Mini Normal 2102: Mafia à la Mode! (Game Complete)

[Pretentious]

Hilarious.

I might sig that post game. I think it’s hilarious to sig my own quote on an account called Pretentious.

[Pretentious]

Oh did he unvote me.

Hmm.

I don’t think Mizzy’s scum anymore tbh. I cooled off a bit from it, and did what I do best. Reevaluate.

UNVOTE: Mizzy

[Pretentious]

Like I said, DDL/Salad have a scum in them.

And like, a common tactic scum use when pushing me is to go completely brain dead surface level stubborn, but ddl’s really good at that if he’s scum right now.

[Pretentious]

I've not contributed at all.

Can say that again

[Pretentious]

@Mizzy - can you unvote and pseudo have it there. I feel like if I disappear I’m gonna be Quick lynched.

I’m too big a threat for scum to keep alive, but if they are forced to night kill me, they already lose.

[Pretentious]

Just ignore all of DDL’s posts. They’re nothing of note anyways.

[Pretentious]

Is BEF scum...?

[Pretentious]

I’m too big a threat for scum to keep alive, but if they are forced to night kill me, they already lose.

town does not post this

nor anything that pret says on this page

Lol

Anyone who knows me wanna take a swing on this

[Pretentious]

VOTE: DDL

I think he actually has a lot of scum equity, especially when you go back to look at his need of approval from Skitts.

[Pretentious]

ddl might be scum
i'm not sure i vibe the mortality wagon really

@rce why is bob town?

VOTE: vex

I not scum skitter

This isnt particularly helpful or reassuring

Oh wait you guys have off-site meta together right?

? I dont have offsite meta with anyone in this game

Bob made an rvs post when there was already things to enagage with in-thread.

What makes bob's rvs post different from ben's rvs post which came even later than bob's post?

Ben comes from a different site meta, i'm not sure that tell holds for that site meta

I saw this and confused Bob with Ben. Also assumed you had meta with him on another site when you mentioned his tells are from a different site.

I meant that ben has a 2007 join date iirc, and i'm not sure that tell applies to people who arent from like the current generation of players

VOTE: ddl

how can i be helpful and reassuring

why are you trying to get me to townread you ?

scum skitter might be trying to set me up for a counterwagon vs morality

@ddl: this is not a townie progression

why dont you vibe with morality lynch today?

idk

i don't like the wagon rn
i don't like the way fl responded to the wagon
the whole thing feels kinda icky

regardless of scum or town ive never seen fl shut up tbh so this is a new one

I actually think this is town indicative of DDL.

Not by meta, but he’s had this “I’m not sure which way to read this” kind of mindset that seems genuine.

strongly disagree on town!ddl rn

So all of this happened, and then I started pressuring Skitter and I distracted Skitter from DDL.

DDL was also one of the main wagons yesterday, but was never the main one. Tris wagon likely started from DDL and buddies thinking that DDL was gonna go down instead of me, because I didn’t even have my vote on DDL, and DDL had it on me.

[Pretentious]

Skitter also like...knew DDL was scum. And DDL spent a lot of the day talking to Skitter trying to change that read, but he didn’t care to do it to anyone else?

[Pretentious]

@A50/RCE - Can you explain to Mizzy why it’s unnecessary to claim the modifiers Day 1 like that.

Say I was a Weak Jailkeeper, i don’t want scum to know that I am Weak or else they can kill me off, and possibly get a fake guilty on someone else.

[Pretentious]

how can i be helpful and reassuring

why are you trying to get me to townread you ?

scum skitter might be trying to set me up for a counterwagon vs morality

@ddl: this is not a townie progression

This is actually the most damning one.

Actually, this is why Skitter died and why DDL is tunneling me.

[Pretentious]

I’m too big a threat for scum to keep alive, but if they are forced to night kill me, they already lose.

town does not post this

nor anything that pret says on this page

Skitter’s post makes this funny too because DDL is using Skitter’s scum case on him against me.

[Pretentious]

I could vote ddl, skimmed his ISO and there isn't much content there, and I agree he reacts badly to you. Only player I could buy him actually trying to sort is BEF because I know they wanted to play together and could feasibly not need much interaction to read each other, but even there the posts are so low content it'd be easy to fake. I also don't like his progression on Morality:
- sheep RCE on an unexplained post when RCE has given a better explaination elsewhere
- unvote for meta reasons he expresses cynicism about
- throws out me as his only other possible scum read based on an RVS tone read but doesn't vote me or push me, despite me already having another vote
- questions Morality taking a way too serious stance on Morality's claims being at all based in reality IMO and then uses that to go back to voting Morality.
It feels like he wants to vote Morality whatever and is trying to look like he's doing other stuff.

I'd prefer a lynch on someone scummy whose posts have a bit more meat to them because there is more insight to be gained on flip, but if you aren't gonna join me on

vex

korina then for the sake of a competing wagon to Morality on someone I'd be ok lynching I'll do it.

VOTE: DrDolittle

(initially I wasn't going to, but after writing out my take on his Morality progression I talked myself into it)

Good case. I was letting DDL slip by me yesterday, I guess

[Pretentious]

pret how mnay votes did you have on you when you claimed that you were jk

I’m not sure. I think I was L-3.

I was about to straight up quit at the time, tbh

[Pretentious]

I was L-4.

I claimed Page 6.

DDL has been coasting off of tunneling me since before then.

[Pretentious]

I want more out of the day, and while I don't think a quick lynch was likely I'm just going back to where I was before stuff got spicy (pseudovote at L-3).

My ass isn't off that wagon unless I get an explanation like I've aksed for. And if I get what I want the main jist of my scum read is dead in the water, so it'd be stupid not to rethink stuff.

We've got 10 days, and if it just becomes obvious pret is the lynch no matter what we don't want to use all of that, equally we don't want to use less than 1.

You’re gonna get it if RCE or A50 isn’t scum.

[Pretentious]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80499

Here’s a scum game I just won. I’m Rick fucking Dalton.

I fake claimed a bit all over here too. Idk the relevancy of it, I just want you to see a recent scum game of mine.

[Pretentious]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80685

Recent town game of mine, I’m Flavor Leaf.

I also claimed early Day 1 here. I actually think there a lot of similarities in that game as there are here.

[Pretentious]

Pret just a quick question when would you say adding addittional modifiers moves into teh region of self limiting. Trying to figure out if your self limiting or beign truthful about only so mnay shots

I don’t have any other modifiers. Just 2-shot.

[Pretentious]

I was just making an example with the modifier talk. I see why it can be seen as me crumbing weak, but I’m not.

[Pretentious]

A reason me claiming 2 shot immediately makes it like “oh, he’s limited, just outguess, potentially strongman one of the nights then they aren’t essentially VT.”

On the flip side, claiming 1 shot or 2 shot when you are actually ungated or 3+/odd night/even

Can be a solid gambit to catch out unexpected scum too.

Like I said, I’m 2-shot, I’m being sincere. I am throwing out my ability to have wiggle room here even though I’d rather not.

[Pretentious]

Pret what does tracker and doc flip make you think about the all the roles in the game.

Tracker is incredibly weakened considering it’s likely we have a lot of targeting options. It gives scum room to fake claim, and it’s more likely to out other PR’s than catch a scum. I don’t really think there is a ninja, which isn’t really important to us now that the tracker’s gone, unless there’s a watcher.

Recently, i finished a game, and scum had 2 identical JOATS. Ninja, Doctor, Tracker were their shots.

So that’s possible, even though I don’t think that’s the case.

[Pretentious]

Mastina and BnL reviewed this game, so I imagine it’s a slightly townsided game, even though it’s probably gonna come across as a scum sided game based on us losing 2 PR’s, and then scum pull off the win and go “it was incredibly townsided wtf”

if that makes sense.

Which will cause Mastina come in to defend why she doesn’t think that’s the case and that it is relatively balanced.

I don’t really know Plum super well or anything, but they seem like they have the clout and mind to create a solid unique game.

Based on the what I’ve seen thus far, I can tell they’re pretty old school classic mafia feel with some stylish decorations to make it feel mechanically unique, which is another reason I like the idea of a strongman being in this game.

It’s very “Thrill on a No Kill” which allows for awesome day play, even if it forces us to think it’s a night play game when Night play is pretty irrelevant. It’s just things that happen.

It’s another reason I don’t think there’s a vigilante this game. It would imbalance the kills per night, and scum already have to deal with a lot of no kills.

The thing is, scum can have one no kill go through as it is, and still end the game in the same amount of days, so it’s not damning at all to have all these protectives.

Them having a strongman kill to ensure a kill goes through when they want to.

Alternatively, they don’t have a strongman, and they’re pissed about all of these protectives roles, but in that case, they probably have a Roleblocker or something, which also synergizes well against a townJK/doc combo.

[Pretentious]

Alternatively, I could believe town has a Roleblocker on top of the JK/Doc because of the full tracker gets results messed with, and the combination of those 4 roles can be beneficial if town work together, and detrimental if they’re in chaos.

Scum could have an Ascetic to mess with JK/Doc/RB/tracker results.

Jk
Doc
Tracker
Rb’er
Babysitter/rolestopper
Maybe one more?

Ascetic/Strongman/Roleblocker - i don’t expect all of these, and they could have something else, like a rolestopper.
One goon.

Whatever the call is, the roles essentially play as the same

[Pretentious]

It just matters if you’re playing as a Cleric or a Paladin kinda thing.

[Pretentious]

As much as people like to think I’m mainly a fan of crazy roles and whatnot, I actually much prefer held back Normal games, my skill set as a mod just shines brighter making an atmosphere of a game rather than the great solid mechanical play, but I’m rather strong as a player in the settings that are more akin to face to face Mafia.

It makes me really good at playing games like Resistance/Secret Hitler when I’m town.

(I’m modding a game on Morality that needs a couple more slots to fill beforeI can start, if anyone wants to join)

[Pretentious]

lol im certainly getting teh feeling this game is murky.

I think it’s murky, yet straightforward, if that makes sense.

The PR’s seem like they’re pretty OG. Can tell this is made from a 2008 player in 2019. Plum’s did well.

[Pretentious]

ive just looked at the start of thread. And it says mafia doesnt have day talk by default

Hmm. They could have an Encryptor then.

[Pretentious]

does that mean scum could have encryptor or that it simply says they dont have day talk

It means if they don’t have an encryptor they can’t talk to each other during the day.

[Pretentious]

in the guise of them saying if pret doesnt die we shoudl lynch him tommorrow

Do you remember where this was said?

I believe something like this could have appeared to happen for sure, i just don’t know if going down the rabbit hole of scum don’t have day talk is good to get locked into in case there’s an encryptor

[Pretentious]

Bob
Mizzy

Luv
A50

Rcenigma
Skellen
Saladman
BrightEyedFish

Ben
DDL

Is where I’m at, I think. Luv’s had some posts that I’ve tried to look at coming from a scummy agenda, but i just don’t understand why he says some of the things he does, and i feel like i normally can tell when he’s scum since I’ve seen scum him a lot. He lurks and does nothing as both, but he does even less as scum in his doing nothing, if that makes sense, and he’s had a couple memorable posts this game.

[Pretentious]

Don’t get mad because your style doesn’t get as much results as mine.

I’ve given analysis on every single slot.

Just cause you don’t like the tone doesn’t mean the stuff ain’t there

[Pretentious]

I’ve literally done nothing bad this game post page 6.

If you can truly be stuck on things that happened pre page 6, then that says a lot more about your play than mine.

[Pretentious]

Like, Idk why people are stuck on stuff that happened pre page 6.

Take everything from those few pages out of the game, and explain anybody’s cases on me that doesn’t revolve around pre page 6 stuff.

Anybody

Because DDL’s main thing is that I was lying?
Alright, dude, it’s a deduction game.

Now, that’s it, right? I’m like known for doing that and catching scum from it.

Now eliminate anything from pre page 6, DDL.

You’re literally just tunneled because you didn’t like the play.

You need to reevaluate if you’re town, because that’s on you at this point, not me. I’ve put the work into fixing it, and I went sincere with it, something I generally don’t even do when I am town normally, so you should consider yourself blessed

[Pretentious]

1 more slot for my Death Note game, anyone? Looks like everyone’s tired out from reading me.

Take out the first 6 pages of this game and read me, guys, much easier.

[Pretentious]

Also, imma just comment on the post you asked why I didn’t comment on it, and I just generally disagree with the entire statement. I don’t see it as negative or that I’ve had a low value/impact on this game. I believe the majority of discussion of this game is somehow connected through me.

[Pretentious]

SCUMREAD

Pretentious

UNSURE

Lil Uzi Vert
Almost50
Skellen
DrDoolittle

TOWNREAD

BrightEyedFish
Saladman27
bob3141
RCEnigma
Mizzytastic


Sticking to my guns. VOTE: Pret

I could lynch this chainsawer.

[Pretentious]

Hmm, is BEF trying to save DDL, actually?

[Pretentious]

It was just an out loud thought. I didn’t know he’s been reading DDL as town.

What if it’s a correct read coming from scum, though? Or a wrong read on scum. Hmm

[Pretentious]

I’m null on you because we haven’t had time to interact directly really.

Luv went town because I distinctively remember a couple of his posts, and scum him, even when I was his scum partner, i don’t remember any of his posts.

I don’t really know why I was off of DDL, I just had stronger reads at the time, and i was paranoid of skitter deep wolfing, and he was conversing with Skitter a lot, and Skitter was saying he wasn’t town motivated, so it felt like Skitter was dancing around the two biggest wagons of myself and DDL. Things changed when Skitter became confirmed in death

[Pretentious]

Pret, I think my issue with you post page 6 is your horrible consistent Ate to try to get out of lynch, rather than explain why you thought X was a good idea. In fact, you never explained why you decided to claim BP because that explanation involving JK makes 0 sense. I'm frustrated because if anybody else on site pulls what you do its an instant lynch, but you're charismatic enough to wiggle out of it

Eh, i semi did, and really, I just didn’t think about it too much tbh. I was like jailkeeper? That’s a protective thing let me claim BP.

The miller thing tagged on was supposed to imply that it was obviously me fucking around, but I was trying to have the BP WIFOM the scum.

I always try to WIFOM scum like that.

No real other reasons.

You should see me in real life. It’s the exact same way, except I get lynched slightly more often, but the charismatic thing still goes.

[Pretentious]

FYI if you know him you know it's a good idea. He talked his way out of a cop guilty

Lol, i totally did, that’s awesome.

I also once had a Miller confirmed by rolecop lynched in 3p lylo.

[Pretentious]

DDL, it just takes me a little bit of time before I can go, “yeah, that was bad. That’s on me” and admit I was wrong in the moment.

So I try to convince that my play isn’t bad town, and that it’s good town, but it’s actually neutral town because it goes from bad town to good town because it forces me to play the game more to prove my innocence, then it goes back to neutral.

[Pretentious]

Can we lynch Ben yet, though?

[Pretentious]

I feel like DDL’s said everything about his thoughts on me, tbh. Recently even.

FOS: Salad

[Pretentious]

Actually

VOTE: Salad

DDL’s been kinda townie the past couple pages.

I would like people to comment on Ben. I feel he’s scum coasting.

[Pretentious]

Nah, you love me

[Pretentious]

Ben, A50, Skitter team likely.

A quick question. Why was your first response when skitter lolhammered that they were a scum team. Tris hadnt fliped yet nor claimed her role post hammer.


If you believed so weakly that tris was scum that a single vote from another player would result in you removing her from you belive scum team. Its not liek you hadnt been pushign a tris lynch for soem time.

I remember all teh times you were saying that tris was doing her scum game.

If skitter was scum, then I caught her, if skitter was town, she got a potential reason to be nightkilled.


RCE probably knew I was going to jailkeep him, not Skitter, so it was a safe kill.

The fact RCE didn’t even comment on the majority of my analysis today is why he’s likely scum.

Ben, RCEnigma, Salad, replace one with DDL/Skellen/A50 is a solve.

If I’m wrong on one of the main three, it’s likely salad.

[Pretentious]

RCE waited until all my analysis was past and I was more inactive for a bit to go after me after my wagon started dying down.

Also, the fact he brought up the “all day 1 were town wagon why?” comment makes me feel like they actually were all town wagons, and scum were just sitting pretty across the board for nice VCA.

[Pretentious]

It didn’t make sense for scum to go after me Day 1 like that, going elsewhere they were able to get potential claims/flips.

They probably were trying to get DDL to claim.

[Pretentious]

VOTE: RCEnigma

[Pretentious]

He also gave himself an out and reason to completely change his reads for after I flip with the “the whole game is flipped when he flips town”

And if you think BEF is scum, push BEF.

[Pretentious]

The last case RCE gave us more a case for BEF than it is me. It was a weak reasoning to move over, and uses Skitter’s name to push themselves some potential momentum.

[Pretentious]

Skellen, vote RCEnigma with me.

[Pretentious]

Skellen, i don’t do half ass pushes as scum.

You’ve played with scum me. I do everything completely thought out and meticulous.

This is not that.

UNVOTE: RCEnigma

I have no clue who’s scum or not at this point, BUT IM NOT SCUM.

And I have one jailkeeper action left.

[Pretentious]

I don’t do well with solving games when under constant pressure.

Check out Detective Penguin for your proof.

[Pretentious]

I’m not wrong on Ben being scum and the fact that nearly everyone in this game is just allowing him to coast this hard is ridiculous, if you ask me.

Put pressure on him and watch what likely happens

[Pretentious]

What do you mean explain why I jailed RCE?

I really don’t feel the need to have to explain my RCE target.

If he’s town, he was the most likely death to frame me. I have explained this when I explained my skitter push

[Pretentious]

So you think he jailed you in attempt to block scum!you from killing/doingwhatever?

I think he's fishing. That's the only thing that makes sense.

This is complete shit.

No matter your alignment, you should straight up KNOW that I was going to target you.

[Pretentious]

ScumRCE never makes that kill, Ive already said this

[Pretentious]

A50, I was calling you scum majority of the end of day yesterday, what are you talking about

EXACTLY! Now what changed your stance overnight? Why am I not pinging you anymore? You're no investigative, so that can't be it, and you jailed RCE do that can't be it either. (I think I pinpointed what was making me feel off about your "tone", which turns out to be not exactly your tone)

I already talked about this.

Are you just upset I can hard hyper analyze you?

Anyone who knew me well enough here, which isn’t many, knew I was going to either target Skitter or RCEnigma.

How I was talking end of the day, anyone who knew me, knows I was talking up ScumSkitter because I was trying to draw a Night kill away from her way, so I protected elsewhere.

Skitter night kill meant scum didnt think about what I was doing, which isn’t like you at all.

[Pretentious]

ScumMe kills RCEnigma in that scenario 100% of the time.

A no kill would have confirmed RCE as town, because ScumRCE never would have made the kill there. Bar strongman, I guess. And it also confirms scum isn’t in the people who know me well because they would know to target RCE not Skitter.

The fact that he’s acting like he can’t comprehend why I would target him is ridiculous. He was literally the only choice.

[Pretentious]

And if you seriously think scum ever kill me over RCE and Skitter in that scenario, that’s a completely surface level read, like come on.

The fact I had a quick wagon on me day start PROVES exactly why I wasnt night killed

[Pretentious]

I’m bout to get toxic.

[Pretentious]

Why start a new wagon on Tris when you already have the DDL wagon and Town!Skitter as the driving force behind it?

Because then today DDL-Pret face off can happen

[Pretentious]

You know what, my RCEnigma-Ben solve is correct.

Idc what y’all say. I’m right

[Pretentious]

You guys are just getting played.

RCEnigma isn’t this surface level. He’s pretending to play dumb this entire day phase, he’s actively skipping any of the important parts, and Skellen is probably helping the momentum shift.

I wouldn’t be surprised if all 3 scum are setting up to push me here because they have to because everyone else is starting to see that I’m town

[Pretentious]

Yeah I'm not reconsidering my pret vote today. Something is fishy around pret or ddl not picking up day 1. I also don't believe Pret targets me as JK there if he believes in scum. I was the loudest voice pushing against him even after the JK claim. If I'm scum and fear his claim even a little bit I'm 100% not making the kill and Pret would consider that.

His posting is fine when I'm not pressing but when actual pressure hits I think he's flailing because his charisma isn't pulling him out of this hole. There just aren't enough places to point to.

I also don't believe Pret targets me as JK there if he believes in scum. I was the loudest voice pushing against him even after the JK claim. If I'm scum and fear his claim even a little bit I'm 100% not making the kill and Pret would consider that.

So you think he jailed you in attempt to block scum!you from killing/doingwhatever?

I just went back and checked what his reads were on you, but that's hard to figure out from his ISO. The last specific read he gave on you on D1 was #463 which sounds rather null and is far away from EoD anyway, so it isn't telling much. At the end of D1 he had scum solves that didn't had you in and he was suspecting that he might get killed according to #944 (probably more likely with a flipped Doc). So if he was aiming for scum choosing you looks indeed like a weird choice.

If he was trying to protect you there wasn't any indication either as he never strongly read you as town. Going by #1135 it seemed like he was town on you, but not confident enough to keep you till lylo around. Although I think most of that read relates to D2 stuff, so there isn't probably much to get from either.

I think Pret has yet to explain why he choose you.

So you think he jailed you in attempt to block scum!you from killing/doingwhatever?

I think he's fishing. That's the only thing that makes sense.

This is incredibly planned looking.

[Pretentious]

Mizzy only makes sense as scum if DDL is scum, and DDL has no reason to reconsider me as scum.

Mizzy/DDL are probably both town.

RCEnigma/Ben/Skellen is probably the team.

[Pretentious]

It makes sense why Skellen has been overly focused on my read of them

[Pretentious]

And you can tell from Skellen’s trajectory they are pushing my wagon, but actively staying off of it.

[Pretentious]

And if pret is town why choose skitter for the night kill over pret. Did they think pret was bluffing or that town lynch him anyway.

I’m not even top 3 kills, man.

Like, come on. Look at the quick wagon at me the beginning of the day.

Was that surprising to you at all? Why would I EVER be killed there.

They killed Skitter, who I was pushing as hard scum, and Skitter was pushing DDL as scum, and myself, the 2 main wagons coming into today.

Gotta analyze deeper

[Pretentious]

Yeah I can go for a Tris Lynch actually.

I also think DDL is scum, and Ben.

RCEnigma I wanna say is town, but I would make sure to deal with him before lylo. I feel like he should see that I’m town by now, and I feel like he could be ScumEnigma who sees that I’m becoming increasingly more obvtown, and can’t really push it as much. He has to keep it near policy levels.

So if I’m wrong on DDL/Ben, I would throw RCE into it.

I think late day 1 up to now is townier posting. But you can't be in lylo.

DDL was your semi counter before the flash on Tris and those were mostly ddl voters.

Ben can be null idk.

Well thinking about it a bit 1 reason was scum wouldn't have enough votes on their own and had to get Town to swing on something they could take advantage of.

Makes Mizzy + DDL an improbable partnership.

I like the A50 aggression. Idk the vote count but I know a lot of you bailed on Pret when some nice things were said about him. VOTE: Pret
Fwiw I think Bef has been...not hedging on the pret wagons, but he's on them until the going gets tough. I think it continues from my day 1 observation that he good on Pret with the intention of looking active on the wagon while finding a reason to hop of if things get too real.

That's just if pret flips scum though, gotta flip the game on its head if he turns out town. Hope I'm doing Skitter proud.

Votecount 1.11

Pretentious

- 4 (RCEnigma, benhalkum, Saladman27, DrDoolittle)

DrDolittle

- 4 (bob3141, skitter30, Mizzytastic, Almost50)

benhalkum

- 2 (Pretentious, BrightEyedFish)

bob3141

- 1 (Lil Uzi Vert)

BrightEyedFish

- 2 (Skellen, tris)

Not Voting

- None

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 22:00:00)

Notes

skitter30

is V/LA 10/08 through 10/09.

FL look at the team you're pushing. Then consider a hypothetical world where you, DDL, and Tris are all town. Then consider the entire team you are pushing is on your wagon (T) while DDL(T) is in hammer range while none of those three scum you propose have hard stances on DDL. They just need 1 reason to jump ship.

Skitter is easy enough to follow and even on a surface level taking her case at face value is decent enough to make that shift.

And then all on its own, the Tris wagon popped up. I feel guilty having a hand in that when I grilled Tris but I hadn't come to a conclusion by the time she was hammered.

My point is you're saying things to say them right now.

He also gave himself an out and reason to completely change his reads for after I flip with the “the whole game is flipped when he flips town”

And if you think BEF is scum, push BEF.

If you're scum then Bef is likely scum. His equity, scum or town, is directly tied to you and/or A50. Moreso you I think.

I'm not even explicitly calling bef scum but there is definitely reason to suspect that is the case on your red flip.

Yeah I'm not reconsidering my pret vote today. Something is fishy around pret or ddl not picking up day 1. I also don't believe Pret targets me as JK there if he believes in scum. I was the loudest voice pushing against him even after the JK claim. If I'm scum and fear his claim even a little bit I'm 100% not making the kill and Pret would consider that.

His posting is fine when I'm not pressing but when actual pressure hits I think he's flailing because his charisma isn't pulling him out of this hole. There just aren't enough places to point to.

These are all posts that play on the fact that DDL-Myself were likely Town-Town, and after I flip, it gives all the reason in the world to then turn on DDL, and mislynch him tomorrow, because “not all 3 of them are town”

RCEnigma even gave the “i can go for Tris” yesterday, and he was one of the ones on me.

RCEnigma state’s that most of the overlap onto Tris were from the DDL wagon, bringing up the fact that scum was likely on the DDL wagon, yet keeping him off of that list.

He also is linking myself to BEF, which allows him after my flip to completely nullify BEF, which actually is some BEF-RCE partner equity.

RCE has set himself up to come off scott free on both my wagon, and DDL’s next.

[Pretentious]

I would definitely flashwagon tris if feasible. *shrug* I guess some one has to start it.

VOTE: tris

Anyone gonna join me?

VOTE: tris

i really don't know how i feel about ddl either tbh

Is it migration season already? *Checks calendar* Yep. It's fall and my flock is flying from ddl to tris. I had better join them.

VOTE: tris

VOTE: tris

This happened 2 pages after RCEnigma said “I could go for a tris wagon”

[Pretentious]

We know Skitter was town, Mizzy started it.

A50 sheeped.

Look who that 4th vote is.

Look at that, it’s BEF

[Pretentious]

Skellen, I don’t think you’re scum anymore

[Pretentious]

looking a tris wagon the one that sticks out teh most is mizzy.

He cast teh first vote only 7 minutes after saying he was happy on the drd wagon. While in that entire post he is pushing for tris lynch. Even though he is suggesting that he doesnt want to move.

At teh same time he is pushing back against pret lynch.

Resulting him making the first vote of tris wagon. Not teh 4th or 5th but the first. Clear to me he was very eager to get to choose teh comprimise wagon

I actually think that’s a townie move by Mizzy. He started it, and unless he’s scum with RCE, it got super sheeped. Scum is on the sheep of tris. BRIGHT EYED FISH.

[Pretentious]

I also want to point out the usage of meta by RCEnigma this game when it is convenient for him to push a scum case.

But I just remembered the other 2 times that I have hard pushed RCEnigma.

One I was town in and cosolved a game with Ausuka where I almost wanted to lynch RCE in lylo.

The other time him and I were the exact same role.

Both town games of mine, one of which I had A LOT of pressure on me the entirety of the game and ended up eating a mislynch.

So he’s also picking and choosing to fit his narrative.

[Pretentious]

Ben is likely just sheeping RCE’s lead because it adds constant pressure.

RCE’s also generally completely ignoring Ben, and calling him null, yet not even really bothering to change that or even acknowledge its existence.

[Pretentious]

Talk to me talk to me talk to me babbbyyyyy

[Pretentious]

Why start a new wagon on Tris when you already have the DDL wagon and Town!Skitter as the driving force behind it?

Because then today DDL-Pret face off can happen

If you're town and ddl is town, DDL gets lynched day 1 and scum get to say you were the counterwagon. The extra steps are wasted energy.

Absolutely not wasted energy. It took you no energy at all.

[Pretentious]

Skellen, I don’t think you’re scum anymore

Why the change of heart?

I mainly only scum read skellen in the heat of the moment, then I analyzed.

[Pretentious]

I am suspecting you mostly for D1,

Why? This is the same exact thing I gave to DDL. This is actually pretty suspect.

I am incredibly obv town for my Day 1 minus page 6 and before. Take out that part, what do you got?

[Pretentious]

despite some inconsistencies

I’m the most consistent scum player on site. A weakness of my scum game is that I’m too consistent and everything lines up way too perfectly.

You got to feel this in ramblings.

[Pretentious]

How is RCEnigma town? Can anybody give reasons? I realize I’m probably bias OMGUS tunnel, but i really feel like this is scumHim.

[Pretentious]

Alt slip

[Pretentious]

You've modded scum!me. You're one of the few people that have multiple looks at my scum or 3p games. Of all the players here you should know this isn't my scum game.

This is how you retaliated in anime Upick and it got you off the hook.

And of all the people here you should know this isn’t my scum game.

This isn’t how I retaliated at ALL in Anime U-pick.

Anime U-Pick I didn’t have like any pressure on me for the most part. I controlled that game so hard, and role cop guiltied my buddy.

How is that at all similar to here?

[Pretentious]

This game is dull. Let's spice it up.

VOTE: Pretentious

Ready to end the day

Literally the mildest choice ever. It’s the flavor everyone was already used to.

[Pretentious]

I try to pocket you when I’m scum.

[Pretentious]

And I played my town meta to a T that game

[Pretentious]

And the difference between that game and this one other than different alignment, is that game I could do anything because I had support because I was scum.

I don’t have any support here because I don’t have scum partners to rely on.

You’re comparing A New Hope to The Force Awakens, and they’re just not the same. They have similarities and one follows the general same plot points, but one’s a classic, the other’s a cash grab. One is town, one was scum.

[Pretentious]

You also say that I am counterpushing you, but you’ve been pushing me since the very beginning of the game, and I only started really pushing you halfway through this day phase. I’ve been through many different variations of scum teams outside of you as well before ending up back on you. You’re effectively not playing the game besides commenting on things directly relating back to my slot in some fashion, and you’re pushing it with an almost biased mindset.

If you are town, I feel like you just want me to be scum, and not really doing anything else.

Also, you made the comment about me “should being able to read you” when literally the last game we just played together, I hard tunneled you and we were both town, so that doesn’t even line up. In Musicals, I pushed you incorrectly the entire game as well.

I feel like every game I’m town in, I push you as scum at some point, so I don’t understand that thought process by you. I don’t think you can find a single town game of mine where I don’t push you. It might be there, but I really can’t think of one.

I’m not scum here

[Pretentious]

And if you’re town, you need to see that.

Because at this point, it’s completely fair of me to think that you are scum pushing a mindless and baseless push on me here.

What are your thoughts on A50’s vote? Keep in mind, i am probably the best player at reading A50 on site, without any interferences, of course.

[Pretentious]

Looking back on it, i could see a scumAlmost50 trying not to actively push me in case I catch him, especially after how Jingle was able to just lock town me as scum, and I got warlocked.

But nothing was happening, which implies scum didn’t feel it necessary to make a move.

[Pretentious]

The fact A50 acted like it was a spicy choice to vote me implies he was trying to entice people towards it, which never happens if I am scum here.

I only get lynched here as town because I would have scum support to push other wagons harder and to relieve pressure.

[Pretentious]

The fact A50 acted like it was a spicy choice to vote me implies he was trying to entice people towards it, which never happens if I am scum here.

I only get lynched here as town because I would have scum support to push other wagons harder and to relieve pressure.

But you aren't even voting anyone. Why aren't you trying to redirect you wagon or give some others a choice. I don't think it's the best lynch but I will be obligated to join your wagon if the deadline gets too close.

I don’t really have confidence in reads right now, to be honest.

RCEnigma is scummy, but I can see him possibly being town here.

Ben wagon for some reason nobody wants to even attempt to pressure the guy.

I think DDL is town. I town read Mizzy, and I town read Bob.

So essentially, RCE, Ben, and for now I think A50 have high scum equity. I don’t think that’s ever the team here, though.

Also, I don’t really vote all the time. I feel like I’ve been incredibly transparent with where I’m at in this game, so a vote is just an unnecessary label

[Pretentious]

I don’t think wagoning Ben will do much of anything. I’ve seen older players one too many times relentlessly tunnel players from our era regardless of experience being shared or meta presented. Usually they’re town.

I’ve already made the comment about him being an old player and how a lot of ScumThem tunnel coast me.

I agree with that sentiment, but i believe Ben’s scum doing it. Like, I’m 99.99999999% sure I am correct.

[Pretentious]

Why? This is the same exact thing I gave to DDL. This is actually pretty suspect.

I am incredibly obv town for my Day 1 minus page 6 and before. Take out that part, what do you got?

If you are so obvtown why is half the game constantly suspecting you? This actually is why I am suspecting you for D1 where you did it the most. Like I admit that this might be a subjective thing, but someone who has the need to outline that often that he is town, doesn't feel town to me, like I don't give a shit, either others get it right or not. You seem way too focused on your appearance as town and to establish that in our minds.

I’m an actor; i focus on my appearance a lot

[Pretentious]

I’m the most consistent scum player on site. A weakness of my scum game is that I’m too consistent and everything lines up way too perfectly.

You got to feel this in ramblings.

I am careful with these statements of yours since the infamous "I don't bus as scum just to bus in the very same game", I think if anywhere I can see that this consistent might be what I meant with your votes/pushes where I could see a scum motivation behind it in our previous game while it feels in this game that these are more in a trial and error manner if phrasing it like that makes sense. It's actually the main reason why I think you could be town here. I actually want to check you in Ramblings just to be sure I am remembering this correctly though.

More talking about it in the sense of within each game, I just said it that way because I’m Pretentious.

Like, consistent in the fact I don’t really contradict myself, and everything lines up perfectly consistent, like in Ramblings, or OK2, people have that issue that it’s just too smooth and consistent, but because of it they don’t go me.


Also, I’m gonna be busy most of today, night drunk post.

[Pretentious]

@Skellen - you don’t find it weird that RCEnigma basically started the Tris wagon when he said “i could go tris” or the like, then 2 pages later flash wagon.

[Pretentious]

The fact A50 acted like it was a spicy choice to vote me implies he was trying to entice people towards it, which never happens if I am scum here.

I only get lynched here as town because I would have scum support to push other wagons harder and to relieve pressure.

But you aren't even voting anyone. Why aren't you trying to redirect you wagon or give some others a choice. I don't think it's the best lynch but I will be obligated to join your wagon if the deadline gets too close.

I don’t really have confidence in reads right now, to be honest.

RCEnigma is scummy, but I can see him possibly being town here.

Ben wagon for some reason nobody wants to even attempt to pressure the guy.

I think DDL is town. I town read Mizzy, and I town read Bob.

So essentially, RCE, Ben, and for now I think A50 have high scum equity. I don’t think that’s ever the team here, though.

Also, I don’t really vote all the time. I feel like I’ve been incredibly transparent with where I’m at in this game, so a vote is just an unnecessary label

Ben, A50, Salad?

How are you liking that propsed scum team?

That could be it, I guess. I don’t have anything really that says that can’t be it.

[Pretentious]

But why did that conversation happen

[Pretentious]

That’s also common for scum to lurk out at the end of the wagon to not have to discuss within it, albeit I have done that as town as well, just not showing up, but in real time, it’s indistinguishable.

[Pretentious]

I also don’t understand the “if DDL and you are both town” comments.

The tris wagon came fast, and if you believe Mizzy to be town, than it wasn’t even scum’s decision completely bar the chance of ScumRCE giving the momentum early.

I feel scum were likely just happy letting the day go with one of DDL and I, which is why nothing happened, scum are probably split up and if DDL is town too, then they still needed a claim from DDL. Scum probably felt like they trapped themselves away from each other, come to think of it. Like one was probably on DDL, one was on me, and they didn’t know how to genuinely move from that. This implies ScumBen even more, one on the DDL wagon, so when the Tris wagon started happening, it likely allowed for multiple scum to hop on naturally, and then this day phase they can continue to hide behind pushing either DDL or Myself, which was proven to already happen earlier in this day phase.

The way the wagons happened actually makes it more likely that it was all town “leading wagons” yesterday, which is another reason I found it incredibly scummy that once people started seeing this, RCE decided to show up and completely halt that progression.

[Pretentious]

Still not sure on Pret but one thign i am sure on is that i dont think pret is the best lynch for today. Is it realy the best wagon to give us the most extra info.

On pret 2 conditions . i,e one where he is town and teh other scum

If he is scum then there are his 2 scum buddies we could try and lynch today.


And im currently at the view that either one of the day one wagons was on scum or that the scum simply didnt care who was lynched

No, because I’m gonna flip town, and then you guys got shit. And RCE already stated that everything would be flipped, and you’d essentially have to reset anyways.

He gave himself the out to start over after my lynch.

[Pretentious]

But I do like those Bob posts. Admittedly, i am biased because he said he doesn’t think I’m the best lynch for the day

[Pretentious]

My gut feeling is that that both pret and DRD wagons have one scum on them. Even if maybe one of teh wagosn was on scum.

If scum is just sitting back. Which would explian teh stalled game state then i do think sald has good chacne of being one.

He realy does need to speak up a fair bit ocne his vla is over

Mind meld with me harder. Fuck yeah

[Pretentious]

If scum have 2 of Salad, LUV, Ben, RCE even to an extent based on pushes, then that is scum waiting for stuff to happen and reacting accordingly, which is actually decently likely. Scum likely don’t have more than one person running stuff, if even that.

I liked when Salad changed from me to DDL, though, and I don’t like that Ben is pushing Salad as the secondary.

[Pretentious]

Unless Ben’s tunneling me, and then shading a buddy, which I could see, but even then I’d want to lynch Ben 100 times before lynching Salad.

[Pretentious]

I forgot A50 made a trash push on me. He’s the semi active scum probably, and potentially the most active one.

[Pretentious]

I don't think Pret was really pushing tris. Ahh, it gets cleared up.

I like what Skellen says.

Pret having no reads makes me feel uneasy. I don't know what to make of it

@Bob I intend to vote once caught up. At the moment I'm leaning back towards a50 I think but still got 5 pages to go

What are you talking about?

I have the most in depth reads of every single player in this game, I just dont have them as this or that. That’s not my style.

I can scum read people specifically because I town read them and vice versa, i play the game state.

All my thoughts are out there, if you need to know how I think about a specific slot, you can probably find a pretty detailed response for them.

[Pretentious]

I have the most in depth reads of every single player in this game, I just dont have them as this or that. That’s not my style.

yes but your reads change every 2 pages, so it doesn't really help since the in depth "results" are nullified rapidly

anyways what do you think about lynching a50 today

I disagree that they change, they just get more developed. I go over the possibilities, and they become more nuanced.

[Pretentious]

VOTE: Ben

This flips scum, and then RCE flips scum.

[Pretentious]

I don't think Pret was really pushing tris. Ahh, it gets cleared up.

I like what Skellen says.

Pret having no reads makes me feel uneasy. I don't know what to make of it

@Bob I intend to vote once caught up. At the moment I'm leaning back towards a50 I think but still got 5 pages to go

What are you talking about?

I have the most in depth reads of every single player in this game, I just dont have them as this or that. That’s not my style.

I can scum read people specifically because I town read them and vice versa, i play the game state.

All my thoughts are out there, if you need to know how I think about a specific slot, you can probably find a pretty detailed response for them.

I mean I was catching up and that was around the time you said you had no reads. I can go back and get the post if you want?

Yeah, I said it that way, I get why you’re saying it, i meant it differently than that even though I said it.

I have reads, they just not be totally right or totally left. They’re nuanced

[Pretentious]

We’ll see if Ben puts his money where his mouth is with what he said about Salad earlier

[Pretentious]

It just caught me off guard cos you usually have been pushing some variation on your previous reads or a completely new case.

It’s just how I get to stuff. Even if I move onto something new, my old cases are still in my mind. Sometimes I find something or the way the math all adds up just completely outright tears down my case, and I realize I’m probably wrong, which if I figure out which scum teams aren’t the actual scum team, it does help get one step closer, so I inch my way to a solve.

[Pretentious]

And then RCE goes to A50 after the Ben wagon starts going

[Pretentious]

Out of the three wagons, I believe this one the most, VOTE: Salad

You see, self voting is a intellectual technique of mine, it takes hours and hours to come up with the right time to self vote and I feel this is the right time. Tldr, Indecisveness bullshit VOTE: Ben

This was a good play if this is scum.

This is a hilarious play if he is town, and definitely got town points from it.

I’m staying on Ben because RCEnigma is defending there

[Pretentious]

I'll say if Ben flips town, pret is probably town.

This is literally RCEnigma setting up in case his buddy flips.

[Pretentious]

I'll say if Ben flips town, pret is probably town.

If you think this, and you think Pret is scum, doesn't that mean you should be ok voting Ben?

EXACTLY

[Pretentious]

Ben’s probably town with that claim.

If he was town with that claim, he wouldn’t have been implying that he assumed the tracker who would be affected was town. That was scum indicative.

[Pretentious]

And I say it like that, because he seemed to not know about Skitter, which I think is scum playing dumb.

[Pretentious]

So...the three wagons right now...is his proposed scum team

[Pretentious]

Meant to say the three other possible wagons.

[Pretentious]

Meant to say the three other possible wagons.

The difference is while I feel they MAY be scum with you, my feeling of you being scum is absolute.

And that’s a giant reason I think you are scum. You are the biggest contributor of the Pre-Page-6 Club, we’ll call that the PP6, where after I have been doing the legit most in this game the most analyzing, around the entire gamestate. My reads are completely transparent, any thought I have had, I have pushed in thread. I have done everything I possibly can to get people to see that I am not scum.

I also try to work and play with the idea that for my reads with RCE maybe being wrong, I actively try to work with him to potentially not be stuck.

To me, it feels like you plopped on something, and just stuck on it. You are in a PP6 world and decided that was your path, and that’s why I believe you to be scum. A lot of your era does that, this feels exactly like that.

If you are town, you are wrong with your read on me, and in that fashion, what would you need me to do?

I am actively trying to help everyone accurately read me in this game, and if you’re scum, I’m going to make this as difficult as possible for you.

Pretend I’m not in this game. My slot’s disappeared, 3rd party nulled.

Who is scum and why.

[Pretentious]

I’m pretty sure I said it before, but I made a Salad-Ben association case, if I’m remembering correctly. I am starting to be paranoid of that feeling again.

[Pretentious]

Let me try to find why I felt that way because I don’t remember

[Pretentious]

Ben, A50, Skitter team likely.

A quick question. Why was your first response when skitter lolhammered that they were a scum team. Tris hadnt fliped yet nor claimed her role post hammer.


If you believed so weakly that tris was scum that a single vote from another player would result in you removing her from you belive scum team. Its not liek you hadnt been pushign a tris lynch for soem time.

I remember all teh times you were saying that tris was doing her scum game.

If skitter was scum, then I caught her, if skitter was town, she got a potential reason to be nightkilled.


RCE probably knew I was going to jailkeep him, not Skitter, so it was a safe kill.

The fact RCE didn’t even comment on the majority of my analysis today is why he’s likely scum.

Ben, RCEnigma, Salad, replace one with DDL/Skellen/A50 is a solve.

If I’m wrong on one of the main three, it’s likely salad.

Maybe I was wrong, but I put Salad here for a reason. But salad’s DDL vote I liked, and his self vote was funny.

I could see A50 as scum with one of Ben or RCE too, though

[Pretentious]

I'll say if Ben flips town, pret is probably town.

If you think this, and you think Pret is scum, doesn't that mean you should be ok voting Ben?

No. It means nothing if pret is pushing it and it doesn't go through. But pret pushing Ben to flip and Ben flipping town gives me towncred. It blows up his scumteam theories and his narrative. I kind of didn't want to say that because if I die it's pretty irrelevant to the read.

This is actually semi TMI sounding.

I feel like I’m being baited by him to bring up the idea that Ben and I could be potential TvT, and then target RCE for that, but then he gets a “so whatever Ben flips I’m scum?” Defense, which I feel like he is setting up.

I had absolutely no clue why RCE is town reading Ben the way he is. There’s nothing about Ben that should ever be that strong in reading it.

[Pretentious]

If you’re a logic person, then you should use logic to see that every single time I play with someone from your era, I am tunneled by them regardless of alignment when I am town.

When I’m scum, they typically don’t come after me.

[Pretentious]

Then I just misunderstood.

[Pretentious]

I also wasn't townreading Ben, I've been on the fence about him but I think his tunnel is town indicative. You voting him was town indicative and I think his emotion is townie in these last few pages.

Why do you think his tunnel is town indicative? This is what his era does to me, it’s NAI at best, mixed with things like weak associations, and refusal to look past pp6 is scum indicative

[Pretentious]

I think your tunnel is borderline scum indicative, but I’m trying not to base my read on the tunnel itself

[Pretentious]

You voting him was town indicative

Yes, and I’ve been voting him since early Day 1.

[Pretentious]

I don't like benhalkum either. His first post comes in with an excusing tone that he is not lurking and then later he unvotes his random vote and leans on a Morality vote as he finds his behaviour scummy. So why doesn't he vote Morality then? It's not that he is asking Morality any questions either, so...? Gives me a bad impression so far.

VOTE: benhalkum

Didn't need to vote yet as I wanted him to respond to me or others to weigh in before I voted. I don't like to vote once random is over unless I truly feel they are bad news.

With that being said though, VOTE: Mortality.

1) The false claim so early (As he claimed again, proving it to be false, proves he can't be trusted)
2) The fact he could be either town or scum jail keeper
3) The erratic/defensive/deflective/aggressive behavior
4) Threatening to go AFK or becoming toxic in this game (Technically falls under 3, but a major gut punch for me)
5) Using the throw shit everywhere to see what sticks method
6) Using how he's played other games as an excuse for him not to be scummy

Can we all agree this is scum, though?

VOTE: Ben

[Pretentious]

I live a fast paced life in the SF area, but gotta get my workout in.

Rock climbing for the physical, mafia for the mental.

[Pretentious]

One of Skitter’s earliest scum games was with Eddie Cane and I after we were already established, she can do anything as scum.

[Pretentious]

Anyone watch My Hero? If I’m town, I have to All Might it up to stop her All fo One scum self up, and imma go down for good by only prolonging her inevitable return, and I’m gonna have to find an apprentice to surpass me to be the one to stop them, because I’ll be taken out.

[Pretentious]

RCE’s scum.

Literally that answers every single question and wonder in this game.

If I’m wrong on Ben, there’s absolutely no possible way that RCE isn’t scum here

[Pretentious]

We have like 24 hours left.

Almost, are you willing to go on Ben or Salad?

Bob, are you off Ben now?

[Pretentious]

Ben and A50 wagons spiked after Salad got to L-1 I believe, and Salad self vote was a good scum play imo, it got people naturally to come off of him.

[Pretentious]

I feel like one of BEF/Skellen have to have scum in them somewhere. The wagons shift heavily whenever they’re involved.

[Pretentious]

I would prefer salad for now.

Im just not sure scum acts like ben. With utright stone walling and make a fake outrage when a player pushs for answers when they refuse too

I’m tunneled just as much as Ben is, and I think RCE is wanting that, even if Ben is his partner.

[Pretentious]

for now im most confident in salad being scum

VOTE: salad

You’re confident in that?

[Pretentious]

Wtf, RCE is on A50?

[Pretentious]

Salad’s effectively on A50 meaning that’s actually the most likely lynch for the day.

Salad wagon has been fluctuating, and Ben flash wagon came in lieu of Salad.

[Pretentious]

RCE moved to a50 when peopel started to move to ben

Can’t we just lynch RCE?

That’s so scummy. A50 has just pushed a terrible vote on me, and RCE was pushing me.

[Pretentious]

Had just

[Pretentious]

VOTE: Almost50

[Pretentious]

Claim.

[Pretentious]

UNVOTE: Almost50

[Pretentious]

This sucks.

Ben’s on Salad, and RCE’s on A50.

[Pretentious]

I think Ben is town yo

UNVOTE: Ben

VOTE: Salad

[Pretentious]

I trust Ben more than I trust RCE right now, so I picked the lesser of 2 evils. Ben-Salad-RCE was a solve of mine earlier, so if there’s bussing going on, it’s by Ben on Salad because he won’t push as hard as RCE can.

[Pretentious]

Yeah, that checks out. I see that connection too, which is another reason I think RCE is scum

I want him to claim still.

[Pretentious]

i know im beating the bush et al, but I don't really think your read on a50 is that genuine at all

No, you’re right to feel that way. My A50 read is very ping gut based, and I flip flop on him more than anything, and it’s completely based on his interaction with me, which changes page to page.

[Pretentious]

But if A50’s town, I’m fucked tbh.

[Pretentious]

I’d prefer another day with him alive because I know I can accurately read A50, and if he is scum, I’d like more late game content because that’s where I caught him and Garmr once as scum.

Together from deep VCA and association prior to them even flipping. Like it was near 100% to everyone that I was correct in that scenario.

[Pretentious]

why is that the case

A50 scum needs to get rid of me. A50 town will give me the chance and even defend me. RCE knows this, so A50 is the most likely player left alive to hard slingshot me, so if A50 is town, I lose a lot of potential support going into the later days, because ScumRCE has to deal with us potentially town clearing each other.

We’re usually tied together in most games we play.

[Pretentious]

I don’t see a world where RCEnigma isn’t scum here, and that’s the wagon he chose to pick.

If A50 flips town, I go tomorrow probably especially because I’ll essentially be vanilla.

When I flip, if Ben is town, then Ben is then mislynched the next day phase, which lets RCEnigma coast through the game, and allow potential ScumSalad to live as well.

[Pretentious]

The game is likely over after Ben death.

[Pretentious]

Like it’s a bad reason to town read A50, but I feel that path just makes so much sense that it kind of immediately just pounced into my face

[Pretentious]

also why don't you go over the steps if ben flips scum? 1733 is odd considering ben is your biggest scum read and all

He’s dropped down a bit actually based on wagon compositions and RCEnigma comments

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i went to iso and a50 seems to be pretty sure you are scum, buddy

I don’t really have a better reason, tbh. I don’t like that the end of day compromise wagon is ending on A50.

[Pretentious]

I feel like if A50 and I were scum here, the play would have been to bus him

[Pretentious]

If A50 flips town, we go RCE tomorrow?

[Pretentious]

I'm on a50 cos I like the narrative of someone moving from ddl to tris being scum and for me there is only one option. Plus I didn't like Vex at all and I don't really like a50 either, even if I find him harder to feel confident of a read on.

I am definitely open to giving RCE a look over if a50 flips town. I don't think I see a good reason for RCE to bus partner!a50 here though. It just bugs me that I feel like I've had a number of mind meldy moments with him and get where his explanations are coming from. I think I am very comfortable in a world where Pret vs RCE is TvS, but I dunno which way round yet. I just feel like TvT pret is able to get RCE to reconsider, and SvS is too risky cos they are both people who feel like they could really push a lynch, and even if they move off it later have it come back to bite them.

Actually maybe it could be SvS, but I don't even know if I can make a case to convince myself of that, let alone anyone else. Gah, that way paranoia lies...

Pret is buss averse and I wouldn't buss Pret as a partner. It's weird that I'd be the scum consideration if A50 flips but meh I'll get to it tomorrow. I don't die tonight and neither does pret so there's that.

This isn’t 100% true, because there’s a way this happens.

Mizzy helped me figure this out.

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Gah I keep getting distracted when I shouldn't.

@Pret - Can you sell me on that? Cos in situations like this you always say whatever makes you town in the current game state.

@RCE - put it down to you both being players I am uncertain of my capacity to read and being pretty sure this doesn't feel TvT to me for the reason mentioned

Because it’s true

I think it’s fair to assume I’ve been under the most pressure this game.

As scum partners with Almost, he gets to bus me to potentially deep wolf. We gain nothing from being half and half on each other, or having weak stances.

While RCE is correct, that I’m generally super against bussing, if you check my history this year

Get A Room - Persivul and I were bussing each other the entire game
Let’s talk about an on going game - I was putting Ausuka as scum the dayI was heavily in it.
Ramblings - I bussed the hell out of scum partner Vorkuta, and we had hard hard hard Scum Theatre day 1.
Anime U Pick - I claimed a role cop guilty on my scum partner, JJH.
Black and White - Fonz and I were going at each other the entirety of his time in the game, to the point it looked as if one of us were gonna aggro replace out.
Pokémon Fusion - i hard pushed the Avengers hydra scum partner like Day 1 or Day 2.

And then in Everything is Completely Normal - I didn’t bus at all, I even went to lengths of Mason claiming with a buddy of mine, and we were lost by like Day 3.

So while that is true what RCE said, I have actively gone against that in essentially everyone of my victorious scum games in the year of 2019.

[Pretentious]

And that is just in the year of 2019. 2018 I did spend a lot of time anti bussing, and it brought me to like a 2 year streak where I only lost as scum once.

[Pretentious]

But agreed it isn't TvT

If you are town, you’re reading me incorrectly.

If you are scum, it’s almost singlehandedly the reason I’ve caught you here.

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Jingle just successfully play this the opposite of you, where he hard hard town read me as a play.

I am a play heavy kinda guy. You essentially have to make some sort of play when you’re scum against me.

Skitter recently killed town me off because she specifically didn’t want to deal with townMe.

[Pretentious]

pret how do you roll so many scum games

Idk. I rolled like 5 in a row earlier this year. And they were like nearly simultaneous. It was a crap time.

[Pretentious]

I targeted RCE again.

I half expected him to be killed if he were town there.

[Pretentious]

And if he was scum, i would have hoped he wouldn’t think I’d target him twice.

[Pretentious]

RCE, I never kill BEF there.

Town read me

[Pretentious]

@Mizzy - I’m the newest NRG member. I’ve also never put a strongman in any of my 10+ modded games on site

[Pretentious]

We should mass claim starting with A50.

[Pretentious]

@pret - why'd you still want a50 to claim after you stopped voting there?

I still think he should claim

[Pretentious]

Honestly I'm still on the fence about the JK claim but it doesnt hurt to let him use it one more night and maybe block or save if he were telling the truth

Me too. I'll believe it when I see it is my attitude towards it. That being said, I still think Pret is town.

I never never never never never kill here

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Who does kill BEF? A50 was next in line with his tris PoE but he could just have easily gone back to Ben. Me and skellen get the benefits of "oh, but i was scum reading him before he died". Those feel like the obvious ones to me

Idk. You’d expect someone to push me because my defense is lowered.

It could be scum who’s happy with where they are in the game state, so they killed low priority kill which also weakens me.

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@pret - why'd you still want a50 to claim after you stopped voting there?

I still think he should claim

Yeah, but there is a difference between massclaim now (Which I was tempted to suggest instead of just claiming myself) and you in particular claim right before night without intent. It's the reasoning for the latter I'm curious about

Because I can hard read A50. I can get into his mind. Depending on how he goes about claiming, I can figure out his alignment.

He once replaced into a game and I was town reading his slot, and literally on his entrance I went “Oh, Almost is scum” and I was dead serious and correct. A50 knows I get him like that sometimes, so when he is scum he has to be aware of me.

I have players where I am forced to play around as scum too. RCE is one of them, jingle, something smart, A50 saw my SK game so that’s scary.

[Pretentious]

I’m lean scum on A50.

Probably with Skellen

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BEF is such a pretentious kill btw

It’s really not.

Not even in the “he killed there because it’s specifically not a Pretentious kill”

I don’t think it fits the bill even for that.

[Pretentious]

benhalkum
Skellen
Lil Uzi Vert
Almost50
RCEnigma
DrDolittle

I wanna say 50% of this is the scum team.

Skellen-A50-one of DDL/Ben/LUV
RCE-two of DDL/Luv/Skellen. A50 is possible, but less likely.

I’m beginning to start thinking Ben is lean town, and specifically not scum with RCE. If RCE is scum he was definitely playing in a way to set him up.

If A50 is scum, i can’t see Skellen not being scum. I can kinda see RCE setting up some distancing with Skellen, but i probably need to go deep iso again, probably BEF.

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I’ve already said i lean town on Ben and scum lean on A50

[Pretentious]

How would I EVER been the NK? I’ve been the major wagon the entire game

[Pretentious]

I’m lean scum on A50.

Probably with Skellen

Completely trashes your entire post

[Pretentious]

And I called Ben likely town.

And I also said to mass claim starting with A50, so what the hell are you fucking talking about?

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unless you can give a convincing explaination of what you plan to do with a50. cause rereading last night, i think a50 could be town, but you feel like just running circles around that slot in saying, "hey I can sort a50" while literally not doing anything.

This is literally the worst thing to come this day phase.

I have called the slot lean scum, and stated to mass claim starting with A50.

And he hasn’t posted since, so wtf are you going on about

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He has posted actually, but he ignored it, thus him on my scum list

[Pretentious]

Plus you're JK doesn't make sense with the doc AND your "blocks" conveniently whiffed.

If there’s another killing role out there somewhere, this confirms DDL as scum.

[Pretentious]

benhalkum
Skellen
Lil Uzi Vert
Almost50
RCEnigma
DrDolittle

I wanna say 50% of this is the scum team.

Skellen-A50-one of DDL/Ben/LUV
RCE-two of DDL/Luv/Skellen. A50 is possible, but less likely.

I’m beginning to start thinking Ben is lean town, and specifically not scum with RCE. If RCE is scum he was definitely playing in a way to set him up.

If A50 is scum, i can’t see Skellen not being scum. I can kinda see RCE setting up some distancing with Skellen, but i probably need to go deep iso again, probably BEF.

The fact DDL started after I made this post confirms I’m closing in on a solve.

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Especially because he used reasonings that are invalid and false based on me scum leaning A50 and town leaning Ben

[Pretentious]

skellen was town and she still is town

I’d like this touched on more, please.

I’m sure others will as well

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your sort is not an honest sort. you play as if you have some sophisticated reasoning on your read of A50's alignment.

your actual reasoning: A50 did not respond to me

What do you mean?

I don’t have an actual reason, i have a chain of reasonings.

I don’t read people off of single actions.

Scum make townie actions all the time, it’s the chain of the actions that make them scum or not

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your sort is not an honest sort. you play as if you have some sophisticated reasoning on your read of A50's alignment.

your actual reasoning: A50 did not respond to me

This is also contradicting himself earlier, because prior I was lean town on A50, and I have gone to lean scum on him Yet DDL’s push was because I couldn’t explain a town read, and guess what, you’re right, I can’t explain it because I don’t think he’s town. He’s likely scum because of the connection he has to Skellen now and his ignorance of me.

[Pretentious]

Although, him saying that he doesn’t think RCE or myself is scum gives him some townie points

[Pretentious]

ok where's your sophisticated chain of reasoning?

the only one that was vaguely interesting was "A50 cares more about details as scum"

and then you've been fliping on that role at least 5 times. It's not an honest read at all, and you're not zeroing on anything

How is flipping not an honest thing? If anything that’s more honest