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Any particular reason?
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Sure RVS, but not NVS. Make up some transparently ridiculous reason for your vote at least. e.g.: "Is your avatar looking at me funny?"In post 38, Persivul wrote:Yeah, it's called random voting stage for a reason.-
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Agreed. He's either town or very ballsy scum. The latter seems unlikely, so he's on my town pile for now.In post 39, wilky wrote:Also the claim was the right decision to make, lets bin pers as town for now and find scum.-
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They would. I'm told that the "O"s appear to be looking at you regardless of the angle.
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Better?
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Based on what?
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This early in Day 1?!? I'd have to be impressively high-strung to be worried about that. I will admit to being interested in who votes on me.In post 58, u r a person 2 wrote:In post 45, L84Dnr wrote:
Agreed. He's either town or very ballsy scum. The latter seems unlikely, so he's on my town pile for now.In post 39, wilky wrote:Also the claim was the right decision to make, lets bin pers as town for now and find scum.
you seem actually concerned over votes on youIn post 49, L84Dnr wrote:Policy lynch over humour? Seems a bit harsh, especially since a lot of players haven't chimed in yet.
They aren't, by definition. I consider it a matter of style to make up a flimsy excuse for my RVS vote. If somebody doesn't then I can use that to get discussion going. Like this one.like who actually cares if rvs votes are warranted.
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Why?
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Aside from painting a bullseye on you I'm not sure what this claim does.
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My bad. Kudos for the spiciness at the expense of confidence in anything you might say.In post 82, Flavor Leaf wrote:I wanted to spice things up a bit.
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@Flavor Leaf. Kindly reconcile these statements. If you and Vedith are Masons and confirmed town to one another then why do you even need to read one another?In post 233, Flavor Leaf wrote:Even Vedith and Creature are scummy to me right now, and I am notorious for town reading them when I shouldn’t.
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Perhaps you could elaborate?In post 330, Flavor Leaf wrote: at L8-
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No, sadly that was just me trying to figure out if your spicy hardclaim was a load of horseshit or not. I'm used to games where that'd get you lynched, but clearly I'm still figuring out the dynamic here.In post 333, Flavor Leaf wrote:Was that supposed to be some kind of ‘Gotcha!’ Moment?
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And I'm going to disagree on Burkenstock...
He's this n00b...In post 96, Burkenstock wrote:So I've never played this. Do we know what all the roles are? Or how many people know more than others or is that mystery part of it? I juzt know that there are only wolves in 14 or more. Also persivul is screaming for his life over here.
But experienced enough to know that VTs can't RC worth a damn?In post 185, Burkenstock wrote:I am getting a lot of hate from some bunnies and the like. I cannot tell if you are ignorant like me or are taking out a pick as mafia.. I wish I could reveal myself in some way but that's the curse of vt
Four scum is a big thing...In post 203, Burkenstock wrote:I'm going to be honest so much has happened that I have no idea. Especially because I am not even sure what the potential roles are.If it is true that there are 4 scum then that makes a big difference.
Then when he's asked why it's not such a big deal, followed by deflective suspicion.In post 225, Burkenstock wrote:I am not sure if 4 mafia makes a big differencebut wilky and u r a person 2's interest in it is eerily scummy. Maybe I'm reading this wrong?
N00bs are full of questions and opinion. Gotta tell them everything thrice. Burke's ISO is anemic, a couple of basic n00b questions for the matter of form, and a bunch of one-liners. The inconsistency, the over-played n00b card, and the active lurking all look n00b scummy.
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EBWOP %$&# Quote tags
Clearly.In post 335, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m the reaction test player around these here parts.
Are you channelling Bessy the Hell Cow?Scum tremble before me. Moo ha ha...ha.-
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Yeah, I'm one of those weirdos that prefers information over naked or poorly-explained votes.
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Me too. Allow me to rephrase.In post 344, Burkenstock wrote:
Yeah I think its a pretty good game.In post 343, L84Dnr wrote:Nothing quite like an OMGUS vote to make my day.
@Burke, what's your Mafia/Werewolf experience? Not just on this site but as a whole?
How much experience do you have playing Mafia/Werewolf? On this site and elsewhere?
Since I asked, I played Newbie 1913. I got subbed in for "Blank" a couple days into Day 1.
I've played six games on another site where we use much more rapid 24 hour Day and Night phases. We use the MafiaScum Wiki a lot, which is how I discovered this place.
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Who's Burke's brother? Sorry, not following all the relationships here.In post 347, u r a person 2 wrote:also i can see town!burk better.
if burk is scum, tho, then his brother probably is, too
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I'm more interested in hearing it from him. It isn't as if it'll take him more than 5 minutes to type it up.In post 349, u r a person 2 wrote:i mean, his mafia experience was already discussed, too.
The game isn't that long. Put down your cook book and read it ;P-
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Still working on many of them.In post 392, Vedith wrote:In post 391, L84Dnr wrote:With this many scum and this many n00bs there's good odds on n00b scum, so let's talk to the silence.
So tell me your reads again?
Persivul's strong town, though not quite for the reason most people are looking at.
John Marv and Yellow Snow are at 3 posts each and I'd like to know why.
I'm still waiting to hear back from Burkenstock.
Flavour Leaf is pinging me as slightly scummy but I'm having a hard time reading him.-
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Informed Town would be an easy claim to fake, but I feel like scum!Pers would have claimed some other information. If it come to a point where the number of scum is obviously less than what he has claimed then he eats rope. It still might be a good play for ramping up the pressure on town artificially.In post 397, Vedith wrote:
Does Pers claim help your town read though?In post 396, L84Dnr wrote:Persivul's strong town, though not quite for the reason most people are looking at.
John Marv and Yellow Snow are at 3 posts each and I'd like to know why.
I'm still waiting to hear back from Burkenstock.
Flavour Leaf is pinging me as slightly scummy but I'm having a hard time reading him.
I view his Post #5 as more telling. If you're going to fakeclaim then you aren't worried about paraphrasing your role PM.
Not by itself, no. It is a reasonable tell for n00bscum, especially when combined with low content but you never use a single tell in isolation. This early in Day 1 it doesn't mean much. All I really want to do is get our silent partners talking so there's some info on which way to bin them.You shouldn't put alignment to activity. But I like that your questioning it.
I'm having a hard time reading through all the fluff but his Post #332 looked like an attempt to buddy me. It's weak though.FL is pinging me as town which I don't like.-
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There's rarely enough info to solve anybody on Day 1. It's why I'm giving you a weak lean.In post 398, Flavor Leaf wrote:@L8 - most people give it a day or 2 with me because there’s not enough info to solve Day 1.
People just know I’ve successfully gotten through with some tin foil theory scum plays.
I feel like our styles just don’t mesh too well, and you realize that, but you naturally just want to scum read that style.
You're a manipulative player. Nothing wrong with that but it rubs me the wrong way. I'm an analytical player and trying to see through that.-
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Just a weak read based on a comment you made. If it had been anything substantial I wouldn't have moved my vote.In post 404, Flavor Leaf wrote:
And you said this looked like buddying?In post 332, Flavor Leaf wrote:You act like it was a serious claim and used that to get your read.
I even went after some of the people who went on you.
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Another naked OMGUS vote?
Burkenstock, I think that you really need to explain why you're voting for Flippy.-
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What did they do that struck you as suspicious?In post 447, Burkenstock wrote:I've had suspicions about him and easy bake for a bit. Mostly flippy because he wasn't saying too much then came in to join some fingers.-
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Why not?In post 449, Flavor Leaf wrote:Burke’s been the focus of the game for a bit. I don’t really think he’s scum.-
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Sounds to me like you're jumping at shadows. Having one or two people vote you is no by deal.In post 455, Burkenstock wrote:I think the people that came after me wanted an easy target and those people are largely town jumping onto the bandwagon to kill me.
People voted me and just asked them why. That got more people voting me, but I'm the sort of wierdo that likes having a wagon. I find the most interesting people riding it.
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- YellowSnow is probably replaced unless he pipes up soon. He hasn't made a post in nearly 3 days.
- The slot formerly known as John Marv is currently being filled. No point speculating on that until somebody's subbed in.
- Burkenstock is looking like a reasonable Day 1 lynch. His n00b act is inconsistent and his naked OMGUS votes and equally unexplained unvotes look typical n00bscum. His question dodging isn't improving that impression.
- Weak town leans on WIlky and ARUPerson2
- Weak scum lean on Flavour Leaf.
I know, no great revelations. I need to sit down and go through this more thoroughly to figure the rest of you out.-
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Very funny. Much like all the ther fluff you've posted.In post 524, Creature wrote:
Okay.In post 523, L84Dnr wrote:VOTE: Creature
@Creature I'd be interested in knowing what your reads are.
I actually have a lot of reads, some I can cite are: economy, astronomy, philosophy, sociology, fiction, literature, epistemology, history, science.
Your ISO's so anemic I'm surprised it doesn't faint dead away. In 4 days you've asked all of two meaningful questions and failed to cast a single vote, even in RVS. YellowSnow and John Marv just didn't post, but your active lurking is actually pinging me a scummier than Burkentock ATM.-
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No problem with a little fluff but this is a solid diet of cotton candy.In post 532, Dr Easy Bake wrote:I’m enjoying the fluff!-
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Well, you seem pretty averse to answering questions too, until somebody votes you and then you perk up PDQ.In post 534, Creature wrote:Is that all you can pull?
Faffing about and forming your own impressions is fine, but town runs on information. You aren't producing any in either direction.-
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Team L8?!?In post 538, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Line of the game so far.In post 535, L84Dnr wrote:
No problem with a little fluff but this is a solid diet of cotton candy.In post 532, Dr Easy Bake wrote:I’m enjoying the fluff!
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Could you elaborate? Perhaps with a post longer and more Oomphful than Wilky's?In post 498, Scepticism wrote:Posts are short and lack oomph. There are more guilty of that of course, but wilky gives me the worst gut sensation so far.-
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Why so eager to see Burkenstock lynched?In post 542, Dr Easy Bake wrote:Is there any way to like kickstart this thing? 12 days is such a looooong day cycle! I’m ready to get this day one lynching out of the way and get some new info. I’m ready to get scummy Brother Sandal out of the mix.-
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Leans? Which way? Town or scum? What's your reasoning behind these leans?In post 588, Burkenstock wrote:I have leans on TLK, Easy, creature, flippy, and wilky but im not sure about anything. More eager for crrature and easy at this point.
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I'd be willing to wagon Burkenstock to see what some real pressure does. I'm scumreading him for a variety of reasons.
Low content one-liners including a lot of information instead of analysis.
Plays the n00b card but plays it wrong and inconsistently:
His thinking is sophisticated enough to call BS on Leaf's "hardclaim"In post 112, Burkenstock wrote:Also can we all agree that Flavor Leaf would never claim what he actuly is this early on and the fact that he chose a town faction only underlines that he is.. excuse me.. full of shit?
But n000b enough to wonder if scum are plotting in secret? I have a hard time reconciling those.In post 136, Burkenstock wrote:Don't certain roles get their own chats? I feel like people who probably talked early but then haven't been participating are scum plotting their secrets. I could be wrong about this..
He also isn't acting like a typical n00b, which is to ask wall-o-text questions, especiallyThe N00B Question, and then keep asking them. He doesn't have a single vote, not even in RVS, until he starts dropping OMGUS votes and then discovers how to PDQ. All his votes and unvotes are naked and purely reflexive. His few reads are bare accusations with no reasoning to back them up. It's hard to get him to reply and when he does they're minimal, evasive, or even Q4Q. I'm getting close to BINGO on his card.
What does everybody think about voting him up to L-2 and asking him to produce a detailed reads list?
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Horrible username. To easy to misspell it "Early for Lynch".In post 605, Dr Easy Bake wrote:Early for Lunch-
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Don't take him up above L-2. I don't want him self-hammering before he's had time to make interesting noises.In post 712, Dr Easy Bake wrote:
We’ve also got an (L-4) situation on the Brother Sandal Express, all aboard!In post 711, u r a person 2 wrote:You know what this game needs? Less people not voting anywhere
Lucky for ya'll, there is a ton of room on the TLK wagon that I am conducting
Tickets are free, and the seats are comfy-
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I don't want you dead. I've even asked people not to lynch you until you've had ample opportunity to have your say. I just want our best shot at avoiding a mislynch and right now that seems to be you. If you're town then convince me that I'm wrong. If I'm scum then convince everybody else that I'm wrong. Right now you only have 3 votes on you and it takes 7 to lynch, so if you work at it you should be able to get this wagon off of you. Try that instead of acting like you're already dead.In post 716, Burkenstock wrote:L8 frustrates me because he wants to see me dead so bad but I am not sure that makes him scum.
See, that's a bad sign. You should have a few reads at least with a few reasons to back them up. It's been nearly a week. For example, what's your take on Scepticism and Chara?For now I really do not have a hard read because I can't just jump on the Burkenstock bandwagon.
So Wilky's your top scum read because...???In post 718, Burkenstock wrote:
My gut read has been wilky. To be honest he came out stong and has fallen off which is scummy but I want to believe his business post because here I am throwing one down. I was going to come on here and remove my vote but Flippynips gives me a "he will die later why waste our first vote" vibe.In post 550, Emperor flippyNips wrote:He’s not worth it right now he can get sorted later. I don’t like that he’s not answering my question but posting but it’s fine he can die D2
But you're still voting Flippy because he's willing to let you live until Day 2??? The bastard!
Town is never sure. Wishy-washy is exactly how I'd describe it, right down to this bit of equivocation.My opinion is wishy washy though, really tough to be sure for me.
Every n00b game somebody asks if we really have to lynch somebody Day 1 based on little to no info when it's good odds of a mislynch. It usually takes a few pages to explain that even a mislynch produces information. That and if town waits for certainty we end up NKed to death.In post 719, Burkenstock wrote:Also, what is the N00b question that L8 brought up? Legitimately curious.-
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Even though your top scumread is Wilky? He's going to feel left out.In post 724, Burkenstock wrote:I think we should vote flippy. He has hid himself just the perfect amount.-
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Yeah, he was quick enough to OMGUS me and Flippy, but hasn't bothered to vote his top scumread.In post 760, wilky wrote:
Meh, im conflicted on this. Sometimes you have to settle on where your votes go but I think one glaring thing is that Burkes vote has never been on me this game despite me apparently being his biggest scum readIn post 758, L84Dnr wrote:
Even though your top scumread is Wilky? He's going to feel left out.In post 724, Burkenstock wrote:I think we should vote flippy. He has hid himself just the perfect amount.-
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I'm just concerned that it's another wasted vote because Scepticism is about to be replaced.In post 765, Chara wrote:
i could still go for Scept here, especially if 4 scum is legitimate. (which i lean towards.)In post 763, L84Dnr wrote:Burkenstock's my bet too. I can make a case for Flippy but not nearly as strong a case.
Scepticism's been awfully quiet for somebody who voted based on low activity.
VOTE: Scepticism
Hey Scepticism, pipe up! Hopefully before you get replaced.
but what's your opinion on TLK?
I haven't seen anything obvious from TLK but haven't looked very hard TBH. What's your case against him?
I think that Flippy's a bad Day 1 mislynch. Look at the pattern of votes with me, Flippy and Burke:
- I vote Burke
- Burke OMGUS votes me
- I unvote Burke
- Burke OMGUDSTM unvotes me
- Flippy votes Burke for that
- Burke OMGUS votes Flippy
The easy explanation for that pattern is that Burke is n00b scum, which I still favour. His play is almost entirely reactionary.
If either I or Flippy are scum that makes a lot less sense. It could be a shitty attempt to wagon town but we'd have to have pooched it pretty badly.
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Curious. I'm leaning town on Wilky. What's your thinking here?In post 776, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think Wilky/L8 probably has some scum in them.-
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How not? It's a naked vote right after he voted you.In post 797, Burkenstock wrote:My flippy vote actually wasn't an OMGUS but the other ones were for sure spite in hindsight. I think the red flag of his in the shadows isn't being appreciated enough but it is impossible to be sure at this point. I still think it is a good idea.
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