredit over any sort of defense and repeat that.

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Even though you are sucking this game Wisdom, I still wish you a happy birthday.

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And how can you say im sucking this game? You dont know if my reads are right or wrong
For all we know ive caught all 5 scum

So you either antagonise me on purpose or driven by scum motivation

Or by a genuine belief that you railroading town continues to lead to the same results. Repeating the same result leads to insanity. I do have a pattern of recent history that says your style is just incorrect. Yet you persist.

You've been here since 2012. So what? That's an appeal to authority. I have played the most games by far. That doesn't make either of us more right because we say so. Town achieves more by justifying ourselves, being able to reach a semi-informed consensus and getting the best out of each other. Insisting that you are above such things wrecks games.

Tldr: You're repeating a failed strategy expecting new results. By definition, that is insanity.

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How is it failed if it works fine for me?

Again, show me games where it didnt work

And cool; keep your "genuine belief" for yourself and avoid me, its really simple

I did. You mislynched me in railgun and commknight used a similar strategy in Gif's upick.

You avoid lynching town and I won't have to try and stop you.

I hear your refusal to play with anyone who wants you to justify an opinion loud and clear.

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You mislynched me in railgun

Thats your fault, stop antagonizing me

Town still won and i played a major part in it, so

The setup won it. Your votes were crap without that guidance. Seriously, you refused to listen to me, and said my lynch was my fault for SRing you.

This is mafia, not ego wars.

Stop voting town.

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Vote Count 1.3

Tails:

Almost50, Dunkerdoodles, TheBrie

Dunkerdoodles:

Titus, Eurotrash

Almost50:

Hellfire Missile

NotTheRealPaul:

Raya36

TheBrie:

Tails, Wisdom, Generation X, NotTheRealPaul, Vedith

Note Voting:

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

Day Ends:

(expired on 2017-06-19 10:05:00)

Mod Notes: Raya & Hellfire Missile are both being prodded immediately. With just under 24 hours left. the day timer will freeze until they either return or are replaced.
(Or a lynch is reached).

Day timer was frozen Edosurist.

Wisdom, yeah I will be avoiding you in the future. You can self select for those who let you get away with this crap. Brie's flipping town. While we're both here, I will try to get through to you.

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Shoutouts A50 for making up crazy theories and pushing town lynches
Shoutouts Dunker and NTRP for crawling up each others' ass and ignoring everything else
Shoutouts Wisdom for thinking you're a god who's always right
Shoutouts Bins for being the ONLY COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER IN THIS GAME

And shoutouts everyone for ignoring me when I literally called out the entire scumteam in my last post even after I flipped town and obviously the act itself of lynching me over a nonexistent bullshit case

This game was disgusting

Wisdom railroaded this game. All scum had to do was suck up to him/A50.

Maybe now you'll re-evaluate Wisdom?