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I didn't know either, I just like jumping on a wagon!In post 29, DrDolittle wrote:Mod notes: Not sure who Trebor is, so these votes are ignored.-
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Going along with a joke is curious?In post 39, DVa wrote:Well he did move off my RVS wagon onto a wagon on aplayer that doesn't existso I'll agree with you that his play this game so far is curious-
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Seeing I knew half the line-up, I thought I'd salute some of the town.In post 40, tictac wrote:Sash seems to avoid mentioning names in his rvs
I have played with:
Tictac, Bright-Eyed Fish, orfhz, and not_mafia.-
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That's cool.In post 37, tictac wrote:k.
@DVa I don't think either of ya individually scummy, but I'm drawing an associative here in blinky neon.
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Not in my time zone!In post 61, Auro wrote:Have you played with people from different time-zones before?
Don't you think this accusation is *way* tooearlyto make
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I think it means tictac will want to lynch the second one of us if the first flips scum.In post 89, ofrhz wrote:
....? Did you understand what tictac was talking about here?In post 60, Sashaddin wrote:
That's cool.In post 37, tictac wrote:k.
@DVa I don't think either of ya individually scummy, but I'm drawing an associative here in blinky neon.
Ya can say ya understand why, so I don't hafta explain?
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Is this an alt-account ?In post 102, DVa wrote:While Sasha is bothering me tonally, I'd really like to see some more pressure on Not_mafia. I do believe he is actually capable of playing the game and we shouldn't just wash our hands of him because he chooses not to most of the time.-
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Tictac said he was drawing associations between us, and now you're putting me in the bottom of your list. This doesn't make sense unless one of you is bussing me. So you guys are two lean town for me.In post 102, DVa wrote:More townie
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Aren't solid reads, obviously there's not much to go on here, and I need rain to post to get any read. If Not_Mafia is just going to lolcat through this entire dayphase I'm A-ok with him getting strung up. I see no reason to think he will get easier to sort over time.
While Sasha is bothering me tonally, I'd really like to see some more pressure on Not_mafia. I do believe he is actually capable of playing the game and we shouldn't just wash our hands of him because he chooses not to most of the time.-
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I know about you, it's DVa I was wondering about.In post 137, Almost50 wrote:
I did mention it in that game. AP = Almost50, YES!In post 136, Sashaddin wrote:
Is this an alt-account ?In post 102, DVa wrote:While Sasha is bothering me tonally, I'd really like to see some more pressure on Not_mafia. I do believe he is actually capable of playing the game and we shouldn't just wash our hands of him because he chooses not to most of the time.-
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In my plan B on my Excel sheet I was actually thinking BOTH of them were scumIn post 141, Almost50 wrote:
Why not try DVa scum who saw fit to push a mislynch on you after the tictac read? If you flip town tictac has no reason to believe DVa is scum with you. amirite?In post 138, Sashaddin wrote:Tictac said he was drawing associations between us, and now you're putting me in the bottom of your list. This doesn't make sense unless one of you is bussing me. So you guys are two lean town for me.-
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Loooooooool!In post 149, ofrhz wrote:
It's still too soon dudeIn post 130, Almost50 wrote: BrightEyedFish: He can be Town, unless he posts in the wrong thread.-
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After reading through that pile of animosity, this sentence reflects my point of view. I'd keep DVa over N_M for towny reasons.In post 231, Auro wrote:I'd love to hear opinions from other players on this as well. I found DVa more genuine in the exchange - hard to imagine her getting angry and threatening to replace out as scum motivated, so I'm townreading her for now. If it comes down to tictac and Not_Mafia, I'd choose the latter.
Pulling back the random vote now.
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This is my first 10-player and you're saying 2, so I assume 3 scums is too much for such a little town?In post 265, Elsa Jay wrote:But for the sake of consistency, let's just assume we have 2 scum ATM and look for pairs. Seems fine for now right?-
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Found this later, sorry for the previous question.In post 251, Almost50 wrote:2 mislynches (Policy Lynch =/= Scum Lynch) + 2 NKs and we are already at MyLo (assuming 2 scums) or have lost (assuming 3 scums). I'll go for 2 scums bc I don't think a mini normal would give you only one mislynch before you are in LyLo/MyLo.-
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I agree with 147 a lot, and with 214 too. 266 is less telling to me, but I can't go opposite of it either.
What I get, in short, is that he was being evasive as f and that pinged you a lot.-
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Because I thought it was humorous? I'm having fun in the RVS, I get serious afterwards.In post 312, DVa wrote:"let's sheep N_M on a fake wagon without asking him why he's not voting someone who isn't in the game"
And because I didn't know about that side of N_M, I only knew about the quickhammer part.-
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Regarding 313 and 321, where 2 of you say I'm less engaged:
There has been three discussions where I did not feel concerned at all: the Trevor wagon, the Overwatch thing and the A50/N_M/DVa Devil's triangle. I did not have anything to say in those so I kept away, and I must admit I was afraid this game would go to hell just like my last ones because of too many replacements, Tictac being the first. I also think there was not enough meat in the thread for me to have good reads yet too, and those who know me know that Day1 is the most difficult one for me. I lurk a bit at the start but then I'm ready by Day 2.
The only real good case I've seen is on Tictac, I've read a good case on him, but I want to get rid of my bad habits so I am a bit reluctant to sheeeeeep again.-
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In post 338, Clemency wrote:mind if i steal that for my signature wowee
Your signature should be:In post 338, Clemency wrote:mind if i steal that for my signature wowee
1...e4 2...Ke2??
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Thank you for answering!In post 363, DVa wrote:I don't need to wait for post-game
Maybe I'm more confident because I think I got better! Seeing a lot of familiar names did indeed made me looser, I felt this was since the beginning.
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The duo 258-260 and the analysis leading to his previous reads. But to be fair, I did not find Tictac too towny either, I had him null until I asked and Clem answered.In post 365, Auro wrote:@Sash: What about Carmen's posts appear towny to you? I'm not quite seeing it.-
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Yes I amIn post 368, Clemency wrote:
are you talking shit about the ultimate forbidden techniqueIn post 362, Sashaddin wrote:In post 338, Clemency wrote:mind if i steal that for my signature wowee
Your signature should be:In post 338, Clemency wrote:mind if i steal that for my signature wowee
1...e4 2...Ke2??
the undefeated strategem
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If this is for playing a game with me, I can't move the black pieces. Must I create an account or something?
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My town reads are DVa, Elsa Jay, Carmen and Clemency, without order.
I have a slight town lean on Auro.
No scum yet despite reading again and again, but it could be in the duo A50-N_M because I didn't even go there since it appears they are not considered for today. And because one of them is unreadable.-
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1. After reading your iso, I realized you have a very confident attitude about not being lynched today. I do not know if that's towny or scummy by itself, but it's something I'll be having in my head for the rest of the game.In post 391, Almost50 wrote:So use your skills to read the readable of the two. Do you have questions for me?
2. The only "force" that blocks the N_M wagon seems to be you, towntell and all. It annoys me that it's still a secret but I respect your intellectual property.
3. Your opinion of the Tictac slot hasn't changed when Clemency came in, you're still suspicious (379).
4. In 130 and 336 you have me as town, then town lean. In 381I'm implicitly not town anymore.
1-a) Was it your intention to be a leader in this game or was it the N_M thing that got you to the front?
1-b) What about Day 2 and your lynching potential?
2-Not a question, but if you see a tell like this in me just tell me please
2-a) Will you defend N_M to the last day since you're persuaded he's town?
3-a) You don't like that slot with either player in it, why aren't you putting it at L-1 (since M_M is on it)?
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Ah, I didn't see anything scummy in that post. Tbh, I still don't see it.In post 398, Auro wrote:Right. In that case it must have been a scumread after #329.-
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OMGWTFBBQ!!!!111
Since I went to sleep: five pages, two claims and an ice cream truck.
After reading this, I think I recognize the flailing of BEF, I was his target in our last game and he turned out as scum.
Iintent to hammer BEF, but I'll wait after I get done with my son's Halloween run tonight. I won't do it without a few veterans opinion though.
Is it common to see Day-something roles? This is the first I see.-
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Town lean != confident town read, got it. To me that was still town-something, I'll adjust my semantics.In post 554, Almost50 wrote: 4. I had you as Town "for now". It was preliminary readlist that included some joke/humour reads. Then I had you as Town lean, and still there. I don't "explicitly" TR you =/= I explicitly have you as not town. An explicit TR = just that a TOWN READ. You are only a Town lean, thus not explicitly a TR. Got it?
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The higher level scum-hunting eludes me for now, true. I'm only 6 months old into this world. But I'm trying to learn and everyone here has been nice in helping me as we play.In post 557, Almost50 wrote: Now you look like you're good at some basic level reads, but you don't do much of the higher level scum hunting. If you remember (and I'm sure you do) I tried to L-1 someone early as AP. Here, I tried the same, just not in the exact same manner (i.e. I didn't try to do it myself, but rather wanted to state intent and get a claim). Do you see any similarities at all? What was my alignment there?
When you say L-1, if you speak about the "failed vote", I think I get it.
So Carmen should claim unless she's an investigative role?In post 559, Almost50 wrote: Because then I would need someone else to state intent in order to get that claim. Sometimes you sit on a wagon too long and the player stalls based on "nobody stated intent" so it's useless. I'm not putting Carmen @L-1 for the sake of it. I want to get a claim from this specific slot. Carmen could even save us all the trouble (and some time) by claiming now.
As for the last one, I don't understand the question. Why what? Do where?
Also, I thought asking for a claim on Day 1 was anti-town, I think I read that in a game.
The "What did I do" was about me leaving the townies section of your read list and moving towards the center.-
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Don't worry.In post 602, Almost50 wrote:Intent to hammer if (whoever said they had intent but wanted to be done with their kid's Halloween party first) doesn't hammer.-
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Oh I read it wrong, I will in about 4-5 hours but you free to do it before if you want to.In post 604, Sashaddin wrote:
Don't worry.In post 602, Almost50 wrote:Intent to hammer if (whoever said they had intent but wanted to be done with their kid's Halloween party first) doesn't hammer.-
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To Almost50: I'm voting to get him back to L-1. Do what you wish.In post 606, Elsa Jay wrote:Well since Dva invited, he's only at 4 now.
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Yours, 147. You underlined his slipperiness.In post 400, Auro wrote:I'm talking about your read on tictac's slot. You said you had him null till Clem answered. Which post are you referring to? 329? And how did that change your read on tictac?-
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Ok... EJ claimed something improbable, got caught and is probably scum for this. Lynch all liars?
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How do you explain this counterclaim? Especially from a towny?In post 652, DVa wrote:I've been townreading Elsa since page 2. Who is townreading Sashaddin right now?-
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In post 654, ofrhz wrote:I don’t think elsa’s daycop cc was serious. I’m kind of wondering why she’s alive tho
I don't know... Seemed pretty official to me.In post 492, Elsa Jay wrote:Well fine. It's a complement because I gotta do this shit.
Mafia appear to be informed and know about Daycop because I'm the Daycop.
Checked Almost's slot and knew he was town, so when the replacement option came I made sure to get Almost because I trust his reads really well.-
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Like this one?In post 551, Elsa Jay wrote:At this point He's not co-operative so I'll explain it.
If He's scum: he knows if mafia is informed or not, and if there's no real Daycop his partner wont waste a shot on me because at that point he KNOWS I'm lying.
If He's a Vanilla Townie who fucked up a gambit: He should have called me out by now and rescinded his claim so we dont fucking lynch him. Actually, we'll lynch him anyway, but we atleast let him try to give his actual case on me instead of a fake Daycop.
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So the counterclaim didn't change anything to the outcome of the day. I'll wait for Elsa to get off work, because I think I don't understand anything now.In post 667, Carmen wrote:if you're town in that situation you wait for him to flip not daycop and then it's obvious that he was lying.
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There you go. It was my first ever game though, so it might not tell much.In post 702, Almost50 wrote:Vibes are fine form Sasha. I just never saw scum!him so I'm not positive.
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There you go. It was my first ever game though, so it might not tell much.In post 702, Almost50 wrote:Vibes are fine form Sasha. I just never saw scum!him so I'm not positive.
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I was a lot more discreet as scum, not to "slip" and out my partner. I spoke about me a lot of the time and not much against other players iirc, so they wouldn't make associations. This got well until I got lynched on the last night (I missed a quickhammer by being away from comp )In post 706, Almost50 wrote:@Sasha: Gimme the tl;dr. How do YOU think your scum game differs from your town game?
Since that game I've always been town. I think I'm getting better at interacting with other people as I play, I engage a lot more, screw the possible associations. I can defend, and attack a bit. I still have a lot of difficulty on Day 1 but as the game narrows I get better.-
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You have covered 3 roles, but might there also be a scum doctor? Since we had (at least?) two vigilantes.... from the wiki: "It is not unheard of for Mafia to have Doctors of their own in games with Vigilantes[...]"In post 691, Almost50 wrote:
OK. I accept that. So, Scum!GS, Town!GS, or Neapolitan. And you get town poinrts for saying this before I posted my own list of questions.In post 678, DVa wrote:Miller isn't a TPR, he was either a Miller for a town gunsmith or a false positive for a scum gunsmith, leaning the second but could be either
This could mean Auro shot someone with his single bullet but got blocked by the Doctor, without producing any message of the fired shot.-
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Ok. Just trying to figure how and why the people had those roles, doctor came to mind when I did.In post 720, DVa wrote:That's way less likely than the chances that he didn't shoot. There is no reason at the moment to imagine there is a scum doctor. The likelihood that Auro didn't shoot is quite frankly very high; the chances that he shot and the target was saved by a scum doctor is so low as to be absurd frankly.-
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Ok. Just trying to figure how and why the people had those roles, doctor came to mind when I did.In post 720, DVa wrote:That's way less likely than the chances that he didn't shoot. There is no reason at the moment to imagine there is a scum doctor. The likelihood that Auro didn't shoot is quite frankly very high; the chances that he shot and the target was saved by a scum doctor is so low as to be absurd frankly.-
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Looks interesting, never done this.In post 730, Almost50 wrote:OK, how about some hypo claiming? Let's go with Neapolitan. Everybody will state a hypothetical Target and give a result (Vanilla/Not Vanilla).-
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I think I read somewhere that there is at least one VT in every setup. Could be wrong though.In post 728, Almost50 wrote:If we have 1 or 2 VTs then either can confirm these, and thus we'd have the potential to confirm 1 or 2 townies.-
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Why would it be either orfhz or me? Because she is voting me at the moment? Maybe voting 2nd on a need-5 wagon could distance us efficiently as scums?In post 708, Elsa Jay wrote:If I divide it further...
{Ofrhz, Sashaddin}
{Carmen, Clemency, NotMafia}
Those 2 groups probably have one scum each.
I notice your second set contains all the voters (except DVa whom you trust), is there another reason I'm not seeing besides what I said?
I don't want to come out bullish or anything, it's just that I've had these questions in mind since I read your post and now I feel like asking.-
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Because...?In post 734, Not_Mafia wrote:No we definitely shouldn't-
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If I were scum, I'd probably be a follower, indeed. Thanks for your detailed answer!In post 753, Elsa Jay wrote:You and Ofrhz fall under what I call "follower scummers". You aren't the ones who come up with the plans, just follow them.-
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I wanted to think before typing, like reading orfhz'iso or something.. When I don't think, I look impulsive and... what you think of me above. I also didn't have type to type much iirc, my wife is in post partum so she's very naggy. I can jump off here in there during the day. During nighttime I have more time. I'll go spend some time on this game now.In post 765, Elsa Jay wrote:I'm also not ignoring the fact you said this, Sash. What the HECK is this? I atleast expected you to go after Ofr for that, or even me... But nobody? Sigh.-
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Sashaddin Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1597
- Joined: May 12, 2018
- Location: Canada -5 GMT
To be honest, I don't remember anyone saying anything that had countering EJ's claim, so I thought everyone was along with it. I thought BEF "bluff" about his role had fished a scum... I didn't see the obviousness, sorry.In post 767, ofrhz wrote:650 was pretty bad considering there was just someone who "claimed something improbable, got caught" and was town.