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Being angry at being lynched, if you're town, is silly as you're going to win the game either way. You hammered two scum this game - that's something to be happy about, if you're Town. Just relax and enjoy the show.
I'm not lynching you based on any sort of logic other than you're not particularly in my townreads, therefore you can be lynched. This logic is sound because it guarantees a win.
I don't care if it's you, Zaraki or cy being lynched today - either one of you could be scum, but whoever it is will lose regardless.-
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Moz' post is BS. He is the one who wanted a Zaraki lynch over a Sesq one, and then he says I'm scummy for lynching Zaraki over Sesq?
The reason I've posted less recently is because it's seemed like an easy win and I've been going through the motions.
I actually do think Moz is scum now. If the paranoia is too much to bear then I can accept being lynched today on the proviso Moz is next for the chopping block.
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VOTE: Moz-
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But he misrepped the manner in which I switched wagons - I gave a valid reason for doing so, and I've made it known I scumread Zaraki more than Sesq throughout the game.In post 1202, CultOfAthena wrote:
It seemed to me like he was saying theIn post 1201, Luca Blight wrote:Moz' post is BS. He is the one who wanted a Zaraki lynch over a Sesq one, and then he says I'm scummy for lynching Zaraki over Sesq?mannerin which you switched wagons was scummier, moreso than the vote itself.
Why do you think Moz as scum tries to push you, here?
Why wouldn't Mozscum push me here? Undermining the player with the most towncred is necessary if he wants to have any chance of winning the game.-
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a) How do I know what would have been altered? I just didn't trust him, even when he was pushing UCV, and wanted to observe his behaviour further.In post 1242, cytheflyguy wrote:
This on it's own is fair. What I want to know is A) What do you think would have been altered from Moz knowing that you don't trust him? and B) What benefited the town in telling that now?In post 1240, Luca Blight wrote:There's a reason I keep certain thoughts to myself - I don't like to let people know I suspect them, or in some cases townread them, as it alters their behaviour.
b) I was responding to Moz saying I know he's Town.-
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You misrepped me earlier, so I guess you must be scum?In post 1245, mozamis wrote:
Look, you're pissed off with me cos i voted you, i get that.In post 1238, CommKnight wrote:Moz is definitely today's lynch regardless of how long we draw out talking. So Moz can say his thoughts and reads. But he is being lynched today.
But No one individual gets to decide who the lynch is. Not you, not me, we need to calm down. On that note, I'm off for me grub!
But Lucca really worries me. He's misrepping which is a scummy sign.-
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1) I never called myself confirmed town.
2) Of course I'm skeptical of people challenging me - if I was scum and there was someone with a huge amount of towncred in the game, I would want to unsettle that situation.
3) I'm not sure what your point is about me helping find scum - it's like you're unwilling to give the credit due to me for my part in those lynches.
4) My 'taking charge' only really happened on D2, which I think was fair enough seeing as I almost single-handedly pushed through a scum lynch on D1. You are exaggerating this point; in case you hadn't noticed I haven't been trying to control everything since then.
5) Even if I was demanding as much control as you're making out, why would I use that control to lynch all of my scumbuddies? I don't see the logic behind that; surely I'd be better off going with the flow and hoping Town was lynched instead?
6) Nice little disclaimer at the end. It seems as though you're just fishing for reactions to see if a Luca lynch is possible, while giving yourself an easy jump-off point with Athena.-
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Spoiler: This post pinged me a bit
This, if Comm is scum, feels like he's setting himself up for the win - he knows I townread him and wouldn't lynch him before MYLO, and then I would be lynched. He also feels a bit different to the last game I had with him where he was Town, but I feel like I want to trust in my townslip theory. Lucky would have been bussing him as well, and I get the impression Lucky isn't someone who busses unless he has to.
Definitely Impede or cy being lynched today.-
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I'm leaning Athena Town as well for posts such as this:
No real reason for Lucky to bus Athena here when I was pressing a Laser lynch.In post 707, Lucky2u wrote:VOTE: Cult of Athena
I'm throwing myself behind Moz on this one, sorry Luca.-
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1) I was referring to the fact people have been calling me such things as 'confirmed town' and 'almost confirmed town' this game.
2) Why should I want to showcase how Town I am? That would only be the case if I was scum, which I'm not. And it isn't a flawed argument - it's a natural inclination to suspect people who suspect you, especially when you are in a strong position in the Town in such a game as this.
3) The reason I played this way on D2 is because there were still three scum at large - easily enough to misguide any lynch. I knew I could only trust myself, and everyone ele could only trust me, therefore I should the the one to decide that particular lynch. In the end I didn't want a Laser lynch but couldn't persuade the others to jump off, so my influence ultimately failed anyway.
4) This is something everyone does to some degree. If it was me controlling the lynch then I would demand everyone vote one particular player, but instead I narrow down a list of three good lynch choices and suggest people vote one of them. This is no different from anyone else suggesting who they want lynched. I've actually been following the likes of Comm and Impede since Lucky's lynch.
5) It would be a silly strategy to lynch my three scumbuddies within the first four lynches of the game and expect to survive mislynch after mislynch without being suspected. Comm, who I townread, has already stated if the game goes to MYLO he will set out to lynch me. Everyone else in the game also seems pretty cool with my lynch at some point, so don't you see as scum I'd be basically setting myself up for the loss here?
6) My point stands. Lining up Athena's lynch after saying you don't understand why people are scumreading her seems like a calculated move.-
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Basically I feel Impede is scum due to his early interactions with UCV (which I found suspicious at the time) and by POE which I talked about earlier which narrows it down to him and Cy.
Cy's'lynch me'thing seems more genuine than Impede's attempt at the same, so that's who I want lynched today.
VOTE: Impede-
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I'll just leave this here...
Lucky was actually the most convincing scum imo. I only started suspecting him once I looked through his meta and saw he played similarly in his scum games.In post 480, Luca Blight wrote:It has to be said that Cy looks pretty bad here. The only time he really talked about UCV was in this defence of him here:
And it came at a very telling time - just after a few had joined me in voting UCV (he was L-3 at the time), so as scum he would have a motive here in trying to stem the flow.
The fact he has also generally been lurking throughout but suddenly popped up to make that defence makes it stand out all the more.
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