Open 694: Friends and Enemies (Game Over!)

[Sesq]

VOTE: Game

[Sesq]

i agree with connor scum

VOTE: connor

[Sesq]

you just admitted you complained about it

and you expect me to kneel to your demands, new one?

blasphemous!

i still kinda think connor is scum but lol who knows

[Sesq]

i still kinda think connor is scum but lol who knows

Sesq seems non-committed to his vote on Conner. I don't like it. He hasn't posted much, but the little he has posted doesn't seem good at all.

VOTE: UNVOTE

I'm not really convinced on the the cases on Sun, and he has been contributing his suspicions and logic and they seem fine to me, and it seems that Transcend and Echo are trying to invalidate that and Sun's credibility.

I'll put more later.

muh pronouns

but in terms of actual posting, dont pretend like being oblique is an automatic scumtell because we both know that isnt the case

[Sesq]

transcend is conftown

fenraiser has my ire

wavemode is second guessing transcend. we need one of these people tbh even if he may be scum which i dont know

but you're walking a tightrope dude

i think sunchild is just new, and should be treated as such **for now**

echo is me but tries to hide the fact they have little reasoning. more of a viable candidate for that vote, huh fenraiser? is that your buddy?

actually nvm hes town. i was just going off one post and being a cheapshit. i am sorry uwu.

connor may indeed be lynchbait but idk man still a little sketch. leaning lattter.

ahahahha

that constitutes as good analysisi


shhhahahahahaa

i dont know if this is you being scum or you being uh

[Sesq]

i think bombcat has the "lol xd!" factor going

if sunchild is not an alt then

yeah imma vote because without the noob justification this play is total ass. maybe its just bad meta tho???? damn....

VOTE: SunChild for. now. smh

[Sesq]

Why is Transcend conftown?
Accusing wave of being scum because he's doubting Transcend is garbage analysis.

i didnt

i said it was possible

overly defensive are we???

(sorry for doublepost zoraster-san, i had TABS open and they were all FUCKING CONFUSING!!!)

[Sesq]

i think bombcat has the "lol xd!" factor going

if sunchild is not an alt then

yeah imma vote because without the noob justification this play is total ass. maybe its just bad meta tho???? damn....

VOTE: SunChild for. now. smh

You seem to have very little confidence in this vote and the day is young

and the sky is blue

@connor the suspicions he's raised are too juvenile for an oldscummer to do in good faith

then again he said he was around before and meta has changed

then again i dont trust him too well

[Sesq]

wait whats with my quotes at the bottom

what if your intendeed message

[Sesq]

I didnt was at the wave accusation

[Sesq]

I didnt was at the wave accusation

Oh, alright. Can you explain the transcend conftown thing then?

@Sun
Need to go over the game but I promise I'll post some reads soon.

because hes out there actually trying to gamesolve instead of pansyfooting around.

sesq you were in KAT as well right???

yes

also if you think mafia is about pure logic you are dead 100% wrong and you will not be a good mafia player

[Sesq]

it was directed at everyone

but mainly sunchild

[Sesq]

What is "too far"? And what do you make of Echo's response here?

Don't spam the game thread if people are obviously V/LA or let it get to the point that you won't make a read on someone just because they didn't answer one of your questions.
Echo seems to like brushing off accusations as if they don't matter, ignoring questions, etc. I don't see how any of that helps town.

if you have an issue with me or my playstyle then feel free to replace out. I have no issue with that.

Filling the game thread with shitposting isn't a playstyle, as it isn't playing the game.

also if you think mafia is about pure logic you are dead 100% wrong and you will not be a good mafia player

I agree, but logic is probably the easiest way to back up a read. It's harder to explain something like a gut feeling. Mafia isn't about guessing.

I think I'm going to vote wave mode

As I think that wave is one of the towniest players here, why do you think he's scum?

thats not what im talking about

gut is a type of logic, actually. its logic that you cannot communicate. i am talking of an entirely different realm.

i can get on wave perhaps. an organized-ish wall later.

[Sesq]

ive made up my mind

VOTE: wavemode

if i havent already

wave was pansyfooting around before told against it by me. could be confbias

rest of play seems contradictory and sun is town

[Sesq]

wave was pansyfooting around before told against it by me

Hm? When did you tell me to stop pansyfooting? Or, what are you referring to here

i think it was in contrast with transcend, who was actually doing stuff

you're really dodgy with the answer about all your reads being based on sun or not

convince me on sun wagon. currently im at "hes an oldie who doesnt know what new meta is so hes going off old meta and thats not working well" and thats town probably

[Sesq]

i think it was in contrast with transcend, who was actually doing stuff

you're really dodgy with the answer about all your reads being based on sun or not

convince me on sun wagon. currently im at "hes an oldie who doesnt know what new meta is so hes going off old meta and thats not working well" and thats town probably

I've given my case against Sun. I've also given cases against other people, I'm just not personally convinced those other people are necessarily scum. So at the end of the day if you think Trans and Echo and I are scum for believing Sun is the most likely scum here then... you've chosen your side, I suppose. Nothing I say or do is going to convince you otherwise, except changing my read, which nothing so far has led me to do.

Wow.

I gave you a very open invitation to change my mind and you flake

w. t. frick.

also i checked your sunchild read and it was incredibly inaccurate and a complete misrepresentation soooo stop

[Sesq]

also i checked your sunchild read and it was incredibly inaccurate and a complete misrepresentation soooo stop

Alright, let's discuss. What's inaccurate about my assessment?

LITERALLY EVERYTHING

either you're a liar or you cannot read. both are equally likely.

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Raya's read on me is complete assfuck and here's why:

"Sheeped onto the Connor wagon with no explanation. "

what do you think "i agree with the wagon" means other than "i agree with people's reasons for the wagon"? do you expect me to just copy paste their reasoning? also, pressurevoting.

"This could be her discrediting her own vote that way later on if Connor is mislynched she might fly under the radar."

this is one of those easy bullshit accusations you can confbias out of anyone and everyone needs to stop using it. its natural implication is that town is not skeptical of their own reads which is WRONG and you KNOW IT. so stop.

"I don't like this and I don't like how she's dodging explaining this then when we finally get an explanation it makes no sense."

You seem to have no idea what a reaction test is

"How's this make someone conftown. Not only does this not confirm someone as town at all but scum can easily fake this too. Do you actually think Trans is conftown or do you mean probtown? Also how is Trans even trying to gamesolve any more than anyone else? Actually I might even describe him as pansyfooting around. He's posting lots of one-liners, lots of reads, but I see barely any reasoning for them and I don't see any real attempt to explain himself. Can you quote some of his posts you like and explain why they point towards being conftown?"

yeah, they *can* be faking it, but that require some actual substantial proof that they arent really believing anything they say. trans is conftown, and definitely much more investigative. short, quick reads without any explanation is about as far removed from pansyfooting as you can be

as for specific posts, they all fit into that archetype so it doesnt really help

also, you didnt quote my explanation or say why it made no sense


so yeah i cant tell if this is scum or confbias or what but boy is it sure duuuuumb

"Sesq, if wavelength already explained his case on Sun, why are you asking him to convince you to vote Sun? What did you expect to change?"

at the time i really didnt know, but in retrospect it would have made more sense to ask if there was anymore because of how spectacularly shitty that case was. it wasnt even a case really.

[Sesq]

bombcat do you want a free iphone

[Sesq]

Good question and the answer is yes

what would you be wiling to do to get the free iphone?

and yes, i have it all prepared.

also, imma UNVOTE: because i dont have full confidence in anyone right now

[Sesq]

i don't think he is

[Sesq]

what if its something very easy?

and i still think an action that is worth maybe, a few cents of your time is preferable to 700 dollars.

[Sesq]

Not if it's two hours of work though I just want god to take it off the end

no, not 2 hours

probably a few minutes of work, actually

[Sesq]

@bombcat out all the masons and all the mafia members

if you do this i will send over the free iphone

ill also preload some stuff onto it if you wish (feel free to request anything)

[Sesq]

as much time as you need

no, fukc the fbi

[Sesq]

I guess it's gotta be this game day though or else that wouldn't be fair

Yes

[Sesq]

well, just give it your best shot

[Sesq]

Time since their last post.

Yeah, where is Sesq?

@Sesq do you still want me dead? I'm curious.

Maybe.

[Sesq]

>thinking that bombcat is 100% confirmed scum
>thinking that mafiascum is a game of pure logic

please stop

you're not doing yourself any favors in the long run

also "youre mad because they're right" is a bullshit point that can be applied anywhere without any sort of restriction. if an argument always makes sense in every context then it is pointless. mafia, and logic even, 101.

[Sesq]

i think outing the masons is overall more helpful because then we have 3 conftowns who can carry the game along

i mean, theyll be killed but i think its an ok consequence

[Sesq]

yeh i can buy that jj

bombcat you arent getting the free iphone anymore

i gave it to some guy on discord named banshee

[Sesq]

Sesq, who is 555 directed at because I don't think anyone said bombcat is confirmed scum? 556 is also a bad idea otherwise the masons probably would have claimed by now. Talking about it is maybe worse than the idea itself. If you're town, you could be giving scum info without realizing it. But the one thing I will say is masons give us an even bigger advantage if they stay hidden because let's say we get to 7 players and then they are outted. Now we have 3 confirmed town and 4 unknowns. Odds of lynching scum are much better than if they are the first three kills and just have 7 unknown players. We want the masons around as long as possible.

Game, you're thinking of ATE (appeal to emotion) and it's debatable whether that is scummy or town. It depends on if it's genuine and even if it is genuine it's still debatable. It's only when it's fake that it's definitely scummy. By survivalism, I more mean trying to stay alive in general.

Raya, if you think the case against bombcat is spam, you must have missed him trying to out the masons.

Flubber, if you were still reading that's definitely fair. It's hard to pick that up when everyone hits submit six times in one sitting reading the thread. I can understand waiting until you are done to vote though for sure. Also thought I'd been more clear about townreading wave, so apologies if not. But yeah I do think he is town.

it was @ you

and the read is still dumb as i've provided an argument as for why someone could want the masons outed

and i know of another one that im not gonna say

[Sesq]

Well I don't think a lot of what you think that I think.

And I've made my point on masons.

"well you're wrong"

nice way to open up a dialogue there

[Sesq]

Yeah, but you put him as your top scumread

and that's just really naiive

maybe he is, probably he isnt.

[Sesq]

Yeah Im still feeling the wave lynch

I feel like I might have been played and he's the kind of scum that intentionally likes picking fights that are meaningless

Why do you feel the need to constantly re-justify this vote? You sound like someone trying to protect themself from an eventual town flip.

what is that even supposed to mean?

Yeah, but you put him as your top scumread

and that's just really naiive

maybe he is, probably he isnt.

Outting the masons is a pro-scum move. So yes, I think he's scum for trying to do it.

bombcat isn't trying to out the masons... he said one person was obv mason and probably wasn't even right. it's not like he's mason hunting

He's fishing for reactions.

>implying scum are always scummy and town are always towny

you're proving otherwise

None of the rolefishing plays you guys seem to think bombcat is making are remotely worth getting lynched over, putting the scum team at an instant disadvantage.

VOTE: egg

you're voting me with an excuse instead of a read, there's no way you think i think the masons will out because i called jjh727 a mason

But then, like the voice of God, he posts this while I'm in the middle of writing this post... This vote could be scum motivated. It's pure, self-admitted OMGUS. If it were an isolated incident I wouldn't say anything but he also has an OMGUS scum read on jjh. He could have called jjh a mason so that nobody would think anything about him dying in the night.

you're acting as if omgus is a bad thing

if someone makes a bullshit case on you you vote them. no shame in that, and it really looks like you're just trying to buzzword around to get a lynch on them.

combined with earlier asspulls i cannot believe you are pushing this lynch in honesty

Welp that's all I got. Still very skeptical that bomb is scum here.

you're already dressing up your language to diminish the importance of those posts

what the fuck

vote this

i was kinda unsure before but yeah i dont think you can be town anymore

VOTE: wavemode

You didn't read it then because I re-evaluated a few reads (connor and flubber come to mind) while I was reading and I feel like I made good points against sesq.

you did none of these things

your logic was invisible or hard to follow

[Sesq]

Yes, OMGUS is a bad thing when used to simply discredit the person making a case against you, rather than actually responding to their points. But I don't really need to explain that to you, do I Sesq? You know I don't want bombcat lynched.

These two lines are interesting:

if someone makes a bullshit case on you you vote them. no shame in that, and it really looks like you're just trying to buzzword around to get a lynch on them.

combined with earlier asspulls i cannot believe you are pushing this lynch in honesty

I've been pushing hard today

against

lynching bombcat. "if someone makes a bullshit case on you you vote them" - really? Like bombcat's BS case against me? So you should be praising me for wanting him dead. Except... I don't want him dead. I think he's town. Wait, now you've got me confused.

i was kinda unsure before but yeah i dont think you can be town anymore

VOTE: wavemode

Oh, okay now it makes sense. You wanted to sheep your buddy but needed a good reason to. Alright, good play I guess. Probably what I'd do in your situation.

i dont really trust what you say

i think that you secretly want him lynched based on how you are framing things

and yes, bombcat did actually address the votes he didnt just go "im town lmao" and then omgus

also "you dont want him lynched you must be partners lmao!!!!!"

this is the sort of thing i expect from you so im not gonna get super angry but the fact that this sort of """""logic""""" is par for the course is incredibly disconcerting

Though I'd probably find better reasons...

its funny because hypocrisy

[Sesq]

I don't think you're partners. I think bombcat is town and you're likely scum.

what motivated the sudden change of mind? was it me pointing out your obvious bullshit? i would consider this a usual change of mind but considering the context it really doesnt feel like a natural progression. or i'm just confbiased.

also, if i was scum, why would i defend bombcat?

i think that you secretly want him lynched based on how you are framing things

...and you've concluded this from one post I made, putting forth one theory, even though the whole rest of my ISO has been in defense of him? lol ok buddy

And you know what

really

is telling me you don't actually believe the words coming out of your own mouth, and are just looking for reasons to kill me? You're one of the people who was suspicious of me for only having reads based on SunChild! Lol so putting forth an alternate read and an alternate theory is now making you even more suspicious? Yeah, no. I don't think you're a fool Sesq. This was a calculated move.

Trust me, I have done stupider in the past. If you read up on my meta you'd know that I am capable of extreme stupidity, but also of extreme gut.

What i'm wondering is why they're mutually exclusive

if an argument always makes sense in every context then it is pointless. mafia, and logic even, 101.

You're the one who said this and I agreed with it wholeheartedly. You were either lying about being suspicious of me for not having alternate theories, or you're lying about being suspicious of me now. Likely, you're lying about both. But you can't have it both ways.

it really looks like you're just taking a post i said and trying to use it against me by rambling off what you did before

no town player is THIS goddamn shifty

then again, im not familiar with masons at all so maybe this can fit into it

i've called you out on your general dishonesty and shiftiness regarding how you scumread me and you're yet to really address it, and that's what bothers me; if you just scumread me for dumb reasons and kept pushing it insistently i wouldn't mind, but its your entire methodology that tells me you are not providing full enclosure with any of your actual thoughts, and that's what causes me to form conspiracies about your real thoughts, because you haven't established yourself as someone to be trusted at all.

[Sesq]

what motivated the sudden change of mind?

I never changed my mind. By your buddy I meant one of the other guys on my wagon. Don't know who.

bombcat isn't even voting me right now. And I'm not sure how I could have meant him when I think he's town anyway.

this is definitely a situation in which its my own stupidity showing

[Sesq]

hahaah that was one of the most blatant dodges in history hehahhhahah

yeah i really hope you get lynched tonight

[Sesq]

because if its critical of you its low level analysis

ok

[Sesq]

@Mod: I didn't receive a PM indicating I've been prodded.

good shit that i managed to see it but i wouldve posted anyway

so uh, i have no idea what vedith is really. i keep flipping back and forth on whether wave is ignorant or has bad intent but im staying on the latter for now as it seems a bit more likely. 35/65 or something.

i dont really have any scumreads besides (maybe) wavemode but i dont think any of the actives are that

maybe flubber? not sure.

[Sesq]

convince me he's scum

[Sesq]

go eat a bingo card

[Sesq]

Sesq, did you read my case on Vedith

yeah

i found it unconvincing

[Sesq]

sorry i wasnt checking this today

game's play is trash so far, maybe lurkscum

hasnt really pinged me until now tho

nothing new to add, really

[Sesq]

maybe

[Sesq]

Idk i feel like scum is using a replacement as last minute desperate lynch bait, he's commented enough where I get a sense of townness

Just transcend? I notice you are townreading jjh and didn't mention connor in that post but every time you do mention connor I get the idea you're town reading him even if you don't come right out and say it.

game's play is trash so far,

maybe lurkscumhasnt really pinged me until now tho

What is trash about it? What pinged you?

How the fuck is this ever town I have no idea if half of you are even playing this game

Tell me why it's scum. And specifically scum, not just poor play.

incredibly uninvested, just dancing around and trying to look busy
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Guys, can we consolidate wagons?

Deadline is in two days. The lead wagon is at 2. FIVE of you are on 1 person wagons or not voting at all. Pick a wagon and fast. Sesq, transcend, vedith, and jjh are the only viable votes unless something changes.

[Sesq]

the quote fucked up for last post. can you fix it mod pls?

egg might not be scum, as it is that possible to have so many townreads

but i wouldnt bet too hard on it

[Sesq]

yeah lets get on flubber

VOTE: Flubber

i feel like he hasnt been getting enough attention and in my experience scum have slipped by the same way a lot

[Sesq]

I think flubber might still be scum

[Sesq]

fuck im been unactive

VOTE: egg because its really starting to fuckin ping me now

[Sesq]

why is titus scum?

[Sesq]

yeah

titus is always an... interesting player

i feel like i can kinda grasp when they're scum

[Sesq]

i meant after they post more

[Sesq]

if you're going to vote me do it when im actually being scummy

i've been doing great this game, you are all too narrow-minded to see it.

VOTE: wave

i guess

or something

[Sesq]

I think he's saying that his coasting off lynchbait comment referred to jjh starting both the bomb and vedith wagons, not just vedith. Which is fair enough, I suppose.

Bombcat hasn't flipped though. And is probably still scum even though nobody thinks so.

u want to get lynched? buddy boy? i will make this happen i swear to god i will do it

UNVOTE: transcend

VOTE: egg

You could just NK me.

why didnt he

[Sesq]

maybe because he isnt scum

[Sesq]

good case wave, obviously the associative stuff w/ me is bs

you just point a thing out and are like SESQ IS SCUM!!!!1!1!!!!!

[Sesq]

too much resistance elsewhere

wanted to study the wagon next day

titus is scum

there was a counterwagon on sesq

sesq is scum

because nobody can townread me under normal circumstances

[Sesq]

Bombcat, raya looked town in the beginning though. Inactivity makes it feel like a stale read, but it doesn't make raya scum.

Game, remind me why you're townreading sesq.

Remind me why you scumread me

[Sesq]

you guys are gonna need to backup that scumread

[Sesq]

i dont know what that means but it feels accurate

anyway thats a false equivalency

but you should still consider me town regardless, because i have had amazing play

[Sesq]

Being a person who is open about their reads and opinions at all times

and aims to eliminate their own biases

someone who does not tunnel others and is always open to new possibilites

this

darling

is the play of someone who is aggressively town

[Sesq]

{sesq, connor, bombcat}
{jjh, titus}
{trans, vedith, egg, havingftiz, flubber}
{game, raya, wave}
{nobody is confscum}

[Sesq]

I'm one of those people, by the way

Pointing out a problem, and then identifying yourself as part of the problem, doesn't make you town

stop

[Sesq]

I'm one of those people, by the way

Pointing out a problem, and then identifying yourself as part of the problem, doesn't make you town

stop

But also this to a small degree

this is the weakest bus of All time

i wouldnt mind a game wagon if anyone else is interested

@egg haah thats all dumb and debunked (and for sun, not true, i was pretty for him being town iirc)

[Sesq]

VOTE: Game

game votes start with you

[Sesq]

oh yeeeaaah.

not really a scummy move, i mean, i made the conditions under which they were being voted very clear

[Sesq]

specifically i was voting him for his dude logic lmao attitude as if that was just the only thing that was important. i think it was a pressure vote at the time? i dont remember it super well it was like 3 weeks ago

also a vote is not inherently scummy without context around the vote to support that it is indeed scummy

i dont know why more people are buying into this horsepiss than any other wagon but so be it

[Sesq]

Sesq

I was scumreading the fact that you called his play "ass" without saying what was wrong with it and then turned around and voted.

It felt like you didn't believe in the vote.

I mean now you say pressure vote and if so maybe that's fine but it didn't feel like pressure and it's not the only time you've been dismissive of something without getting specific. Hell, you just did it after I replied to you asking why I scum read you. You responded to one of my points and just blindly call the rest dumb.

oh my god

do you understand what a pressure vote is?

wait, you do but you dismiss it anyway, you're just saying "well you've done it other times so it's wrong". This makes zero sense.

also, i call the rest dumb because they have already been addressed to my knowledge, if you wanna go in depth about any of them you can

please start making just any level of sense

[Sesq]

please start making just any level of sense

Coming from the person who says:

do you understand what a pressure vote is?

wait, you do but you dismiss it anyway, you're just saying "well you've done it other times so it's wrong".

Like that wasn't even about you calling it a pressure vote. It was about you being dismissive.

being dismissive is part of the pressure vote

fucking hell

[Sesq]

titus is more of a null (think i marked them as such idk) havent seen literrally a thing from them

as for you your play feels consistently pretty towny and thats it

im maybe on a trans wagon, can you give me any good reasons

[Sesq]

What the hell is a dismissive pressure vote

thats like saying what the hell is an angry act of violence

its kinda part of the concept inherently

the dismissiveness adds to the pressure

and its how i generally prefer to vote

because it keeps people on their toes more

also

ahahaaa i put dead ass connor in my readlist

ahaahhhahahahha

[Sesq]

because dead town is always right about everything

[Sesq]

i mean, (sorry for doublepost this just came to me) all it does is clear them of having ulterior motives, it doesnt mean they're right about that

[Sesq]

no

because you're putting yourself in a worse position by lynching town

also

if the wagon has 4 or more people on it it it has at least one conftown supporting it, we just dont know who

think about that

[Sesq]

Not want to be a tattletale but that is three prods for Raya. The town could use a more active player at this point.

why are they town tho

thats the real question

fuck it

VOTE: wavemode

[Sesq]

coming from someone who happens to play with transcend a lot this is almost convincing

[Sesq]

not super confident on titus

this is just real out of character

[Sesq]

I am considering egg and or flubber tho

[Sesq]

titus momentum is kinda scary considdering sesq momentum was slow

but meh. not parsed.

at this point any wagon will go fast considering the deadline

[Sesq]

HAH! you did a thing that could very loosely interpreted as scummy, and that nobody would actually think except with confbias??? THATS BECAUES YOURE SCUM!!! IM SUCH A GOOD TOWNIE GUYS!!!!!!

you also didnt consider that im just not happy with either wagon

[Sesq]

meta

[Sesq]

VOTE: titus

their play is totally out of normal + they arent helping town at all + it gets transcend to shut up

[Sesq]

the amount of flipping with mathblade is just really disconcerting

game/math team, maybe

also

>people scumreading me

[Sesq]

Mathblade, I'd vote havingfitz before wave but I'm MUCH more confident in sesq.

Not as confident there like I was on read through but gut says Sesq = too scummy to be scum which I know is not a thing but I've replaced into a slot that Sesq played that was horrible. I just think Sesq is a newb.

also, i've been here for like 8 months

i'm not a newb anymore, i'm just a moron

get your shit straight

[Sesq]

seems like they had a really sudden hop onto havingfitz

then again, they just entered the game, that can happen

still "disconcerting", as is fitz' play

[Sesq]

i dismissed the issue in that post

do you read my posts?

[Sesq]

Yeah, the one with this in the last line AFTER you dismissed it:

still "disconcerting"

I read that as you dismissing it but believing it to be scummy anyway which would have been pretty bad. But if you no longer believe it then meh, whatever.

the quotation marks were lampooning the baselessness of that accusation and therefore i dont believe strongly in it

Mathblade, I'd vote havingfitz before wave but I'm MUCH more confident in sesq.

Not as confident there like I was on read through but gut says Sesq = too scummy to be scum which I know is not a thing but I've replaced into a slot that Sesq played that was horrible. I just think Sesq is a newb.

also, i've been here for like 8 months

i'm not a newb anymore, i'm just a moron

get your shit straight

So you're scum then? You're scum or making newbie mistakes. Take your pick. Because I can tell right now you don't believe you are a moron. And you're completely discounting the fact I have experience with you and your town game sucks. Instead you're trying to attack the fact I call you a newb, which skill is what makes someone not a newb not time, instead of the merits. I townread you because your play is horrible similar to the newbie I replaced you in.

>trying to analyze a non-serious jab

what

also, apparently calling people's play horrible without explanation is good now.

that's a great idea!

seems like they had a really sudden hop onto havingfitz

then again, they just entered the game, that can happen

still "disconcerting", as is fitz' play

It's called pressure. Learn it love it breathe it.

i do, which you would know if you read my play

also

your play is ass. not sure if it's scum ass or town ass, but it is total ass, and so is your case on waveform. none of those points make any real sense under scrutiny, they're just some of the laziest scumtells and with you, and a lot of people, it's as if scumreading is more like a checklist you tick off these set (often illogical or incomplete) criteria for, and that's how you surf. fucking annoys me. not really a you problem in particular but i have seen it a lot.

also the hop onto flubber?

the fuck?

1538 also why are scum necessarily stupid? or is this a trap? i hope (and think) it is, in which case, good play. more of this, less of "IF YOU DEFEND URSELF MOAR U MUST BEC SCUM REEEE", instead of actually thinking about it and realizing individuals can be more or less concerned about themselves regardless of alignment

1539 oh, like the ones i make?

in conclusion, please knock your ego down a few pegs. it would make it a lot easier to actually lynch scum.

As a matter of fact, I'm not scum.

For some reason Math thinks because he talks a lot of shit, which he might even believe, that he is magically town (and tonight's nk...woe is town ).

When actually he's no more town than any of us.

Here's my list:

Town - havingfitz
Could be scum - everyone else.

weak ass defense man

Has anyone made any good points against wavemode? Because I'm not seeing any in his votes today.

nope. math ran off some easy, EASY points that didnt have any solid backing and then people acted as if those were right, somehow-

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He's town maybe, and if he isn't it's not for the reasons you listed

There isn't a counter so I'm thinking this might be town

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Gonna reply later when I'm not on mobile but good point that it could be scum having no influence. Confidence =/= having a big ego, if you did provide an explanation link it, you didn't really put them in context at the time

Actually that's everything just out of order.

I could probably do fitz, also wanting to go after game perhaps

VOTE: Fitz

Readslist later

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also, apparently calling people's play horrible without explanation is good now.

that's a great idea!

I thought you told me this was just called "pressure" when you did it. Same thing mathblade said, actually.

nope, they're different

its smart to play pressure with scumhunting but if you try to criticize people's play without being specific you're just being a chungus

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VOTE: Sesq

Considering your subtle omgus vote on me and your alt interest in Game....vice the wagon you wanted all day yesterday until your mislynch hammer.

>subtle omgus

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHHHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAH

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{Sesq, jjh, bombcat}
{wave}
{Math, egg, flubber}
{fitz}
{Game}

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bad discourse

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@egg: ass as in scummy

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i dont have to be

read my posts

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can you not read, egg?

when i described his play as ass, i meant it was him being scum, something you can be vague about.

i was not describing his overall play.

i'm not going to reiterate this again, and if you bring it up i'm going to have to assume you are scum, as i don't believe people who are smart enough to register for a website and join a game and participate in the game to a degree lack the comprehension of that post to such an alarming degree

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can you not read, egg?

when i described his play as ass, i meant it was him being scum, something you can be vague about.

i was not describing his overall play.

i'm not going to reiterate this again, and if you bring it up i'm going to have to assume you are scum, as i don't believe people who are smart enough to register for a website and join a game and participate in the game to a degree lack the comprehension of that post to such an alarming degree

You're really determined to make this seem different than what mathblade did that you didn't like, aren't you?

what are you talking about lmao

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i have never said mathblade is scum

i am convinced you are unable to read

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havingfitz looking better

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ive said all i can say on that being dumb

might as well go after game

hes been coasting along doing nothing the whole game

pansyfooting

nobody can see this and im angery

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UNVOTE: Fitz

tbh

this defense looks town

[Sesq]

will go after game, maybe math, maybe flub

[Sesq]

VOTE: mathblade

ive had enough

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Thoughts on sesq ISO:

So they first vote sunchilds day 1 and then suddenly they hard town read them and go after wavemode and I'm not sure I see where sesq even made the switch

Aside from that day 1 sesq is participating much more than I've seen previously

And not the useless kind of play either, gamesolving

I believe pansyfooting is the word she uses and she's definitely not doing it

Sesq seems to have a pretty consistent scumread on me and wave,and then a revolving door for the third scum slot that's ranged from flubber raya havingfitz mathblade Titus and I think others but I'm on mobile so I valentine written them down as I went

wrong, havent consistently scumread wave at all

[Sesq]

Game, Flub, Fitz, Egg

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why was i not prodded??? wtf???

anyway sorry, i accidentally unpinned this tab.

i think thats a fitz lynch? idk

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bombcat is not scum

im putting a fair guess @ math tho

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well, i'm not a mason, and i don't really understand what you're getting at

[Sesq]

already said

going @ math

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Sesq actually hasn't stated her reads. Those 4 names were when I asked everyone to rank them in order of how much you want to lynch them. Yesterday. When two of them were still alive.

what? are you saying theres four people i have to order?

i never saw that, please repost

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lol k

VOTE: sesq