Mini Normal 2002: The Thaw OVERRRRRRRRR

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought you were talking about when I said It.

They is gender neutral. I’ll say he if you would like that, but I said they because I didn’t know your preferred pronoun while writing my post.

[Flavor Leaf]

Says either Stefan or myself is scum, then paints another two up for association tells....

Am I not allowed to "have my thoughts be out there and completely transparent"?

That’s fine. Just keep in mind you can always be wrong.

[Flavor Leaf]

But I’ve been looking more and I think you’re just horrible town than scum.

So who is scum Flavor? You've basically called both Saud and Piplup scum and then bad Town.

I actually think Saude is scum again

But Hirak/Stefan are the ones in my POE also.

[Flavor Leaf]

Says either Stefan or myself is scum, then paints another two up for association tells....

Am I not allowed to "have my thoughts be out there and completely transparent"?

That’s fine. Just keep in mind you can always be wrong.

Uh...ok. But you tried to call me out for it while you were doing the same thing (and you could also be wrong...)

You realize I literally just stated I thought you were town.
I am not going forward with the idea that i cant be wrong at all, and if you think I am, then I don’t even understand what you’ve been reading in my posts. I change my reads all the time when new things pop out at me. I try to fill in the blanks of the puzzles as I go, by then I get puzzle pieces that contradict what i had thought would go there. I’m constantly trying to evolve my reads, which is why late game I thrive when I’m town, and one of my issues when I’m scum is because people expect me to gamesolve late game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Unvote

Not even sure who I’m voting at this point.

[Flavor Leaf]

But I’ve been looking more and I think you’re just horrible town than scum.

So who is scum Flavor? You've basically called both Saud and Piplup scum and then bad Town.

@Piplup - Moi saw it.

[Flavor Leaf]

They are also trying to have me stop analyzing, which is inherently scum orientated. Even if I was scum, it benefits to have me do that for association tells.

But as town, it’s good to get out all of my thoughts so people can see if I do in fact end up dying.

I have a pronoun. If you could be a polite person and refer to me as a person rather than a thing, that would be great.

I haven't asked you to stop doing anything, except posting every single thought your brain thinks. That clutters and causes confusion, which is scum-oriented.

I said they. It was referring to the gamestate...you’re just looking for things to paint me in a bad picture.

But I’ve been looking more and I think you’re just horrible town than scum.

I literally said it in the post you’ve quoted BEFORE when you said you tuned out.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hi, Gamma. We're not going to lynch Saudade today. Please vote Flavor Leaf.

Gamma’s literally the player that knows me the best here, and if he votes me, when I flip town, you lynch him immediately.

TownGamma would 90% see how obvtown I am here. The other 10% would be paranoia.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, sorry. Must have been the insult that kept me from seeing you calling me "horrible" town.

All you do is tunnel and not make cases, yet still think you are 100%. I call it like I see it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma’s a Boon Babe.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lanky Kong, from the N64 game, DK64.

I'm like halfway to the punchline on this one, what's the upshot

If you’ve played the game, just start thinking everything Lanky Kong, and there’s a word or phrase there that will automatically make sense who I’m referring to.

[Flavor Leaf]

Implosion is town because of agenda.
MOI stalls a lot when he doesn’t have to, so he isn’t pushing scum agenda.
Saudade in the last scum game, he found ways to go onto other wagons and make sense of it, so his tunneling looks more like newbtown than scum to me.

explain his fucking entry

I backtracked on Saudade when I did the vote counts. It’s another reason I started to town read Piplup. During the biggest wagons, that would mean both Cult and Piplup slot were on seperate vanity wagons, and I don’t see that as the case.

I feel it’s nearly impossible for Saudade to be town unless Implosion/MOI are having a good scum game.

Scum team is Saudade, and then one of Hiraki/Stefan. Probably Stefan, as Stefan paired up with me yesterday, and then today is going after me with Saudade.

[Flavor Leaf]

Cases are scummy and overrated. I'm not tunneling (remember when you shaded me for the recent GreyICE and MagnaofIllusion thing?). I'm posting thoughts, stances, and the reasons for them. If you want me to make a 2000 word dissertation to support, that will never happen.

I do strongly think you are scum, and, you are where I want my vote today.

This is a fair point. But I’ve also made fair points.

I just advise you to look at the possibility of you being wrong some more, and look at the company of the wagon you are on.

Saudade, Stefan.

If you thought it came down to me and Stefan, idk how you don’t see Stefan as scummy and opportunistic on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Gamma - help me out. you know I could give much better and more consistent reads here if I were scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I basically think someone warlocked Piplup accidentally and is enjoying the Piplup/Me 1v1, because that’s a mislynch string.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, if I end up being the lynch, and then I flip town, I expect you to do the same.

100% I will.

And this is not a town thing to do.

meh I think I disagree

You think it’s a town thing to self vote yourself after a mislynch?

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, if I end up being the lynch, and then I flip town, I expect you to do the same.

100% I will.

And this is not a town thing to do.

meh I think I disagree

You think it’s a town thing to self vote yourself after a mislynch?

I agree that the deal itself is likely coming from overconfident town, though. But the act of it isn’t something town should do based on the wincon factor.

In that scenario, i wouldn’t even want Piplup to actually self vote if they were town and wrong because that lowers my chance at winning. I’d just want him to reanalyze he game

[Flavor Leaf]

@Gamma - help me out. you know I could give much better and more consistent reads here if I were scum.

rn I'm townreading you, I don't think I've ever stated a scumread on you directly this dayphase

Yeah, you usually ping me when you’re scum. The last few scum games I’ve had with you, I’ve started to be able to see how you are when you’re town more than I had before.

I can’t really use that as a way to convince others, though, so I don’t really have reasons other than, “yeah, Gamma feels town to me”

[Flavor Leaf]

I actually feel I have been more in depth than the majority of players this game.

The game you read I didn’t have many posts Day 1, so you mainly saw Day 2 onwards, and this game I just have a lot of tunnelers without merit on me, and it’s just a bit harder for me to analyze and sort because of that.

I’ll give you some more in depth on Gamma when I have time to go through and quote. I’m at work right now, so I get sidetracked every 10 minutes or so. (I have a lot of downtime here).

[Flavor Leaf]

i don't get why the FUCK we aren't lynching the shit out of implosion still because he was like "lol idk man i might hammer coa i just don't know" and nothing he has said even justifies that or suggests he's that kind of player he was just like "oh yeah haha i get bored" and unless he changed drastically from the podoboq game i really doubt he is that kind of player, the entire reason i targeted him there for a scum push was because i knew he was surgically precise

Lol, my game is not surgically precise. And I don't know if I'd ever describe it as having been that way. Idk what you want from me. Your sense of my meta is just way off.

If you want the most recent version of my town meta, look at team mafia. I was pretty much playing the game on my own.

I have zero desire to read a single thing boon has posted in the past two pages.

It’s actually been pretty decent, I feel. I said I think you’re a strong town player.

[Flavor Leaf]

I actually feel like Hoopla is town based on wagon composition yesterday, and Cult ending up being scum. Cult jumped onto Hoopla, which was incredibly scummy, and was basically what killed off Cult.

Cult didn’t look like a bus to me, it looked like an opportunistic wagon vote. It also is why I started looking into Stefan, because Stefan was on Hoopla the entire time, and I was hard defending Stefan and pushing Hoopla.

Mix in Saudade being a potential lynch, i think that scum team seems rather plausible.

Stefan coming in today pushing me, after Cheetory death, makes perfect sense coming from ScumStefan/ScumSaudade, since Saud could already hide behind the mindless tunnel on me.

I was also pushing Cheetory/Implosion as basically lock scum, but that’s one of the reasons I like to have locked down reads, so when i evolve it, i can catch scum in their tracks.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor's super defensive town continues

K, yo just flat out called me town here

[Flavor Leaf]

saudade,my dude do you have any goddamn reads besides flavor

it seems like you have a townread on gamma, correct me if i'm wrong+expound if i'm right

townread on gamma stefan and a weaker townlean on implo that's all

Gamma, the person who he can potentially convince to sheep or defend, even though I’m pretty sure Gamma scum reads Sauda, Stefan, the partner that they need to preserve in each other because they lost Cult, and Implosion, the town with some power that they want to buddy up with.

[Flavor Leaf]

Saudade is scum reading me for defensive tone, when he literally saw me spam up a game where I was being defensive the entire time...

[Flavor Leaf]

You were playing with a lot more... balls(?) in our newbie game.

No I scumread you for a sh!t load of other things beforehand but I just like pointing that out because it ultimately symbolizes your entire gameplay

That’s a personality thing, not an AI thing

[Flavor Leaf]

You were playing with a lot more... balls(?) in our newbie game.

Fair enough. I can’t do that here because too many people are tunneling me and don’t look at my analysis.

[Flavor Leaf]

You were playing with a lot more... balls(?) in our newbie game.

No I scumread you for a sh!t load of other things beforehand but I just like pointing that out because it ultimately symbolizes your entire gameplay

That’s a personality thing, not an AI thing

no it puts in contrast your defensive tonedscumplay to your balls-like townplay

EVERYONE KNOWS IM BALLSIER AS SCUM.

You’ve also never seen me as scum, so you using meta reads to strengthen a case has no merit.

I claimed neighbor with my two scum buddies recently to win a game.

I play with buddies well as scum, and don’t generally have everyone coming at me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I wasn't a defeatist I actually came into this day with a half of an open mind giving flavor a chance.. alas you cannot change what you roll

That's not what I saw as defeatist, I saw you not getting your wagon over a scum lynch and complaining about it as defeatist

To be fair I'd be a lot more happy coming into this day had we lynched Flavor day one and he flipped, I'd feel.. accomplished?

You’d rather not have had a scum flip? This is incredibly scummy.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Stefan

No, I was being annoying. Difference.

But I’d rather go Stefan today. Saudade I need some more time with, and I’d rather just hit scum today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Both of us know you won't because you don't think you can pull this one off and try to towntell out of this by sharing your "well saudade is voting me but hes newbtown"
but then you realzie you've no other way out of this either so "well maybe saudade is scum"

I can pull anything off

If you don’t think I’m arrogant enough to actually think that, well, okay then, you do youzzz

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess you feel like you can lynch Stefan because Implosion is fosing me and Gamma just unvoted me so you back off huh

No, you’re just tunneling, and will hide behind a 1v1.

I could probably convince Gamma why you are scum.

I just think stefan is scummier than you and have more to go on.

You don’t have much, because you’re actively not doing anything but tunneling.

[Flavor Leaf]

Both of us know you won't because you don't think you can pull this one off and try to towntell out of this by sharing your "well saudade is voting me but hes newbtown"
but then you realzie you've no other way out of this either so "well maybe saudade is scum"

I can pull anything off

'cept win a game you cant

I win the majority of my games. However, i have lost a few more recently. I had a two plus year undefeated scum streak. Would be odd if I couldn’t win a game with that.

[Flavor Leaf]

It feels like every person in this game has their pet 100% scumread and almost all of them are on different people.

I don’t. I’ve been making this point the part pages, alongside with having near similar reads to you.

I’ve literally mind melded with implosion.

Grumpy old grandpa is town.

@Prism - I actually felt his read on me made a lot of sense. I explained that i felt he fits the black and White playstyle but realizes a lot of players don’t play that way, and he hates that, but takes it into consideration. And that’s what he did with me.

[Flavor Leaf]

by god.

bet you 20$ if you unvote StefanB and vote me Flavor will unvote Stefan as well in 2 pages and claim that I am his eternal scumread again

Nothing wrong with that.

But yeah, I’ll basically lynch anyone in my POE pool at this point, starting with Stefan, then Sauda, then Hiraki, but Hiraki is basically just POE completely.

[Flavor Leaf]

Anyways not to discredit who you are as a player Flavor this is just friendly banter a'ight?
you're still scum tho

Yeah, no worries. More people should understand this.

You’re right, though. I know you’re not Mafia. We had a werewolf flip.

[Flavor Leaf]

And when you read our interactions with this mindset every single post of yours makes sense from a scum point of view

I think you just want me to be scum at this point. I actually feel I’ve been rather townie. Just personality is scummy.

[Flavor Leaf]

You are the last player here I'd want to be scum

I don’t really understand what this means, but I think I enjoyed reading it.

[Flavor Leaf]

You don't deserve a pet, Prism

lolwut
this kinda feels like a town post

Yeah, I flip flopped on Saude again.

I want Stefan on a pike, though.


@Grey - Eh, yo, Grey, let’s prove you right, and prove me wrong from Day 1. Let’s lynch the B, the StefanB.

[Flavor Leaf]

Which avatar makes me come off as more annoying, this one, or my Kuzco avatar on Boonskiies?

[Flavor Leaf]

Which avatar makes me come off as more annoying, this one, or my Kuzco avatar on Boonskiies?

I feel like this one makes me a condescending dick, and boon’s makes me an obnoxious dick.

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk, this is the most exciting Prism’s ever been. I like it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m a loyal MD who got a result on Hoopla. There was motion

[Flavor Leaf]

Stefan being hung up on the VT when I backtracked that VT claim long who is scummy

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Long ago is*

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VOTE: Piplup

Just voting the counterwagon, tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like it should be obvious I’m going to be a mislynch, butnpeople don’t like to actually analyze

[Flavor Leaf]

Hoopla is conf town for me, and Implosion could easily have hammered and been fine on me today, I trust this wagon enough.

[Flavor Leaf]

I picked Hoopla because that was one of my biggest scum reads yesterday, and I had the least reasons to back Hoopla up out of my scum reads. If you check my posts, I immediately changed my reads on Hoopla this day phase, and during all my explanations on all my reads, I left Hoopla out of nearly ALL of them.

I also said Lanky Kong from DK 64. A voice line he CONSTANTLY says when he’s jumping is HOOLA HOOP!

[Flavor Leaf]

Having a real hard time believing that claim for multiple reasons.

But is it more likely I’d be faking it as town or scum? Exactly, town.

However, it’s a real claim. you can go back and check every single thing I just stated and it’s been out for a long time.

[Flavor Leaf]

So...

GIVE FLAVOR A CHANCE

[Flavor Leaf]

Clap clap

[Flavor Leaf]

GIVE FLAVOR A CHANCE

[Flavor Leaf]

The part that is the hardest to buy is the Loyal Modifier - I could see you as a scum Motion Detector for sure.

How...UC’s the mod and he’s played with me multiple times, including in my games, I believe. Haha.

I understand that now. I didn’t think of that, because I saw that I am loyal.

But UC has seen the loyal modifier in my games before, I believe, so I didn’t really question it when i saw my role on. Loyal’s gotten pretty common in normals since it’s whitelisted now.

[Flavor Leaf]

The part that is the hardest to buy is the Loyal Modifier - I could see you as a scum Motion Detector for sure.

If I was a scum MD, i wouldn’t be claiming MD here.

If I was scum, I would definitely be something else.

If I was a scum MD, I think I’d have claimed JK or something.

[Flavor Leaf]

Clap clap

[Flavor Leaf]

GIVE FLAVOR A CHANCE

[Flavor Leaf]

No matter what happens, at least no one can deny this raw charisma!

(I think it comes across better in person )

[Flavor Leaf]

@Grey - I’ll target MOI tonight. That’s good either way

[Flavor Leaf]

stop fucking spamming the game or i will hammer you.

People really need to stop with this mentality, especially when people are in peril.

VOTE: Flavor

I’m out. Done with this game.

I was VT. :LOLOLOLOLOL:

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah not letting this go.

I’m the Town Tracker. Crumbed in the first letter of each sentence of 507. Tried to track Grey last night and got No Result which I confirmed with the Mod is not a Went Nowhere result. Which is why I was leaning heavily to there being a blocker.

No way both a full Tracker and Loyal Motion Detector are both Town when we already have a flipped Goon.

Happy for today to be me versus Flavor.

Eyyyy. That’s how I crumb a lot of the time.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have no idea why you're claiming you wouldn't fakeclaim this as scum. It seems like literally exactly the kind of thing you'd fakeclaim here as scum, even if you're town.
pedit sigh.

I don’t fake claim Loyal as scum anymore.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have no idea why you're claiming you wouldn't fakeclaim this as scum. It seems like literally exactly the kind of thing you'd fakeclaim here as scum, even if you're town.
pedit sigh.

You were gonna hammer anyways. I was going to keep posting.

[Flavor Leaf]

Regardless of my obnoxious play, my reads are probably actually pretty solid.

This way i can give my thoughts for sure, and not get hung up on things

[Flavor Leaf]

Moi counter claiming wth Tracker is likely town coming, however he wasn’t already on me, so it could just be a reassurance from scum.

I could make a play like that as scum, anyways, and I’m sure he could as well, but it got me to town read.

Grumpy grandpa Implosion is town. Could have done a lot of things if he was scum, and he’s coming from a town agenda.

Stefan is scummy af, and people saying he’s obvtown is ridiculous. He’s blatantly misrepping and pushing things how he wants to push them and going for his scum agenda, yet he went political about it, so he got obv town’d? Lol.

Saudade tunneled with like no other reads on top of Stefan changing paths to follow their agenda, so that’s likely scum.

VCA backs that up as well.

Gamma is pretty townie. He town reads me pretty easily when he’s town, even if I’m scum, and when he’s scum, he likes to leave me open and i believe he town read me the most here, making his reads probably the most accurate this game, unless I’m actually correct, then i’d give it to me.

GreyIce is likely town. I can see that town tunneling just move the game along mindset. If he’s scum, he’s playing well, and I never would have voted there.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah Flavor has gone into trolling scum Mode.

I’ll be looking at Hiraki tonight with a scum Flavor flip.

I can link you to games that i go trolling scum mode. This is just me giving reads.

@Grey - I believe his read 110% too.


I’m just VT.

[Flavor Leaf]

My POE list still stands.

Stefan, Saudade, Hiraki.

I don’t really have much stuff on Hiraki. I feel they kind of wall.

[Flavor Leaf]

Then after all the shit you pulled you're an excellent lynch and I regret nothing.

You act like I don’t agree. LOL

I agree with my lynch. But you can’t say i didn’t do all the shit I could to try and stop it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I analyzed the fuck out of this game, and my town flip will show that. Had to try other things because scum got you guys hard.

[Flavor Leaf]

Then after all the shit you pulled you're an excellent lynch and I regret nothing.

Other than the fake claim, describe what “shit” I pulled.

[Flavor Leaf]

I just don’t understand how some players can look at some of the more “elite” players on site, and watch their play and still think that.

I’m constantly seeing those players horribly incorrect on their reads, they can only fool black and white level of logic players. It’s just weird.

I’m not saying that happened here or anything, just the general thing’s been out there. I’ve been scum on my alts around them, and it’s just not hard against players like that. Town is, because my way of scum hunting, even while correct, seems trollish.
Again, not saying that happened here, as I agree with my lynch. Scum played well to the crowd on that one.

It made sense for scum to try and discredit me.my reads are generally solid, and with this player group, I was always going to be mislynched.
Third time being lynched as town in 3+ years, I believe.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah Flavor has gone into trolling scum Mode.

I’ll be looking at Hiraki tonight with a scum Flavor flip.

I can link you to games that i go trolling scum mode. This is just me giving reads.

@Grey - I believe his read 110% too.


I’m just VT.

Yeah on the off chance you are Town welcome to my personal “Do Not Play With List”.

I don’t think you are and as scum this is fine Twilight trolling. But as Town? Never want to risk being Town with you in a game going forward.

Eh, I have like 5 accounts. Good luck with that. I just play and not worry about anything.

That’s a personal thing on your part.

Besides the town fake claim, which I basically had to do for any chance of survival, I played well.

I have clear analysis, people just pushed it as scum because they’re tunneled.

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I picked Hoopla because that was one of my biggest scum reads yesterday, and I had the least reasons to back Hoopla up out of my scum reads. If you check my posts, I immediately changed my reads on Hoopla this day phase, and during all my explanations on all my reads, I left Hoopla out of nearly ALL of them.

I also said Lanky Kong from DK 64. A voice line he CONSTANTLY says when he’s jumping is HOOLA HOOP!

I thought you'd targeted Saudade, cos ngl I thought you were talking about the "he's got no style, he's got no grace" thing.

Oh, dang. Haha. I think saude’s got some style, though.


@Saude - If you are town, look at my stuff please, haha. And subtract the scum stuff on you, and push it forward.

[Flavor Leaf]

Loyal MD is pretty much a better cop, since you only get results if you target townies. I'd say I can't believe the mini normal review committee would allow an upgraded cop into the game, but I've proven to have literally zero understanding of the current mini normal review committee. My impression is that they couldn't balance a brick on farmer's field, since the shit they've thrown out as "fine" literally hurts me.

I believe MOI's claim 110% for the record.

loyal has it's own layer of wifom if attached to an investigative though. I can definitely tell you loyal isn't as strong as you think here.

They just don’t get it, haha.

There’s a reason Gamma could tell I was town.

@Gamma - if you’re scum, I’m low key rooting for you, because I want you to have an impressive scum victory.

But I think you’re town, and I’d rather win than have you have an impressive cum victory.

[Flavor Leaf]

Had I been kept alive, scum would have also been WIFOM’d to the point of nearly killing me, or risking having a second INNO’d on their hands. I’ve had that happen plenty of times. I get Night Killed a lot.

It’s hard to play with a bunch of Black and White based players. Need to add the rest of the rainbow.

Mafia is fluid, yo.

Y’all are like the older generation who won’t adapt, and I’m the young upstart millennial who sees the ways it can be so much better and improve town win rates.

Prism saw a game of mine that proved that. They kept mentioning it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll be looking at Hiraki tonight with a scum Flavor flip.

Not necessary. He won't flip red.

They’re gonna push you for saying this, even if you are town just being correct.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll be looking at Hiraki tonight with a scum Flavor flip.

Not necessary. He won't flip red.

MOI could be scum Tracker who thought I was town fakeclaiming.

That’s a pretty decent scum move to give credit to a tracker claim. I could see him doing it.

[Flavor Leaf]

At the end of the day, regardless of your alignment, you accomplished nothing and got yourself lynched. Blame everyone else all you want, but maybe the issue here is that what you did was fucking stupid, and fakeclaiming is an auto lynch in all circumstances.

I didn’t get myself lynched. I feel accomplished in my reads. I clearly analyzed the game and gave all my reads.

You guys just play incredibly black and white is all. I’m not mad. It’s not like I didn’t see it coming.

I did everything I could to try and stop it. The last claim at the end was my Hail Mary.

You can’t go back and look at my posts and say I didn’t analyze the game or attempt to find scum.

I did a lot. I just didn’t agree with the popular reads.