Mini Normal 2030: Day 8

Krazy · Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:57 pm

Vote Pernicious Parrot

Hi

Krazy · Post Post #8 (isolation #1) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:25 pm

Why is your avi a Snorlax but your name "Parrot"?

Krazy · Post Post #25 (isolation #2) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:03 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krazy_Kat

Krazy · Post Post #76 (isolation #3) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:19 am

In post 45, RockyHorror wrote:
In post 6, ManateeDude wrote:VOTE: ManateeDude

Gutscum
I've seen scum self vote in RVS more than town.

Would you please link an example of a completed game where scum self-voted in RVS? I would like to see this for reference

Here's motivation

Vote Rocky

Krazy · Post Post #100 (isolation #4) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:26 pm

I think doughboy isn't familiar with site meta or something.

Krazy · Post Post #114 (isolation #5) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:53 pm

I think dough is town but I am now annoyed

Krazy · Post Post #153 (isolation #6) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:41 pm

I know you do not know me but if I write "is u da tpr" or "is u da maf" I am attempting, clearly in vain, to be humorous.

Krazy · Post Post #163 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:24 pm

I honestly didn't think there was any response other than "Wouldn't you like to know!" Somehow the ice must be broken, but I guess I can just ignore that thread because clearly this guy is a neighbor in name only. If your response to literally any first question is to go into the game thread and announce who you are neighbors with then you clearly are not someone worth talking to in private anyway. So I guess as an unintentional reaction test it "worked" even though that wasn't really the point.

Anyway I'm still waiting for Horror to do more than a single post so

Krazy · Post Post #172 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:22 pm

In post 132, Doughboy wrote:My experience with neighbors is there is always one scum.

Are you on an alt?

Krazy · Post Post #246 (isolation #9) » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:48 am

Why tl on naomi? You saw something you liked?

Krazy · Post Post #305 (isolation #10) » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:30 am

In post 297, Light Ethos wrote: I lean scum on Krazy for fishing for power-roles in the Neighborhood chat according to Dough and Crimson.

Spoiler: Krazy rambling angrily to himself

Now, ramble aside, why did you include Crimson there? He is not in the Neighborhood and he basically agreed that Dough responded in a 'not great' manner to my icebreaker.

Krazy · Post Post #315 (isolation #11) » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:50 pm

Vote Frank

>skips RVS
>FoS with no vote is not townie for d1

WKing is incorrect characterization; this is defensive play, which is a different strategy but scummy for largely the same reasons. The townread on me with no evidence is more suggestive of his early game pattern of prioritizing townreads over scumreads. While he has scumreads now, he starts off with a more quick townreads which actually strikes me as a touch scummy.

No reads through iso 8
106, 117, all quick townreads (very passive)

first scumread is 239, iso 20, on Sau

While Saudade himself gave pushback, Doughboy had already started the push on Sau, with an RVS from Horror sitting there as well. Sau was a very safe push, and he did not push very hard even then.

In post 308, FrankJaeger wrote: If anyone interprets this as town, please enlighten me.

Doesn't seem townie to me.

In post 310, FrankJaeger wrote:FOS on white ethos.
1st post rvs

Rest of iso is fence sitting except for the awkward reply to my crimson post

Why FOS here?

Krazy · Post Post #321 (isolation #12) » Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:46 pm

I wasn't saying that Saud's play wasn't questionable (he's probably town this game but I get why some people don't like his style), I was saying "if anyone disagrees say so" strikes me as a scummy way to push your read. If anyone disagrees they will say so. Asking for them to disagree makes it seem to me like you're worried Sau actually flips green and you want to be talked out of your push while seeming active. Your push on Sau reads more like "I want to look busy" than "I want to lynch scum."

Krazy · Post Post #323 (isolation #13) » Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:48 pm

Dear god

Krazy · Post Post #335 (isolation #14) » Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:03 pm

In post 332, ManateeDude wrote:Ok so I've seen a lot of pushing around that seems kinda useless and TvTy but imma say Crimson was scummy, esp the post I quoted earlier.

You know Crimson better than us, right? What was scummy about that post Manatee?

Krazy · Post Post #342 (isolation #15) » Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:28 pm

I almost did but then I remembered you're the worst

Krazy · Post Post #349 (isolation #16) » Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:01 pm

In post 323, Krazy wrote:Dear god

This is as close as you're getting, duck

You know why

Krazy · Post Post #375 (isolation #17) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:38 am

Sau any read on Sashaddin yet?

Krazy · Post Post #377 (isolation #18) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:04 am

He is voting no one and has no scum reads. The only change between 229 and 357 was a single name added to green -- so why make it seem like he's doing a whole list? 357 pinged me hard

Krazy · Post Post #379 (isolation #19) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:10 am

So you're at Frank + ?

Krazy · Post Post #385 (isolation #20) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:14 am

In post 380, Saudade wrote:I think having your greens before your reds is important so he's doing it right at least

lol what?

early game green reads are not infrequently political. Having 0 scumreads in a 10+ page game is simply suspicious.

pedit: yeah profii is annoying but he's annoyingly wrong rather than annoyingly scum to me at the moment.

Krazy · Post Post #430 (isolation #21) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 4:34 pm

Duck, do you have special communication skills with other birds? Can you like, be the Parrot whisperer?

Krazy · Post Post #434 (isolation #22) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:59 pm

In post 432, Light Ethos wrote:@Krazy: I'll ask you the same question I asked Crimson. How did you read Naomi-Tan vs. Flavor Leaf?

I'll give you a hint. I'm working on a pokemon-themed reads list and here's the gifs I've selected for each:

Naomi:

Spoiler:

Flavor Leaf:

Spoiler:

Krazy · Post Post #437 (isolation #23) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:27 pm

In post 294, profii wrote:TMI?

You broke the post restriction here, modkill incoming

Krazy · Post Post #440 (isolation #24) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:34 pm

You know I actually had that post restriction once. "Mostly Mute Monk" was the name of the role. I thought it was cute at the time, but in retrospect that is the game I remember least from my pre-site-flake. I can't remember who I was playing against or like anything about it. I think it was harder to get engaged to the game because of the restriction honestly. But YMMV

Krazy · Post Post #446 (isolation #25) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:18 pm

Crimson what's the plan with the Manatee? Are you still just trying to shake him or are you now trying to stir him? Is he good with olives? Discerning minds need to know

Krazy · Post Post #450 (isolation #26) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:25 pm

305.

What's your read of Frank?

Krazy · Post Post #543 (isolation #27) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:31 pm

Sau how you feel about Manatee?

Krazy · Post Post #561 (isolation #28) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:59 pm

In post 557, Light Ethos wrote:So after all of that time saying you're going to go through this and find who pings red the most, and you come up with me.
Again, you misunderstood Post 41. That post is no defense of Crimson. You read through my ISO, so your attack on me should probably include a discussion of the main point of Post 418. Substantiate your claim that those posts defend Crimson.

The reason I keep asking Crimson about Naomi-Tan vs. Flavor Leaf is because Crimson hasn't done much of anything other than tunnel on Manatee. For a while the back and forth between you and Flavor Leaf was a significant portion of the game, and he's one of the few who hasn't commented on it.

Additionally, the reason why 457 mentions Frank specifically is because at the time that profii had his vote on me, Flavor Leaf was urging a vote on Frank and saudade observed that Frank's ISO and mine looked similar at the time. I mentioned Frank because profii was deliberately avoiding the active train while voting me for largely the same reasons. My mention of Frank had nothing to do with Crimson, and if you notice, I never voted for Frank.

Final comment on this: your vote me comes down to "here's a thing. These two people are connected." I think this post shows that we are not connected. Despite that, two people being connected is not a viable reason to think that someone is scum. If you're going to say someone is scum, give a reason for it.

If this doesn't satisfy you, we can go into it more. I'm disappointed that your return to the thread lacks analysis of why your final choice is the scummiest.

You saw that you were mentioned, read Naomi's post, and responded with a 5 paragraph response in 21 minutes? Hot damn

Krazy · Post Post #567 (isolation #29) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:33 pm

Mechanics which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
Post Restrictions (other than those included in the ruleset, such as "No quoting your Role PM").

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

he's trolling fam

Krazy · Post Post #573 (isolation #30) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:24 pm

That rule is definitely still in effect, but I also assume he decided to fake a post restriction before he got his role PM so I took it as NAI and the rest of his slot is faint townlean for me at the moment.

Krazy · Post Post #578 (isolation #31) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:43 pm

Active lurking and hard lurking can both be scummy. The question is what is scummier for the particular player in question.

Naomi, I've cased him below. Let me know whether you think he is self-destructing, which would be consistent with his general approach to scum, or whether he is doing a weird reaction test as in "Town Game 1"

Spoiler:

Krazy · Post Post #589 (isolation #32) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:48 pm

In post 587, Light Ethos wrote:If Newbie is 2 vs. 7, then I'll start by guessing that this is 4 vs. 9.

3 vs. 10 is more common. If it was 4v9 it would be 3 goons + traitor and even then town would have to have a hilarious amount of power for it to get passed on this site meta. 2v11 is possible if it's another mountainous, but two mountainous games just completed so I see that as pretty unlikely. Unless you have a good reason to think otherwise, 3v10 is most likely.

Krazy · Post Post #591 (isolation #33) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:55 pm

Here are some recently completed games to get a better sense of how this site balances games this size:

2024 (fairly typical): viewtopic.php?f=90&t=76992

2016 (also typical): viewtopic.php?p=10329292#p10329292

2013 (also typical): viewtopic.php?p=10208374#p10208374

There's a mountainous that completed recently but I can't find the mod thread with the full setup so w/e, it was 2 masons and 9 VTs vs 2 goons. I feel like that was on the unusual side tho so it probably doesn't help anyway

Krazy · Post Post #602 (isolation #34) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:40 pm

I mod games on this site man, I did not need to check shit to know there was 0% chance you had a post restriction in NY. I only quoted the wiki so people would stop wasting their time asking you about your obvious trolling.

As for this shit argument, Ircher in NY 213 went out of his way to troll people for the "always scum in the hood" Wifom. Don't try to outguess the mod. You think there's always scum in the hood? That was a four person hood that included 4/6 of the town's power and 0 scum.

Being a neighbor is simply being a named role, overly prioritizing it over other things is simply shit reasoning, if not outright scummy.

Krazy · Post Post #606 (isolation #35) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:47 pm

@profii: To be clear, after going out of your way to screw with everyone for with a fake post restriction, your big fos at the end of it all is to base your top argument about speculation about a hood that you don't even know how many people are in, with the completely false reasoning that there's always scum in a three person hood... seems like your reaction test worked well there champ, good job.

Krazy · Post Post #608 (isolation #36) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:49 pm

BTW, since suddenly me modding a game is a point of reference--two 2031 needs two replacements, SHAMELESS PLUG, replace in now before I go to sleep so I can send you role PMs

Krazy · Post Post #621 (isolation #37) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:00 pm

In post 611, profii wrote: It has almost nothing to do with my reaction test - I’ve been trying to steer people that way with posting the percentages and such but I knew it could wait whilst I was doing the 2 word thing

In post 600, profii wrote:Personally I think the optimal play is to deal with the neighbourhood RIGHT NOW

My working theory is 2 hood dudes outed themselves and someone even said “why not masons” I’m assuming a third dude probably posted in the PT “don’t out me yet please” - simple as that

Even then all things considered

3 scum in 13 is a 23% chance of hitting scum today
1 in 3 in the hood is 33% - with the added benefit if we hit scum then we get 1 (poss 2) innos and we keep any kind of protective un-outed so we can hang on to our inno for a while

Personally I think we go for Krazy over Doughboy
Doughboy seemed legit annoyed at me that I wasn’t playing “properly”

Krazy on the other has was straight in the wiki checking for a PR potential in me which seems scummy to me

VOTE: Krazy

Right now your case requires us to believe that:
A) There are three people in the hood, which no one has actually said
B) That if there are three people in the hood, one is certainly scum, which is false
C) That I checked the wiki about your obvious fakeclaim, which no one who plays in NY regularly needed to do

Right now you are looking actually heavier than the Manatee and that guy is currently voting himself.

Krazy · Post Post #679 (isolation #38) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:08 am

The correct answer is the Manatee.

See like this

Vote Manatee

It's easy mmkay?

Krazy · Post Post #724 (isolation #39) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:08 pm

So you're an alt right? Is this a meme account or a real account?

Pedit: @dough

Krazy · Post Post #735 (isolation #40) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:15 pm

In post 728, Doughboy wrote:
In post 724, Krazy wrote:So you're an alt right? Is this a meme account or a real account?

Pedit: @dough
No I’m not an alt.

Neighborhoods always have scum and the worst always fakeclaims pr... these are things you say with one game from newbie queue? Are you doing hard meta on the duck or wtf is with your posts? These are not things a new player says.

Krazy · Post Post #738 (isolation #41) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:18 pm

Btw the duck is town so y'all can back off a touch. Scum duck does not get this tilted. He loves fakeclaims and wouldn't seem angry giving one.

Krazy · Post Post #749 (isolation #42) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:25 pm

Duck you have permission to lynch the manatee or frank, light is off the table

Krazy · Post Post #775 (isolation #43) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:26 pm

Well I assume Flavor leaf will now take it as an attempted pocket but I guess it might be time to share my reads list.

I kinda wanted to hold off until the parrot was replaced but seems the thread is picking up a bit. yolo

Krazy · Post Post #776 (isolation #44) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:27 pm

Townread

Flavor Leaf

Spoiler:

Doughboy

Spoiler:

Light Ethos

Spoiler:

The Duck

Spoiler:

Likely town

Saudade

Spoiler:

Crimson

Spoiler:

Null / Very Mixed Feelings

The Parrot

Spoiler:

Naomi

Spoiler:

Possible Scum

The Golfball

Spoiler:

Mostly Mute Profii

Spoiler:

Likely Scum

Frank

Spoiler:

The Manatee

Spoiler:

Krazy · Post Post #779 (isolation #45) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:42 pm

If so I decided to start pandering to you in 432. You were my first townread this game and you haven't moved at all. I don't give someone pikachu if I have doubts.

Krazy · Post Post #780 (isolation #46) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:42 pm

*434 whoops

Krazy · Post Post #784 (isolation #47) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:54 pm

I assure you I put a lot of pressure on my reads lists since my current hitrate with early game reads lists is pretty out of this world and I didn't want to screw up my track record. That being said I've been going back and forth a lot on some slots, I just don't vomit my thoughts out into the thread every time a read shifts a single tick.

Krazy · Post Post #786 (isolation #48) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:13 pm

He means he thinks I tailored the reads list to make people like me. Maybe I shouldn't have used Pokemon? I thought about that but I liked the gifs too much to toss them.

Krazy · Post Post #789 (isolation #49) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:26 pm

You don't like my reads list because you think one of my top 4 scumreads is in the wrong place? Where is profii supposed to be?

Krazy · Post Post #790 (isolation #50) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:26 pm

Oh nevermind you confused me

Krazy · Post Post #791 (isolation #51) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:30 pm

Any response to my concerns on Naomi? Honestly I was with you on her being scum until she did the weird rambling reads list. I still have some problems with that list (she calls a lot of my scumreads null). But the more I looked at it the more I kinda started thinking 565 looked more townie than scummy. If you're still dead-set on her being scum I can see why you might not like me pushing on Frank and Manatee.

Krazy · Post Post #795 (isolation #52) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:33 pm

People I think are town are wrong all the time. I mean I just spent 150 pages dealing with Ank and I never really stopped thinking she was town... If you think I downgrade my read of you because you're wrong on a few reads then you don't know how I play

Krazy · Post Post #796 (isolation #53) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:34 pm

Like you've said Manatee is town but you haven't said why yet. Until you do I simply ignore you and treat you as someone else who is wrong this game, which there is no shortage of at the moment.

Krazy · Post Post #799 (isolation #54) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:44 pm

Why is skipping RVS and hardlurking NAI? Why is posting nothing but placeholder votes NAI? Like you're so certain that Manatee and Frank are town but you are not explaining why you reach that conclusion. I have looked at the other games of each player and I have questions about how they're approaching this game. If you think it is scummy to push those slots for that reason then you are misguided. And if you think I'm scummy because I make my lists visually appealing... anyway sure do your thing, whatever man.

Krazy · Post Post #804 (isolation #55) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:53 pm

Because refusing to commit to RVS or to push people with votes indicates you are afraid of the town and more interested in avoiding being lynched then finding scum. This is exactly how Toranaga plays scum and it's fairly similar to how Texcat plays scum (and sometimes? Gamma, but Gamma is a separate case). This is why I shot Toranaga in 2024 and I was correct then. Right now I see Frank playing to a meta that is similar to how he played Serial Killer and similar to how Toranaga plays scum and I'm not seeing any reasons to think he's town. Why is he town?

Frank is not you. You might lurk, you might not lurk, but you do not form townblocks like you have here as scum. You play to different metas, and the only use of meta is understanding how and why a player approaches a game the way they do. It's not just that skipping RVS is ALWAYS scummy, it's that skipping RVS for FRANK is scummy.

Krazy · Post Post #807 (isolation #56) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:57 pm

It's in the spoiler for his... you did actually READ the entries right? You saw there is TEXT in the spoilers?

Krazy · Post Post #859 (isolation #57) » Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:52 am

Sashaddin was L-1, not L-2 looks like.

We should not rush day cycle, I'd like some posts from UC Voyager before day end, but considering the Manatee is dropping like one post every two days I'd also like him to claim whenever he comes back next.

@Nauci, you also have sashaddin, Doughboy, and Saudade voting twice atm

Mod note: Sorry that was a filler paste I thought I'd fix faster >.<

Krazy · Post Post #894 (isolation #58) » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:23 am

I tried to avoid meta here but im frozen as scum. I cant make reads that make sense, and I struggle posting and then what to post.

viewtopic.php?p=10309010#p10309010

This is him as town explaining his struggle with playing scum. If you think being unable to make up his mind about a slot is town indicative I'm going to have to disagree.

Krazy · Post Post #991 (isolation #59) » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:11 am

I suppose it's too much to ask for you to claim before you replace out

Krazy · Post Post #1108 (isolation #60) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:40 am

@Golfball, what is the difference for you between not having a read and "null"?

Krazy · Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:24 pm

In post 1153, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 1108, Krazy wrote:@Golfball, what is the difference for you between not having a read and "null"?
not a lot, given there basically the same thing, personally I think it was to avoid talking about everyone.

not gonna lie, I'm a little spooked that the golfball is all like "oh yeah Krazy case on manatee is slamdunk a+" but then is so indifferent about frank that he can't even list him as a null.

Krazy · Post Post #1248 (isolation #62) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:42 am

In post 1247, Flavor Leaf wrote: Meta dictates this is townCreature too.

FL you trolling now?

Krazy · Post Post #1260 (isolation #63) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:56 am

idk what to do with this game, I honestly think Flavor Leaf is trying to actively troll me by doing a meta townread of Creature based off 11 posts and a single read. Like he seems to want me to scumread him for whatever reason which I don't really understand either. He's acting weird af and it's kinda fucking up my reads. Frank has been MIA for days and rereading him idk that I'm in love with my own argument, we still have a slot that has said literally nothing of significance, and profii kinda isn't pinging me anymore so hell, idk. I guess I'd most like Creature's reads on Sasha (the golfball), Naomi, and Frank at the moment. Maybe Saudade for reference too. I guess Sasha first since Saudade also wants that.

Krazy · Post Post #1261 (isolation #64) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:57 am

Maybe give me your thoughts on FL too. Have you played with him before? Like what is going on with him. He's just acting weird and making all sorts of shitty arguments and usually he's not this weird.

Krazy · Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:01 am

Yeah that's what I was thinking too, I wish he'd stop tunneling me but I don't think he stops right now either.

Do you plan to read the thread? I think you have time, I don't think anything happens until the MIA slot comes back

Krazy · Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:21 am

You keep saying "This person defended Krazy so they are scum" and "this person didn't sheep Krazy so they are town" -- your reads are useless to me right now and you are like, way beyond tunneling me and into pre-flip association lalaland.

Krazy · Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:33 am

Who is dosage again?

Krazy · Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:38 am

Spoiler: For the duck

Krazy · Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:38 pm

Creature do you think 346 is AI for Crimson?

Krazy · Post Post #1482 (isolation #70) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:01 am

Hey Frank, welcome back. Most interested in your thoughts on Manatee slot/Creature, whether you still think Saudade is scum, and Naomi at the moment.

Krazy · Post Post #1524 (isolation #71) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:49 am

In post 1511, Creature wrote:Krazy and Crimson are scum

What leads you to these conclusions?

Krazy · Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:21 pm

Naomi where are you on FL these days?

Krazy · Post Post #1678 (isolation #73) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:16 pm

I like your energy but we do have 5 days not 1.

Krazy · Post Post #1688 (isolation #74) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:45 pm

Profii... creature?

Krazy · Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:17 am

In NY213 I explained exactly how I read Creature, so of course he busts out literally everything he knows will make me think he's town. That being said his entire reads list right now is OMGUS which seems very much at odds with his usual march-of-a-different-drummer thinking. Creature's reads this game do not feel like a town!Creature reads list to me.

I also keep feeling like Manatee was likely to flip scum, and I think it's misguided to downgrade my read there just because Creature is better at playing scum. I also feel like Creature might be actively playing around my meta analysis right now, and that it's both insulting to his scum game and misguided to imply that he cannot or would not actively post as scum. I am sure Creature is capable of it, and there's no reason to think he wouldn't when there's two players (me and FL) who are extensively familiar with Creature's meta. Ironically there's the chance that Creature playing around my meta reads have led to other people wanting to townread him (since my main point in NY213 was that he never townreads as scum, and so he's opened by townreading everyone who wasn't pushing his wagon. That's pretty unusual for Creature imo).

But Creature's slot is hurting my head enough that I'm at least willing to entertain the thought of other wagons at this point.

Golfball "trusted" Saudade enough to follow him onto the duck but then later cannot even commit enough to a read to list him as null. I feel like there's an actual chance Golfball can't keep track of who he's pretending to townread.

FL thinks golfball is newgreen, and there is a case to be made there. But I kinda feel like newgreen golfball would have, at some point over the last nine days, come up with a single scumread.

In addition to Crimson's TvT comment, I liked his slot in large part because I was thinking Manatee slot actually was scum. If I am somehow wrong about Manatee slot, then the chance of Crimson being scum increases dramatically.

But I still kinda think Creature ends up flipping scum here. His reads list looks like it is basically just responding to the people who were pushing his wagon, and I think he knows how Flavor Leaf and I both read him on the meta level well enough that he would be inclined to actively play around our reading styles. For Flavor Leaf, all Creature has to do is make more than twenty posts. For me, Creature throws out a lot of townreads. Neither of those are very hard to fake if you know that's what we're looking for. I think Creature is a solid lynch today, primarily because of Manatee's actions, and because Creature seems way more reactionary in his reads than he usually is as town.

@Light Ethos, by what metric is Creature an "inactive slot"? He has 40+ posts and stated reads on more than half the town...

Krazy · Post Post #1786 (isolation #76) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:15 pm

Sup Gamma?

My hope is that you will carefully review the thread. And when you are done, you will help me lynch Creature.

Krazy · Post Post #1805 (isolation #77) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:42 am

You think I'm scum because I did not write a wallpost for every single townread?

If I wallpost everyone then no one actually gets to my important cases.

I don't wite detailed notes about every single interaction if my overall conclusion is that the slot is town.

That is some very silly reasoning dude. Why would I write up every single interaction on someone I think is town?

Krazy · Post Post #1806 (isolation #78) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:42 am

I do tend to be focused on people who are obviously scum yes

Krazy · Post Post #1812 (isolation #79) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:56 am

I did analyze the NT interactions because the NT interactions were part of my WALLPOST ON NT. I thought NT was at risk of being scummy because she cased FL at all when she tends to be aggressive earlier as scum and more passive earlier as town. As I explained in my section on her. Did you want me to copy and paste my wallpost on Naomi in the FL section as well so that you were EXTRA SURE I had evaluated it? I clearly thought it was at risk of being TvS and I thought FL was the T and Naomi might be the S. But after Naomi's reads list, I wasn't sure anymore and thought it might be TvT. Saying I didn't comment on NT vs FL because I didn't add an extra pointless wallpost is DUMB.

Krazy · Post Post #1857 (isolation #80) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:31 pm

In post 1852, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1792, Mister Rogers wrote:I don't think Krazy actually rolesfished my slot but was actually trying to buddy me. However, I did find a rolefish attempt in his ISO, RE: Creature. Can anyone find it?
This post. He thinks Krazy/Creature are teamed but also thinks Krazy rolefished Creature, which makes no sense, as Krazy would know Creature’s role.

He thinks explicitly demanding a roleclaim from someone at L-1 is a "rolefish"

Krazy · Post Post #1882 (isolation #81) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:42 pm

Right now your argument is:

"Krazy should have said something about FL's interaction with Naomi when he townread FL" -- WHY? I am listing him as town, so presumably, I didn't see it as scummy. What more could possibly need to be said about a fucking townread? Townreads don't need wallposts when the slots are under exactly 0 pressure. It's also--SHOCK--possible that I simply didn't care about his interactions with Naomi because they simply weren't that interesting.

Krazy · Post Post #1884 (isolation #82) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:48 pm

Yeah, but what more did you want me to say other than "FL town, Naomi maybe scum" which is EXACTLY WHAT I SAID IN THEIR PLACEMENT IN THE LIST

Krazy · Post Post #1887 (isolation #83) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:55 pm

...

Calling someone TOWN is not the same as BUDDYING THEM. Is every townread a fucking buddy attempt? Like what is this shit?

Krazy · Post Post #1889 (isolation #84) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:56 pm

Are you buddying Naomi by calling her town? Where's your wallpost explanation of that? Where's your blow-by-blow analysis of the thing that happened 1700 posts ago?

Krazy · Post Post #1894 (isolation #85) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:04 pm

Dude, I get it. You think naomi was 'obviously town' and that FL was 'possible scum' so I should have interpreted their interactions like you did. But I didn't. I thought Naomi was possibly scum, but I wanted to interrogate FL's read of her to make sure he was right. YOU INTERPRETED THEIR EXCHANGE IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN I DID

That doesn't fucking mean I'm scum, that means we read the game in different ways. At no point did I enter that exchange thinking Naomi was obviously town so you were looking at it from a radically different set of preconceptions--ones that, might I add, aren't terribly convincing. You haven't explained why Naomi is obviously town yet. So I still don't even understand why you read her that way.

If me interrogating FL's reads while townreading him is "buddying him" as town, then that can be your deluded way of reading it. As an FYI, NO ONE CALLS INTERROGATING READS AS "town buddying" so excuse me if I say "no" to your weird ass fucking non-existant phrase

Krazy · Post Post #1900 (isolation #86) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:20 pm

I don't even know, I'm too busy dealing with stupid townies and Frank has been missing for weeks so I have basically nothing to work with there. Maybe Frank, maybe not. Definitely Creature.

I'm somewhere like:
Town: Gamma, Naomi, LE, Saudade, FL, Rogers
Probably town but MIA which bugs me cause he's posting in another game: Duck
Probably not scum with Creature: Crimson
Who the fuck knows: Sasha, Profii
Maybe scum: Frank
Scum: Creature

Krazy · Post Post #1912 (isolation #87) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:06 am

Creature wagon:

I have never missed with party train gif. Creature wagon is the one true party wagon.

Krazy · Post Post #1915 (isolation #88) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:34 am

Respond by voting Creature

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:33 pm

In post 1922, Flavor Leaf wrote:
So, one of LE/Saude, then one of Profii/Crimson is scum with you.

Got it.

Can you do a quick reads list that isn't contingent on pre-flip associations with me? Like what are your reads based on independent play?

Krazy · Post Post #1956 (isolation #90) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:38 pm

Who all has reads of profii other than null?

Duck had him green, Naomi had him leangreen, Mister Rogers said he was "too crazy to be scum" but that was before he read more than 10 pages iirc. I think that's it?

Creature hasn't commented, Flavor Leaf insists he'll have a read on him later (iirc). Frank never made a read on the slot.

How you read profii gamma?

Krazy · Post Post #1967 (isolation #91) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:55 pm

In post 1966, Mister Rogers wrote:genuine solving-mindset

I don't understand what you mean here, can you give an example?

Krazy · Post Post #1969 (isolation #92) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:01 pm

No large swaths necessary, just like, 1-3 examples would be fine.

Krazy · Post Post #1973 (isolation #93) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:07 pm

Saudade?

Krazy · Post Post #1976 (isolation #94) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:10 pm

In post 1930, Krazy wrote:
Can you do a quick reads list... based on independent play?

Krazy · Post Post #1978 (isolation #95) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:18 pm

So right now your solve is something like Crimson + Duck + ?

And you see Profii as having the same solve?

Krazy · Post Post #1980 (isolation #96) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:41 pm

Why do you want to lean Creature town?

I don't actually understand your list, it seems like tier 1 is both town leans and scum leans?

Krazy · Post Post #1981 (isolation #97) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:43 pm

So your townreads are limited to Naomi, Profii, and LE?

Krazy · Post Post #1983 (isolation #98) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:47 pm

Why is Crimson scum?

Krazy · Post Post #2015 (isolation #99) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:02 pm

Sau I will join you on Sash tomorrow if we push through Creature today

@Rogers, as far as I can tell, Crimson lost interest in the thread when his top FoS replaced out. I personally struggled to stay in the game when dealing with all the replacements, so when you say he's active lurking, he's like a normal lurker dealing with a thread that was missing between 2-3 people at any given time, which seemed to compose at least 1-2 of the scummiest slots. So like maybe bear in mind that this thread was kinda boring for like a solid weak when you say he's just active lurking. tbh I don't think it's that strong of a case given the nature of the thread. So if that is the crux of your scumread on Crimson, I don't think it's nearly as good as the case on Manatee slot.

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:04 pm

But there's three scum... 0.o

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:15 pm

I mean, Crimson is just a naturally passive player. Unfortunately he has no scum flips on site, so meta is not super helpful here. But I can say this game isn't dramatically out of line for his town games:

VT: viewtopic.php?t=76607&f=11&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
TPR: viewtopic.php?t=76171&f=50&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

He's like, a little more "game-solvy" as TPR, so this matches his VT game more, but in both he tends to take like 3 days after an unvote to revote someone. He is not aggressive at all as town. So while he might not be playing the way you like, I'm not really sure he flips scum here. I mean, maybe--maybe he plays scum exactly the same way he plays VT. I don't know that. But I do know that Manatee was not playing like a VT this game, and Creature is not playing like town Creature.

I know Sau and others are sick of meta discussions, but since there's no flips and no night kills, that's basically all I have for a lurker (not denying he is a lurker) like Crimson.

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:24 pm

In post 2045, Mister Rogers wrote:@Krazy: FL said that the fact that he voted you showed initiative that scum Creature would not display.

Yeah, no, an OMGUS vote at the person pushing his wagon is not "initiative" for Creature.

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:25 pm

I don't know what's up with FL but almost everything he has said about Creature this game is basically wrong. FL wants Creature to be town because he said Manatee is town and he wants me to be scum and so he is trying to cater every argument he makes to fit that narrative. That doesn't mean the arguments themselves are worth two spits

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:28 pm

says the guy who spent like two pages bitching at Gamma about NAI bullshit

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:31 pm

In post 2066, Saudade wrote:like, I'll never vote rogers but im really really not intrested in anything he has to say anymore

Yes, but unfortunately I want to lynch scum so somehow I need his vote + Naomi + profii since you seem unlikely to budge

I don't think the case on Crimson is a slam dunk and I want Creature's slot lynched today

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:32 pm

Light join us on Creature?

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:39 pm

Manatee is bad town but he is even worse as scum. IMO, if he was town he would have jumped on to whoever voted him after his self-vote and been like "opportunism!" or something. That's the sort of inane BS he does to hunt as town. It seems like he just had no idea what to do this game though, which suggests he is scum

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:16 pm

In post 2060, Mister Rogers wrote:Just noting for the record that I believe scum are pushing this thread to explode with posts to make it impossible for Frank!Replace to catch up. This IS a scum strategy and I want to state for the record that I am not part of this.

Let me look into this...

In post 2097, Mister Rogers wrote:INTERMISSION

Incredible conviction

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:59 pm

VOTE: crimson

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:02 pm

I don't give a shit about claims anymore. This is what happens when you fuckers didnt lynch manatee through his tactical. Someone hammer so we can one day get to day 2 and lynch creature

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:05 pm

This is going to be a three week day one and I am sick of tactical replace outs

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:09 pm

Do you want a pat on the head? Profii thinks its scummy to sort him when you and gamma are wailing at each other about reading the thread so I guess you could say I am not convinced

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:22 pm

Crimson hardclaim now

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:25 pm

Unvote

Excuse me while I don't gasp in surprise when you have 0 crumbs.

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:27 pm

In post 2116, profii wrote: I think it’s scummy to introduce an entirely new player into the mix whilst after a very long day 1 we are finally seeming to hone in on some generally accepted scummy slots given we have 8:13 votes on 2 players

I wasn't saying to lynch you, I was trying to get a grip on who actually was attempting a solve and who was not.

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:30 pm

So we have a full doctor and a full gunsmith so I guess this is a 13p follow-the-cop?

Sounds like bullshit to me.

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:32 pm

They said you weren't reading the thread because you pretty clearly weren't reading the thread. They decided that was scummier than Manatee being obvious scum for some reason.

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:44 pm

In post 2140, Mister Rogers wrote:THere was NO NEED for him to hard claim. WHEN DO YOU START SEEING REALITY!?

Why the fuck did you want the person you put to L-2 not to claim? Are you seriously just fucking around with your votes? This day has lasted weeks, we are not waiting for Frank's replacement to lynch someone, this shit has gotten absurd. Like, are YOU rolefishing? Why the fuck would you put him to L-2 if you don't want him to hardclaim and get lynched if he's not a TPR?

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:11 pm

Vote Creature

Hey look the leading wagon is once again on scum

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:53 pm

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:09 pm

Sau will vote me?

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:15 pm

If I'm at L-2, then I claim, because Creature is off my wagon.

I'm vig, I'm shooting Creature tonight regardless of whether we lynch him or not so unless he's masons with FL he's not going to be alive on day 2.

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:19 pm

So you lied about the VC to fish another role?

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:34 pm

In post 2310, Mister Rogers wrote:I guarantee D2 will have some SERIOUS WIFOM COMING DOWN!

So Rogers is hardclaiming scum PR?

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:48 pm

Wow, Rogers is at it again. Way to go champ.

Who wants to tell him?

I guess Saudade doesn't know?

Neighbor is not an exclusive modifier, champ. NY213--Neighbor+IC, Neighbor+Vengeful, Neighbor+Friendly Neighbor

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:50 pm

So to be clear, you want to lynch the one TPR that has a confirmable night action?

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:51 pm

Like, Rogers doesn't try to eat a bullet like this as scum, but he's literally so stupid I might be forced to shoot him anyway.

Krazy · Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:03 pm

Rogers -- viewtopic.php?p=10233573#p10233573

read the roles list.

I have literally talked about the game where a Vengeful Neighbor died and a Universal Backup became a Vengeful Neighbor in a Neighborhood that included an Innocent Child and a FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR. A friendly Neighbor that has a night action that confirms him as town.

Neighbor is a modifier that goes onto literally anything.

Krazy · Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:03 am

See you tonight then FL <3

Krazy · Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:50 am

Of course you can't. You're evens.

Krazy · Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:51 am

Scum doesn't counterclaim vig. Vig doesn't counterclaim vig if he can shoot. I am happy to shoot you to prove my role but I'd still rather shoot scum.

Krazy · Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:53 am

Actually I was still going to shoot Creature lol, I knew you couldn't shoot me and then my role would be confirmed. God you are bad at setup spec fl

Krazy · Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:54 am

Gunsmith, odd vig, even vig. The only thing I was wrong about this game was thinking that doughboy was the evens.

Krazy · Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:57 am

Krazy · Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:43 am

Not official/not double-checked.

Spoiler:

Creature if you're mason or innocent child you can claim, otherwise you don't have to.

Krazy · Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:19 pm

Damn I was kinda on board for the modkill too.

@Nauci are you sure we can't modkill them after all?

Two modkills + Lynch + Vig shot = DAY ONE BLOODBATH

Man this sounds like fun to me LOL

I don't get why Creature is town here, seriously the only thing Manatee said that you thought was townie was when he was talking to his scumbuddy profii. FL, think about it--he can't fucking talk to town (emotionally incapable), but he can talk to his scumbuddy in thread. That's why his reactions were all over the place and why you thought that one post was townie

Krazy · Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:23 pm

All he's done is "what are the prs?" and "a buncha peopl who aren't voting me are town" there's no contribution here lol

Creature is a dope lynch fam

Krazy · Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:47 pm

Yeah I am basically with you a50 on most of what you have said. There are two thoughts on the duck:
I do think he is gunsmith, but I think it is not certain yet he is a town gunsmith. The claim being real does not mean his alignment is certain.

I do not get why he replaced out as tpr. I think it would make a lot more sense if he was scum with manatee and just ragequit from shit team.

I was 60% town on the duck but the replace out rocked my read cause I do not get it as duck tpr

Krazy · Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:12 pm

In post 2692, Mister Rogers wrote:Which brings me to the 3rd time I have had to ask Krazy why he didn't crumb but expects it from others. He is deliberately dodging me on this question.

Dodging would imply I cared enough to bother responding to you at this point Rogers. I basically just don't read your posts anymore.

Two points:
a) explaining why a tpr with confirmable night actions does not need to crumb as much as a non-confirmable night action is tedious and kinda obvious
b) I actually didn't really care that Crimson didn't crumb, it just would have been nice

Krazy · Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:16 pm

To be totally clear, all I have to do tonight is prove my night action, and I have 0 mechanical reasons to believe you are town. So keep testing my patience. Please. Give me one more reason to shoot you, because I can already think of 5 without even trying.

Krazy · Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:20 pm

You can't even post a retort without fucking it up

Krazy · Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:31 pm

Anyway, A50, if you would take a look at Crimson that would be dope.

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:45 am

In post 2765, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Good question, but vig claim can potentially clear itself later, UNLESS we think there is a SK, but I digress.

no multiball in 13p fam

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:49 am

Thoughts on A50 so far FL?

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:52 am

So who is scum?

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:54 am

In post 2770, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I’ve modded multiple multiball games in 13p, one with SK, one with 2 teams of 2.

Those were the old rules, normal says no multiball unless it's large (14+) now.

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:01 am

What brought you back to scum on Naomi?

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:01 am

Or "scum possible" I guess since you're not sring her

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:57 am

lol what's up Performer?

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:21 am

It is my sincere hope that A50 and Performer eventually settle on Creature so that we can finally end this day in a scum lynch

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:24 pm

In post 2889, Flavor Leaf wrote:I guess I do have a good idea of how Saudade plays. I just feel he’s good at playing the same as either alignment, so I don’t think anything found on Day 1 would put him as scum l, if that makes sense.

afaik he has never replaced out as tpr or scum, and only replaced out of one game as VT, so ragequitting over not being able to get a lynch on Sasha is plausibly TI although the sample size is too low to be substantial

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:28 pm

imo Crimson should be leashed to me but I'm kinda not the one that should be making that argument

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:31 pm

In post 2901, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2875, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Crimson
INB$ someone asks why I singled out Creature and ignored FL's vote. The answer is within my response to Creature: Creature is an orthodox player. FL is definitely not. I can see this vote coming from town!FL but I am having trouble seeing it come from town!Creature.

He hammered the doc claim in NY 213 iirc on d2

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:50 pm

In post 2904, Flavor Leaf wrote: I hard hard hard defended his slot all game

Yeah you hard defended a slot that did 0 scumhunting and was self-voting for half the day cycle and then argued you should be townread because you were white knighting an afk slot. Now you're hard-defending Creature because of bullshit meta reasons and FoSing an awful lot of obvious town

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:03 pm

All we need is for the replacements to take a step back, look at Creature, and see--there's no sign of town here. And there's no sign of town creature because he replaced into Manatee, who was scum. And then we're going to lynch him.

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:51 pm

I told him to claim if he was a mason 0.o

Flavor Leaf I swear to shit if you're fakeclaiming masons because you townread the slot...

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:54 pm

Unvote

since based on that last post not everyone is keeping up with the thread.

Need to think. Didn't want to think about this game anymore. Just wanted to lynch Creature and then shoot someone. Now I have to think again. Motherfucker

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:01 pm

You even fucking crumbed it when you said "but there's no tpr flip for manatee"

I mean, I knew that, but how the fuck do I play around a mason SELF FUCKING VOTING

}GOD FASGIUHOUSGHASOEU" GHA"UOS HDF"OAG A

*flips table*

I'm gonna need to cool down for a while guys give me a bit

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:02 pm

Like do people get that just because you're tpr doesn't mean you play like you're having an aneuryism WTF

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:02 pm

and of fucking course the manatee was online and talking in his fucking PT, I was right about that wasn't I

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:09 pm

Creature I still luv you and I'm glad ur not scum

I was feeling bad about shooting you until you voted me and then I was happy cause you were scum and we could just lynch you in a gentlemanly manner

will you ever forgive me for misreading your tpr game?

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:48 pm

In post 2970, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m scum reading Rogers to an extent, and town reading Profii.

I feel like your read of Profii switches on an hourly--minutely?--basis lol

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:54 pm

In post 2978, Mister Rogers wrote:Dewd I dont see how all you guys can make all this speculation based on unconfirmed claims. Its super dangerous, we need to sort this out tomorrow and then start doing setup spec. The only exception is if we have an obvious fakeclaim like we do with Worst.

fine with lynching this

anyway here's a crimson TPR game -- viewtopic.php?t=76171&f=50&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

one thing I notice here is that he has a reads list by 297 -- viewtopic.php?p=10183925#p10183925

which was on d1

so Crimson was super disengaged this game when usually he is actually a bit more engaged as tpr than he is as VT

but this game has also been a clusterfuck so idk for sure, but there is a case to be made for crimson scum

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:16 pm

In post 771, Crimson97 wrote: Agree with Dough, Flavor,Krazy,Parrot,Shaddadin and profii. The worst i might agree but i haven't really read him yet.

Manatee is normally just scummy in the ToS forum, not a lurker. I wanted to press him but i couldn't have predicted he'd go afk.

he does get close to a reads list here tho hmm

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:17 pm

I kinda wanna lynch profii

anyone else feelin that slot?

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:17 pm

you know what, fuck it, let's make it a thing

Vote Profii

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:21 pm

In post 2162, profii wrote:
I’m happy to vote TW - I’m happy to vote Crimson, or Krazy, or Golfball

I can’t put my vote in 4 places and I’m obviously wrong about at least 1 of those I would imagine so get your toys and put them back in the pram

pretty sure this is scum

I'm really kinda feelin' this slot guys what you think?

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:24 pm

idk man he's said some scummmmmy shit

his reaction to vig claim was bad

he seems to want to literally lynch anyone and has no attempt at a solve

he's a clutch lynch here FL

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:26 pm

yeah cause he thinks he can pocket you for game win

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:34 pm

Light Ethos -- just is town
Flavor Leaf* -- suicidal mason
Creature ManateeDude -- damn it

Performer Saudade -- leaning town here for a bunch of reasons that aren't going to convince anyone but me
Gamma Emerald UC Voyager Pernicious Parrot -- same as with performer

Sashaddin -- null lean-town maybe, some of his posts just... idk, there are some reasons to see him as maybe scum, he's soooo passive, wtf to do with that
Naomi-Tan -- probably need to go back to null on this slot until I reread the reads lists posts again, but still null-lean town
Mister Rogers Doughboy -- VI but he seems scummier as the day goes on

Almost50 FrankJaeger -- A50 is godly as scum and Frank was a bit in his scum meta so uuhhhhhhhh I like A50 a lot so let's not lynch him today, I guess that's all I got for that right now

Crimson97** -- maybe scum but if we convince him to pretend to be leashed to me I don't get nightkilled tonight
The Worst* RockyHorror -- maybe scum but with coordination we should have a lot of info if we tell the replacement to investigate one of two slots I designate

profii -- scum

creature mason claim leaves me here

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:40 pm

I would tell him which slots I am not going to shoot so that he can't claim to have investigated the same person I killed.

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:47 pm

In post 3023, Mister Rogers wrote:The only case against him is based on WIFOM FAIL due to unconfirmed claim setup spec -- its horribad.

was this your thinking when you put him to L-2? that there was no case against Crimson?

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:56 pm

@VI:
You are arguing there is no case against Crimson when you yourself put him to L-2 like just days ago, you spent days arguing about leashing my shot over concerns with a doctor save but never talked to Crimson about leashing his doc, you never seriously interrogated his roleclaim, and so at this point I think why you ever voted him in the first place is a legitimate question. You are hard defending a slot your voting history indicates you were basically ready to lynch, or at least seemed willing to pressure. So you saw enough of a case to put him to L-2 but now can't think of a single reason he's scummy. He's spent half the dayphase casing Naomi, who you insist is obvious town, and the other half pushing Creature/Manatee, who is a claimed mason. Regardless of whether he is town or scum, I don't understand why YOU believe he is town since his actions seem basically irreconcilable with your view of the game

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:58 pm

In post 3027, Light Ethos wrote:Also I see a wagon going on the Doctor claim. Do I hammer it or not?

Being the 5th vote on a wagon is not a hammer. You are welcome to L-2 him if you think he is scummy. Otherwise, what do you think of Profii?

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:08 pm

So you're admitting you were just rolefishing? You found literally nothing scummy about Crimson when you put him to L-2?

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:11 pm

In post 1899, Mister Rogers wrote:Pfffft....

Vote: Crimson97

That's L-1.

why does this vote exist

Krazy · Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:16 pm

So you're not opposed to lynching claimed tprs after all?

But you think votes on Crimson are automatically scummy?

Yeah idk can anyone truly be this dense and hypocritical? I mean doughboy seemed townie and Rogers is like demonstrably dim but this is like... I don't even know anymore man

like I just can't understand why you believe what you're even saying

I still prefer profii tbh but Rogers is like... I don't even know what to say. He's certainly turned himself into an acceptable compromise wagon

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:52 am

Fl -- look at 2023 setup. Doc, roleblocker, gunsmith, mason-like lotal neighborizer vs all goons

Balance has not been good in ny lately and this setup was probably approved before people started complaining

Not saying I believe every claim but if there are unstated limitations it is not impossible every claim is real

Just because it does not look balanced does not mean it could not get passed by nrg

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:23 am

all my reads are fucked

I want us to lynch today

I want it to be profii but I don't know how to make that happen

he just seems like the only guy who when I claimed vig seemed to be actively trying to not get shot, and that makes me think he's scum. he knew I was real despite my play this game being abysmal because he's scum

it makes sense to me

everyone else seemed to be trying to eat a bullet lol, instead profii started casing whoever happened to be pissing me off at the time (i.e. rogers)

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:30 am

In post 3086, Almost50 wrote:
How would scum "know" you're for real?

no third parties, while townies do sometimes fakeclaim vig to bait a nightkill, I don't think he would think me claiming vig at L-2 would be a vanilla townie claiming vig. I think if you're scum and you know I'm not scum then you know I'm vig, and profii is the only person who seemed to reach that conclusion and start playing around me at the time

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:33 am

I'm like pretty sure Saudade was town, he tiltreplaced out with a tpr claim but before masons, so if he's scum looking at the number of tprs he wasn't losing his shit there... I think he was focused on Sashaddin and wanted a lynch there and it wasn't happening and he got pissed at the replacements (or maybe even the mod backpedaling the modkills--I think he was looking forward to the modkills and kinda lost it when they were poo-poo'd). he just sounds like an overeager vanilla town to me. I think Performer's town because Saudade was town

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:42 am

In post 3090, Performer wrote:
In post 3089, Krazy wrote:I'm like pretty sure Saudade was town, he tiltreplaced out with a tpr claim but before masons, so if he's scum looking at the number of tprs he wasn't losing his shit there... I think he was focused on Sashaddin and wanted a lynch there and it wasn't happening and he got pissed at the replacements (or maybe even the mod backpedaling the modkills--I think he was looking forward to the modkills and kinda lost it when they were poo-poo'd). he just sounds like an overeager vanilla town to me. I think Performer's town because Saudade was town
y are you saying i'm vt but at first you say tpr??

"with a tpr claim" = the duck

scum doesn't tiltreplaceout with the investigative revealed... unless like Flavor Leaf just really made him blow a gasket. it can happen but it seems pretty unlikely, gamestate was looking pretty good for scum there

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:43 am

like for saudade to replace out he would have to be scum with the duck and that would require saudade having forced the duck to claim through his push and then later regretting it and it just doesn't make any fucking sense, it's not what actually happened, saudade is pretty likely town and the duck is a big fat ? for me atm, but I'm still thinking he could plausibly be town

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:15 am

well I need to start prepping for my next shift. I'll get off work in like 6 hours, so I should have 2 hours or so on the clock to get in and catch up when I'm off.

we do lynch today. we get a flip.

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:20 am

It's scummy to propose a no lynch on d1. Performer is still town but that was not his best post, ngl

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:23 pm

If you flip cop then we can pretty easily lynch the worst tomorrow because I dont think cop+gs+masons makes it past nrg even with claims but there is no way you react to the duck the way you did if you are cop so I am not remotely worried about that scenario. I do think that you trying to crumb cop at this point is a great reason to lynch you though

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:43 pm

Hi not mafia

Your predecessor claimed town neapolitan. Can you confirm you are a neapolitan and give a sense of who you might be neapolitaning tonight?

Please no one else answer for him thanks

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:56 pm

Gamma who would you shoot tonight?

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:59 pm

You think Saudade replaces out with a claimed TPR as scum?

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:01 pm

No, the duck claimed TPR. If Saudade is scum wouldn't he be glad that scum outed a tpr? Why would he ragequit there?

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:04 pm

Alright I guess that doesn't seem important to you. Why was Saudade/is Performer scum again?

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:00 pm

That can be arranged

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:06 pm

I think it's probably pointless to try to coordinate with not mafia, he's probably not even going to read my posts, so I guess he's just going to investigate someone based on pure rng if he's real at all

Krazy · Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:45 pm

Squirtle vs. Growlithe -- imba matchup

Krazy · Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:53 pm

Akarin, you're a champ for replacing in to a game that Flavor Leaf threw on day 1. The game was an extreme uphill climb before you even got your role pm.

The important thing is that this undead abomination of a game is finally put to rest.

Cheers to Nauci for keeping this underwater ship afloat.

Krazy · Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:02 pm

In post 2910, Flavor Leaf wrote:Stop. We’re masons.