the thread title sucked the whole game

[emps]

Also there was Blake/Garmr thingy

[emps]

Pretty conf with this vote VOTE: DDL

[emps]

Duck, what are you saying gj to?

[emps]

yeah but... is that it or something specific i did?

[emps]

wait whos voting DDL rn?

also what about the DDL wagon do you not like blake?

[emps]

Uh DDL is at 4 votes schadd

[emps]

Garmr, i skimmed ur iso and i havent seen a mention of sky/tn containing 1 or 2 scum. could you like point out where you said it?

[emps]

Wait tw, what makes you think Blake/Garmr is t/t?

[emps]

Garmr , where did tw challenge ur idea and disagree with it? if im incredibly fucking blind and completely misssed it sry

[emps]

Why dont you TR Gamma?

[emps]

Vote ico.

Wow im so convinced and moved by these wise words. thank you for enlightening me.

[emps]

DDL, you only have one scumread?

[emps]

Also "lol ur bad at the game im town" is not a great way to convince people, it just aggravates them and starts a toxic 1v1. dont do that.

[emps]

personally i think bob is town

[emps]

no not really i already had a townread/townlean on him before that

[emps]

I dont really trust fbs clears that much because a check on bob and i are kinda weird...

[emps]

Is the gamma read just based on recent stuff? I think their d1 play was pretty townie

[emps]

oh yeah duck you forgot to answer why you think blake/garmr is t/t

ill do the bob thingy rn

[emps]

Ah trying to read bobs iso is pain reading long posts is hard lol


But he seems to be questioning/actively creating interactions. however hes slightly laid back though. most of the time its NAI and im too lazy to do a meta check thing

[emps]

woah thats some top level townplay

[emps]

Ah trying to read bobs iso is pain reading long posts is hard lol


But he seems to be questioning/actively creating interactions. however hes slightly laid back though. most of the time its NAI and im too lazy to do a meta check thing

consider scum knows that questioning and actively creating interactions looks towny
scum also don't have motivation to actually follow through on the content they're creating
scum also don't have any urgency wrt reacting to things and pushing their lynches

i'd argue bob is trying to look like he's town but doesn't actually give a toss about solving this one

compare to his towngame for example where his solves are a lot more erratic and reactive; here he kinda takes a back seat in generating content

might be wrong but he smells like scum fmpov

so basically bob reads like scum trying to get townread to you?

[emps]

Can someone kindly inform this lord dog of things I needed to know like claims and such?

Fireass is claiming 2 innos, one on bob, and one on me. he still hasnt fullclaimed yet tho

[emps]

ML Bait, are you a secret alt or a newbie?

[emps]

smh the whole "lol im town tracker what do i do" thing is probs just a joke, nobody would actually buy that someone insta-claims as soon as they rep in lol

[emps]

been seeing rn allot what does the abbreviation mean on this site

rn = right now

not really mafiascum terminology

[emps]

im still a newb- once this game is over im a SE.

[emps]

Also what new player names themself after a game mechanic
MBait might be the shadiest person here rn

ClaimNow has a game related name. idk i dont think its too rare?

[emps]

Garmr , where did tw challenge ur idea and disagree with it? if im incredibly fucking blind and completely misssed it sry

garmr u skipped this

this is about the when you said that duck disagreed with you about tn/skyg containing 1-2 scum d1

i skimmed around that area-ish and couldnt find duck disagreeing with it that much tbh

[emps]

the tracker claim was probably a joke...

[emps]

wait what why do you suddenly think Garmr is town and tw is scum?

[emps]

DrDolittle (3): emps, the worst, Iconeum
Blake Belladonna (3): Fire Assassin, Garmr, Gamma Emerald
Mislynch Bait (2): bob3141, Skygazer
Iconeum (1): DrDolittle
Fire Assassin (1): Blake Belladonna

not voting (1):Mislynch Bait

this is such a weird vc

how is it weird to you?

[emps]

Uh, who claimed PR? No ones even claimed yet except for fireass' weird clears on bob and i

[emps]

DrDolittle

(3):

emps

,

the worst

,

Iconeum

Blake Belladonna

(3):

Fire Assassin

,

Garmr

,

Gamma Emerald

Mislynch Bait

(2):

bob3141

,

Skygazer

Iconeum

(1):

DrDolittle

Fire Assassin

(1):

Blake Belladonna

not voting (1):

Mislynch Bait

fireass if you had to roll the dice on one of the ddl/blake wagons being all town which one would your money be on?

@emps just colouring it by how i'm reading people
the three wagons are on three people i don't townread
all three of them are vanity voting (/MLB who isn't voting)
if fireass is town the drd wagon is pretty dubious but i think it's all-town
blake wagon is kinda less clean but i like the way it's come together (fireass/garmr votes are earnest, gamma has clean trajectory but a really interesting vote).

if there's scum on blake it's probably either fireass or GEmmy

but if i'm right on e.g. a MLB/DrD/Blake scumteam then they're... doing nothing atm and maybe hoping town will go stupid and lynch each other? idk just having a cursory glance at this votecount i think there's either something mechanically wrong (scum fakeclaiming) or my reads are fucked

what do you think?

what thing/things turned blake from a TR/TL to nullscum/SL for you? also, whats vanity voting?

personally i dont really like the blake/fireass thing and ddl/ico is t/s imo.

[emps]

ddl/ico can be t/t but its never s/s

[emps]

AtE is miserable and i hate it.

Intent to hammer in 8ish hours

also duck, what is vanity voting?

[emps]

yes hi hello how did you know i was online

[emps]

oh ok, mind claiming?

[emps]

and who you were on last night?

[emps]

k bob/fireass cant be the scumteam because i think ddl/mlb is t/s or s/s and personally i think DDL is the scummier one between the two.

[emps]

im going to have a "spirit vote" on DDL till everyone checks in.

[emps]

also, wait, how does bob JKing me townclear me?

[emps]

so ima do a quick rundown of the p list

[emps]

Garmr (town due to interactions with Blake)
emps (town due to Fireass)
osuka (dead town)
bob3141 (claimed/outed JK, on me N1)
the worst (UTR)
Blake Belladonna (Flipped scum)
Skygazer (Flipped town)

Iconeum
Fire Assassin
Gamma Emerald
Mislynch Bait (t/s or s/s with DDL)
DrDolittle (t/s or s/s with MLB)

[emps]

oh woops i put fireass in the unsorted/not conftown section

[emps]

so basically

garmr - town due to blake
emps/fireass/bob - conftown
duck - utr

gamma
ico
ddl/mlb (t/s or s/s)

[emps]

utr = universal townread

[emps]

oh ive been using utr as universal townread this whole time

[emps]

idk i think claims from MLB, DDL, Ico, GE are a good idea but idk about you/garmr massclaiming

[emps]

oh yeah if anyone has a guilty/inno on one of MLB/DDL i think they should claim it now

[emps]

idk thinking about a fireass/bob/blake scumteam hurts my head

[emps]

also i think fireass should out his night action & result, and so should bob.

[emps]

idk thinking about a fireass/bob/blake scumteam hurts my head

that is probably not the scumteam

yeah and therefore bob and fireass are conftown because duhhhh

[emps]

Pretty sure game is lock

same

[emps]

oh you checked skyg with both rolecop & track?

[emps]

MLB/Ico/Gamma/DDL should be claiming first anyways. Garmr already claimed, emps should hold out till the end also. Though I kind of already think emps has hinted at VT.

wait where did i hint at VT?

[emps]

btw before we hammer we should have bob pre-empitevly claim his night-action so if he dies they become cleared

[emps]

well only if the person we hammer flips scum. if not, then bob can do whatever the fuck he wants to

[emps]

uh yes they do but only if scum dies today

what i said is :

bob claims JK that he will do if the person lynched today flips scum
if they flip town bob can do whatever the fuck they want to

[emps]

also, wait, how does bob JKing me townclear me?

1) No kill on N1
2) Blake claimed a doc on you. That tells me scum tried to kill you.

i think this is how he got to me being town but idk wouldnt the fact that

> I get JKed
> No kill

be like hella sus

[emps]

although the blake claiming doc on me is fair point

[emps]

I... havent even claimed yet?

[emps]

aw man a ton of vt claims if only we had someone who could sort vt claims

[emps]

Im an even night neap. MLB is a VT.

[emps]

10/10 misrep there ddl.

[emps]

Always a possibility the scums are just in the vt claims tbh

yeah this reads like "oh wait i think all the scum are in the VT claims tbh"

[emps]

bob is like conftown cuz bob/fireass/blake is never a scumteam so idk why garmr is voting him

[emps]

I think ur scum with one of the pr claims

[emps]

well if there's only 1 scum in PR claims it has to be fireass so i guess you nailed your team?

even night neop - probably town
tracker rolecop
doc - you
backup - town

can you see this being the set of town power role?!

wow 10/10 i should completely discount scum!gamma because... reasons?

[emps]

i assume hes talking about "how does it have to be fire from emps pov"

speaking of which, how does it have to be fire from my pov?

[emps]

alao wow insulting people what a great way to convince people and get them to listen

[emps]

Bob- conftiwn jk
fireass - tracker rolecop combo
ddl - scum
Mlb - contown vt
Duck - probtown vt
emps - even night neap
gamma - town doc
ico - vt
Garmr - vt

[emps]

gamma/ico

[emps]

I think fireass can just rolecopp gamma cuz i doubt theres maf doc w/o a gs

[emps]

rolecop gamma
:
if fireass fakes guilty, lynch him next
if fireass gets real guilty, gg ez
if fireass fakes inno, lynch ico then him
if fireass gets real inno, lynch ico gg

[emps]

hey ddl have you heard of distancing?

[emps]

that 1v1 felt needlessly dragged on and way more attention was given to it than neccesary

[emps]

hey DDL is at L-2 rn right?

[emps]

Wait what you think ddl is town worstie?

[emps]

K then VOTE: ddl

[emps]

what abou icos play is more scummy than ddl?

[emps]

;.

[emps]

btw ico, from my experience, gets MLed or close p often

1941 - ico was mislynched
1944 - ico was nearly mislynched but then carl hard carried

[emps]

wait rolecop doesnt pick up alignment?

[emps]

so basically

garmr - town due to blake
emps/fireass/bob - conftown
duck - utr

gamma
ico

ddl/mlb (t/s or s/s

)

It's literally impossible to put them as s/s with that neap claim...

Emps?

you see, i wasnt exactly expecting to claim today.

[emps]

but i was asking for guilties or innos on either of them hoping that someone would fake a guilty on mlb

[emps]

nice hammer garmr

[emps]

ive seen scum fake not knowing it was l-1 and then hammer

matterof fact thats how iwas mislynched in newbie 1944

[emps]

also bob why didntyou state L-1?

[emps]

dude tommorow wont be a thing

garmr just lolhammered

[emps]

hi hello people

fun fact, town is stronger than u think

im actually a novice neapolitan, i doubted i would be JKed, and id never be RBed by scum if i claimed even night neap. i checked garmr last night, he is vt.

[emps]

hi hello people

fun fact, town is stronger than u think

im actually a novice neapolitan, i doubted i would be JKed by bob, and id never be RBed by scum if i claimed even night neap. i checked garmr last night, he is vt.

EBWOP

[emps]

so tw/ico is like always at least t/s soooooo

VOTE: ico

[emps]

ehhh it was kinda paranoia from the whole lolhammer and then say L-1 cuz scum did that to me before...

[emps]

yes im serious im really stupid ok

[emps]

uh im a novice neapolitan, meaning i cant do jack shit till n2

[emps]

VOTE: dr do little
L-1

Im going to sit back and think about the power role claims. They should sort themselves. Also Fire>emp when it comes to townieness.

basically this post...

he hammered while also stating l-1 and scum did that to me before and i was kinda paranoid tbh...

[emps]

why him over iconeum?

I honestly dont have a good answer... i probs shouldve thought my neap through better tbh

[emps]

also there could be a scum rb. we have p strong town tbh. i do think that for a 12p, 2 protective are reasonable so Bob and gamma could both be town, but I think bobis always town here

[emps]

because I doubt 12p is likely to go to odds with just 1 doc and I doubt it would be approved

[emps]

wait if Bob is always town thats autowin

[emps]

hmm

[emps]

yeath we have

mlb, garmr, bob all conftown
me a neap

also, does rolecop pick up amount of shots?

[emps]

Oh yeah btw can we all ask for fast night ty

[emps]

shouldnt it also be a lynch between tw/ico?

gamma/bob is t/s or t/t but tw/ico is t/s or s/s

[emps]

whats the diff between "smells town" and a townread?

[emps]

like how do i "smell town" but also have high scum equity?

[emps]

by the way i claimed, you do mean the whole claiming even night neap while being a novice neap?

[emps]

so if emps is town, garmr is prob just scummy town.

but if emps is scum then garmr has to be his partner.


If gamma is scum, emps is most likely town. Leaving only worst and ico. And scum has to kill both me and emps. Or its auto.

If gamma is town, then emps must be scum. And thus garmr his partner

uh its the other way around, if either of mlb or garmr are scum, i have to be scum.

[emps]

wait no theres def scum in the friendblocc this makes me feel sad

[emps]

fmpov at least one of gamma/bob is telling the truth, and i have 2 neap clears, so ico/tw is t/s or s/s
from duckies pov at least one of bob or gamma is telling the truth, so either ico is scum, or im fakeclaiming scum
from icos pov, at least one of bob or gamma is telling the truth, so either duck is scum, or im fakeclaiming scum

this is so sad

[emps]

oh yeah right i forgot to bring this up but

[emps]

hm rereading this game is already fruitful

i thought this was like a fruit vendor thingy breadcrumb or smth

[emps]

i would prefer an ico lynch today thanks

[emps]

i can compromise on gamma tho

not lynching bob or my 2 clears cuz duh

[emps]

it could be tw/ico

gamma/tw is unlikely imo

so uh i wanna lynch ico

[emps]

hey waiy wasnt that a hammer mlb?

[emps]

emps my friend get in here and clear me

done

[emps]

Bob is town here

you think 2 goon 1 3 shot jk is balanced with this or list?

[emps]

pr list not or list

[emps]

Surprised im alive. I thought by gambit would of got me NK. Thought it best to pretend to have not used my last shot n3. In order to one hopefully draw the night kill onto me eliminating teh distraction I have caused to some players. After all you cant mislynch me if scum killed me during the night.

But at least it helped keep the town pr in emps/gamma safe. As the one that i scum wouldn't know who i would jail. So it garantes if emps is town he can clear worst. And gamma cant get rid of him. Putting us square in auto.

N3 i actually jailed garmr because of his lol hammer.

Ok it's confirmed emp or bob is the last scum

the fuck

[emps]

conftown people please do smart boi things VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[emps]

conftown people please do smart boi things VOTE: Gamma Emerald

how is voting gamma here the smart thing?

i dunno does

2 goons 1 JK (assuming hes lying abt number of shots and has infinite)

1 unibackup
1 rolecop tracker combo
1 doc
1 novice neap

sound balanced to you?

[emps]

is that balanced? i have no real sense of balance tbh

[emps]

who the fuck gave the duck wine

[emps]

idk this setup just feels very fucked up now that i think about it

[emps]

ehhh if the setup really is 2 goon 1 jk 1 uni backup 1 novice neap 1 doc 1 tracker rolecop combo im going to be very confused

idk im not good at setup spec tho

[emps]

i mean idk i dont get why scum bob would jk me tbh

like did i read like pr during d1? i like to think not

[emps]

wait does rolecop catch onto modifiers like informed or compulsive or smth? if hes informed he mightve known there was some sort of tracker maybe?

[emps]

hey we could lynch emps then if the game continues have gamma/bob target you/me, garmr

but... bob is out of jk shots?

[emps]

time to check the wiki

[emps]

i dont see modifiers mentioned anywhere on the rolecop page but it does catch onto the amount of shots the player started with so im assuming that rolecop also finds out ur modifiers?

[emps]

are we allowed to ask the mod?

[emps]

eh probably

@mod does rolecop find out modifiers? eg : would Town Loud Doctor return as Doctor or Loud Doctor or smth?

[emps]

Now fire was bound to track one of them. And find there role

Emps woudl want to kill fire because he would either show he was lying or confirm gamma as scum. Thus singling him out as the scum that could be claimign PR

Gamma would kill since if he is mafia he cant be doc. Even if it could be role that could be town or scum. No town pr would false claim a doc pr. Only scum benifit

Thus they both have motive.

wait have you never heard of maf doc? its like godfather but for gs checks

[emps]

I also think they can protecc their scumbuddies from vigs? not sure tho

[emps]

emps your associatives with both flipped scum stink. I think we should flip you before endgame. thoughts?

my thoughts are

lets not

[emps]

also how are my associatives with ico rly bad?

[emps]

"Hey i wanna lynch you do you agree or disagree with you getting lynched"

do you think id say yes? smh

[emps]

I think your timeline is weird

You mean fire last post were he outright said he would visit you that night he died.

With him being rolecop so that your real role would be revealed. After the mass claim that day.

Since you cant possibly be mafia doc as we have seen no vig/claim.


So what ever role you have would be revealed. With fire catching you in lie.

So you night killed him. Knowing you could hope for my mislynch by claiming to have protected him.

Where as if emps was scum it would have simply been easier for him to NK you.

he can be maf doc tho without a vig or gs...

there have been games with stuff like cop enabler and no cop...

[emps]

When you protected fire did you think emps was scum. As I can only believe that's why you would have targeted fire over emps.

As if you believe emps why wouldn't you protect the role that can actually find goons. Unlike fire who could only say they aren't a pr

And if failing to find scum out of fire and emps he was the only one who could make true clears


MLB dies a play that wanted you next the next night. As before he lynched ico he wanted you

uh i think most of us assumed there were no more goons tbh

[emps]

ur assuming that if i am scum, im always scum neap gamma...

[emps]

ur assuming that if i am scum, im always scum neap gamma...

Oh ho is that emp admitting his scum but not a neap.

no im not? how was i supposed to word that better? I think its pretty obvious scum doesn't claim their exact role all the time...

[emps]

intent to lolhammer

oh no

[emps]

i dont really know how to defend myself here tbh

[emps]

like I feel like u two just sheeeped gamma and i dont see much like reasoning behind it

how do i defend myself here

[emps]

actually I see some progression from duck but how do i defend myself from shitty associations

[emps]

nty im probs going down in lylo against gamma and i think gammas last scum so

[emps]

hopefully you guys reconsider in lylo at least

[emps]

wait what

[emps]

wait what

You convinced me you were town.

wait what

[emps]

Also While gamma is really townie forums wise in the set up his the odd one out.

does this mean he has a meta of like being tred or you just tr him independetly of like the setup

[emps]

hi schadd

[emps]

there wasnt a hammer

dont lock thread

[emps]

or is it unlocked because we won

[emps]

vc but for mod

Gamma (3) : bob, emps, Garmr (in that order)
emps (1) : Gamma

[emps]

idk i think claims from MLB, DDL, Ico, GE are a good idea but idk about you/garmr massclaiming

Looking back through his iso this makes allot of sense. After all a player planning to fake claim neap would very much want as many players to mass claim before hsi claim to make it safer. As he could claim to have visited me or fire n2. As why would he visit someone he claims to think is confirmed town.

uhhh tw originally brought up the massclaim and i was disagreeing with him/garmr claiming...

[emps]

gut tells me to vote emps

bad gut

[emps]

VOTE: bob

[emps]

Im think that emps is an escort as that would explain gamma failing to protect fire. I suppose it was emps who had fire killed. As he probably couldn't let gamma be confirmed as town doc nor risk himself being found to be lying about his role. Rather than me thinking gamma didn't want to be caught out in a lie.

Makes a lot of sense as scum roleblock would be quite effective against town jailkeeper and doc once they were outed. As I would have been prevented from jailing ico without knowing it. Or being able to roleblock the doc casting suspicion should the town jailkeeper claim. Preventing follow the role cop/tracker.

smh did you forget your own jk?you claimed you jked no one n3 but later said that was a gambit and u jked gamma on the night they tried to protect fireass

[emps]

Im think that emps is an escort as that would explain gamma failing to protect fire. I suppose it was emps who had fire killed. As he probably couldn't let gamma be confirmed as town doc nor risk himself being found to be lying about his role. Rather than me thinking gamma didn't want to be caught out in a lie.

Makes a lot of sense as scum roleblock would be quite effective against town jailkeeper and doc once they were outed. As I would have been prevented from jailing ico without knowing it. Or being able to roleblock the doc casting suspicion should the town jailkeeper claim. Preventing follow the role cop/tracker.

smh did you forget your own jk?you claimed you jked no one n3 but later said that was a gambit and u jked gamma on the night they tried to protect fireass

[emps]

tw do you really think town!bob just forgets who he jked?

[emps]

the sacrifice should be bob imo

[emps]

but like dont burn him alive or smth just lynch him that should work too

[emps]

wow rude making ghe dead thread(and probably also bob and i) slowly die inside

[emps]

hey you should repay the rudeness by lynching the scum (aka bob)

[emps]

I worked out who the last scum is, I'm just gonna keep waiting a while to make the dead thread sweat

speaking of rude

[emps]

YYYYESSSSS I WAS TOWN IM SO SHIT AT THIS GAME BUT I WSAS TOWN

[emps]

god im so bad lol i was pushing every single mislynch this game...

[emps]

yes we did win for reals

[emps]

speaking of blackmailing people with unfriending them i may or may not have done that to u in my notes PT

[emps]

how do u read people

i pushed every single mislynch this game

like why am i this bad

[emps]

tbh same

[emps]

i really regret not letting you guys just lynch ico...

[emps]

also wait what where did i soft novice

[emps]

did i do good

probably not

all this talk about properly scumhunting but not being able to get ur lynch

i got my lynch a lot of the time
but i just cant scumhunt

[emps]

also i kinda skimmed the dead thread but thats it

like the walls about whats balanced and whats not was boring to read tbh

[emps]

i thought my early game was pretty obvtown

what made u think my late game was obvtown tho garmr?

tbf you cant really read urself lol

[emps]

tbf you cant really read urself lol

this wasnt directed at garmr, just in general tbh

[emps]

so basically bob didnt lose because he was bad at scum, or i was good at town, but because he is too good at town?

[emps]

I had great fun this game
one of the must fun scumgames i've had on this site

thanks to bob and Ank to make that happen

kudos to emps for partly faking the neap claim that really did influence our play (and thanks for being our 4th for a while)

Always fun to play a game modded by schadd

hey wait a minute by bejng a 4th for a while do you mean scumbuddy?

was i an honorary scumbuddy for a while?

god how badly did i play

[emps]

also can we like not argue post game and stuff

also wow ico you told them to jk me because i did that one good pr play in 1942?

[emps]

slightly dissapointed ico had no reaction gif when he found out i was actually novice neap tho

[emps]

i get like being somewhat emotional/kinda toxic during games but like its post game dude

[emps]

ty