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hey it's more theory talk form thor! INFO WITHOUT ANALYSIS.In post 1266, Thor665 wrote:I mean, just to clarify, he killed an active poster who most people had as a town read who was indeed town.
Describe how that's different from a scum kill.
I'll wait.
god can we please lynch this.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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i was wrong about Thor he's not a politician he's a British civil servant!
thor's role modelYou've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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you case on me?! you never rasied suspicion of me all game, i then make a case on you as scum, and you OMGUS me. Simple as that, everyoen can see that.
Your caught flailing scum, trying to distract people with info w/out analysis.
And you've made a flat out lie YOU NEVR PUSHED HE WHO SWIMS, never made a case on him. Just an obvious bus.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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oh hang on, is Thor just trying to get involved in abstruse argument with one other person LIKE HE SPENT THE WHOLE OF DAY 1 whilst not givig out any other reads??!! What a shocker lol Pity i'm only Vt and not IC i guessYou've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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yeah i know what you mean about Klick.In post 1268, Flubbernugget wrote:less theory more scumhunt
maybe i'm wrong about Cult and its Thor and Klick?
Anyway, one at a time. If we could get Thor for the love of god...You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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"Ep, tell me more about your RC scumread"In post 1273, CultOfAthena wrote::
my quote thing is fucked...
anyway, this look stown form Cult, I kinda wondered about, and to me it shows her curiousity about what is going on. Obviously scum find this hard to fake.
So maybe Cult back to town?
@ Cult - join me on Thor?You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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we shouldnt vpte Ep his las tpost was very town - actually gave out...you know..reads.
he is lynch bait.
@ COA - well, you thought i was "erratic" day 1, and yet i was right about Hewho. Maybe just take a leap and go with it.
And if you need "proof before belief", thor is a very active player who hasnt doen any scum hunting all game.
You understand that, yeah?You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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In post 1283, Thor665 wrote:I see you making a lot of noise about the timing of my case, but, yeah, since my case is based around how terrible your case on me is it didn't exist till you pushed me.
Maybe that makes it OMGUS - but that doesn't actually qualify as showing my case as bad nor scummy.
Feel free to explain that.
I mad emy cas eon you. You then OMGUsed me -having voted for EP and not made a case on him- and gave as a reason "Moz cas eon em is so bad it must be scum", which iis not a case.
Also, yes, I did present a case on HWS. You can keep squealing that I didn't. But it's factually there, I've linked it, and you've even quoted part of it and complained that it was too small. So, I don't believe you and it makes me sad if anyone does.
your cas eon He who swims was "I'm sheeping", see p1065
@Beef - literally moz is not dealing straight, and I think it's obvious. However you are apparently reading my rebuttals and his and finding him to be full of facts and me to be full of lies.
Why?
Please explain it, I'd be curious to see the thought process.
I promise not to even debate it - and just leave it alone for others to assess, but I want to see you unpack it.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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the fact that Hewho scum leaned Ep ,alomg with Flubber, strongly suggests Ep town and the next on the lynch bait list.
I like Kilcks analysis of hewho, hes back to town.
shit is that erratic?You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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it is amazing how Thor talks so much and yet hardly any reads. And he shows no real interest in getting ME lynched, and i'm his scumread lol Like he showed no interest ingetting Hewho lynched.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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In post 1065, Thor665 wrote:
Because I'm sheeping town who isn't arguing something I think is unlikely.In post 1063, Klick wrote:Thor, why are you voting HWS?
And if you're going to provide the answer "because he's scum," my follow-up is "why?"
Yeah, I can't get "away" with voting someone I've been openly defending all game and openly argued with two people when they claimed I wasn't defending him What do you even think you're arguing there? If I'm scum, i'd be scum with Beefster and already clearly of the mind to defend him.In post 1064, Moneybags wrote:Because HWS isn't texcat and he can't get away with lynching Beefster. Look at how fast this HWS wagon is getting of the ground. Is this not strange to anyone else?
Could you describe why you feel Tex is a slow wagon and Swims is a fast one? I'd put them in the same general ballpark for speed and support.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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just give a reads list, some analysis.
that quote was your enire case on Hewho..
anyway, once again you are being scummy and indulging in semantic sophistry. YOU NEVER PUSHED HEWHO. You can argue the toss over that paragraph all you want, but we all know you didnt lift a finget to get him lynched.
and why did you vote EP at he beginning of the day? You didnt give a reason.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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@ Thor - your response to Moneybags was you were allowed to vote Hewho, even though you had defended Hewho.
Sure you are allowed to change your mind, but still wasnt really a case.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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still waiting for that wagon analysis.In post 1231, Thor665 wrote: My reason for scumreading EP is as already presented - lurk.
I'll add wagon analysis.
and that whole paragraph STILL AVOIDED GIVING OUT READS.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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Ok, I haven't caught up but i've had a few "away from the game" thoughts and i wanted to post them before i got lost in the woods again...
Maybe - i do emphahsise the word MAYBE - Thor is town. He could be the sort of emotional player that OMGUS' heavily. Maybe he just OMGUSed Flub Day 1, and is doing the same to me now.
And mayeb I got caught up in the fact that FLub was IC. clearly, Thor could have just got it wrong as town.
So. Put Thor on the back burner for now.
occam's razor lynch EP and TEx
Obvious often IS right in Mafia, and they are the 2 that have done fuck all consistently all game. If they are town they should have replaced out by now.
VOTE: ep
i'll catch up in a bit, but its gonna take somehtng special to change my mindYou've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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tex's hammer was awfulIn post 1380, Thor665 wrote:I would agree he was bussed by a partner.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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ah sorry feel a bit of a dick now, i took it the wrong way - probably cos i know I DO change my mind a lot, its just my way of sucmhunting.In post 1435, CultOfAthena wrote:
I hope you understand that when I said you were "a little all over the place", it wasn't any sort of insult – it was just a comment on your typing style.In post 1319, mozamis wrote:we shouldnt vpte Ep his las tpost was very town - actually gave out...you know..reads.
he is lynch bait.
@ COA - well, you thought i was "erratic" day 1, and yet i was right about Hewho. Maybe just take a leap and go with it.
And if you need "proof before belief", thor is a very active player who hasnt doen any scum hunting all game.
You understand that, yeah?
But yeah, my typing sucks balls
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you were in that game?In post 1453, RadiantCowbells wrote:I also want to note that I find his play in this game distinctly different than, for example, his play in the game that you modded NSG.
well i was town in that game, and town in this game, so i dont know what to say
prob conf bias, that cna be the trouble with meta, you see what you want to see
anyway, nothing in my catch up has changed my mind. Apart from *gritted teeth* Thor is prob town.
i kinda wish Cult would participate more so i could get rif of my paranoia about her, but having said that whnever she DOES grace us with her presence, she gives out reads.
Klick has to be town, otherwise we are in trouble.
but yeah happy with keeping it simple and lynchihng Ep or Tex.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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so let me guess - Thor is gonna lynch me cos i annoyed him, likewise Rc, Likewiuse Beef, then EP and Tex will hammer?
guiys you got use your heads NOT YOUR FUCKING HEARTSYou've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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yeah that was one of my better games as scum, unfortunately got vigged.In post 1454, texcat wrote:Y'all must expect people to be bussing all the time. I'm not used to that. Perhaps I'm just out of touch. After reading RCs wall on Moz though, I went to look to look at the last time Moz was scum and found Mini 1961 where he hardly bussed at all. His scum game there does not look much like his game here to me.
i've never bussed as scum like i pushed Hewho inthis game.
I'm flattered that people think my scum game is up to this level of complexity. It really isnt.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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that is a good call, Beef you think me and Thor are scum together? I mean...wtf??!!In post 1461, Thor665 wrote:@Beefster - why the sudden reverse on the Thor/Moz situation? You have been having a habit of late of just kind of going with the flow, and it's not as endearing as your earlier play.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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yes, i was, think i was wrong though. i thought you were scum when Day 1 began and you voted Ep. Plus his name has been tossed around all game as possible scum, which had me worried.In post 1468, Thor665 wrote:
@MozIn post 1456, Thor665 wrote:Weren't you calling EP lynchbait?
Why hop on that option even if you now think maybe I'm only a soft scumlean/null/soft town?
Wouldn't your read on him stay the same - lynchbait?
you'll note that it's a change of heart, but not from nowhere - he was in my scum pool for quite sometime, before Flub flipped IC and i changed my reads.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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you mean, RC unvoted you and i then unvote cos one person has unvoted you? you saying that i as scum just give up when there is still a decent wagon on you.In post 1469, Thor665 wrote:Also, curls y toes to have me go from a liar in your eyes to 'probably town' as soon as wagon momentum shifts.
Main point you should be thinking about is why, as scum, do i decide to tunnelling you beginning of Day 2. You're hardly the easiest lynch bait...Makes NO SENSE at all.
It should really 1) piss you off at an emotional level 2) But conf me as town on a rtional level.
Have to be out of mind to play like this is as scum "Hey let's attack one of the most aggressive, adversarial players in the game when there is no wagon on him and then give up and vote Thor's scum read when on eperson unvotes Thor".
You know it make no sense.
Get back on EP and lets win this.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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if you think about it, there is no scum motivastion at all. I cant see scum EVER attacking a player like Thor, unless there was a big wagon on him already. He is the opposite of lynch bait.In post 1470, RadiantCowbells wrote:
wow it's almost like his shifts in trajectory in literally every single instance have massive scum motivation who would have thought itIn post 1469, Thor665 wrote:Also, curls y toes to have me go from a liar in your eyes to 'probably town' as soon as wagon momentum shifts.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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it does make sense you just dont understand it. what dont you understand?In post 1480, Thor665 wrote:@Moz - I agree your play makes no sense.
But it does make more sense to me as scum than as town.
It's actually the reason I'm asking you about the reverses and all I'm geeting as explanation is "OMG why u suspect me!!!" which isn't helping much.
and ep replacing out is as annoying as fuck.
Shall we do Texcat instead or do we wait for Fitz?You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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@ Thor - away form the game, i calmed down and gave it some thought.
It seemed unlikely that you were scum and i realised we had got bogged down in an OMGUs, Tvt.
I dont see whats hard to understand about that. With a cleared head, it just seemed a lot more likely that the 2 main lurkers/weak players were scum. If nothing else,its been good for P.O.E.
Simple.
Tl;dr - i changed my reads as the evidence changed. I recomend you do the same.
@ RC -You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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in some ways this is strightforward.
there is a clear town bloc of Me, RC, Flubb, Thor and Cult.
I could do anyone else. In order probably:
Ep, Tex, Beef, Max, Klick.
Klick is close to my town pile. Certainly Ep, Tex, beef and Max havent done much.
You lynch me, you lynch one of the most acitve town players in the game, which is madness.
Thor needs to calm down and he will see this.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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so me thor and Cult are your biggest scum reads?In post 1498, Beefster wrote:
Um. No. If anything, you're mutually exclusive.In post 1472, mozamis wrote:
that is a good call, Beef you think me and Thor are scum together? I mean...wtf??!!In post 1461, Thor665 wrote:@Beefster - why the sudden reverse on the Thor/Moz situation? You have been having a habit of late of just kind of going with the flow, and it's not as endearing as your earlier play.
I can see moz/COA/HWS or Thor/HWS/??? but not Thor/moz/HWS
But tbh, I haven't really been paying super close attention to the game.
Made up nonsense.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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obviously you didnt lie beacuse you are town.
wahT do want, "I GOT MY READ ON THOR WRONG, LOVE MOZAMIS".
Sure, i'll give you that, as long as you do the same to Flubb, yeah?
WE ALL GET READS WRONG THIS IS MAFIA FOR FUCKS SAKE.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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The funny thing is, I am more likely to get lynched now than Tex or EP. They must be lauging their ARSES off in the scum PT.
That catch up post from EP didn't contain anything that looked like scumhunting. He's happy to sheep RC's reads "Max/Klick/Tex" - no reasons given - then happy to vote me a few posts later. No reason given.
Him or Tex for me.
I'll vote Beef we have absolutely have to, but his posts like "not really following the game" have the ring of truth.
And the way he is flinging his vote around - not unlike me - makes me doubt hes scum. It's not blending in UNLIKE EP OR TEX WHICH IS ALL THEY DO.
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In post 1514, Thor665 wrote:And I never presented anything untrue about Flubb. He's even half admitted it himself. He made up meta on me.
The only issue is whether you think that was a valid reason for me to scumread him or not.
You did present untruths on me.
I scumread that.
I scumread that quite a lot.
Especially when paired with empty attacks.
you're just omgusing. I thought you were sum. So i thought you were lying. I was wrong about that. Like you were wrong about FLubber.
STOP OMGUSING AND GET ON WITHTHE FUCKING GAME.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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yeaqh good call, i'm not gonna read Thor anymore, guy is town but not interested in sensible debate.In post 1523, Flubbernugget wrote:This is wrong of me.
I shouldn't have said anything. I know better.
I'll have moz and Thor on shutoff now, sorry.
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why not EP? At least Beefster IS VOTING and doing stuff.In post 1527, texcat wrote:VOTE: Beefster
I didn't like hislynch me--I'll sacrifice myself for town's sakedefense yesterday. I don't like hisI'm not really paying attentiondefense today. They both seemed very calculated and deliberate to me. I can imagine his scum partner telling Beefster over night that they had already lost HWS and that he needed to tone it down a bit.
I can see what yall are saying about Moz, but his posts still have the air of carefree, don't give a damn, town to me.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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shit my bad apparantly he is voting Klick.
main poin still stands. beef seems out int the open to me whereas errant doesnt do shit.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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so i've been prodded The shame!
genuinely puzzled to why i am seen as scummy - feel i put a lot of effort into this game, andi was a decent facto in lynching HeWho.
you guys go for it if you want.
kinda find it funny thast i am seen as more scummy than errant.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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On my wagon, i get i've pissed off 3 people and they are unlikely to unvote -Beef, Thor and Rc.
But Klick and FLub = yo uguys have brains and are prob/ARE town!
Ah well.
People are in that "impatient for lynch" mode now,i get it. But why dont we all jus tpile on WErrant who AT BEST is useless town, and in fact is very likely scum.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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ah the anxiety of foreknowledgeIn post 1592, texcat wrote:And what should we do in a townMoz universe?
c'mon myou cowardly scumfuckshammer me!You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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WHY WOULD I, AS SCUM, DECIDE TO OPEN DAY 2 WIT HARD CORE TUNNELLING OF THOR. THE MOST ANGRY, ADVERSARIAL "DEFINTELY GONNA THEN TRY AND GET MOZ LYCNHED WITH ALL HIS NORDIC MIGHT" FOR THE REST OF THE GAME.
Totall crazy idea lolYou've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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just unvote me. why do you even think i am scum anyway?In post 1605, RadiantCowbells wrote:I try to avoid throwing my weight around like this. I feel like I have to here. I really hope that I'm right. I don't have anything intellectually telling me that I'm wrong.
But that doesn't mean that it's not eating me on the inside or that I won't feel like total shit if I basically said fuck you to everyone we're doing my own thing and was wrong.
Doesn't mean that I won't feel bad about doing it even if I'm right.
I think I caught something and I see the rational reasons why everyone else fails to see it while I would and I've usually been the one right in the face of everyone else in the past and Transcend's bad so
Game's on me 100% if we lose after your mislynch.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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good to see Tex and Errant popping in, eh? Joining in the chat, giving out reads lol
damn it i made themiostake of seeing a bit of one of Thors post
MY READS ARE CLEARLY ERRANT AND TEX SCUM YOU UTTER DOUCHEBAGYou've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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You know i glance dover yur post, and i saw nothing reasonable in it.
so once again i'm gonna try and avoid reading you. You are too emotional too play this game.
Why are still playing lol you've spent THE WHOLE GAME TUNNELLING TOWN YOU STUPID TWATYou've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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ah feel better fot that guy has been a dick to me all game
back to avoiding his posts though. Zero chance he'll be responsive or reasonable.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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@ RC what fucking "weight" do you think? You've had a really bad game - you OUTED YOURSELF AS TRACKER DA 1. AND THEN WASTED TRACKING TRANSCEND PRACTICALLY CONF TOWN.
AND NOW VOTING ME PURELY OUT of OMGUS.
stop playing mafia, you are complete shit.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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