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Krazy Jack of All Trades
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Would you please link an example of a completed game where scum self-voted in RVS? I would like to see this for reference
Here's motivationVote Rockyvote conspiracy-
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I honestly didn't think there was any response other than "Wouldn't you like to know!" Somehow the ice must be broken, but I guess I can just ignore that thread because clearly this guy is a neighbor in name only. If your response to literally any first question is to go into the game thread and announce who you are neighbors with then you clearly are not someone worth talking to in private anyway. So I guess as an unintentional reaction test it "worked" even though that wasn't really the point.
Anyway I'm still waiting for Horror to do more than a single post sovote conspiracy-
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Krazy Jack of All Trades
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Are you on an alt?In post 132, Doughboy wrote:My experience with neighbors is there is always one scum.vote conspiracy-
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In post 297, Light Ethos wrote: I lean scum on Krazy for fishing for power-roles in the Neighborhood chat according to Dough and Crimson.
Spoiler: Krazy rambling angrily to himself
Now, ramble aside, why did you include Crimson there? He is not in the Neighborhood and he basically agreed that Dough responded in a 'not great' manner to my icebreaker.vote conspiracy-
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Vote Frank
>skips RVS
>FoS with no vote is not townie for d1
WKing is incorrect characterization; this is defensive play, which is a different strategy but scummy for largely the same reasons. The townread on me with no evidence is more suggestive of his early game pattern of prioritizing townreads over scumreads. While he has scumreads now, he starts off with a more quick townreads which actually strikes me as a touch scummy.
No reads through iso 8
106, 117, all quick townreads (very passive)
first scumread is 239, iso 20, on Sau
While Saudade himself gave pushback, Doughboy had already started the push on Sau, with an RVS from Horror sitting there as well. Sau was a very safe push, and he did not push very hard even then.
Doesn't seem townie to me.In post 308, FrankJaeger wrote: If anyone interprets this as town, please enlighten me.
Why FOS here?In post 310, FrankJaeger wrote:FOS on white ethos.
1st post rvs
Rest of iso is fence sitting except for the awkward reply to my crimson postvote conspiracy-
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I wasn't saying that Saud's play wasn't questionable (he's probably town this game but I get why some people don't like his style), I was saying "if anyone disagrees say so" strikes me as a scummy way to push your read. If anyone disagrees they will say so. Asking for them to disagree makes it seem to me like you're worried Sau actually flips green and you want to be talked out of your push while seeming active. Your push on Sau reads more like "I want to look busy" than "I want to lynch scum."vote conspiracy-
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You know Crimson better than us, right? What was scummy about that post Manatee?In post 332, ManateeDude wrote:Ok so I've seen a lot of pushing around that seems kinda useless and TvTy but imma say Crimson was scummy, esp the post I quoted earlier.vote conspiracy-
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lol what?In post 380, Saudade wrote:I think having your greens before your reds is important so he's doing it right at least
early game green reads are not infrequently political. Having 0 scumreads in a 10+ page game is simply suspicious.
pedit: yeah profii is annoying but he's annoyingly wrong rather than annoyingly scum to me at the moment.vote conspiracy-
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I'll give you a hint. I'm working on a pokemon-themed reads list and here's the gifs I've selected for each:In post 432, Light Ethos wrote:@Krazy: I'll ask you the same question I asked Crimson. How did you read Naomi-Tan vs. Flavor Leaf?
Naomi:
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Flavor Leaf:
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You broke the post restriction here, modkill incomingIn post 294, profii wrote:TMI?vote conspiracy-
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You know I actually had that post restriction once. "Mostly Mute Monk" was the name of the role. I thought it was cute at the time, but in retrospect that is the game I remember least from my pre-site-flake. I can't remember who I was playing against or like anything about it. I think it was harder to get engaged to the game because of the restriction honestly. But YMMVvote conspiracy-
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You saw that you were mentioned, read Naomi's post, and responded with a 5 paragraph response in 21 minutes? Hot damnIn post 557, Light Ethos wrote:So after all of that time saying you're going to go through this and find who pings red the most, and you come up with me.
Again, you misunderstood Post 41. That post is no defense of Crimson. You read through my ISO, so your attack on me should probably include a discussion of the main point of Post 418. Substantiate your claim that those posts defend Crimson.
The reason I keep asking Crimson about Naomi-Tan vs. Flavor Leaf is because Crimson hasn't done much of anything other than tunnel on Manatee. For a while the back and forth between you and Flavor Leaf was a significant portion of the game, and he's one of the few who hasn't commented on it.
Additionally, the reason why 457 mentions Frank specifically is because at the time that profii had his vote on me, Flavor Leaf was urging a vote on Frank and saudade observed that Frank's ISO and mine looked similar at the time. I mentioned Frank because profii was deliberately avoiding the active train while voting me for largely the same reasons. My mention of Frank had nothing to do with Crimson, and if you notice, I never voted for Frank.
Final comment on this: your vote me comes down to "here's a thing. These two people are connected." I think this post shows that we are not connected. Despite that, two people being connected is not a viable reason to think that someone is scum. If you're going to say someone is scum, give a reason for it.
If this doesn't satisfy you, we can go into it more. I'm disappointed that your return to the thread lacks analysis of why your final choice is the scummiest.vote conspiracy-
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Krazy Jack of All Trades
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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_GameMechanics which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
Post Restrictions (other than those included in the ruleset, such as "No quoting your Role PM").
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Active lurking and hard lurking can both be scummy. The question is what is scummier for the particular player in question.
Naomi, I've cased him below. Let me know whether you think he is self-destructing, which would be consistent with his general approach to scum, or whether he is doing a weird reaction test as in "Town Game 1"
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3 vs. 10 is more common. If it was 4v9 it would be 3 goons + traitor and even then town would have to have a hilarious amount of power for it to get passed on this site meta. 2v11 is possible if it's another mountainous, but two mountainous games just completed so I see that as pretty unlikely. Unless you have a good reason to think otherwise, 3v10 is most likely.In post 587, Light Ethos wrote:If Newbie is 2 vs. 7, then I'll start by guessing that this is 4 vs. 9.vote conspiracy-
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Here are some recently completed games to get a better sense of how this site balances games this size:
2024 (fairly typical): viewtopic.php?f=90&t=76992
2016 (also typical): viewtopic.php?p=10329292#p10329292
2013 (also typical): viewtopic.php?p=10208374#p10208374
There's a mountainous that completed recently but I can't find the mod thread with the full setup so w/e, it was 2 masons and 9 VTs vs 2 goons. I feel like that was on the unusual side tho so it probably doesn't help anywayvote conspiracy-
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I mod games on this site man, I did not need to check shit to know there was 0% chance you had a post restriction in NY. I only quoted the wiki so people would stop wasting their time asking you about your obvious trolling.
As for this shit argument, Ircher in NY 213 went out of his way to troll people for the "always scum in the hood" Wifom. Don't try to outguess the mod. You think there's always scum in the hood? That was a four person hood that included 4/6 of the town's power and 0 scum.
Being a neighbor is simply being a named role, overly prioritizing it over other things is simply shit reasoning, if not outright scummy.vote conspiracy-
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@profii: To be clear, after going out of your way to screw with everyone for with a fake post restriction, your big fos at the end of it all is to base your top argument about speculation about a hood that you don't even know how many people are in, with the completely false reasoning that there's always scum in a three person hood... seems like your reaction test worked well there champ, good job.vote conspiracy-
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In post 611, profii wrote: It has almost nothing to do with my reaction test - I’ve been trying to steer people that way with posting the percentages and such but I knew it could wait whilst I was doing the 2 word thing
Right now your case requires us to believe that:In post 600, profii wrote:Personally I think the optimal play is to deal with the neighbourhood RIGHT NOW
My working theory is 2 hood dudes outed themselves and someone even said “why not masons” I’m assuming a third dude probably posted in the PT “don’t out me yet please” - simple as that
Even then all things considered
3 scum in 13 is a 23% chance of hitting scum today
1 in 3 in the hood is 33% - with the added benefit if we hit scum then we get 1 (poss 2) innos and we keep any kind of protective un-outed so we can hang on to our inno for a while
Personally I think we go for Krazy over Doughboy
Doughboy seemed legit annoyed at me that I wasn’t playing “properly”
Krazy on the other has was straight in the wiki checking for a PR potential in me which seems scummy to me
VOTE: Krazy
A) There are three people in the hood, which no one has actually said
B) That if there are three people in the hood, one is certainly scum, which is false
C) That I checked the wiki about your obvious fakeclaim, which no one who plays in NY regularly needed to do
Right now you are looking actually heavier than the Manatee and that guy is currently voting himself.vote conspiracy-
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Neighborhoods always have scum and the worst always fakeclaims pr... these are things you say with one game from newbie queue? Are you doing hard meta on the duck or wtf is with your posts? These are not things a new player says.In post 728, Doughboy wrote:
No I’m not an alt.In post 724, Krazy wrote:So you're an alt right? Is this a meme account or a real account?
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Townread
Flavor Leaf
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Doughboy
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Light Ethos
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The Duck
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Likely town
Saudade
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Crimson
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Null / Very Mixed Feelings
The Parrot
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Naomi
Spoiler:
Possible Scum
The Golfball
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Mostly Mute Profii
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Likely Scum
Frank
Spoiler:
The Manatee
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I assure you I put a lot of pressure on my reads lists since my current hitrate with early game reads lists is pretty out of this world and I didn't want to screw up my track record. That being said I've been going back and forth a lot on some slots, I just don't vomit my thoughts out into the thread every time a read shifts a single tick.vote conspiracy-
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Any response to my concerns on Naomi? Honestly I was with you on her being scum until she did the weird rambling reads list. I still have some problems with that list (she calls a lot of my scumreads null). But the more I looked at it the more I kinda started thinking 565 looked more townie than scummy. If you're still dead-set on her being scum I can see why you might not like me pushing on Frank and Manatee.vote conspiracy-
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Why is skipping RVS and hardlurking NAI? Why is posting nothing but placeholder votes NAI? Like you're so certain that Manatee and Frank are town but you are not explaining why you reach that conclusion. I have looked at the other games of each player and I have questions about how they're approaching this game. If you think it is scummy to push those slots for that reason then you are misguided. And if you think I'm scummy because I make my lists visually appealing... anyway sure do your thing, whatever man.vote conspiracy-
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Because refusing to commit to RVS or to push people with votes indicates you are afraid of the town and more interested in avoiding being lynched then finding scum. This is exactly how Toranaga plays scum and it's fairly similar to how Texcat plays scum (and sometimes? Gamma, but Gamma is a separate case). This is why I shot Toranaga in 2024 and I was correct then. Right now I see Frank playing to a meta that is similar to how he played Serial Killer and similar to how Toranaga plays scum and I'm not seeing any reasons to think he's town. Why is he town?
Frank is not you. You might lurk, you might not lurk, but you do not form townblocks like you have here as scum. You play to different metas, and the only use of meta is understanding how and why a player approaches a game the way they do. It's not just that skipping RVS is ALWAYS scummy, it's that skipping RVS for FRANK is scummy.vote conspiracy-
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Sashaddin was L-1, not L-2 looks like.
We should not rush day cycle, I'd like some posts from UC Voyager before day end, but considering the Manatee is dropping like one post every two days I'd also like him to claim whenever he comes back next.
@Nauci, you also have sashaddin, Doughboy, and Saudade voting twice atm
Mod note: Sorry that was a filler paste I thought I'd fix faster >.<Last edited by Nauci on Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:20 am, edited 1 time in total.vote conspiracy-
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viewtopic.php?p=10309010#p10309010I tried to avoid meta here but im frozen as scum. I cant make reads that make sense, and I struggle posting and then what to post.
This is him as town explaining his struggle with playing scum. If you think being unable to make up his mind about a slot is town indicative I'm going to have to disagree.vote conspiracy-
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