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Post #116 (isolation #0) » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:49 pm
Postby Ausuka »
Notes so far; 38 from Maria is really reachy. 44 feels pretty scummy too. 59/63 is a huge overreaction to the push at that point.
I townread Cedrick and katherine.
Creature hasn't really posted enough to be sorted yet. If this keeps going for a while he can be town.
What kts did can come from either alignment and I haven't found anything to sort him with.
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Post #168 (isolation #3) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:34 am
Postby Ausuka »
Luca Blight can also join the townclub. If there's scum on Tchill it's Gamma.
pedit: If we lynched Tchill and he flipped scum, I probably wouldn't townread KTS for it. Them being scumbuddies could explain him continuing to hard-townread KTS even after KTS himself dismissed his point, but that's kinda meh. He'd stay null.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 168, Ausuka wrote:Luca Blight can also join the townclub. If there's scum on Tchill it's Gamma.
pedit:
If we lynched Tchill and he flipped scum, I probably wouldn't townread KTS for it.
Them being scumbuddies could explain him continuing to hard-townread KTS even after KTS himself dismissed his point, but that's kinda meh. He'd stay null.
The Luca tr comes out of no where
Where is it supposed to come from? It's page 8. What he posted makes sense and appears to come from a town mindset.
In post 189, MariaR wrote:
"Oh look a towny who made a wall post that seems to have reasoning lets tr that"
...What I did was literally just townreading Luca. That's it. There's absolutely no reason why that means I'm scum here. Like maybe if you were scumreading me for not giving reasoning I could at least understand it. But what you're doing here just makes no sense at all.
In post 189, MariaR wrote:
The bolded is interesting cause the first thing that came to mind was "Partner with Tchill who knows he'll flip scum and is trying to not credit KTS"
... what. KTS isn't even voting Tchill. No, he doesn't get towncred because he pushed him for like a page at the start of a game.
I'm pretty happy voting this for now actually. VOTE: MariaR
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 168, Ausuka wrote:Luca Blight can also join the townclub. If there's scum on Tchill it's Gamma.
pedit:
If we lynched Tchill and he flipped scum, I probably wouldn't townread KTS for it.
Them being scumbuddies could explain him continuing to hard-townread KTS even after KTS himself dismissed his point, but that's kinda meh. He'd stay null.
The Luca tr comes out of no where
Where is it supposed to come from? It's page 8. What he posted makes sense and appears to come from a town mindset.
In post 189, MariaR wrote:
"Oh look a towny who made a wall post that seems to have reasoning lets tr that"
...What I did was literally just townreading Luca. That's it. There's absolutely no reason why that means I'm scum here. Like maybe if you were scumreading me for not giving reasoning I could at least understand it. But what you're doing here just makes no sense at all.
In post 189, MariaR wrote:
The bolded is interesting cause the first thing that came to mind was "Partner with Tchill who knows he'll flip scum and is trying to not credit KTS"
... what. KTS isn't even voting Tchill. No, he doesn't get towncred because he pushed him for like a page at the start of a game.
I'm pretty happy voting this for now actually. VOTE: MariaR
1)hey look you finally posted reasoning on your luca tr as you should've done in the first place! It's a start.
2)I can think you're scum for any reason I want I don't get how you think not making sense=scum
3) Also should've been stated in the first post
Well at least I got to squeeze something out of you
1) I mean what I posted was basically just "he's guttown." I mean if you want to be nitpicky and say you should announce that your reasoning is gut whenever you post a read without reasoning stated you can do that, but that's implied.
2) Town think real things with actual thoughts, scum try to fake that. This is like the most common way I get scumreads.
3) Why should I have said that? Gamma just asked me if my read would change, I told him it wouldn't really, which is true.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #205 (isolation #6) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:38 am
Postby Ausuka »
2) Well yeah, I'm saying the thoughts that you express in this thread never happened. You're not exactly going to post what you actually thought when you're scum, are you? Of course you thought something, but what I'm saying is that I don't think the read/thought you posted is real and not fabricated.
3) It isn't shading to say that I don't townread someone.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #209 (isolation #7) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:46 am
Postby Ausuka »
Nah, that's not how burden of proof works. If I don't think someone should get credit for something, just because there's no reason they should, I don't have to go prove that.
I do feel better about you after this exchange though. UNVOTE:
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #214 (isolation #8) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:58 am
Postby Ausuka »
Oh sorry about that, missed your question.
I didn't think of it as a bus, but rather as "if Tchill is town." At the time I thought your vote on Tchill kinda looked like you were dragging up as many points as you could on Tchill but reading your ISO again I don't really think that anymore.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 207, Killthestory wrote:guys... i get you think tchill is scum, i saw that, too, but i think he's just an inexperienced townie. a lot of the stuff he says comes across as scummy, but i looked it over and realized the guy really doesn't know how to play mafia. pls don't lynch him.
also hi luca! didn't realize you were in this game. hi maria, too.
cedrick, luca, maria, creature, tchill, all v.
katherine, gamma slight v.
feeling implosion, mumble, ausoka as w.
rest i still gotta sort
Very odd of you to defend/undermine me when I only have 2 votes on me. Are you that worried I'm gonna be lynched? Or do you NEED to get the point across that you believe I'm town and I'm terrible? Because if you want people to think I'm town because I'm terrible you don't want people listening to my reasoning. Why would you make sure that didn't happen?
Yeah Tchill is town for this. KTS is helping Tchill here and Tchill is provoking him in this post. I think if Tchill was scum he'd probably just take the TR, instead of being annoyed at KTS for a percieved insult.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 168, Ausuka wrote:Luca Blight can also join the townclub. If there's scum on Tchill it's Gamma.
pedit:
If we lynched Tchill and he flipped scum, I probably wouldn't townread KTS for it.
Them being scumbuddies could explain him continuing to hard-townread KTS even after KTS himself dismissed his point, but that's kinda meh. He'd stay null.
The Luca tr comes out of no where
Where is it supposed to come from? It's page 8. What he posted makes sense and appears to come from a town mindset.
In post 189, MariaR wrote:
"Oh look a towny who made a wall post that seems to have reasoning lets tr that"
...What I did was literally just townreading Luca. That's it. There's absolutely no reason why that means I'm scum here. Like maybe if you were scumreading me for not giving reasoning I could at least understand it. But what you're doing here just makes no sense at all.
In post 189, MariaR wrote:
The bolded is interesting cause the first thing that came to mind was "Partner with Tchill who knows he'll flip scum and is trying to not credit KTS"
... what. KTS isn't even voting Tchill. No, he doesn't get towncred because he pushed him for like a page at the start of a game.
I'm pretty happy voting this for now actually. VOTE: MariaR
i don't like ausuka voting Maria immediately after maria makes some pushes on ausuka.
Then tell me why the reasons I gave aren't likely to come from town.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #366 (isolation #12) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:55 pm
Postby Ausuka »
In post 287, brassherald wrote:
Ausuka's biggest issue is that right now I can 100% assure you she is not voting scum.
Meh. I'll vote when I have a scumread. Tchill is probably town and Maria definitely could be town here. IIRC we scumread each other last time we played together.
In post 288, Havo wrote:Therefore I have no problem with ending it early, if it's like in the first few RL days and I feel like it's another typical Day 1.
If you quickhammer, the process of D1/beginning of the game will just continue on Day 2- or Day 3 if town decides to lynch you for hammering. It's just a bad idea in general. But I guess at least we know now not to put anyone at L-1 until the end of the day.
I generally agree with KTS in that the katherine wagon was pretty bad before he last posted. Luca's 331 is bad in particular- the momentum on Tchill dies down and now he's jumping on Katherine, who he hasn't scumread before that post, because the wagon "seems like a decent bet."
Yeah, this. I'm usually one of the most active players in the game and I think I'm on the third lowest post count right now
That said 334 is really bad. Mumble just came in and voteparked the largest wagon. Like I understand not giving reasons for townreads but when you're voting a wagon you kinda gotta back it up.
I feel like the kts wall comes from town. That's just gut btw.
@kts; what is a "deepwolf" and a "powerwolf?" Obviously wolf = scum but I've never seen those two terms before.
I don't think scum would vote me in the current climate, plenty of players have come out townreading me and I feel like the general consesus here is that I'm town. I don't think scum would vote me, at least not with weak reasoning like in 355.
VOTE: Mumble 334 was really bad so I'm happy to vote here for now.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #446 (isolation #14) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:20 am
Postby Ausuka »
Extra-Special Townbloc of Happy Friends
Ausuka, Creature, Tchill13
Candidates For Promotion
Cedrick, Katherine, killthestory, MariaR
Watchlist For Meaniness
implosion, Havo, brassherald, Gamma Emerald
Wanted for Bullying and General Sad Crimes
Luca Blight, Mumble
(If I tried to explain all these at once it would be a really long post and it'd also take a really long time to make, but I'll try and explain any read if someone wants me to.)
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
(If I tried to explain all these at once it would be a really long post and it'd also take a really long time to make, but I'll try and explain any read if someone wants me to.)
What about the bolded names?
Sure.
For katherine, I gave my reasoning in 366 but it wasn't clear I was talking about Katherine I guess. "I don't think scum would vote me in the current climate, plenty of players have come out townreading me and I feel like the general consesus here is that I'm town. I don't think scum would vote me, at least not with weak reasoning like in 355."
Implo could go either way. His reads make sense but like they're not something a scum couldn't fake at this point.
Luca was in 366 too- "Luca's 331 is bad in particular- the momentum on Tchill dies down and now he's jumping on Katherine, who he hasn't scumread before that post, because the wagon "seems like a decent bet.""
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #587 (isolation #18) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:34 pm
Postby Ausuka »
In post 577, Mumble wrote:The two are entirely unrelated...but the former is something that I have been called out on in almost all my games, so I am actively working on it.
The latter has been done. Unless you think I need to make 86 posts to summarize where I'm at in the game...
Or maybe I should spend my time calling people bad and advocate for ending the day because I'm bored.
Meh. UNVOTE: VOTE: Luca Blight
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #677 (isolation #20) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:57 am
Postby Ausuka »
In post 591, Luca Blight wrote:
Ausuka's 446 - So I've gone from top tier to bottom based on my Katherine vote? Like, you disregard everything you found townie earlier for that? Bizarre.
You were never top-level. Assuming you're referring to 168 I meant townclub as in above null. My reads were always gonna be weak that early.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #678 (isolation #21) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:59 am
Postby Ausuka »
In post 589, Luca Blight wrote:
358 - Ausuka, I think you're removing the context a bit here - Katherine isn't finding your reads list scummy in itself - she thinks the fact
she
is your
'candidate for promotion
' is weird given she hadn't exactly done much at that time. At least, that's how I interpreted it.
Even in that case, the fact that I used it as my townlead term in all those towngames should be enough to prove it doesn't make me scum
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #682 (isolation #22) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:10 am
Postby Ausuka »
In post 589, Luca Blight wrote:
336 - Ausuka is misrepping me a bit here - the momentum on Tchill dying down had no bearing on my Katherine vote (I clearly stated my reasons for flipping my read on Tchill). Why does it matter that I didn't scumread Katherine before that post? She had barely any content up until that point - hence '
decent bet
' rather than anything concrete to pin her as scum. Ausuka's comment that
'I don't think scum would vote me here'
is odd as well - I don't see her as well townread as she seems to believe, and it's not as if scum would only target popular wagons anyway.
So there's nothing to scumread him for? And that makes the wagon a "decent bet" because ???
I mean, I guess katherine could be scum, but I think generally, scum try to push popular targets. Obviously people are piling onto me now but I didn't see it happening then. If scum voted me they'd probably want enough reasoning to turn me into a wagon, and his post didn't have that.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #686 (isolation #24) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:17 am
Postby Ausuka »
In post 597, Gamma Emerald wrote:
3. You have also used AtE yourself this game. It's quite understandable given the lack of reasoning behind people's votes against him.
I don't like Garciaing but kts has a point with point one. I recall getting suspected a lot in the past for leaps in my progression of reads, when I didn't take care to articulate how the read morphed. Implosion was in one of the earliest instances of this, Mini 1838. Honestly it's somewhat concerning he didn't think of that himself.[/quote]
So Implo is meant to remember mislynching you in a game a year and a half ago, and then thinking that that instance of being wrong about your progression makes progression an invalid reason to scumread someone?
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 597, Gamma Emerald wrote:
3. You have also used AtE yourself this game. It's quite understandable given the lack of reasoning behind people's votes against him.
I don't like Garciaing but kts has a point with point one. I recall getting suspected a lot in the past for leaps in my progression of reads, when I didn't take care to articulate how the read morphed. Implosion was in one of the earliest instances of this, Mini 1838. Honestly it's somewhat concerning he didn't think of that himself.
So Implo is meant to remember mislynching you in a game a year and a half ago, and then thinking that that instance of being wrong about your progression makes progression an invalid reason to scumread someone?
fixed terrible formatting
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #703 (isolation #29) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:34 am
Postby Ausuka »
In post 673, Cedrick wrote:
implosion Mar 10, 11:07pm Mar 12, 07:58pm 0 days 18 hours 24
Ausuka Mar 11, 04:49am Mar 13, 03:36am 0 days 10 hours 20
Mumble Mar 10, 09:50pm Mar 12, 08:39pm 0 days 17 hours 13
katherine Mar 10, 09:42pm Mar 12, 03:04am 1 day 11 hours 9
20 posts in 2-3 days isn't lurking.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 597, Gamma Emerald wrote:
3. You have also used AtE yourself this game. It's quite understandable given the lack of reasoning behind people's votes against him.
I don't like Garciaing but kts has a point with point one. I recall getting suspected a lot in the past for leaps in my progression of reads, when I didn't take care to articulate how the read morphed. Implosion was in one of the earliest instances of this, Mini 1838. Honestly it's somewhat concerning he didn't think of that himself.
So Implo is meant to remember mislynching you in a game a year and a half ago, and then thinking that that instance of being wrong about your progression makes progression an invalid reason to scumread someone?
Okay first of all just because I said I was pushed for something doesn't mean you can autopilot to "oh he got lynched that game". I actually got nightkilled after claiming at L-1,
thank you very little
. And I feel like he'd have it in his mafia memory banks that "bad progression =/= scumfuck"
Sorry gamma <3
Still not sure why he's supposed to remember that though? I mean I suppose it's possible he remembered a wagon that didn't lead to a lynch from 1.5 years ago, but I'm not sure why you think it's suspicious that he didn't.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 697, Ausuka wrote:I don't really get the Havo votes on page 25. On that page I can only see playstyle-related things.
you don't understand the process of pressuring somebody?
I was under the impression the votes were because Havo was being scummy? I mean even if it's pressure you still pressure the person you think is scummy right?
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
- this is pretty bad given the lack of explanation, and given Ausuka was also scumreading and voting Tchill at the time - It's like she's already portioning blame for a potential mislynch.
Okay so this is total bullshit. Not explaining one minor scumread in the post that I state it doesn't make me scum by any stretch of the imagination. Just because I was voting and scumreading Tchill very early on does not mean that I am certain he is scum and anyone who votes him is immune to suspicion. And nobody's planning to pin a mislynch on anybody on page 8.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
209 - I don't get why she felt better about Maria after that exchange? I didn't personally think Maria came out of it looking that good, so I was surprised to see this unvote.
I understood her ideas better afterwards, so I could see them coming from town. The fact that she apparently has lingered onto her scumread on me this whole time, despite the fact I went through all her points and she didn't seem to hold onto any of them at the end, does make me suspicious, but like that exchange itself did clear things up.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
243 - she moves the goalposts against Tchill - he wasn't suspecting you based on your '
reasons'
- he was suspecting you based on your retaliatory vote.
Yeah, and I was asking him why the "retaliatory vote" wasn't just a regular town response to a post, and was instead an OMGUS vote worthy of suspicion.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
358 - this pinged me as being a bit OTT to link four town games like that, and I believe Katherine was referring more to her own place in the table than the table itself.
OK so now it's alignment indicative to link too many games for meta???????? Pretty sure you're just trying to manufacture a case for me at this point.
"Maria definitely could be town here. IIRC we scumread each other last time we played together"
- yeah, and how does that relate to her being town this game? This feels like a possible attempt to make Maria think twice before scumreading her. She's also a bit sneaky in how she implies I jumped off Tchill only because the momentum of his wagon died down, ignoring the fact I was offline throughout that time and the fact I had my reasons for flipping my read on him. She makes out my vote on Katherine was bad because I hadn't scumread her before then? Err, she probably had about four posts at the time.
If I scumread someone before, then yeah, of course I'm going to give them more leniency next game. Especially since I didn't like her case on me in that game, either.
And yeah, you could be town who just thinks Tchill's reactions were transparently town, and of course that isn't a good point on its own. The importance of it is that as the Tchill wagon is on its dying breath, you switch to katherine, a new rising wagon, with no reasoning at all other than "it's a decent bet" which definitely seems opportunistic to me. I mean, I don't know if you mean that you're voting katherine for being a lurker which would make more sense I guess, although it still seems weird that you hop on katherine for lurking when Mumble made, like, 1 post, and it was like one day into the game.
And no that's not the reason your vote was bad. But it does mean there wasn't prior reasoning you gave for the wagon that would justify voting him.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
446 - Suddenly has me in the bottom tier based on the above. All traces of her opinion that my posts
'made sense'
and
'came from a townie mindset'
have been obliviated.
Well, yeah, that's the thing with early weak reads. They're weak, and I'll easily replace them if I find anything stronger.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
585 - This is a weird reaction - like, why not question why they exist instead of making a sarcastic remark?
I mean, that post is kinda questioning why they exist. Also sarcastic remarks are my thing.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
697 - Weird defence of Havo - the reasons for why I voted him were clearly explained so I don't see what she doesn't 'get' there.
Your vote on Havo wasn't on page 25 though. KTS and Cedrick both blank-voted Havo on page 25, presumably due to something he did. But I didn't see anything AI he did and I didn't get the votes, hence that post.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
- this is pretty bad given the lack of explanation, and given Ausuka was also scumreading and voting Tchill at the time - It's like she's already portioning blame for a potential mislynch.
Okay so this is total bullshit. Not explaining one minor scumread in the post that I state it doesn't make me scum by any stretch of the imagination. Just because I was voting and scumreading Tchill very early on does not mean that I am certain he is scum and anyone who votes him is immune to suspicion. And nobody's planning to pin a mislynch on anybody on page 8.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
209 - I don't get why she felt better about Maria after that exchange? I didn't personally think Maria came out of it looking that good, so I was surprised to see this unvote.
I understood her ideas better afterwards, so I could see them coming from town. The fact that she apparently has lingered onto her scumread on me this whole time, despite the fact I went through all her points and she didn't seem to hold onto any of them at the end, does make me suspicious, but like that exchange itself did clear things up.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
243 - she moves the goalposts against Tchill - he wasn't suspecting you based on your '
reasons'
- he was suspecting you based on your retaliatory vote.
Yeah, and I was asking him why the "retaliatory vote" wasn't just a regular town response to a post, and was instead an OMGUS vote worthy of suspicion.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
358 - this pinged me as being a bit OTT to link four town games like that, and I believe Katherine was referring more to her own place in the table than the table itself.
OK so now it's alignment indicative to link too many games for meta???????? Pretty sure you're just trying to manufacture a case for me at this point.
"Maria definitely could be town here. IIRC we scumread each other last time we played together"
- yeah, and how does that relate to her being town this game? This feels like a possible attempt to make Maria think twice before scumreading her. She's also a bit sneaky in how she implies I jumped off Tchill only because the momentum of his wagon died down, ignoring the fact I was offline throughout that time and the fact I had my reasons for flipping my read on him. She makes out my vote on Katherine was bad because I hadn't scumread her before then? Err, she probably had about four posts at the time.
If I scumread someone before, then yeah, of course I'm going to give them more leniency next game. Especially since I didn't like her case on me in that game, either.
And yeah, you could be town who just thinks Tchill's reactions were transparently town, and of course that isn't a good point on its own. The importance of it is that as the Tchill wagon is on its dying breath, you switch to katherine, a new rising wagon, with no reasoning at all other than "it's a decent bet" which definitely seems opportunistic to me. I mean, I don't know if you mean that you're voting katherine for being a lurker which would make more sense I guess, although it still seems weird that you hop on katherine for lurking when Mumble made, like, 1 post, and it was like one day into the game.
And no that's not the reason your vote was bad. But it does mean there wasn't prior reasoning you gave for the wagon that would justify voting him.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
446 - Suddenly has me in the bottom tier based on the above. All traces of her opinion that my posts
'made sense'
and
'came from a townie mindset'
have been obliviated.
Well, yeah, that's the thing with early weak reads. They're weak, and I'll easily replace them if I find anything stronger.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
585 - This is a weird reaction - like, why not question why they exist instead of making a sarcastic remark?
I mean, that post is kinda questioning why they exist. Also sarcastic remarks are my thing.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
697 - Weird defence of Havo - the reasons for why I voted him were clearly explained so I don't see what she doesn't 'get' there.
Your vote on Havo wasn't on page 25 though. KTS and Cedrick both blank-voted Havo on page 25, presumably due to something he did. But I didn't see anything AI he did and I didn't get the votes, hence that post.
1. No, it's not BS. Saying '
I scumread Tchill and am voting him, but if he's town then Gamma is the scum on the wagon'
is BS. From your POV, if you're town, you shouldn't even be assuming there must be scum on the wagon - you found reason enough to scumread him, so why would scum have to be voting him?
I never assumed there's scum on the wagon. I said "
If
there's scum on the wagon, it's Gamma."
In post 896, Luca Blight wrote:
2. What in particular did she say that made you think she was town?
Not sure how this question is relevant. Maria said things that didn't make sense coming from a real town mindset to me, so I voted her. Once Maria explained those reads she had in more detail, like saying my posts looked like shade because they didn't include reasoning, I felt like the reads could come from town, so my initial concerns weren't there anymore, so I unvoted.
' I was simply ISO'ing you and giving my thoughts. Secondly, you're twisting my point - of course it isn't AI to link games of meta; I think I specified clearly enough why this particular example pinged me. It was like you were geared up to defend yourself on this issue - at the slightest mention of your table, which I still don't believe was Katherine's main point, you're like 'YOU CAN'T SCUMREAD ME FOR THAT LOOK AT THESE GAMES' - as I said, it just seemed OTT.
If you're just ISOing me it's really weird that your outlook is so consistently negative on everything I do
And it wasn't the "slightest mention"- even if I was wrong about that, fmpov I was being voted because of the name of the townlean section of my readslist. Why shouldn't I defend myself from that? And why shouldn't I link to games in which I used the format as town (which weren't exactly hard to get, because I used it in most of my recent towngames.) And why am I, as scum, preparing in advance to be pushed for the name of one of the sections of my readslist? (which has never happened before; if this was actually a common issue I'd just change the name.)
In post 896, Luca Blight wrote:
5. How can I help the fact that I unvoted when Tchill's wagon was '
on its dying breath'
given I was sleeping during that time? I laid-out my thought-process; I'm not sure what more I can do there. Since when is switching to a
'rising
' wagon early game scummy? It's what most people have done this game, and yet you pinpoint me for this? I think it's obvious why I voted Katherine at that point, and the reason I've been reluctant to vote Mumble is because I've seen how scummy he can play as town.
I mean, if you're town you can't change the Tchill wagon, sure. But considering you just jumped onto that wagon without reasoning, the fact that you moved onto katherine at this time seemed like it could come from oppurtunistic scum- especially since you voted him without reasoning, which seems kinda weird for you (considering you were suspicious of me in your ISO post for not giving reasoning for a minor early-game scumread.) That's a weak point, sure, but I wanted to keep it in mind at least.
And no, it is really not obvious at all why you voted katherine at that point. Call me obtuse or whatever but I really don't get it.
In post 896, Luca Blight wrote:
6. Your reasoning for flipping your read on me was really weak, though - I could just about understand it if I became null, but you seemed to forget my early
'townie
' posts ever happened.
Your posts weren't that townie. That read was an early-game read to start the game off. Of course it's going to be weak stuff, and I don't see any problem with discarding it.
In post 896, Luca Blight wrote:
7. Well it didn't elicit any answers, and you don't seem bothered by that.
No, I haven't really been bothered by it. As far as I know maria isn't even reading these walls and doesn't even know I want the reason, so I guess I should be asking her directly. But getting reasons quickly is still a pretty minor thing for me.
Not sure how that's really AI anyway though.
In post 896, Luca Blight wrote:
8. Presumably they agreed with my reasoning? What were the '
playstyle things'
you were referring to?
I think if they were sheeping someone they would have said it. Considering Havo was making so many posts at that point it's significantly more likely that they were just voting Havo because they found them scummy individually.
And considering the warning he gave at the start of the game (which iirc isn't something unique to this game) I'm pretty sure most of the posts on there, which were related to him running up implo to L-1 for "reactions."
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
I mean, I guess I wouldn't hate a mumble lynch, but right now it feels like that really unsatisfying compromise lynch you do on a lurker at the end of the day which flips town.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #919 (isolation #40) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:50 am
Postby Ausuka »
Like if your definition of "defensive" is responding to someone posting a long (case/whatever you want to call it) about you, then sure, I'm defensive.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 915, Ausuka wrote:@MariaR; What was your reasoning for voting me in 584?
uhhhh forget pretty sure it was along the lines of "Well impo is town so let's move onto the next biggest scumread!"
Well yeah but why did you scumread me when I'm pretty sure we talked through all your points before that? Presumably you had more but you never told anyone about them.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 919, Ausuka wrote:Like if your definition of "defensive" is responding to someone posting a long (case/whatever you want to call it) about you, then sure, I'm defensive.
But it's very consistently what you're doing. I'm seeing very little analysis of anything else at all at this point.
I literally have TWO POSTS of that. Seriously dude.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
I mean, I guess I wouldn't hate a mumble lynch, but right now it feels like that really unsatisfying compromise lynch you do on a lurker at the end of the day which flips town.
Why isn't he scum?
If you're looking for a towncase you're not going to be getting that. It's not like I townread mumble for his extremely obvtown content or something. But I feel like there are better options for now than the default lynch which basically everyone is "meh" about.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #1048 (isolation #46) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:31 pm
Postby Ausuka »
In post 1006, Gamma Emerald wrote:So I have a stuuuuuupid theory. So there's actually a thread in mafia discussion called something like "ethics of scumplay". Basically the point of it is to argue whether questionable things can be excused in the name of scumplay such as toxicity. Here's the application: what if only Cedrick got warned for being toxic because KTS is scum and has that leeway to behave however he wants?
This is a really bad post but it probably comes from town anyway unless scum!Gamma is really, really creative.
Not sure what else to say at this point tbh.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #1173 (isolation #47) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:50 am
Postby Ausuka »
Not sure how useful VCA is right now. The implo wagon was really quick and the lack of resistance to it leads me to believe that scum were probably bussing implo. I don't see how my d1 voting makes me scum here.
That said my d1 reads were probably still disastarous and I'm just going to refresh them at this point.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #1174 (isolation #48) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:53 am
Postby Ausuka »
I don't see any need to intensively inspect the commuter claim. It could be real or it could be fake, and there's no real way to determine that without more PR involvement, especially with the general lack of info we have about the setup at this point. I'm just going to ignore it for now.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #1178 (isolation #50) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:05 am
Postby Ausuka »
Actually I need to reread maria and katherine. They weren't around during the buildup on implo so it would explain the lack of scum-resistance to implo if they were scum here.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #1190 (isolation #51) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:16 am
Postby Ausuka »
In post 354, MariaR wrote:Ausuka
brassherald
Mumble
katherine
Luca Blight
implosion
tring the people not in this list
I feel like if Maria is scum this means her partner isn't katherine. It's still possible MariaR and Tchill could be scum together but tbh if Tchill is scum he's just completely duped me. His tone feels really genuine this game.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 1173, Ausuka wrote:Not sure how useful VCA is right now. The implo wagon was really quick and the lack of resistance to it leads me to believe that scum were probably bussing implo. I don't see how my d1 voting makes me scum here.
That said my d1 reads were probably still disastarous and I'm just going to refresh them at this point.
VCA is literally the most useful tool we have right now; it's what most of the information we have is based on.
Then the information we have is probably subpar, and we need to get better information.
Objectively, could scum have bussed Implo? Absolutely. Could scum have avoided his wagon? Absolutely.
Could both mumble wagons have been fuelled by town fustration and were town-based? Aboslutely. Could they have been fuelled by scum oppurtunism? Absolutely. This goes for pretty much every wagon. You're not going to get anywhere by putting colours on a few VCs, at least not on day 2. Individual votes on those wagons are worth analysis but, like, there's not really any point in saying X scum are in Y wagon IMO.
Nah, your wagon wasn't resistance to Implo. It was there before Implo wagon was a thing. Maria and I were definitely in there before anything happened, and Mumble vs Luca was still the main event when Katherine voted. And Tchill far from opposed Implo's lynch; he was voting Implo before he switched to you and he never tried to derail Implo.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 354, MariaR wrote:Ausuka
brassherald
Mumble
katherine
Luca Blight
implosion
tring the people not in this list
I feel like if Maria is scum this means her partner isn't katherine. It's still possible MariaR and Tchill could be scum together but tbh if Tchill is scum he's just completely duped me. His tone feels really genuine this game.
If you're not buddying and you're actually town then I'd like to have a chat with you on how to read tone post game.
I'm not sure what this means.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 354, MariaR wrote:Ausuka
brassherald
Mumble
katherine
Luca Blight
implosion
tring the people not in this list
I feel like if Maria is scum this means her partner isn't katherine.
It's still possible MariaR and Tchill could be scum together but tbh if Tchill is scum he's just completely duped me. His tone feels really genuine this game.
You're basing that purely on that list?
Well I mean yeah. If Maria is scum she likely drafted this list based on narrowing down push options. Implo's in there. Would she put her other partner in too? Because I feel like if you're going to put both of your partners on a list like that you just never make the post.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #1216 (isolation #55) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:33 am
Postby Ausuka »
In post 1194, Hopkirk wrote:@Asuka: I can't see anything in your iso that makes you seem like an unlikely partner to both Tchill and Implosion. Thoughts?
Well yeah, I don't think I've done anything that would make that an unlikely pair.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #1240 (isolation #57) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:49 am
Postby Ausuka »
I'm actually pretty sure everyone who is posting {Cedrick, Hopkirk, Tchill, Luca} right now is town.
Hopkirk going through ISOs of players he suspects and trying to find links is definitely townlike. It's the sort of thing I'm pretty sure scum wouldn't bother doing. (effort is NAI, to be clear, but I feel like this particular thing is something scum is a lot less likely to spend energy on.)
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post #1251 (isolation #58) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:57 am
Postby Ausuka »
Gamma Emerald
Havo
katherine
MariaR
I probably won't consider lynching anyone outside this pool. I don't have solid reasons to scumread them yet but I do have reasons to think the other people are town.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.