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what if it's L-2? why does it concern you? does it mean you find the other votes are not blind?In post 24, TheGoldenParadox wrote:This puts him at L-2. Those are two blind votes on a bandwagon that has no substance.
VOTE: xwing because that was the L-2, but stillFoSing Doughboy.
also, why FoS doughboy (henceforth shortened as DB) among all the other voters?
@trivium: what's your relationship with lapsa? what are your thoughts on this current wagon on you?In post 27, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
hahaha reason?In post 25, Trivium wrote:Sorry mod, will make note. Whoaa lapsa's in this game?
VOTE: TheGoldenParadox
why flubbs instead of the other voters?
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why do you need to insert the last line (bolded for emphasis)?
i dont get this question..who would push through to lynch someone on day 1 page 2/3?In post 35, profii wrote:I am interested if the following players are interested in pushing the Trivium wagon through to a lynch:
2.Nikk
5.Wagonomics
6.Egix96
9.Robert2424
disliking egix vote here, reasons below..In post 36, Egix96 wrote:
I can agree with this.In post 24, TheGoldenParadox wrote:This puts him at L-2. Those are two blind votes on a bandwagon that has no substance.
VOTE: xwing because that was the L-2, but stillFoSing Doughboy.
VOTE: xwing
do you seriously think someone is going to get lynched on page 2 or 3?In post 44, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
My point is that you two just posted naked votes and no other game content, whichIn post 32, xwing wrote:
what if it's L-2? why does it concern you? does it mean you find the other votes are not blind?In post 24, TheGoldenParadox wrote:This puts him at L-2. Those are two blind votes on a bandwagon that has no substance.
VOTE: xwing because that was the L-2, but stillFoSing Doughboy.
also, why FoS doughboy (henceforth shortened as DB) among all the other voters?
1) takes an oppurtunity to jump on a wagon that seems like it's going to lynch, clearly to try and appear town, and
2) doesn't post any game advancing content for us to try to read them by.
Previous voters did
a)not naked vote, or
b)were on a wagon that just started developing.
putting trivium in L-2 is giving us game advancing content..do you agree or disagree?
if i put a jokey reason during my RVS vote, would my L-2 vote still have pinged you?
are you scum?
VOTE: goldenparadox
i like the bolded above, and taking note..i did like trivium's reaction to his wagon though..In post 54, Egix96 wrote: [snip]
Ehh. Just because a wagon forms on someone very quickly, doesn't necessarily mean the person being wagoned is town.
Example I can cite: the beginning of Newbie 1893.
conversely disliking goldenparadox and nikk slots on their reactions to it..
feeling dubious on egix slot for initially agreeing with golden and voting my slot, then backtracking..-
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what do you think of goldenparadox slot? can we use GP? but i dunno, typing "paradox" feels good lolIn post 50, Nikk wrote:
People are just acting outside of the interest of the town (quick wagon, naked votes) to stir up conversation? To x's credit they did jump right in and ask good questions.In post 49, Trivium wrote:It's just a thing people are doing to get talking to happen.
VOTE: Flubbernugget
why is a quick wagon/naked vote during RVS outside the interest of town?
how do you propose to hunt scum?
slightly pinged by the wording used, similar wording and reason used by golden..In post 51, Nikk wrote:Voting flub for bandwagon vote with no substance-
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i think lolwagons can be town for now..see bold above..i dont think scum:In post 64, LolWagons wrote:In post 62, xwing wrote:
what do you think of goldenparadox slot? can we use GP? but i dunno, typing "paradox" feels good lolIn post 50, Nikk wrote:
People are just acting outside of the interest of the town (quick wagon, naked votes) to stir up conversation? To x's credit they did jump right in and ask good questions.In post 49, Trivium wrote:It's just a thing people are doing to get talking to happen.
VOTE: Flubbernugget
why is a quick wagon/naked vote during RVS outside the interest of town?
how do you propose to hunt scum?
slightly pinged by the wording used, similar wording and reason used by golden..In post 51, Nikk wrote:Voting flub for bandwagon vote with no substanceOhhh I have commentary on this too but I’ll hold off.
I try to always let the person respond before I chime in. You don’t want to queue them into what you’re looking for in the answer.
1) will purposely tell they are being cage-y about their reads, twice now in fact
2) will think to add the line about letting people respond first, i think this is a townie mindset
hey nikk! i think you missed the first question?In post 68, Nikk wrote:Hey x,
Both questions to me are kind of the same so I'll answer both.
I hate votes with no reasoning. Allowing it gives scum an opening to skate by. It would be hypocritical of me to not at least put something in and then rail against other naked voters.
1. what do you think of goldenparadox slot?
also,
2. if i put in some lame joke-y reason behind my vote, would you be pinged by it (assuming my vote put him at L-2 still)?
storing in memory..In post 71, LolWagons wrote:^This slot is starting to look bad
Calls for votes on a larger bandwagon that he doesn’t even have a vote on and now going after obvious policy lynch bait. Completely ignores my scum reads wagon. If GP flips red I’d encourage everyone to remember this.
all the more reason to town read lolwagon, methinks..
not sure why wagonomics is policy lynch though, @lolwagon?
@lapsa, what do you think about gp and nikk slots? thoughts on the current game state?
profii, talk to me about this? there must be something i've said/done that made you say that..In post 78, profii wrote:I dont feel as great about xwing though, dunno why-
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nah, leaning more on scummy for lapsa..In post 82, LolWagons wrote:Also to add to Lapsa the fact he wanted to lynch Trivium without him being on the wagon is icky. Either town really not paying attention or scum forgetting to walk his walk and talk his talk. I find it hard to believe as town I’d forget where my vote was.
@profii, why do you think it just deserves a "noted" level?
@wagonomics: nice flavor, i like it!! though im confused in what you're actually trying to convey..would you mind giving a non-flavor text for this? what do the numbers indicate?In post 83, Sashaddin wrote:
1. Why are you giving yourself such a high value?In post 66, Wagonomics wrote:WAGONS
Doughboy
Nikk
LolWagons
Trivium
Wagonomics
Egix96
profii
Sashaddin
Robert2424
xwing
TheGoldenParadox
Flubbernugget
Lapsa
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125
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125
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175
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75
125
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100
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2. Profii only has a short ISO yet the highest rating. Are you reading from meta or is it something I missed?
3. I kinda like LolWagons ISO, why a rating so high?
I'll post more tonight, time for dinner and I watch my kids all evening.
@sasha: what do you think of gp and nikk slots?
pedit:
@profii: hmmm okay i can understand that train of thought..personally though i dislike meta coz it's very volatile..i would say i believe you re your explanation..-
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it's concerning how many people read this post scummy..In post 91, xwing wrote:hmmm i like to like you profii, but maybe i cant give you a town read just yet..but def not on my scumdar..
im gonna take a backseat for now and let the others come in and comment..
@mod: i'm going to be V/LA on the weekends UTC+12, it's Friday lunch time now my time..
but i find it more concerning that all the people who got pinged didnt have questions for me..like all of them are just writing this off as scummy and that's that? hmmm..
in my defense:
1. would you think scum would explicitly state they are taking a backseat? i mentioned this coz i felt i was clogging the thread, wanted others to chime in more..
2. i also state my V/LA is on weekends in ALL my games (db can attest, we had a game together..a quick check in my other games will attest to this as well..)
3. not sure what waffling means..if i dont have follow up questions, maybe that's because i was
a. on V/LA
b. satisfied with your answer
quick reads based on skim:
strong town: lolwagons
townier than townlean: db, sasha
townlean: profii, robert, wagonomics
null: trivium, lapsa, egix
scumlean: gp, nikk, flubber
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In post 128, Flubbernugget wrote:
"Hey look I might have to defend myself ok bye"In post 91, xwing wrote:hmmm i like to like you profii, but maybe i cant give you a town read just yet..but def not on my scumdar..
im gonna take a backseat for now and let the others come in and comment..
@mod: i'm going to be V/LA on the weekends UTC+12, it's Friday lunch time now my time..this looks like a very bad vote fmpov, profii..
so you had a bad feeling about my slot, but you wait for someone else to validate and vote for it before getting your hands dirty yourself? if you're town, i think this looks bad on your slot, i'd rather you voted me first..
uhhh i dont understand what you mean flubber..where am i having trouble generating conversation? isnt it more like i had to go so i ended it, but gave my closing comments before i did?In post 134, Flubbernugget wrote:Mostly the way they addressed profii. "You're pushing me and instead of digging into it I'm just going to waffle on the read for now."
Like, why ask all these questions and then have so much trouble generating a conversation?
[naked vote and "not moving the game forward"] argument against me:
for all those who keep saying [paraphrased] "xwing made a naked vote and is not giving substantial content:
i urge townies to look past surface level and also try to see themotivebehind certain actions..the fact that we've got a lot of discussion going on about the game (at my expense perhaps) is pretty telling..or so i hope..
pedi: @lapsa, will reply to you in a bit..not sure if i should comment on stuff i missed in the last uhhhh 6+ pages first..-
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lapsa slot is pinging me too, hmmm..might need to revise my read on nikk..In post 155, Nikk wrote:Oh my goodness I am a shoot moron.
I meant lapsa not Robert. Robert's post piecing the two laps piece's together are what made me think it was off.
My bad
VOTE: lapsa
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get on xwing!In post 161, LolWagons wrote:Duuuuuude GPs post is awful. The OP he’s quoting is profii saying that it’s probably not a reliable read because he’s reading off someone else’s meta. Instead of sheeping more updated and more rationally sound logic of generating questions with no content. Reasons matter and I am not buying that.
Trivium is town. This time, I think I’m actually sure.
@lapsa: why GP is scummyIn post 171, LolWagons wrote:
Profii. This is like, the most vague half-hearted waffling I’ve seen on a while. That type of post is not town.Interesting. I am getting that same thing, though in a different way. Xwing is scummy and it seems that he is playing this kind of game.
to add:
1. naked voting as a reason is very flimsy, considering we were at RVS stage..if my vote was a hammer, i wouldn't find the naked vote a very bad reason..
2. he said i didnt produce game advancing content during RVS..does that mean GP did? very hypocritical..also i'd argue that the fact that me being on a wagon right now is indicative that my slot has produced content/discussion enough to warrant a wagon-
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sasha you seem town..In post 145, Sashaddin wrote:Having caught up, I sense the better wagon here is Xwing. I feel the same thing as everyone who voted for him. My vote would put to L-2 if I count well, so I will hold off for a bit.
When I come back home I'll vote him if my mind hasn't changed or if someone hasn't posted something about him.
why the hesitancy to put my slot to L-2? i certainly dont mind..you can put it to L-1 even..
i'd be very cross if i got lolhammered though, so let's not hammer..
im not feeling good with this slot..seems like he's just popping in and out..In post 147, Egix96 wrote:I'm keeping my vote where it is for now. I'm not feeling all that persuaded to change it back.
@nikk: im leaning scum on lapsa..i think i've already stated this..In post 198, Nikk wrote:
It is a big part of the game, town or scum. But we can discuss mafia philosophy elsewhere.In post 196, LolWagons wrote:
I get pissed when people don't answer my questions. About half the people in this game just finished a game with me where the guy wouldn't answer me directly and yeah, I fucking hate it.In post 194, Nikk wrote:You seem very defensive, friend. It interests me.
You're question has a simple answer. I don't. I wanted to see how you would react. I now have my answer.
As I said early, Paradox feels like a
It looks as if the day is consolidating into TGP and xwing. I would be curious to hear TGP's thoughts on lolwagon and xwing's thoughts on lapsa please.
87, scroll down for lapsa section
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lolwagons vs nikk seem TvT to me..hmmm..In post 199, LolWagons wrote:And no, that's not a loaded question. I'm genuinely interested in your opinion.
@lolwagons can you elaborate on what "chainsawing" means? i didnt understand that..
pedit: @lapsa i meant im still replying/commenting on the latter pages but i've seen your current post already (while in preview)..that said your attack on me feels very scummy..i didnt get this vibe from profii or sasha..-
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^slight townie points to robert for the star wars reference..In post 178, Robert2424 wrote:[snip]
Riding in a Xwing sounds fun and all, but I'd rather fly an Awing. *cue star wars music*.
kidding aside, slight town points for wanting to push for his own read instead of sheeping..
additional town points for robert since GP (my scumlean) called him an eager townie..In post 178, Robert2424 wrote:In post 150, TheGoldenParadox wrote:I see where you're coming from, but right now Robert is more "overeager town" than "cunning scum" in my eyes.
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^db is town..In post 184, Doughboy wrote: You do if you want to know why they voted. You can’t say people refused to provide reasons just because they didn’t give one. Sometimes it’s good to not give a reason. Sometimes people just don’t have the time. Sometimes people do it to get a reaction.
Ask before you say people refused or don’t say they refused.
@robert: i'd be careful with your line of reasoning on "post only when you have time" plus "always explain yourself"..did could be used by scum to their advantage to appear townie..In post 205, Robert2424 wrote:
If they don't have time, don't post. I only posts when I'm not at work and on my home computer. If they are going for reactions, they are just putting unneeded spotlight on themself. I don't see why you need to defend naked voting so much.In post 184, Doughboy wrote:
You do if you want to know why they voted. You can’t say people refused to provide reasons just because they didn’t give one. Sometimes it’s good to not give a reason. Sometimes people just don’t have the time. Sometimes people do it to get a reaction.In post 178, Robert2424 wrote:I really shouldn't have to ask people, hence my response before
Ask before you say people refused or don’t say they refused.
im fine with either gp or lapsa lynch for D1..In post 206, LolWagons wrote:
Yup.In post 204, Nikk wrote:
I mean 115 literally describes 117 and 118.In post 202, LolWagons wrote:#113-#118 (they aren't all his, but that window) in his ISO...I mean, that's bad.
So don't discount the Lapsa lynch. I have the opposite stance of you. GP barely a better push than Lapsa. Need more from both.
let's move this along please..
^sasha is town..In post 225, Sashaddin wrote:
Sorry dude. I did not think of the consequences as deep as you did. How does it help town? (Not a trick question, I just want to be educated)In post 210, LolWagons wrote:Well I was hoping no one would specifically point that piece out because if people want to think there's a cop when there's not, that would typically benefit town, but you went and blew it.-
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surprisingly, i find gp's read list 241 and 245 a bit okay..doesn't redeem his scum equity though..
also, robert's in 245 got a lot of nulls..doesnt look too good..
@profii..your line on burden of proficiency is dangerous, and could be interpreted as giving you a way out as scum later when you suddenly scumread lolwagons..In post 256, profii wrote:Yo Lolwagons - i wanted you to vote Xwing because I thought you were scum WITH Xwing - that why I note your resistance but you are starting to town it up a bit more so I'll reveal my read.
I am placing you under the pressure of a relatively high burden of proficiency so if you keep getting stuff wrong I am going to revert back to my initial instinct that you are scum with xwing.
it was an early read and probably wrong but that's why i was going that way.
that said, yes i am still campaigning for lolwagons as my strongest townread..
i'll say db is also a good candidate..
nope..we should have a lynch target early..if the slot claims PR, we need another round of discussion (unless you think the slot's too scummy even with the claim)..so not being in a hurry in this context in anti-town..hmmm maybe db is right about you? hmmm..In post 262, Robert2424 wrote:with we have till after christmas to get a lynch, and I am in no hurry to see anybody lynched and neither should anybody.
In post 280, Doughboy wrote:
That’s because I am high and mighty. That’s a dumb reason to ping somebody. Not every post needs to provide value. You of all people should know this since you’ve made posts without any valueIn post 279, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
Because you're being so high and mighty as well as the fact that that post provides no value to anyone.In post 263, Doughboy wrote:
And why is that?In post 259, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
THis is pinging me HARD.In post 257, Doughboy wrote: I appreciate the attempt though. I like to see scum fight back.
plus points for db and flubber, minus points again for GP (negating any positives he got from me from his read list)..In post 298, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
It seems not only not game advancing, but also contrived and artificial.In post 294, Flubbernugget wrote:
Can you elaborate? I feel doughboy is town, and at least at one point you did tooIn post 259, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
THis is pinging me HARD.In post 257, Doughboy wrote: I appreciate the attempt though. I like to see scum fight back.
gp, you have the habit of re-using words in your argument..i mean you called my "content" as that as well..not really Ai i guess, but it's rubbing me the wrong way..being in my scumlean is not helping my view of your slot too..
hmmm, flubber might actually be town..
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if robert is scum, then lapsa is town, methinks..In post 315, Doughboy wrote:
I do have reasons not to vote Lapsa.In post 314, Robert2424 wrote:
lol, cause if I were to do so, would be a great idea. Since somehow people have already "linked me" with Golden somehow, thinking I somehow care if he got lynched. It won't hurt my feelings, I just think there a more scummy person, unless you have reasons not to vote for Lapsa?In post 311, Doughboy wrote:Defending your scum buddy?
i think i need to reread the case on robert..
In post 328, Doughboy wrote:It’s not unusual to be inactive on weekends. Flubber I think was the one who made a big deal about it. I’d lynch him also because that was scummy as fuck.
scumlean for buddying the modIn post 331, Sashaddin wrote:
I love the mod so far, lots of vote counts on top of pages. Clean and effiicient.In post 326, Doughboy wrote:One of these days I’m going to steal your pagetop
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why do you need to wait for others to convince you instead of looking at it on your own?In post 340, Robert2424 wrote:I actually do have a case on Lapsa. Lapsa has yet to show any town in the slightest.
Course I'm waiting for someone to try to convince me to vote for golden.
reinforcing my belief that robert and lapsa are not buddies though..
what do you mean about signal?In post 343, Lapsa wrote:@xwing not sure what to make out of your reply
only signal I'm seeing is LolWagon's #171
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hmmm yeah sorry not getting you..
i dont get the hostility coming from you though..
are you an OMGUS type of player?
i havent even voted you yet..my buck is still with GP..
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fair enough, im active now, we can talk in real time..
i really dont know what it means, and im asking for clarification, im not playing the noob card..
this is my 5th game overall..
for your question on scum reads:
scumlean: gp, nikk, flubber
those were up to the point i had finished reading, i have updated reads now that i've caught up..
gp, i've explained, top scum, wagon this (though i'm fine with robert and possibly profii too methinks..)
nikk: i didnt like the RVS (i emphasized in bold) here 60, but i think he might be town..
flubber: i didnt like him putting words in my mouth by interpreting my V/LA as an escape..otherwise it seems he's town, see my more recent "walls" as to why..
robert: i disliked his read list..very non-committal.. (e.g. player1 can be town, but can be scum, vice versa)..but got a few town points from me so kinda confused..
profii: i didnt like him sitting on the fence with regards on my slot, then voting me when someone voted..seemed opportunistic
egix: ?? more content needed, methinks..
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what coin are you proposing got the highest return of investment at this moment, then?In post 359, Wagonomics wrote:xwing, is TGP the best possible investment right now?
maybe fence-sitting is not the right word, but your vote timing looks pretty scummy fmpov..In post 360, profii wrote:Xwing I’m not sure how you think I’m sitting on the fence with you - I think you are scummy
you stated that "oh, xwing questions a lot, sounds like flubber when flubber was scum, but it's not fair to vote xwing for that.."
some time later flubber votes xwing, then you vote in turn..
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the fact that flubber pointed that robert's list got no scum in it is slightly townie..
usually scum would have a lot of null reads and lots of weak sauce stuff..
technically flubber is incorrect in his statement though, but that's a different point..
for me, what pinged me about robert's read list is it's to wish-washy..
i think it may be in the way he has worded them..
for example, first entry, db: ".....I feel he could flip either way....."
second is my strong town reads are scum reading his slot..
tbh i dont have a strong tell on that slot, plus i feel he got a couple of minor town points for me, hence the lean..
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no offense taken, i would say you're fairly accurate..In post 384, Trivium wrote:I think for xwing it's the question asking. He seems kind of newish in some ways, like he's still getting the hang of mafia, no offense to xwing. I feel like the type of person he is would just be more inclined to ask lots of questions and try to generate conversation as town, he seems to have latched onto that idea and rolled with it. It's that or he's newscum who thinks he can coast by convincing everyone he's town with his questions, but I'm just feeling the former and any further analysis of that just feels like wifom. The VLA is NAI and I'm suspicious of players who tried to say that's AI.
im trying to make it easier for people to discern my alignment, but seems the method was only half effective lol..
why is trivium underwhelming? have both of you played with trivium before, and got some expectations from that slot?In post 390, Sashaddin wrote:
Something we agree on.In post 388, Lapsa wrote:@trivium I find you underwhelming
i still dont know what to think of profii..his actions are just questionable/scummy to me..in this instance he openly admits to not reading new info but is still content to scum read me..this isnt OMGUS, it's just pinging me..as town would absorb new info and re-adjust reads accordingly..In post 409, profii wrote:
I haven’t read that to be fair I’ll catch upIn post 407, Flubbernugget wrote:I am curious as to why xwing is still in this list. We were both in agreement that that they were shaking the bush but not really picking up anything that may have dropped. That changed a lot with their catch up.
@flubz what do you think of profii slot?
i think flubber might actually be town..if gp is scum, this kind of statement would put flubber in hot water, so i dont think a scum buddy would do this..doesnt clear gp slot though..
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im feeling good about flubber slot..
egix slot, not so much yet..will wait for the rest of his reads..
noting that egix comment on nikk's post 7 is echoing my earlier comment on post 60
i'll accept lolwagon vouching for this slot for now..but wont award a town read yet..
also like that egix delivered on his word about expanding on his reads..
lolwagons, you've never been wrong on your egix read on all your past games?
lapsa, seems we're not compatible style-wise, but his recent posting seems townie to me..
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see my post 414, latter part..In post 425, Egix96 wrote:Not sure what to make of Flubber's ISO actually... I'll just put him in my nullpile for now.
@lapsa: noted, I'll make sure to consider that if you turn out to be town.
@xwing: I'd be interested in your reasoning for your flubber read.
lemme know if you need more..
@lolwagons: you'll be fine haha..
reason why im not too comfy with egix was mainly coz of the start..didnt like how he joined my wagon, then switched not soon after..unsure if im thinking too much into it..
i still like the fact that he delivered on his word though..
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@lol, is this what you meant by the scumslip on post 430? i dont get what you're seeing here..In post 430, TheGoldenParadox wrote:[snip]
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dont think it's a double bus..In post 467, LolWagons wrote:Idk you think it’s a double bus? We’ve had a fair amount of trouble getting this wagon up and there’s a fairly robust counterwagon. If GP is scum I say 1 bus max on the wagon.
but could it really be as easy as gp-profii-egix team? dont think so either..
before the lapsa wagon, there was an attempt to create a counterwagon on me too..
does this signify scum trying to steer clear of gp?
also, im still not entirely convinced on the scumslip, but im still fine with gp lynch..
@lapsa: why the unvote? who are you going to vote for?
@dough: you're cooling off mate..please come in and post soon..
pedit: thanks schadd!
pedit2: agree with trivium-
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both gp and profii on my wagon..hmmm..In post 175, schadd_ wrote:Vote count 1.2
TheGoldenParadox (4):Trivium, LolWagons, Egix96, xwing
xwing (4):TheGoldenParadox, Lapsa, Flubbernugget, profii
Lapsa (2):Robert2424, Nikk
Wagonomics (1):Sashaddin
Robert2424 (1):Doughboy
Nikk (1):Wagonomics
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regardless of how gp flips, i think we need to take a look at profii, not feeling comfy with this slot..
see my post 414, middle part talks about profii
i think just blindly voting someone OUTSIDE of rvs based on OLD information is very, very scummy and i see this as more of a scumslip than gp statement..
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i can get why you find this icky, but at this point just put it under "noted" section..lolwagon's too far from the global scummy list..In post 500, Trivium wrote:I don't like that lol's talking about why they might be left alive tonight already, but whatever
that said, tgp claim makes me think he might actually really be town..my next scum would be profii too anyway though so should still be fine, i guess..
i was initially skeptical with trivium's intent to hammer, but upon ISO, found him consistent in reading tgp as scummy..so my fears subsided a bit..
i still think db is town, his play is quite similar to when i've played with him..but hope he picks up his activity, he's pretty good at scum hunting (when he doesnt let his emotions get the better of him)..
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@lol thanks for answering, but i still think sasha is townie..i just didnt like his last sentence, seems AtoE..
im okay with egix/profii grill tom..profii moreso regardless of gp flip..profii reaction test just had me confused.. @_@
wagonomics slot seems townie to me..even if their post count is low and meme-y, his values counter gets updated everytime based on the events that are happening in game..
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i'm annoyed with how the last day went..didnt even wait for everyone to have their say before the lynch when we had plenty of time to discuss..i thought we were in agreement that we were going to look at profii slot? how come it changed to wagonomics?
i dont buy the inattentive vote from profii..
also the scumslip from tgp is too glaring to pass..did no one else find it glaring? lolwagons got killed coz of it..
VOTE: profii
also, flubber NK highly suggests robert as scum, unless it's a frame-up job..
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i missed you too..In post 720, Lapsa wrote:I missed you, xwing
coz flubber was pushing for a robert lynch..In post 721, Robert2424 wrote:How dose that kill indicate me as scum xwing? It wouldn't of been my choice as scum.
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also your defense is wifom..very weak..
what's your case on lapsa again?
i need to read the wiki and i need to hear more from mastina..other than that, i still think mastina slot is town based on db posts..In post 725, Egix96 wrote:
*Sees N2 flip*In post 709, Wagonomics wrote:Theres no more tprs so you can talk freely
Does anyone else here think mastina could be an ascetic goon?
i removed the other parts but kept the relevant ones to lessen the wall..In post 727, Egix96 wrote:In post 710, Wagonomics wrote:[snip]
Bolded part seems a bit TMI-ish to me...In post 719, xwing wrote:[snip]i thought we were in agreement that we were going to look at profii slot? how come it changed to wagonomics?
i dont buy the inattentive vote from profii..
also the scumslip from tgp is too glaring to pass..did no one else find it glaring?lolwagons got killed coz of it..
VOTE: profii
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TGP voting xwing in early-game = possible distancing??
im not sure if i should town read or scum read egix for this..i can see why you would think of the TMI, but i think lolwagons was a globally strong town read so the kill doesn't really surprise me..
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i want to believe you but i cant right now..In post 729, profii wrote:Firstly - I’m an idiot - moving on...
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mechanics question: if a neighborizer chose someone to be their neighbor on the night they were killed, what happens?
also, since they were loyal, it would also mean it kinda acts as an investigative too right, since you can't recruit a different alignment?
if that's the case, i think we lost two very powerful roles..
@sasha: beats me..in my other schadd open game mafia got the "informed" modifier, so maybe they know something? but i still dont know why flubber..i mean he wasn't a strong town read like lolwagons was..maybe they got lucky??
@profii: i appreciate that you accept it's on you..but still..hmph.. *indignant face* im still sad..buy me candy and lynch scum this day, i might turn around..
@pedit: hmmm with profii's explanation, i think ascetic mastina is town..made to balance out the neighborizer TPRs..egix what do you think of this?
@pedit2: oh okay trivium just answered my question methinks..im okay with a robert or profii lynch too..both have the same scum weight for me, though i'd rather be on profii first as he seems to be more experienced..(no offense to robert)..-
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lolwagons most likely targetted tgp..In post 584, LolWagons wrote:
Idk he must have misread his role PM I’m TGP’s neighbor and he’s actually a six-shot vengeful Townie. We figured this would be the best way to scumhunt, just get him lynched and he shoots our six scum readsIn post 582, Trivium wrote:
What in hell's doorbells is going on hereIn post 581, Wagonomics wrote:
It was not. I am an Informed Economist, and GoldCoin actually has the Loved Modifier, so that was only L-1.In post 579, LolWagons wrote:Is that hammer? I was lyncher, TGP was my target. I win right?
wagonomics was joking and hinting TPR in the same post methinks..
In post 605, Flubbernugget wrote:We lynch Robert today and wagon tomorrow.
this is the closest to a hint i can see from flubber, but i cant find who he crumbed to target though..do we believe trivium?In post 632, Flubbernugget wrote:
This goes for anyone else ascetic as well.In post 613, mastina wrote:Because it is stupendously antitown to not.
While it does prevent any scum roles from targeting me and lets them know that they can kill me for free, it tells the town roles not to waste their action on me. Thus, they can use their role on someone who it will work on.
im leaning yes..
VOTE: robert
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huh wait what??In post 752, Robert2424 wrote:Well, I'm not ascetic, unless its not in my Role PM. Second, if he wanted a direct answer, he should of asked, it could of been anybody he targeted N1, Except Nikk or me. As I wasn't Naiborized, and Nikk wasn't visted N1.
oh yeah n2/3 forgot about that..dang he was too townie i wouldn't have thought he was PR.. what do you mean by the second paragraph?In post 753, profii wrote:Lol died before his PR kicked in he was n2/3
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why are you claiming so soooooon..In post 754, Robert2424 wrote:btw, if you haven't guessed by now I'm a Voyeur. Nobody visited Lapsa last night either.
this is a new role for me, will read up..
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i havent encountered this role before so im not so sure how it plays..In post 756, Trivium wrote:I'm trying to think of a reason you shouldn't believe me xwing, I really am, and I can't find any. Unless there's a mafia roleblocker who blocked flubber's neighborizing *and* maf killed flub the same night while somehow knowing flubber was both neighborizer and was going to neighborize me tonight... I mean, I'm town.
im thinking scum can also claim they were neighborized then someone would cc then it would be a 1v1..
but then it would be 1 town for 1 scum so it's anti-scum play..
okay that makes sense i didnt think it through much..sorry mr. armless..
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this is my 5th game overall, with 3 of them spent in the newbie queue..In post 767, Robert2424 wrote:xwing, how new to you at mafia? Voyeur isn't that uncommon last I checked?
it's my first time to encounter neighbor, loyal, and voyeur..
and sorry, i didnt count that you're at L-1 already, i thought there were more votes needed..
yeah actually, im not too confident now, in light of robert claim, and profii being onboard here..In post 768, Trivium wrote:Anyone else have something to say about this? Let's give this a day and hammer robert into the ground
UNVOTE:
usually, what i've seen is people give the benefit of the doubt to the claimer and then try to find someone else who's scummy..coz near the end of the day we can always go back to the claimer and lynch them accordingly if they were fake-claiming..coz on the chance that he's NOT fake-claiming, then we still have some utility there..
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profii, i didnt get this, can you expand some more?In post 765, profii wrote:I think scum voyeur fits in the game as they will be able to work out who all the innos are and kill them
I’m still happy to lynch Robert in light of Claim
dang it lapsa, that's so townie!
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can we compromise for this day and vote our other scum read instead? im not comfy lynching a claimed PR right now..also, please, let's wait for the others to chime in before we do any lynching..In post 778, Trivium wrote:Xwing, this would be okay except I'm dead tomorrow, so I would kindly ask you to lynch scum before you don't have somebody reminding you that you do, in fact, have to lynch scum to win.
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lolwagons was loyal as well..In post 783, profii wrote: [snip]
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i dont get the hostility--i only questioned you being town once? and conceded you're likely town?In post 813, Trivium wrote:If you're town your wincon is voting robert right now.
and my wincon is lynching scum, which i think is more profii, less robert..
why is robert more scum than profii?
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why profii is scummy..
no, it's not just the "alleged miscount"..that's just minor compared to your other tells..
all emphasis mine..
have people forgotten this? im seriously confused how come wagon got lynched BEFORE profii..In post 451, LolWagons wrote:In post 449, xwing wrote:
@lol, is this what you meant by the scumslip on post 430? i dont get what you're seeing here..In post 430, TheGoldenParadox wrote:[snip]
Going to go with a SR on profii for trying to get himself on a wagon before it goes to a lynch.VOTE: profiiThe only way it would be advantageous for Profii to be on his wagon as scum, is if TGP were to flip scum.
If TGP flips town, then how is it good for scum-Profii to be on the wagon?
And we know TGP is scumreading Profii because it’s right there in the post.
the resistance to the profii wagon is telling too, noh?
^second tell..throwing in bait, waiting for someone to jump in and vote before getting his hands dirty himself..very opportunistic and safe vote here..In post 337, xwing wrote:In post 128, Flubbernugget wrote:
"Hey look I might have to defend myself ok bye"In post 91, xwing wrote:hmmm i like to like you profii, but maybe i cant give you a town read just yet..but def not on my scumdar..
im gonna take a backseat for now and let the others come in and comment..
@mod: i'm going to be V/LA on the weekends UTC+12, it's Friday lunch time now my time..this looks like a very bad vote fmpov, profii..
so you had a bad feeling about my slot, but you wait for someone else to validate and vote for it before getting your hands dirty yourself? if you're town, i think this looks bad on your slot, i'd rather you voted me first..
^third..giving yourself a way out on his reads..In post 354, xwing wrote:surprisingly, i find gp's read list 241 and 245 a bit okay..doesn't redeem his scum equity though..
also, robert's in 245 got a lot of nulls..doesnt look too good..
In post 256, profii wrote:Yo Lolwagons - i wanted you to vote Xwing because I thought you were scum WITH Xwing - that why I note your resistance but you are starting to town it up a bit more so I'll reveal my read.
I am placing you under the pressure of a relatively high burden of proficiency so if you keep getting stuff wrong I am going to revert back to my initial instinct that you are scum with xwing.
it was an early read and probably wrong but that's why i was going that way.@profii..your line on burden of proficiency is dangerous, and could be interpreted as giving you a way out as scum later when you suddenly scumread lolwagons..
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^profii contradicting himself on his vote on me, shows his opportunistic agenda..In post 361, xwing wrote:[snip]In post 360, profii wrote:Xwing I’m not sure how you think I’m sitting on the fence with you - I think you are scummymaybe fence-sitting is not the right word, but your vote timing looks pretty scummy fmpov..
you stated that "oh, xwing questions a lot, sounds like flubber when flubber was scum, but it's not fair to vote xwing for that.."
some time later flubber votes xwing, then you vote in turn..
seems suspect for me anyway..do you think im being unreasonable?
^putting in a vote AND lynch list WITHOUT evaluating new information..PLUS immediate back track once someone called him out on it..very, very slimy..In post 414, xwing wrote:In post 409, profii wrote:In post 407, Flubbernugget wrote:I am curious as to why xwing is still in this list. We were both in agreement that that they were shaking the bush but not really picking up anything that may have dropped. That changed a lot with their catch up.
I haven’t read that to be fair I’ll catch upi still dont know what to think of profii..his actions are just questionable/scummy to me..in this instance he openly admits to not reading new info but is still content to scum read me..this isnt OMGUS, it's just pinging me..as town would absorb new info and re-adjust reads accordingly..[snip]
^VCA on me..both gp and profii on my wagon..In post 488, xwing wrote:
both gp and profii on my wagon..hmmm..In post 175, schadd_ wrote:Vote count 1.2
TheGoldenParadox (4):Trivium, LolWagons, Egix96, xwing
xwing (4):TheGoldenParadox, Lapsa, Flubbernugget, profii
Lapsa (2):Robert2424, Nikk
Wagonomics (1):Sashaddin
Robert2424 (1):Doughboy
Nikk (1):Wagonomics
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regardless of how gp flips, i think we need to take a look at profii, not feeling comfy with this slot..
see my post 414, middle part talks about profii
i think just blindly voting someone OUTSIDE of rvs based on OLD information is very, very scummy and i see this as more of a scumslip than gp statement..
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i bet both of trivium's feet that profii is likely scum..and i firmly believe we should lynch profii before anyone else (robert, lapsa are in the general running)..
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@mod: new year's stuff, need V/LA and back on 3rd of Jan
i wont bother answering mastina's accusations against me right now unless it gains steam..
for the record i still think mastina is likely town due to setup spec and db early play, but i hope she starts having a good day IRL as i dont wanna engage with someone who might explode in game due to RL stuff..i want to have a fun game..
but if i only read mastina by herself, i dont feel so good about that slot..basically it's just "i'll vote here, im having a bad day cant stay long..bye.." (oversimplification but you get my drift)
@robert, i dont think mastina's game setup speculation was *that* weak..i think it did made sense..
i think robert might be town, but i might be getting buddied hard, and the flubber soft guilty doesnt look good on him..
nikk is strong town for me now..
tried quickly looking at sash's ISO to see what made him eat the NK but didnt find any..
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@egix: see above..
@mastina: are you still gonna push me as scum and help the scum team? do you want a rebuttal on this? i still want to believe you're town, and expert on setup spec, but apparently your scum!voyeur was wrong..
my other question is, if flubbz is loyal neighborizer, why do we only have trivium neighbor? there should be two as flubber got NK'd on N2..
unless he hit scum, which we now know he never did, as both people he soft guiltied are actually town..
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scummiest to leastIn post 951, Egix96 wrote:
Okay, so the setup was 10v3 to start with... I honestly didn't notice that part before.In post 950, xwing wrote:@egix: see above..
@mastina: are you still gonna push me as scum and help the scum team? do you want a rebuttal on this? i still want to believe you're town, and expert on setup spec, but apparently your scum!voyeur was wrong..
You say you still want to believe that mastina is town, so FYPOV your suspects should be Lapsa, Nikk, and me. How would you rank them?
1) lapsa
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im gonna rely on lolwagon's call on nikk town..
im gonna lean on my call of db as town, so by extension mastina is town..
egix-lapsa scum team guys..
gp lynch - one on, one off..
that's what i think..
if we were to choose one right now, i'll pick lapsa first..
anyway, will wait for all your rereads..
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