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muh pronounsIn post 127, Fenraiser wrote:
Sesq seems non-committed to his vote on Conner. I don't like it. He hasn't posted much, but the little he has posted doesn't seem good at all.In post 124, Sesq wrote: i still kinda think connor is scum but lol who knows
VOTE: UNVOTE
I'm not really convinced on the the cases on Sun, and he has been contributing his suspicions and logic and they seem fine to me, and it seems that Transcend and Echo are trying to invalidate that and Sun's credibility.
I'll put more later.
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transcend is conftown
fenraiser has my ire
wavemode is second guessing transcend. we need one of these people tbh even if he may be scum which i dont know
but you're walking a tightrope dude
i think sunchild is just new, and should be treated as such **for now**
echo is me but tries to hide the fact they have little reasoning. more of a viable candidate for that vote, huh fenraiser? is that your buddy?
actually nvm hes town. i was just going off one post and being a cheapshit. i am sorry uwu.
connor may indeed be lynchbait but idk man still a little sketch. leaning lattter.
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i didntIn post 154, ConnorJC wrote:
Why is Transcend conftown?
Accusing wave of being scum because he's doubting Transcend is garbage analysis.
i said it was possible
overly defensive are we???
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and the sky is blueIn post 202, Flubbernugget wrote:
You seem to have very little confidence in this vote and the day is youngIn post 193, Sesq wrote:i think bombcat has the "lol xd!" factor going
if sunchild is not an alt then
yeah imma vote because without the noob justification this play is total ass. maybe its just bad meta tho???? damn....
VOTE: SunChild for. now. smh
@connor the suspicions he's raised are too juvenile for an oldscummer to do in good faith
then again he said he was around before and meta has changed
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because hes out there actually trying to gamesolve instead of pansyfooting around.In post 214, Raya36 wrote:
Oh, alright. Can you explain the transcend conftown thing then?In post 208, Sesq wrote:I didnt was at the wave accusation
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Need to go over the game but I promise I'll post some reads soon.
yesIn post 220, EchoVision wrote: sesq you were in KAT as well right???
also if you think mafia is about pure logic you are dead 100% wrong and you will not be a good mafia player1312-
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thats not what im talking aboutIn post 265, ConnorJC wrote:
Don't spam the game thread if people are obviously V/LA or let it get to the point that you won't make a read on someone just because they didn't answer one of your questions.In post 250, wavemode wrote:What is "too far"? And what do you make of Echo's response here?
Echo seems to like brushing off accusations as if they don't matter, ignoring questions, etc. I don't see how any of that helps town.
Filling the game thread with shitposting isn't a playstyle, as it isn't playing the game.In post 252, EchoVision wrote:if you have an issue with me or my playstyle then feel free to replace out. I have no issue with that.
I agree, but logic is probably the easiest way to back up a read. It's harder to explain something like a gut feeling. Mafia isn't about guessing.In post 253, Sesq wrote:also if you think mafia is about pure logic you are dead 100% wrong and you will not be a good mafia player
As I think that wave is one of the towniest players here, why do you think he's scum?In post 264, Flubbernugget wrote:I think I'm going to vote wave mode
gut is a type of logic, actually. its logic that you cannot communicate. i am talking of an entirely different realm.
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i think it was in contrast with transcend, who was actually doing stuffIn post 322, wavemode wrote:
Hm? When did you tell me to stop pansyfooting? Or, what are you referring to hereIn post 321, Sesq wrote:wave was pansyfooting around before told against it by me
you're really dodgy with the answer about all your reads being based on sun or not
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Wow.In post 364, wavemode wrote:
I've given my case against Sun. I've also given cases against other people, I'm just not personally convinced those other people are necessarily scum. So at the end of the day if you think Trans and Echo and I are scum for believing Sun is the most likely scum here then... you've chosen your side, I suppose. Nothing I say or do is going to convince you otherwise, except changing my read, which nothing so far has led me to do.In post 348, Sesq wrote:i think it was in contrast with transcend, who was actually doing stuff
you're really dodgy with the answer about all your reads being based on sun or not
convince me on sun wagon. currently im at "hes an oldie who doesnt know what new meta is so hes going off old meta and thats not working well" and thats town probably
I gave you a very open invitation to change my mind and you flake
w. t. frick.
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LITERALLY EVERYTHINGIn post 377, wavemode wrote:
Alright, let's discuss. What's inaccurate about my assessment?In post 376, Sesq wrote:also i checked your sunchild read and it was incredibly inaccurate and a complete misrepresentation soooo stop
either you're a liar or you cannot read. both are equally likely.
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Raya's read on me is complete assfuck and here's why:
"Sheeped onto the Connor wagon with no explanation. "
what do you think "i agree with the wagon" means other than "i agree with people's reasons for the wagon"? do you expect me to just copy paste their reasoning? also, pressurevoting.
"This could be her discrediting her own vote that way later on if Connor is mislynched she might fly under the radar."
this is one of those easy bullshit accusations you can confbias out of anyone and everyone needs to stop using it. its natural implication is that town is not skeptical of their own reads which is WRONG and you KNOW IT. so stop.
"I don't like this and I don't like how she's dodging explaining this then when we finally get an explanation it makes no sense."
You seem to have no idea what a reaction test is
"How's this make someone conftown. Not only does this not confirm someone as town at all but scum can easily fake this too. Do you actually think Trans is conftown or do you mean probtown? Also how is Trans even trying to gamesolve any more than anyone else? Actually I might even describe him as pansyfooting around. He's posting lots of one-liners, lots of reads, but I see barely any reasoning for them and I don't see any real attempt to explain himself. Can you quote some of his posts you like and explain why they point towards being conftown?"
yeah, they *can* be faking it, but that require some actual substantial proof that they arent really believing anything they say. trans is conftown, and definitely much more investigative. short, quick reads without any explanation is about as far removed from pansyfooting as you can be
as for specific posts, they all fit into that archetype so it doesnt really help
also, you didnt quote my explanation or say why it made no sense
so yeah i cant tell if this is scum or confbias or what but boy is it sure duuuuumb
"Sesq, if wavelength already explained his case on Sun, why are you asking him to convince you to vote Sun? What did you expect to change?"
at the time i really didnt know, but in retrospect it would have made more sense to ask if there was anymore because of how spectacularly shitty that case was. it wasnt even a case really.1312-
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what would you be wiling to do to get the free iphone?In post 419, bombcat wrote:Good question and the answer is yes
and yes, i have it all prepared.
also, imma UNVOTE: because i dont have full confidence in anyone right now1312-
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no, not 2 hoursIn post 433, bombcat wrote:Not if it's two hours of work though I just want god to take it off the end
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YesIn post 457, bombcat wrote:I guess it's gotta be this game day though or else that wouldn't be fair1312-
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Maybe.In post 539, wavemode wrote:Time since their last post.
Yeah, where is Sesq?
@Sesq do you still want me dead? I'm curious.1312-
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>thinking that bombcat is 100% confirmed scum
>thinking that mafiascum is a game of pure logic
please stop
you're not doing yourself any favors in the long run
also "youre mad because they're right" is a bullshit point that can be applied anywhere without any sort of restriction. if an argument always makes sense in every context then it is pointless. mafia, and logic even, 101.1312-
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it was @ youIn post 565, Egg wrote:Sesq, who is 555 directed at because I don't think anyone said bombcat is confirmed scum? 556 is also a bad idea otherwise the masons probably would have claimed by now. Talking about it is maybe worse than the idea itself. If you're town, you could be giving scum info without realizing it. But the one thing I will say is masons give us an even bigger advantage if they stay hidden because let's say we get to 7 players and then they are outted. Now we have 3 confirmed town and 4 unknowns. Odds of lynching scum are much better than if they are the first three kills and just have 7 unknown players. We want the masons around as long as possible.
Game, you're thinking of ATE (appeal to emotion) and it's debatable whether that is scummy or town. It depends on if it's genuine and even if it is genuine it's still debatable. It's only when it's fake that it's definitely scummy. By survivalism, I more mean trying to stay alive in general.
Raya, if you think the case against bombcat is spam, you must have missed him trying to out the masons.
Flubber, if you were still reading that's definitely fair. It's hard to pick that up when everyone hits submit six times in one sitting reading the thread. I can understand waiting until you are done to vote though for sure. Also thought I'd been more clear about townreading wave, so apologies if not. But yeah I do think he is town.
and the read is still dumb as i've provided an argument as for why someone could want the masons outed
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"well you're wrong"In post 567, Egg wrote:Well I don't think a lot of what you think that I think.
And I've made my point on masons.
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what is that even supposed to mean?In post 581, wavemode wrote:
Why do you feel the need to constantly re-justify this vote? You sound like someone trying to protect themself from an eventual town flip.In post 576, GameNBurger wrote:Yeah Im still feeling the wave lynch
I feel like I might have been played and he's the kind of scum that intentionally likes picking fights that are meaningless
>implying scum are always scummy and town are always townyIn post 582, Egg wrote:
Outting the masons is a pro-scum move. So yes, I think he's scum for trying to do it.In post 573, Sesq wrote:Yeah, but you put him as your top scumread
and that's just really naiive
maybe he is, probably he isnt.
He's fishing for reactions.echo wrote:bombcat isn't trying to out the masons... he said one person was obv mason and probably wasn't even right. it's not like he's mason hunting
you're proving otherwise
you're acting as if omgus is a bad thingIn post 604, wavemode wrote:None of the rolefishing plays you guys seem to think bombcat is making are remotely worth getting lynched over, putting the scum team at an instant disadvantage.
But then, like the voice of God, he posts this while I'm in the middle of writing this post... This vote could be scum motivated. It's pure, self-admitted OMGUS. If it were an isolated incident I wouldn't say anything but he also has an OMGUS scum read on jjh. He could have called jjh a mason so that nobody would think anything about him dying in the night.bombcat wrote:VOTE: egg
you're voting me with an excuse instead of a read, there's no way you think i think the masons will out because i called jjh727 a mason
if someone makes a bullshit case on you you vote them. no shame in that, and it really looks like you're just trying to buzzword around to get a lynch on them.
combined with earlier asspulls i cannot believe you are pushing this lynch in honesty
you're already dressing up your language to diminish the importance of those postsIn post 609, wavemode wrote:Welp that's all I got. Still very skeptical that bomb is scum here.
what the fuck
vote this
i was kinda unsure before but yeah i dont think you can be town anymore
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you did none of these thingsIn post 610, Egg wrote: You didn't read it then because I re-evaluated a few reads (connor and flubber come to mind) while I was reading and I feel like I made good points against sesq.
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i dont really trust what you sayIn post 615, wavemode wrote:Yes, OMGUS is a bad thing when used to simply discredit the person making a case against you, rather than actually responding to their points. But I don't really need to explain that to you, do I Sesq? You know I don't want bombcat lynched.
These two lines are interesting:
I've been pushing hard todayif someone makes a bullshit case on you you vote them. no shame in that, and it really looks like you're just trying to buzzword around to get a lynch on them.
combined with earlier asspulls i cannot believe you are pushing this lynch in honestyagainstlynching bombcat. "if someone makes a bullshit case on you you vote them" - really? Like bombcat's BS case against me? So you should be praising me for wanting him dead. Except... I don't want him dead. I think he's town. Wait, now you've got me confused.
Oh, okay now it makes sense. You wanted to sheep your buddy but needed a good reason to. Alright, good play I guess. Probably what I'd do in your situation.i was kinda unsure before but yeah i dont think you can be town anymore
VOTE: wavemode
i think that you secretly want him lynched based on how you are framing things
and yes, bombcat did actually address the votes he didnt just go "im town lmao" and then omgus
also "you dont want him lynched you must be partners lmao!!!!!"
this is the sort of thing i expect from you so im not gonna get super angry but the fact that this sort of """""logic""""" is par for the course is incredibly disconcerting
its funny because hypocrisyIn post 616, wavemode wrote:Though I'd probably find better reasons...1312-
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what motivated the sudden change of mind? was it me pointing out your obvious bullshit? i would consider this a usual change of mind but considering the context it really doesnt feel like a natural progression. or i'm just confbiased.In post 618, wavemode wrote:I don't think you're partners. I think bombcat is town and you're likely scum.
also, if i was scum, why would i defend bombcat?
Trust me, I have done stupider in the past. If you read up on my meta you'd know that I am capable of extreme stupidity, but also of extreme gut.In post 619, wavemode wrote:
...and you've concluded this from one post I made, putting forth one theory, even though the whole rest of my ISO has been in defense of him? lol ok buddyIn post 617, Sesq wrote:i think that you secretly want him lynched based on how you are framing things
And you know whatreallyis telling me you don't actually believe the words coming out of your own mouth, and are just looking for reasons to kill me? You're one of the people who was suspicious of me for only having reads based on SunChild! Lol so putting forth an alternate read and an alternate theory is now making you even more suspicious? Yeah, no. I don't think you're a fool Sesq. This was a calculated move.
What i'm wondering is why they're mutually exclusive
it really looks like you're just taking a post i said and trying to use it against me by rambling off what you did beforeIn post 620, wavemode wrote:
You're the one who said this and I agreed with it wholeheartedly. You were either lying about being suspicious of me for not having alternate theories, or you're lying about being suspicious of me now. Likely, you're lying about both. But you can't have it both ways.In post 555, Sesq wrote:if an argument always makes sense in every context then it is pointless. mafia, and logic even, 101.
no town player is THIS goddamn shifty
then again, im not familiar with masons at all so maybe this can fit into it
i've called you out on your general dishonesty and shiftiness regarding how you scumread me and you're yet to really address it, and that's what bothers me; if you just scumread me for dumb reasons and kept pushing it insistently i wouldn't mind, but its your entire methodology that tells me you are not providing full enclosure with any of your actual thoughts, and that's what causes me to form conspiracies about your real thoughts, because you haven't established yourself as someone to be trusted at all.1312-
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this is definitely a situation in which its my own stupidity showingIn post 628, wavemode wrote:
I never changed my mind. By your buddy I meant one of the other guys on my wagon. Don't know who.In post 626, Sesq wrote:what motivated the sudden change of mind?
bombcat isn't even voting me right now. And I'm not sure how I could have meant him when I think he's town anyway.1312-
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@Mod: I didn't receive a PM indicating I've been prodded.
good shit that i managed to see it but i wouldve posted anyway
so uh, i have no idea what vedith is really. i keep flipping back and forth on whether wave is ignorant or has bad intent but im staying on the latter for now as it seems a bit more likely. 35/65 or something.
i dont really have any scumreads besides (maybe) wavemode but i dont think any of the actives are that
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Just transcend? I notice you are townreading jjh and didn't mention connor in that post but every time you do mention connor I get the idea you're town reading him even if you don't come right out and say it.game wrote:Idk i feel like scum is using a replacement as last minute desperate lynch bait, he's commented enough where I get a sense of townness
What is trash about it? What pinged you?sesq wrote:game's play is trash so far,
maybe lurkscumhasnt really pinged me until now tho
Tell me why it's scum. And specifically scum, not just poor play.jjh wrote:How the fuck is this ever town I have no idea if half of you are even playing this game
incredibly uninvested, just dancing around and trying to look busy
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why didnt heIn post 1089, Egg wrote:
You could just NK me.In post 1086, bombcat wrote:
u want to get lynched? buddy boy? i will make this happen i swear to god i will do itIn post 1084, Egg wrote:
Bombcat hasn't flipped though. And is probably still scum even though nobody thinks so.In post 1082, wavemode wrote:I think he's saying that his coasting off lynchbait comment referred to jjh starting both the bomb and vedith wagons, not just vedith. Which is fair enough, I suppose.
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because nobody can townread me under normal circumstancesIn post 1159, Transcend wrote:too much resistance elsewhere
wanted to study the wagon next day
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Remind me why you scumread meIn post 1187, Egg wrote:Bombcat, raya looked town in the beginning though. Inactivity makes it feel like a stale read, but it doesn't make raya scum.
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