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wolfyIn post 33, Tchill13 wrote:Well that's a bit aggressive.
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first of all, you're extremely awkward and feel like your tiptoeing around the thread. it's a very safe and cautious way to play, and it feels like it's almost definitely coming from a wolf.In post 43, Tchill13 wrote:I'll participate...
Whats wolfy about me saying it's pretty aggressive seeing how you haven't explained why "this has got to die"?
for example
your entrance is extremely serious and so completely devoid of any life that if you're not a wolf you're a robot. are you a robot, tchill? answer me truthfully, i'm a mindreader.
even your supposed half defense half shade comment on my vote on you was very wishy washy and too perfectly sculpted that nothing you've posted so far feels genuine except for your read on katherine which feels tmi.
i can dig your grave later. thanks for the offer.
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ask your wolf buddies how to make a villa post, please.In post 51, Tchill13 wrote:Man we've got some people jumping at the chance to push others EARLY.-
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looks like tmi right here, too.In post 55, Tchill13 wrote:Oh. I signed up with a few mafia genuises lol.-
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question: are you a new player? i get you think of yourself as bad town, but you're not bad town. you've got the right passion, but you seem inexperienced even if you do have a year on the site.In post 59, Tchill13 wrote:Yeah. You're the type of player where if I flip town I'm bad town but you're not gonna let up till I flip. You're gonna use anything I say to reinforce your case from one perspective or another.
Go ahead though it's all amusement for me.
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engagement and adversity is the point on mafia, lol. it's not bad when we have a 1v1 thunderdome because it gives other players a chance to sort us and make opinions that in turn helps us sort them.
it becomes bad when you grow frustrated and the other player in turn. that's not the case, so i'd hope you'll continue talking to me because i'm genuinely trying to sort you, friend.-
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no no no no scum!KTS can be very aggressive, too. scum!KTS just isn't gonna listen to what you have to say when he tunnels you.In post 69, Tchill13 wrote:Tell me exactly why scum start such a thing day 1? There's no reason for it. The most efficient way for scum to play that helps them in the long run is minimal stances day 1.
now can you go back to my previous post addressing you and respond? i'd really appreciate it.-
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i understand, man, and i'm cognizant of that now that i realize you truly had no idea what you were doing (and i mean that in the nicest way possible) with no ulterior scum agenda. i would like to know still how much experience you have with mafia in general though because from your join date, i thought you'd have a lot more.
VOTE: Mumble
this almost always hits a wolf.
btw iirc mariar has played a game where we were both wolves, but that was a while ago.-
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i'd vote there if mumble wasn't almost certainly a wolf.In post 86, Creature wrote:My vote on implosion is now serious.
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i've never played with him.In post 90, Tchill13 wrote:You're only voting mumble off meta aren't you?-
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could just be a very incredibly asinine read by me depending on how he comes into the thread afterwards, but i'm 99 percent sure he's got to be a wolf just off his entrance alone.In post 96, Tchill13 wrote:
"almost always"?In post 73, Killthestory wrote:i understand, man, and i'm cognizant of that now that i realize you truly had no idea what you were doing (and i mean that in the nicest way possible) with no ulterior scum agenda. i would like to know still how much experience you have with mafia in general though because from your join date, i thought you'd have a lot more.
VOTE: Mumble
this almost always hits a wolf.
btw iirc mariar has played a game where we were both wolves, but that was a while ago.
not necessarily.In post 97, Tchill13 wrote:
If he was town he'd definitely believe his reads. No reason to give reads he doesn't believe them if he's town.In post 94, Cedrick wrote:Idk if he’s scum yet but I’m leaning that way. If he is town I don’t believe for a second he believes any of the reads he’s given.-
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i try not to be cryptic lol.In post 106, implosion wrote:
I'm happy to engage with you if you're not going to be ridiculously cryptic ^_^In post 105, Killthestory wrote:can we have more engagement? i don't want to play a stagnate game.
cedrick is probably actually town.
cedrick is fairly solid v. good spew even if i am ignoring him.
weird entrance + scumreads on katherine and tchill seem like low hanging fruit. you don't offer much analysis off either except for one weird post by tchill which i've already cleared up his alignment for the thread.In post 107, implosion wrote:Like, if you're annoyed that there's no engagement then please, explain why you scumread me and mumble.
mumble's entrance while albeit not scummy into itself, within the context of the game, is a scummy pop in during rvs to lock a vote and leave. no sense of forming a wagon, no sense of solving, and the vote i have on him almost always hits a wolf.
i'm a very dominant player. not sure how you want me to respond to this in any other way than "lolok"In post 108, Tchill13 wrote:I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.
sorry for being honest with you? do you want me to lie and say i'm way beyond my wolf range? lol you're making very far stretches with your logic rn that make no sense as far as mafia arguments go.-
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uh, yeah, there was. i was telling you you werr wrong. i'm not here to manipulate you by any means necessary. i'm telling you when you're right and wrong, and in that case, you were wrong. i can fake that level of interaction and aggression fine. you reading me town for it is bad and will hurt you in future games.In post 113, Tchill13 wrote:I just don't see why you even brought it up. No need to.
don't make posts like this in the future.In post 114, Tchill13 wrote:
Early day one I'm down for any wagon that's not mine.In post 111, implosion wrote:
It's very beg-the-question-y, as though it would be reasonable to nail someone as scum off of a single point. It looks like scum hedging on either a scumbuddy or on a townie and not really sure if they want to risk joining the possibly-developing wagon.In post 110, katherine wrote:What about it? Should he be drawing the same conclusion as you..?-
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guys... i get you think tchill is scum, i saw that, too, but i think he's just an inexperienced townie. a lot of the stuff he says comes across as scummy, but i looked it over and realized the guy really doesn't know how to play mafia. pls don't lynch him.
also hi luca! didn't realize you were in this game. hi maria, too.
cedrick, luca, maria, creature, tchill, all v.
katherine, gamma slight v.
feeling implosion, mumble, ausoka as w.
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okIn post 255, Gamma Emerald wrote:
are you serious? It's conf 10v3. this feels like a deliberate attempt for towncred.In post 248, Killthestory wrote:how many mafia r there? didnt read setup lol-
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wait nvm read the game maria linked. he's scum here LOL.
i've nailed like 2 wolves already, but there might be a wolf eluding me. depends on tchill's flip.
deepwolf: maria or gamma (this depends on flips), implosion, mumble, tchill wolves.
ausoka, katherine gotta be sorted.
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i scumread him before he scumread me, clown.In post 271, Gamma Emerald wrote:In your 266 you give a rather clear scumread on kts, unless you'd like to argue that I am somehow wrong.-
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lolIn post 281, Tchill13 wrote:
This is exactly what I expected. You pick and choose the information to fit your narrative at all times. Just admitted to not looking at the whole thing in context. Which I assume is how you play to push you're agenda. I feel that you're agenda is superior town but I'm not one hundred percent sure.In post 263, Killthestory wrote:don't need to push you, and didn't need to read the entire game.-
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nothing. game already proved that it was worthless for me to try.In post 325, Tchill13 wrote:
So what do you want to do about it?In post 324, Killthestory wrote:katherine wagon formation always hit a villager.-
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no.In post 329, Havo wrote:
Are you saying scum are always active early Day 1?In post 324, Killthestory wrote:katherine wagon formation always hit a villager.
not the same wagon formations.In post 330, Tchill13 wrote:In post 326, Tchill13 wrote:Had a mumble wagon formed in the same way would that be hitting a villager? Because Katherine and mumble were the 2 pointed out.-
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ok.In post 338, Havo wrote:
I’ve seen Mumble do this as both town and scum.In post 337, Killthestory wrote:scummy mumble pop in
I hoping his activity will pick up after the weekend, but I’m not counting on it.
i don't think they got a red rolecard.In post 339, Havo wrote:
Well then why can’t Katherine be scum here?In post 332, Killthestory wrote:
no.In post 329, Havo wrote:
Are you saying scum are always active early Day 1?In post 324, Killthestory wrote:katherine wagon formation always hit a villager.
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these posts are exactly why i lost all wim to play this game within 10 pages. i was pretty excited to play this, too, until a bunch of players started acting superior to me for whatever reason.In post 341, Tchill13 wrote:
Alright man continue to push you're agenda. All I ask is you explain reads and don't blatantly push things that are obviously biased.In post 337, Killthestory wrote:scummy mumble pop in
whatever, just won't come back.-
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shut up, idiot.In post 342, Killthestory wrote:
these posts are exactly why i lost all wim to play this game within 10 pages. i was pretty excited to play this, too, until a bunch of players started acting superior to me for whatever reason.In post 341, Tchill13 wrote:
Alright man continue to push you're agenda. All I ask is you explain reads and don't blatantly push things that are obviously biased.In post 337, Killthestory wrote:scummy mumble pop in
whatever, just won't come back.-
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feels a little selfish to stop playing because of a few players, so here's my wall before i completely lose wim.
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like, i'm not sure how i'm supposed to respond to these posts without getting frustrated. i'm getting belittled, insulted, and blatantly called stupid for attempting to push the gamestate forward and accurately lock scum to certain pools to which i believe in. i don't know these people, i've tried not to antagonize anyone, and these guys are sitting here pretending like they're superior to me. i'm not gonna bring up skill levels or anything, but it's incredibly arrogant and pointless to try and bait me with these sort of posts when i'm being perfectly reasonable. one guy even accused me of stirring up drama for the sake of it. what???
there's a certain line of aggressive and asshole in mafia, and a lot of these players don't know the difference. sort of why i left the toxic community here in the first place.
really weird interaction. v/w or w/w interaction i sorta feel. v/v doesn't feel likely, or at least, it's out of what i believe possible. i think later associations go on to disprove this, but i just don't like it.
nice v feeling to this post.In post 19, MariaR wrote:
Found my mason partnerIn post 15, Cedrick wrote:VOTE: Maria
If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion
@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?
not liking how self aware havo is. the thought process and content is good, but the awkward tone and self aware posting makes me figure that this guy's trying to articulate way too hard that he's pushing a town agenda. gonna let him lose in my wolf pile.In post 34, Havo wrote:
I’m just trying to find that balance of getting my point across without derailing Day 1.In post 22, Cedrick wrote:
But you were town last game and didn’t seem to care about controversy. Why now?In post 16, Havo wrote:
It seemed to cause too much controversy and took away from the RVS stage.In post 15, Cedrick wrote:VOTE: Maria
If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion
@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?
And I like this new one better.
Creating controversy isn’t a town thing to do IMO, and even though that was never my intention with that disclaimer, it seemed to do just that with some players. So I think this new one is much better.
this isn't even rude... i was pushing a scumread at the time, and i applied pressure on him. i just don't understand this post.
this is the same guy that decided to say i was stirring up drama for the sake of it, and i've been ignoring him all game as to not cause an out of game conflict. don't really feel like engaging a child who's gonna throw a tantrum whenever i don't give him attention as seen here:In post 37, Cedrick wrote:
English pleaseIn post 32, Killthestory wrote:i rolled village btw glgl me
and yeah, that's provocative, but he's been baiting me all game. not sure what his deal is, but there's only so much i can let him say about me before i get a little angry lol. regardless, his posts engaging me and about me are a solid v.
this is a very wishy washy read that i only see coming from a wolf or inexperienced town. really dislike how he's trying to egg on maria while also not himself taking part of the push.In post 41, Tchill13 wrote:I like the reasoning but I wouldn't nail Katherine as scum based solely on that yet.
very similar awkward interaction atypical to the katherine and tchill interaction. v/w or w/w, and i'm leaning wolf on wolf here. just like such a weird thing to say to someone as a villa or both villas. havo's definitely scum off the exchange, but i feel tchill is scum here, too. gonna look into more posts. definitely fits the narrative that i see running here.In post 47, Havo wrote:I was Death tunneled in my last game, I’ve learned a thing or two about how to handle it.
So I can give you some tips if you need them.
But I doubt you would.
i like how maria's trying to sort here again, and i don't think this is a w/w interaction here. feel like maria would avoid commenting on havo and bringing up a potential piece of evidence against havo if they were similar alignments. maria prpbably the v here, but again, i'm still missing a deepwolf.In post 48, MariaR wrote:idk how to take Havos change if he said it was before the game that would've made it now saying he did it while he was posting could mean self conscious scum but the tone so far feels like town who genuinely didn't want to fuck something up.
Whew sr and a tr so far Maria you are on fire
Pedit: I don't think you should give tips regardless and let us see the reaction
again, this is one of those posts that only comes from inexperienced v or wolf. i didn't really want to tunnel the guy because every post reeked of inexperience, and i want people to continue playing mafia. i think i took the ate too hard, and he definitely came across as earnest after i was hard doubting myself. on rereading, this is just a supremely disgusting post that i can't see coming from tchill if he really isn't an inexperienced player. i read his towngame, and he's a lot more aggressive and less appeasing there.In post 51, Tchill13 wrote:Man we've got some people jumping at the chance to push others EARLY.
this feels like tmi as he's remarking on me already picking up on scumtells. the overall feeling of this post is really icky, too.In post 55, Tchill13 wrote:Oh. I signed up with a few mafia genuises lol.
this genuinely feels like him trying to sort me, and it gave me a large pause towards my push. as scum, i try typically to not instantly attack my attacker and make them feel like i trust them even if they scumread me, so i think that's where this post comes across if he's wolf. still gives me large hesitance, though. tone was really v.In post 69, Tchill13 wrote:Tell me exactly why scum start such a thing day 1? There's no reason for it. The most efficient way for scum to play that helps them in the long run is minimal stances day 1.
another level of self awareness that i absolutely despise.In post 75, Tchill13 wrote:I've played like 20-30 games on site. I've played enough to understand why you pointed me out specifically.
i really disliked this post from implosion as it felt too easy of a pile on, and he just seemingly goes along with what maria said without offering anything of his own. no resistance to the scumread, no genuine reads of his own. seems like a typical wolf play for a mislynch early on.
creature as a wolf never makes this post. also his consistent posting is really only within his villa range.In post 86, Creature wrote:My vote on implosion is now serious.
implosion really, really contradicts himself here. your entrance is exactly your first post, and implosion says his entrance is scummy. he then goes back on that and says, "wait, not your first post." feels like a fake read early on.In post 87, implosion wrote:
Not your first post, just most of your other ones.Cedrick wrote:
What do you have against puns?In post 84, implosion wrote:maria's reasoning is solid. Also dislike tchill's 41. Also skeptical of cedrick's opening.
switches up his whole narrative instantly after half assing a push against cedrick. again, fake reads.In post 106, implosion wrote:
I'm happy to engage with you if you're not going to be ridiculously cryptic ^_^In post 105, Killthestory wrote:can we have more engagement? i don't want to play a stagnate game.
cedrick is probably actually town.
another wishy washy read that gives almost no value to the thread. definitrly in our lynch pool.In post 109, implosion wrote:In a vacuum I want to call kts town right now but I don't think I know his meta well enough to have any degree of confidence in that.
being empathetic to my thought process but still pushing his own line of thought is villa.In post 163, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Yeah this makes sense now, but honestly Tchill is just scumIn post 112, Killthestory wrote:mumble's entrance while albeit not scummy into itself, within the context of the game, is a scummy pop in during rvs to lock a vote and leave. no sense of forming a wagon, no sense of solving, and the vote i have on him almost always hits a wolf.
weird post that probably comes from villa.In post 187, MariaR wrote:Only issue with Ausuka scum is it somewhat points to Tchii scum and ehhh on that.
feels like ausoka is genuinely sorting tchill here, and it reads well. good thought process, solid v.In post 220, Ausuka wrote:
Yeah Tchill is town for this. KTS is helping Tchill here and Tchill is provoking him in this post. I think if Tchill was scum he'd probably just take the TR, instead of being annoyed at KTS for a percieved insult.In post 215, Tchill13 wrote:
Very odd of you to defend/undermine me when I only have 2 votes on me. Are you that worried I'm gonna be lynched? Or do you NEED to get the point across that you believe I'm town and I'm terrible? Because if you want people to think I'm town because I'm terrible you don't want people listening to my reasoning. Why would you make sure that didn't happen?In post 207, Killthestory wrote:guys... i get you think tchill is scum, i saw that, too, but i think he's just an inexperienced townie. a lot of the stuff he says comes across as scummy, but i looked it over and realized the guy really doesn't know how to play mafia. pls don't lynch him.
also hi luca! didn't realize you were in this game. hi maria, too.
cedrick, luca, maria, creature, tchill, all v.
katherine, gamma slight v.
feeling implosion, mumble, ausoka as w.
rest i still gotta sort
this definitely locks a w/v interaction with a slight chance of v/v between the two. same with mumble. spew from tchill is pretty sorting later on.In post 242, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: katherine
Ausuka is my 2nd biggest SR. Gamma is a scum lean.
Maria, KTS and Cedrick town. Luca is a town lean.
Rest is null.
didn't even look at the playercount before i joined lolol.In post 255, Gamma Emerald wrote:
are you serious? It's conf 10v3. this feels like a deliberate attempt for towncred.In post 248, Killthestory wrote:how many mafia r there? didnt read setup lol
In post 265, implosion wrote:Ausuka is town. Her reads progression (particularly her willingness to repeatedly add reads and not rest on the list) since the initial list looks like genuine gamesolving. Inclined toward Luca town. I don't think going all-in on the tchill push is how scum opens at that point in time. I don't think there were any other non-RVS votes at that point? And he was fairly contentious. And the reasoning feels decent enough. Not sure what I think about tchill right now though.
Maria seems town as well.
individually, these posts are good. in the context of the game, i seriously wonder why implosion only commented on us 5 when there's more colorful personalities within the game. it really feels he's trying to avoid spew on any scumbuddies or scummy town, and he's trying to let the game progress to a mislynch without damning himself. really scummy play imo, he's gotta go soon.In post 266, implosion wrote:kts is also starting to sound like he's making shit up in a scummy way. His flip on tchill is really odd and makes more sense from scum than from town i think. I don't think that town-kts would display as much confidence on the tchill read as he did if it was capable of being overturned by such a simple meta dive; the read itself was sort of implicitly meta-based.
Gamma I don't think I've seen as scum before actually but I'm also not sure he goes for the tchill push here in this way.
stop being a potato.In post 273, Gamma Emerald wrote:Your reaction was still OMGUS.
very wishy washy reads without him having many scumreads except for two strong personalities being pressured in thread. he doesn't go to mention any of the scummier players independantly, and he leaves them as null including implosion. inclined to believe both are a wolfteam with mumble or something.In post 285, Havo wrote:Very early Day 1 reads for me -
Katherine - Null
Tchill - Lean Town, familiarity, nothing feels off as of yet
Creature - Null
Ausuka - Towny, makes sense and I like the tone
Gamma - Null I guess, I go back and forth here.
Brass Herald - Very slight town lean here.
Cedrick - Very slight town lean, tone mainly
Mumble - Null, not much to look at
KTS - Leaning Scum here, aggressive scum, false reads maybe
Maria - Town lean here, but a bad gut feeling for some reason
Luca - Null, not a fan of his tunnel vision early
Implosion - Null, slight town maybe
VOTE: KTS
to elaborate on this more, the lack of resistance to the wagon, and the fact that it comes across as an appeasing wagon meant to appeal to everyone feels off. feel like the wagon formation spews katherine as a v.In post 324, Killthestory wrote:katherine wagon formation always hit a villager.
ughhh we need to leave tchill alive because his associations will spew him as v or w. going off his posts, i'm forced to read everything with a heavy v tone because i find it so hard to believe scum makes these posts acting like he's been acting. gonna leave him alive until i have too little unsorted to go around.In post 344, Tchill13 wrote:Superior? I seriously think you're a better player than me. I just don't agree with reads made off of 5ish posts early day 1. Don't lose the excitement. Apathy only helps scum.
I think Katherine is scummier than mumble if we are comparing the two (yes there is a lack to compare on mumble but I have more to work with when it comes to Katherine and I see no sorting whatsoever) and ik you're wrong about me because I'm town.
I just ask you play with an open mind and if you seriously think I'm scum you need to actually vote me and push it logically rather than saying "well I thought tchill maybe town but now ik tchill is scum for sure now because I read 1/10 of a game he played terrible in". That just looks weird man.
gonna post a readslist detailing my thoughts, and then i'm gonna leave. might come back in a day, idk.-
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Cedrick - v
Tchill13 - unsorted leaning v
Creature - v
Ausuka - v with slight potential of deepwolf
Gamma Emerald - leaning v
brassherald - slight v
Havo - w
Mumble - w
katherine - v off wagon formation + tone
MariaR - v with chance of powerwolf
Luca Blight - v with chance of powerwolf
implosion - w
my pick for a wolf team: implosion, havo, mumble 100% one scum there, almost certain there's 2, unlikely there's 3. still looking for deepwolf.
there goes all my wim. i'll probably die d2, so this might be all you get out of me if i decide to stop playing.-
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let me rephrase: cant maake a read on anyone without a strong personality, and he refuses to talk about actually scummy people who hes probably in a team with.In post 382, Killthestory wrote:VOTE: implosion
this guy cant make a solid read on anyone not being aggressive and not being scummy looool. shuld probably get him out of here.-
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lolIn post 394, Cedrick wrote:In post 294, brassherald wrote:
Because people don't just immediately bow down to the fact that you have solved the game?In post 291, Killthestory wrote:i now clearly remember why i originally left this site.
like I legit have mountain dew out my nose right now.
I would love to throw in my thoughts on why kts left but I am allowed to say anything negative about him, despite him saying negative things about me-
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