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I seen a lack of scum hunting from nos. A lack of progression on his performer read (on most of his reads but performer is the one that stands out). Active lurking and seems to ask questions for the sake of looking like he's doing something.

So please tell me why the nos wagon composition is scummier or maybe why garmr is scummier than nos?

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I have a couple of issues with that post but I'm not sure it's going to get us anywhere so I'll just leave it.

I really don't think we should be lynching Performer FWIW.

Why shouldn't we lynch performer?

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Why should we lynch Performer?

I'll let Bbt answer first.

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So nos being town has nothing to do with nos's play it's because of me? From NM's perspective. Makes sense.

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So nos being town has nothing to do with nos's play it's because of me? From NM's perspective. Makes sense.

I not mafia think you are scum.

Shocker.

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Idk if I should even mention wall post anymore?

I'm about to catch up on iso's.

Wall posts incoming I guess

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It's definitely OK to TR garmr. Why do you TR garmr?

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I have a couple of issues with that post but I'm not sure it's going to get us anywhere so I'll just leave it.

I really don't think we should be lynching Performer FWIW.

Why shouldn't we lynch performer?

@bbt.

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Oh, because he is town. I'm pretty sure I explained my town read on Performer somewhere but it's along the lines of him not taking advantage of me being widely town read D1 and keeping suspicion on me. As scum, I expect (and he agreed) that he would just town read me and then kill me to avoid having to deal with me.

Second to this, Performer is nowhere near the scummiest person in this game. I'd lynch, Tommy, Aristo, BV/Ircher and teacher before Performer.

i feel like our reads are pretty different because im allowing for the possibility of performer to be scum and you are not.

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very cute avi change guys lol.

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1.Meta saying you would never postion yourself that way as scum is pretty much useless as it doesn't make everything null. Saying if you were ready to hammer invis or not also enforces my point about you waiting to see the out come; I would suspect in your town games you would of put some input about how you saw his claim or not, even a willingness to hammer to show the wagon would go through. Also it shows you can say anything day 2 to adjust to town. Nothing in your answer accounts for those.

2.484 does nothing to push the game forward and you didn't even use any information to push out any more information.

3.This reassures me how?

1. thats not meta. its a direct consequences of things ive said this game
2. you picked a stupid post to have this argument with. it was a rhetorical question to the whole that only one person responded to. i dont have to force people to engage with me.
3. coasting is whatever. its practically nai.

coasting doesn't help town in the fact that you're not scum hunting. If town can't see you scum hunting how are they supposed to determine your alignment?

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UNVOTE: i can see a world in which nos is town. Probably gonna move my vote to tommy.

if nos is town tommy is probably scum.

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VOTE: tommy

i like this wagon composition more. Performer and nos can definitely be town this game.

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ircher i appreciate the efort, i really do, but page by page catchups will just bog down the thread.

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tommy is at L-1 if irchers vote counts.

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Umm I see where you're coming from on Byron, I just disagree. Which it's fine to disagree as long as we work together.

If Tommy flips town then I'm going to assume scum has hard defended scum.

This would also mean nos is pretty likely to flip scum imo.

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And like I said my case on performer is primarily associations. His play by itself does indeed look town.

Wave has done a great job of "looking" town. He could be a "deep" wolf.

I still haven't sorted bbt/garmr properly.

Nos/performer/ircher would be where I looked if Tommy is town.

I only TR ircher because I think ik who gus was. That's a pretty weak reason.

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I look forward to it

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if you've only done a breakdown on the first 10 pages I should definitely be a scum candidate.

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still understandable lol. you shouldnt think of TR'ing me until around pg 40.

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Damn it...

So nos is scum right?

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VOTE: garmr

If garmr is scum then Bbt is. If garmr is town nos is scum.

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VOTE: nos

I really really hated garmrs opening post and it has scum written all over it buuuuut this is my gut feeling.

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I'm not scum get your head out of your ass....

Damn it. There's a good possibility it's garmr/bbt/performer.

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I knew Byron was town BECAUSE IF HE WAS SCUM AND UNVOTED A TOWNIE DAY 1 WHEN HE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE NEXT LYNCH... That's a top tier play. I didn't think he was capable of that. Obviously he wasn't scum. Scum hardly ever gambit day 1 when there's the least need to.

YOU'RE MANIPULATING THE SITUATION TO FIT YOUR NARRATIVE. This makes me feel that you're scum. If Bbt knows nos is town then he opens with that. Let's me push nos this day phase. We mislynch nos. I'm lynched next day phase because of it. Scum win.

Performer is scum because of his connections with you...

This can't be right can it? If you're a townie in this game please, please tell my why this isn't right other than scum consecutively voting d1.

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VOTE: garmr

Might as well put my money where my mouth is.

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I meant any townie in this game. Not garmr specifically.

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If we lynch performer and garmr we get a scum. For sure.

One of these lynches need to happen.

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If garmr was jail kept then wouldn't this mean he was the scum that's was supposed to kill? How the hell would that clear him? He just hopped on that and tried to get town cred really quick.

I'm telling you. Bbt and garmr. Write it down lock it in. I'll walk through it with anybody.

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Garmr if your scum you're doing good. If you're town you're doing as terrible as I am. I like playing with you though at least you're active and five effort.

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I'm more certain on garm than geo. As in, I think those are 2 of the team. It's more helpful to work off what we're more certain of. I'm not super certain on geo , which is why I said that talk should be another day.

Teacher I seriously don't see crumbs that he jailed garm. Ircher came out voting garm and saying he's scum, later he backed off so that makes little sense that he jailed garm , due to that sequence of actions I observed.

I will say in my experience when someone plays the way geo has it flips scum 80 percent of the time.

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it is statistically more likely that JK prevents a kill rather than protects a kill.

What? No. They're equally likely. (I have a BA in maths.)

@TC: scumreadlist with a bit more detail, please?

@Garmr: How would've TC known BV jailed you at the time he wrote 974? You say that he might be investigative, but I don't see any reason why scum would investigate BV in particular. Also, I think it's pretty well-known that JK's can be used as doctors. You were one of the most townread players at the end of D1. I don't think TC would've thought you were jailed out of suspicion.

BTW, I'm content with putting Garmr in the conftown pile, & assuming he was jailed on N1 (& that TC was jailed on N2.)

You CAN'T conftown garmr because he was jailed n1. It's just as likely that he was supposed to be the guy who killed for scum. Some MIGHT actually thinks that's even MORE likely here.

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Wave I need more from you. This is an easier game if I have good reason to believe you're town. Quite frankly I do not.

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THE ONLY REASON BV HAS ANY SIGNIFICANCE TO ME WAS BECAUSE HE TOWN CLAIMED WHEN HE UNVOTED THE LEADING WAGON. IF THAT WAGON DID NOT GO THROUGH BV WOULD BE THE NEXT LYNCH. THAT IS A TOP TIER SCUM PLAY I DID NOT THINK HE WAS CAPABLE OF.

You people will beat a dead horse. That's a justifiable reason to TR someone. Someone specifically fought against my logic in the moment. If scum know BV is town they don't want BV to be town read for credible reasons.

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Heaven forbid I change my read on garmr to sort the guy. I half-assed half of d2. I did my usual bullshit on d1.

I don't understand how or why I'm a scum PR for a few read change that OBVIOUSLY show that I'm trying to sort players. Am I allowed to sort players?

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SCUM DO NOT GAMBIT ON DAY ONE. THIS IS WHY I KNEW BV WAS TOWN.

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Is the next day phase lylo If we mislynch?

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Because ppl need to start suggesting teams or at least have an idea.

Does anyone feel comfortable with their geo/NM read?

Can anybody lock town anybody? With good credible reason?

What does my lynching do to help the earlier two points?

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I was TR'ing wave yes. I hate players that back off of activity once getting TR'd. I'd like to see more effort from him in getting town to work in a viable direction.

I can't lean town on wave just to lean town on wave.

Obviously scum has some competent players.

Wave/bbt/garmr all fall under the category of competent players from what I've seen this game. So I'd say at least one was scum.

Geo/NM are definitely capable of coasting as scum in their position rn to a win.

Performer has been surrounded in FOS this whole game.

Nos has been allowed to play a style that make it incredibly hard to get an alignment read from.

GUT feeling.... Idk. That's why I'm worried.

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If NM is scum what will we do to find that out before lylo?

Now say this for every player. Which players have the most difficult route to figuring out their alignment? Those players should be sorted first and foremost.

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I mean you just haven't played much.

Nos is probably scum. How far away from lylo are we if we mislynch today?

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Give me some time before putting me at L -1. I'm not just gonna get mislynched and I'll provide what best I can to help town win.

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Lol geo... Lol.

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Busy atm but I obviously have much to say.

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how am i the only one seeing that performer is scumclaiming

Explain it. You probably should considering now that if performer ever flips town you'll be tunneled.

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Atm anything that results in me as a lynch and performer as alive tomorrow is a good thing for scum scum control the NK so I would assume this is what they're aiming for.

Are we just gonna refuse to use Tommy's town flip as info for the next lynch?

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Performer very well could be scum here. Do they have to be scum with garmr?

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I WANT garmr to be town. He plays hard. He's very active and he gives a ton of effort.

That's why every garmr push I've made has been squeamish at best.

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It makes no sense to rush lynch me as town if tomorrow is lylo.

There are NO SOLID AGREED UPON STANCES on nos, NM, performer.

Geo's rush to lynch me looks incredibly scumtastic. Looks like scum that was a bit hurt they didn't get called competent.

Anybody sense a little "I'll show you tchill" in that aggressive quick push? Maybe just me.

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If performer is scum here why push geo instead of me? I'm a much easier lynch at this point.

That's my only point for town performer.

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That is some damn good work teacher. Bravo.

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So garmr is town because ircher was killed night 2.

Am I getting that straight? I want to make sure I follow the logic before I agree or disagree.

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Partners? I just asked the question about clearing garmr and I didn't see a direct answer lol.

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I can get behind that logic for town!garmr.

I'll conftown him based off that because I agree with your case for what he'd do as scum!garmr.

Garmr is contown.

Geo stop trying to say I said things.

I'm clearly trying to make sure I don't mess up WHY garmr is conftown.

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Geo saying performer could just be bad town is pretty telling for the future.

I just want to know where the motivation is in pushing geo over me. Does performer start a helpless wagon there for town cred in lylo when I'm lynched anyways?

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Garmr does make sense for a n1 nk.

THANK YOU TEACHER for giving me a reason to solidify a TR, 2 TR's, and giving me a direction to go.

I'm not even gonna think about teacher being scum. I'm just gonna tip my hat and say well done if that's the case.

I finally have a direction to work in.

I don't want a lynch until I can talk to teacher/garmr for an extended period of time.

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Why am I town over geo?

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Tommy consistently pushed nos. Hopped on invisibility because it was inevitable. Pushed nos more. Scum has no reason to lynch or nk Tommy unless nos is scum.

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We should have never lynched Tommy. He was consistent. Showed a good progression on reads. I was on the lynch though. Damn.

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Chill I would've easily put you at l-1 if I was scum in this scenario. And your ISO doesn't give off an agenda, you've been trying to figure things out. Plus, I've seen your scum play.

I just wanted to see the case for scum geo over scum tchill. So basically it's meta and no agenda right?

I already said you'd probably push my lynch of you were scum, PROBABLY. No need to restate that.

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OK I'm done with performer/geo.

I need to talk to everybody else though.

Geos late push for a quick day by lynching ME has put him in his grave (I fully expect to be flipped at some point) and that's fine because trading town for scum is always a win.

Performer only can use meta/agenda to TR me. He's strongly FOS'D by geo but geo refuses to act upon that.

Teachers case finally gave me a reason to separate garmr/performer from a same alignment read. It does provide a solid reason for a world where garmr and performer are opposite alignments.

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So because I seen it now after he tightened it up, put a little bow on it and mailed it to my front door step means I'm scum?

This is my point. If I'm mislynched nos/nm/performer is NOT the scum team and whichever is alive in lylo will be the mislynch.

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^teacher did put it nicely together, but TC's post above is BS. Everything in teacher's post had already been posted before.

You're done. Stick a fork in you. Roasted. My flip CONDEMNS you. Regardless of alignment because of the way you went about it. Very wreckless as either alignment really and completely uncalled for especially if you're town. That's what scum do. "I promise you can lynch me if so and so flips town" because anything can happen in the night phase. Anything can happen in the day phase and scum have multiple teammates to make sure that's exactly what plays out. A diversion to the "I promise I'll be lynched next".

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Nos who's scum and why? Tommy pursued you on a regular basis and was town. Why am I scum for pursuing you?

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I completely forgot about aristo. That's reasonable enough hough .

My main issue with you is that I haven't seen much scum motivation in your play but you're purposefully being hard to read. There's not much town motivation in your play either. No sorting or scum hunting from what I can tell.

With the fate of the game on the line I'm forced to lean town on nos. He DOES give slightly reasonable explanations for things. Even his read on me is understandable in that light.

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I'll have to look at aristo again. I'll re-iso nos just to be sure.

Wave is increasingly becoming a good scum candidate along with geo.

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@Garmr: Yeah, I get it's not the only element of your case, but it's the part that resonated the most with me.

I came to terms with Perf's silly, but I wish he could contain the silly to single posts, & refrain from multi-posting, especially with his current gif avatar.

@TC: Aren't you townreading WM? I'd like to hear more about your read on WM, briefly or in detail, I don't care which. It's important.

Why was my wave mode read the nail in the coffin? Would you have voted me if I had said wave is strong town?

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Fine, I'm fine with this.
VOTE: TChill
L-2

& I guess I'm officially a non-competent player for my previous reads...

PEDIT: I'm pretty sure NM is not scum. Lefty was way too town.

I mean you're just saying NM's play is completely NAI because of the slot he replaced in.

I said something similar to ircher but not while I was pushing for a quick lynch that led to lylo.

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Oh I forgot about aristo because I town cleared him because of who he replaced into.

I gave a similar reason for town clearing NM but seeing how it's almost guaranteed that one if these guys are scum...

That's not good enough.

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Hey guys,

Which wagon composition is scummier?

Nos'

This is odd. Arthas pushed nos since replacing in. Then when asked a question that is obviously refuting the nos wagon ari says nos is scummier. Scummier USUALLY equals bad so I'd like an explanation here.

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VOTE: Tchill

Why? Because this was picking up steam?

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This is the kinda game where NM's style really hurts. We're a day away from lylo. Absolutely no way to read you other than your predecessors play. We can't ask GUS any questions and we probably won't get any answers out of you. I suggest you actually participate or you're gonna be left to be sorted by the play of your slot rather than your play. It's the only option I have.

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A slot that didn't make it past day 1 lol... NM's slot is practically unsortable. Idk. I just won't bother with that until km done with the rest of my reads.

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Bbt is town because I had similar thoughts and reads to him early. I understand his play style. He's questioning all the counter wagons to nos.

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So we have:

Garmr/teacher

Bbt

Nos/wave: still have to sort

Performer

Geo

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If scum get a mislynch here they win right? 8 players. A night kill and lynch equals 6 players. 3 scum 3 town.

GEO IS FUCKING SCUM. LMAO DUDE.

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Performer has been thrown around as scum by a ton of ppl.

Nos/wave/geo seems reasonable.

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can someone explain to me how nos is a better lynch than teacher or tommy at present

even if we lynch on wagon, in what universe is nos scummier than tommy egan this game

garmr's town, nos is town, vote teacher for fun and profit

because half the town are somehow convinced that nosfer or garmr are ever good lynches here

also, VOTE: tommy

nos is town

garmr's case against nos establishes why scum might want to do certain things nos has done, but not how they

necessarily

come from scum and not town. i think nos's responses to him consistently point out this flaw and also are how i'd expect town to react in his situation

Seriously, WTF?!. In what world do two scum vote the same slot sequentially together, and then stay together for 500+ posts, much less all three scum vote together? Were you drunk when you typed this?

this happens all the time dude...

HARD defending of nos. Continually disputes garmr but I "know" garmr is town. Agrees with my interpretation that garmr/performer could be scum buddies.

So if wave is scum I highly doubt performer is scum but I bet nos is.

Geo is a given scum at this point.

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If scum get a mislynch here they win right? 8 players. A night kill and lynch equals 6 players. 3 scum 3 town.

GEO IS FUCKING SCUM. LMAO DUDE.

"you can PL me after WE'VE WON THE DAMN GAME."-geo

Sheesh lol.

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I do believe we should claim and no lynch. That said I definitely want to talk to teacher and garmr before anything happens.

Alternatively I'd bet the game on GEO being scum but that's not important unless we refuse to no lynch.

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Where did your push of geo and wave go nos?

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Performer I would have liked to have the whole group give a statement on claiming before.

You're fucking joking that you're gonna be the only claim after claiming Mason right? Like what a bad idea. Another person can confirm your masonry.

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OK I thought we were at 8 ppl because of my breakdown.

I keep leaving off aristo and NM. Sorry.

Garmr/teacher

Bbt

Wave/nos/nm/aristo

Performer

Geo

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This is why I wanted others to chime in before claiming lol.

I was under the assumption most scum teams were teams of 3.

I'd like the other Mason to claim to solidify performer as town.

We can solve the game here. Force scum to commit to claims. One day if not 2 day phases.

I'd be against it now BUT performer already started this and he's not coasting off a Mason claim.

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If scum get a mislynch here they win right? 8 players. A night kill and lynch equals 6 players. 3 scum 3 town.

GEO IS FUCKING SCUM. LMAO DUDE.

On mobile and commuting, but I think this is wrong. I believe there are 10 players alive now, so a lynch is 9. And even if a lynch made it 8, the nk would make it 7, with 4-3 lylo as the worst case result (assuming mislynch).

I’m not at all pushing a lynch. I want to digest performers claim and reanalyze the board. Just pointing out an error.

Obviously that changes my reads if I was wrong about the player count.

DAMN IT lol.

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Well at the least we have teacher/garmr conftown

Performer possibly conftown

Bbt as probably town

Nos/wave/geo/nm/aristo

I can't be as sure about geo given that this isn't mylo.

Someone else will be conftown soon hopefully.

Claims and such should narrow this game down to being solved imo.

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1491 - defending a townread isn't scummy. yawn
1498 - not caring about one naked vote isn't scummy. double yawn

Defending actions as "not scummy" is gross fyi.

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Yeah wave is off for sure.

Wave is probably scum though so it's OK.

@performer you realize that if the next day phase is mylo it benefits scum to counter claim Mason with the other player and all we have is your word versus his right?

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performer, ari, not_mafia i would put as hard town at this point

i still think geo and nos are town

He's basically saying teacher or garmr is scum and that's a good joke.

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1491 - defending a townread isn't scummy. yawn
1498 - not caring about one naked vote isn't scummy. double yawn

Defending actions as "not scummy" is gross fyi.

Attacking actions that aren't scummy is gross fyi.

I'll agree to disagree because this isn't gonna help town win.

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OK buddy. Why is teacher scum and what do they get out of town clearing garmr?

Obviously scum will have to deal with teacher at some point. Probably not the best idea to nk teacher at this point. This seems like scum going ahead and getting this confrontation out of the way.

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Can we not have anyone claim anymore, then? Then shouldn't that help?

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The Mason HAS to claim so it doesn't come down to a cc in mylo then in lylo.

The others are play style preference. I'm not going to budge from the idea that everyone should claim

Scum have to commit to 1 night phase if NOT 2. Scum killing a Mason will validate the other Mason. If there is any other role for town we can learn info now opposed to them possibly being night killed.

The protective is dead. If there is an investigative (I doubt given a protective and masonry) then that is info I'd rather have now than risk not having later.

Once again the major benefit of this is scum HAVE TO COMMIT to 1 if not 2 night phases. They will not be able to fake claim anything on a mylo or lylo just so they are not lynched.

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I never seen wave say BBT was town fyi. I checked a page or two back.

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I understand you want scum to have has little information has possible. If there was anyway to move garmr/teacher to lock town opposed to conftown that'd be great. Any information to move you and??? To lock town that's great. Any information to clear just one more person that's also great.

I think the general scum pools only have 5 or 6 players in them.

We only have to find 3 guys. So shortening a group of 5 to 6 is worth any info given to scum MAINLY because we already lost the protective BUT ALSO because scum will not be able to fake claim during mylo or lylo

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I want everyone to take a position on claiming then we will decide.

It is a team game after all.

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UNVOTE:

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OK? Cool. So they should claim along with everyone else.

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Up to the group I guess. If I'm suspicious of you as scum I'm obviously not gonna outright agree on weak points.

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If everybody knows who the other Mason is I don't see the point in that Mason not claiming.

If scum cc in mylo or lylo it comes down to performers word in a scenario where performer could be scum.

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So you don't agree with teachers theory?

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It's more likely that garmr was town that was jail kept rather than THE scum that was supposed to do the night kill.

The reason he's not killed n2 is because scum pick up on bread crumbs.

So if you can sell me on why/how garmr is town and teacher is scum.

Go ahead.

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I agree with that but the fact that he laid out such a complex case to town cleared someone gives him a better chance of being town over others.

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The issue for scum if we put teacher as conftown with garmr and the masons is that's 4 town clears. The weakest link is teacher. Of course they're gonna attack teacher.

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Oh hey gosh who cares about miniscule details.

Teacher I'd like to have a conversation with you once your caught up. Happy fourth everyone.

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What the hell. Throwing shade on an teaching degree? I've never seen that before.

This is pointless. Please stop lol.

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Are you caught up garmr?

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Or we can literally just let the other Mason claim.

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It definitely should be confirmed

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The people I'm already suspicious of are the ones saying we shouldn't claim.

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I don't understand.

If there's no Mason claim in lylo and performer is killed I'm the night phase scum can cc with absolutely nobody to argue other than the actual Mason.

You say it's obvious who the mason is. I disagree.

If it's obvious they might as well claim. It is a scum agenda to allow a cc in lylo for scum.

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I'm saying that leaving the door open for scum to make a play doesn't make sense here from a town perspective.

Why not go ahead with a mass claim and make scum lock in claims?

I understand the thought process of what you're wanting.

I DO NOT understand how town benefits from that more than scum.

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Do we agree to at least mass claim if there's a mylo?

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You really think we have another protective? Because I agree with the thought process if that's the case but I doubt we do.

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By mass claiming we decide what scum will do. We force their hand.

I feel that is SO under valued.

It's not the beginning of d2. We know we probably don't have a protective now.

Which is the reason to mass claim.

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That's fine. I'm welcome to other philosophies. I'd like to talk about it post game after learning your alignment though because I DO think you're an intelligent player from past and present games.

OK no mass claim today. I'm not gonna budge on the other Mason claiming though sorry. Agree to disagree.

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Bbt's not lock town but I'm not opposed with working with garmr/teacher/bbt/performer/other Mason.

Working with that group today will determine their alignments imo.

I'd like everyone to take a stance on teacher.

I say teacher is town.

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In the spirit of full disclosure I will say

I feel like I HAVE to be townreading someone right now who is actually scum

There actually aren't that many possible 3-man teams right now

Most of my preferred ones don't even make any sense

I'm in a similar place atm.

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Nos should have been lynched a long time ago. Over Tommy.

I can't help but wonder what the motivation is behind geo pushing a fast day.

NM isn't gonna play apparently.

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I was on the wagon lol.

Just take a position on teacher and we will go from there.

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OK. Whats your position on GEO and how he went about pushing to lynch me and a quick day phase? I of course thought it would win scum the game at the time. It won't this dayphase . It's still pretty fishy imo.

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A quick day is a scum agenda. Even if this isn't a day scum can win on you are still going about this horribly. If you are town and I flip town you will be insta lynched. The only thing that can save you is a Mason claim.

I WILL begin to openly speculate about the mason claim.

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Huh? Day 1 and day 3 are completely different situations and require different approaches... Imo.

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Yeah I think for the most part a quick day is only OK on the day with the least amount of information.

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Idc if geo said he's OK with getting lynched next day phase I already said why that doesn't work.

Geo other reads please? There's more than one scum who are they?

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That's an irrelevant dicussion. I'll talk about it post game hough .

Nos what do you think about teacher and performer.

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town {bbt, NM, teacher, garmr, performer}
scum {geo, wave, tchill, aristo}

garmr is effectively mechanically town unless geo drops that sick math proof
in which case i would flip garmr and geo cause why would scum!geo put garmr in the dirt like that

So if one of the scum claim Mason are you effectively gonna push the remaining 3 as the scum team?

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How have you managed to sort NM and aristo? That's the thing I'm struggling with the most.

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not to mention the whole gustavo thing that can easily be scum trying to create content by just picking a NAI fight

Are you familiar with a player named robbvna? I believe that is gus.

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As to why aristo is possible scum off of VCA alone, his was on the lynch for invis but not on tommy, and they were both town wagons.

scum usually compensate for being on a town wagon by being off the next one.

I could see this as being good enough.

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Is there any world where Bbt is scum?

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If this keeps up an aristo lynch can't be out of the question.

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Geo you're OK with going into possible mylo with ari and NM at this point?

Explain your thoughts on them.

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Also I'd like to point out that geo is essentially saying (since if I'm town he's OK with being lynched tomorrow) that he'd bet the game on the fact I have a more likely chance of flipping scum than ari or NM. Frankly that's just not true.

It would seem like he's sorting a PR from that angle and if this were the case I'd urge him to outright claim his information now.

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Softing not sorting

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That I'm more likely to be scum than ari or NM?

Why. Because of previous slot play? You're willing to bet their alignments on days 1 and 2 regardless of their replace in play?

Whats the case I'm scum anyways?

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I don't think it's healthy for town to allow replace ins to coast on slots that could be incorrectly read. That's all I'm saying.

What have I done to be scum?

Bbt, teacher and performer can't be considered lock town yet but are good leans.

Garmr is practically lock town unless teacher is scum. I think they COULD both be scum together but it's unlikely.

If teacher is town wave is more than likely scum for how aggressive they've been with their teacher read.

Geo is more than likely scum given how he went about his push of me.

One of NM or ari is more than likely scum because they're literally coasting and will continue to do so because WE WILL APPARENTLY ALLOW IT.

Nos has always been a scum lean. We agreed Tommy's town flip pointed towards scum nos. I was ran up pretty quickly instead.

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Why was lefty universally TR'D? Activity?

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I have a pool of 5 players. One scum is probably in my town list.

I'm comfortable saying 2 scum are in a pool of 5 players.

If the mason can claim and help me narrow that down to 4 then I'm confident I can have a 50/50 shot of voting scum.

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I guess we just let teacher and Bbt get caught up and go from there so we can have some dialouge about the situation.

Garmr/teacher/bbt is who I'm comfortable working with.

I can throw performer and whoever in that list once the other person claims.

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We can wait until then. If you're town (of course I lean that way) scum will have to deal with that argument you've laid out sooner than later. They can't flip you because it'll vindicate you. Which means they'll bash your argument without pushing you. Seems like wave started to do that.

Could be some scum motivation in holding back your thoughts so you don't end up hard pushing the 2nd Mason but I'm willing to look the other way atm.

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The fact performer claimed then asked that we lynch this very odd and alarming. No need to claim. I'm the one that's gonna get lynched. He obviously thought he'd live through the night phase to validate his other Mason so....

There's more than enough reason to be suspect of performer. WE NEED that other Mason claim.

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I did bad math. I continued to forget about 2 players.

Ari and NM.

I think that's pretty understandable but I'm sorry for the inconvenience.

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Yeah nos is probably scum here and that'd be my best bet on a lynch today if we can't find a better alternative.

When I was pushing geo I was wrong about the game state.

We're gonna have to deal with NM and ari at some point but it maybe better to leave them till the end. Use post flip associations. They're kind of forcing us to.

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Umm we aren't lynching anyone until the other Mason claims.

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Great job scum team.

Gg's.

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Nobody ever loses a game by themself ari lol. Team effort.

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He was talking about how, as town, you shouldn't let highly suspected/coasting players into LyLo/MyLo.

It's detrimental to town.

lmao bbt.

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He was talking about how, as town, you shouldn't let highly suspected/coasting players into LyLo/MyLo.

It's detrimental to town.

lmao bbt.

I genuinely enjoyed playing with you mate and it's a shame there aren't more players with your mindset.

If I were town in this game I would have pushed so hard to lynch Nos/Aristo. Slots like that should never reach end game.

Yeah I hope to play more with you in the future. I understand that style of play it's mostly what I've done. Especially early game. I'm thinking of migrating to large normals. Playing with the same group in the mini ques is starting to get stale.

Hell of a win for scum that a NM replaced a Mason.

Performer I thought you did well. At least you gave effort. I can respect that.

I've never sent multiple replacements less active than the slots they replaced. I've just about ran my mouth enough though if you've seen the dead thread so that's all I'll say here.

GG scum. GG.

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@teacher: Well, I said it in the dead thread about your D2 readlist in particular, but it's also true in general: I'm very much impressed by your play in this game.

Yeah teacher played really well.

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lol

any comment on how that play style is beneficial to town? I'd really like to know so i can stop worrying about you when i play with you. Any way for me to read you or is there any particular skill you pride yourself on?

im objectively asking. You obviously like to play. Enough to sign up. So if there is anything I can learn from you and add to my own game i'd love to. I'm always trying to grow.

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enjoy your trip performer.

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I'm jealous of the tone and gut readers. I'm a more logical player and I've never tapped into that. Which is the reason for almost always pushing you. Your play requires multiple days to be read which means little to no room for margin when reading you.

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It all happened so fast lol.