Mini Normal 2108 : 1st game

[Robbnva]

Sup

[Robbnva]

lol it probably won’t be but I do hope it goes well. I won’t be a trouble maker.

[Robbnva]

Nice game advancing. No RVS or anything game-related in sight.
Scumlean.

I don’t typically rvs. This is a bad reason to scumread somebody.

[Robbnva]

Also expecting game advancing posts on page 1 is an unrealistic expectation. Your try hard doesn’t earn you any credit so relax and have fun.

[Robbnva]

@skitter vla on Friday and saturdays noted

Taking notes of others' VLAs ? Feigning non-apathy and enthusiasm.
Scumlean.

[Robbnva]

Scummiest person so far. The guy who scumleans the mod and people for nai stuff.

VOTE: Hectic

[Robbnva]

Seems like he's just screwing around to me.
VOTE: Robbnva

looked serious enough to me for a page 2 vote. I'm good with my vote.

[Robbnva]

and while that one post may have been a joke, your others don't look like they were so the rest of my reasons hold true. try hard and scum leaning nai shit is scummy

[Robbnva]

In too deep so you can’t back out, huh?

Not at all. I have no need to back out. I stand behind what I said. I like my vote.

[Robbnva]

In too deep so you can’t back out, huh?
I'm sorry if my behaviour is too “try hardy" for you.
Nah,

fuck that

, why should I be apologising for your shitty behaviour? I play this game to win. That means pointing out shit I find scummy, and not giving ANYONE a free pass.
You’re playing this game to win too, but from the MAFIA's side. You lurk around with your non-game progressing behaviour, and the

second

you see something easy to push, you’re in there like a fucking Nazi going to Argentina.

Intent to hammer if Rob ever hits L-1.

Nobody asked you to apologize. I haven’t had shitty behavior so not sure what you’re talking about. I haven’t lurked either. Why the grasping as straws and misreps over one vote?

[Robbnva]

Policy for what? This game is all about passion.

1. Overreacting
2. Lying
3. Misrepping
4. Bring rude/unpolite
5. Being generally unpleasant

I could probably go on but don’t think I need to.

[Robbnva]

Also Did you really accuse me of going after something easy to push? Try Harding and calming non ai things scummy are like things I’ve legit see scum do. I say SUP and don’t try to advance the game on page one ever game I play, as well as more then 75% of the players on the site. So if anyone is attacking easy things it’s you sir

[Robbnva]

I play this game to win. That means pointing out shit I find scummy, and not giving ANYONE a free pass.

Interesting. That’s what I did also but you doing it makes you town but I’m somehow mafia? How does that work exactly?

[Robbnva]

and the second you see something easy to push, you’re in there like a fucking Nazi going to Argentina.

I wanted to say one more thing and then I will move on. This line.

1. voting you isn't agressive
2. nothing I have done thus far is even close to agressive by anyone's standards
3. You are about as close to accurate saying I am bing agressive as pluto is to earth. You should just count your blessings I was banned from newbie games and because of that I am making a conscious effort to change my play because if I was actually aggressive, i'd not only make you break down in tears, but half the player list would replace out because of how toxic it would get.
4. This definitely feels like you are projecting your behaviours on to me because between the two of us, you are the aggressor not me. Voting somebody I think is scummy isn't aggressive play. Never has been and never will be.

I really need to stop reading your posts for a while, they are like the gifts that just keep giving.

NOW

In the event that you are actually town, please dial it back a notch. Please also don't make nazi references I'd also appreciate it if you dial back on the cursing. Passionate is fine, being toxic isn't. I have no qualms reporting behavior I feel is inappropriate or offensive.

[Robbnva]

nice to see you robbvna.

Sorry I missed this earlier. Nice to see you too sir. i hope all is well with you.

[Robbnva]

the changes I am making is 1. try not to curse at people. 2. try not to death tunnel 3. try to get along with everyone 4. have fun. That last one is the real kicker. I got so competitive that I just stopped being me. so don't be surprised if you see me make a lot of off topic jokes in addition to on topic posts. That is me irl

that said, I can't change core me. Of course I was going to vote hectic. I will keep my vote on him probably until I see something worse. Right now he is just such an unpleasant person to be around. My wife is jewish so the N word really crossed a line. I am glad the mod spoke up. Kudos to the mod. If hectic wants to start playing well with others, I will think about un-voting but to be honest as of page 3, nobody else besides him has done anything scummy so it's no brainer to vote him.

I honestly can't see scum doing what hectic is doing, but then again I know how I play as scum so nothing surprises me. For now though he is like 20% scum/ 80% toxic player that will ultimately drive me to replace out if his behaviour continues.

[Robbnva]

I do expect slurs and a replace out at some point. idk from whom but maybe i'll be wrong.

lol, get out of my brain.

I really does hope he does get better. These ques are taking forever to play and I need mafia to take my mind off my irl shit. Sitting waiting for games to fill suck ass

[Robbnva]

in hindsight, hectic basically set landmines down. a series of non serious posts calling everyone a scum lean and if anyone dare pushes back, they explode aka he turns it like he was serious.

[Robbnva]

@tchill I honestly don’t know enough about this player or their tendencies but I’ll definitely monitor their play. For now just on policy for the reasons I’ve given and because I don’t see anything else yet, I’m sticking with my vote. You’ll be glad to know I won’t be engaging in fights with that player either. Fighting is overrated

[Robbnva]

OK, guys. So I sat down and took a breather, and I feel a lot better now.
Sometimes I get way too into the game, and my emotions get the better of me. At its heart, this game is all about accusing each other which makes it a very passionate and emotional game, and really, that's why I love it so much.
But sometimes, I do let go of the reigns and I can spin out of control as a result.
Don't worry though, my horse is okay and I am firmly back on, reigns in hand. Hope to have a pleasant game with y'all.

Anyway, let me change what I said to Rob to "as soon as he saw an opportunity, he was in there to push me like a mouse going for cheese."
Hope that's better. Will talk about reads later.

Town, when they see an opportunity is going to do the same thing. Seeing something scummy is an opportunity. You did something (many something) scummy.

You can deny that you did anything scummy, but that doesn’t make it true. How do you determine I’m scum vs I’m town? You didn’t even try to sort me. That’s scummy also.

Town should be trying to sort first before accusing somebody of being mafia. You didn’t. You accused first.

[Robbnva]

That’s a way I guess. You can’t really reaction test people that way

[Robbnva]

That wasn’t a threat though.

[Robbnva]

Interesting you choose that to comment on.

[Robbnva]

You’ve basically ignored game relevant discussion for something insignificant. If you think I broke a rule. Report me and move on. And ATE is NAI so you really should focus on more important things if you are town.

[Robbnva]

What are your thoughts about what’s actually happened?

[Robbnva]

I wonder if anyone is seeing what I’m seeing.

[Robbnva]

Go on.

You and skitter saw it. I just was making sure I wasn’t biased

[Robbnva]

How do you determine who is actually sincere or not?

[Robbnva]

Town contradict themselves. I sort of get what skitter is saying but I just don’t know how he can determine who is genuine and who isn’t. I’m being genuine and go suggest I’m not without any basis just doesn’t make sense.

[Robbnva]

Bowl of Cereal - Skitter:

In post 45, Robbnva wrote:
Try Harding and calming non ai things scummy are like things I’ve legit see scum do.
lowkey feels like a perspective slip.

I normally write off most "scumslips", but this one is kinda interesting, and I wouldn't mind hearing Rob elaborate on his use of that word there.

Rob?

I don’t understand what the issue of using the word legit is. It’s not a slip and I don’t see how anyone could think it was.

[Robbnva]

If you're scum, you use 'legit' there if you forget you're speaking from a townie's perspective, and speak from scum's perspective where you're trying to convince people that even though you're scum, this thing you're pointing out is legit scummy.

Well people have accused people of things that are nai. You being one of them. Me saying what I said and using legit (besides the fact that legit is part of my vocabulary) means that the stuff I find scummy are things I’ve actually seen scum do. Instead of using a long work like actually, I say legit. If y’all want to call it a slip go ahead but it isn’t. Your line of thinking doesn’t even make sense on a logical or even common sense level so I’m not going to worry about it.

[Robbnva]

legit see scum do' is basically saying: i'm trying to add credibility to this read by comparing what hectic is doing here to what i have actually seen scum do in the past

Well yes using emphasis words like actually and legit do help get the point across. That was what I was trying to do. I’m using things scum do making my vote legit. He’s using non AI stuff making his suspicions not legit.

I don’t see how that’s a slip though. Town have to be convincing

[Robbnva]

You’re free to think that. I like to add credibility to my arguments when I know I’m right. If you think it’s a slip I’m not going to be able to change your mind. It’s not and you either believe me or don’t.

[Robbnva]

Just so you know, I don't think it's a slip, and I don't really believe in semantic scumslips anyway.
Most "scumslips" are just odd word choices by townies that get nitpicked.

Yeah I know. It’s happened a bunch of times before and nobody ever believes me so I don’t worry about it.

[Robbnva]

I don’t think you answers my question

[Robbnva]

Oh you did but you didn’t.

[Robbnva]

So bef, do you have any other thoughts on the game? Reads on anyone else?

[Robbnva]

Except...this entire post is you worrying about it.

Responding to somebody /discussing it isn’t worrying. Nice try though.

[Robbnva]

Yes, that's what I thought as well. The "legit" line of discussion seems like a straw man distraction.

You should probably learn the definition of straw man before before using it. That isn’t an example of straw man

[Robbnva]

Why can't you reaction test someone by accusing them and seeing how they react?

Cause reactions are usually nai.

[Robbnva]

I can actually. I can do whatever I want. Reaction tests are almost never reliable cause you have to know how somebody reacts as town and scum. Just cause you see a reaction you don’t like doesn’t mean that person is scum or even scummy.

Ate is nai cause town use ate also. You can’t determine alignment by ate and that’s been proven over and over.

[Robbnva]

What are your thoughts about what’s actually happened?

You're scum.

You try to misrep me as only coming in on the replace out issue. Fact is I had already changed my RVS vote to a serious vote on you due to your reaction to Hectic's posts, which clearly seemed to be joking or RT to me.

I wasn’t asking you. I’m not scum And I didn’t misrep you. You avoided the entire discussion and harped on something irrelevant. I wasn’t the only one who noticed.

[Robbnva]

Yes, that's what I thought as well. The "legit" line of discussion seems like a straw man distraction.

You should probably learn the definition of straw man before before using it. That isn’t an example of straw man

This appears to be exactly what you accused me of doing with the rule break accusation.

Not even close.

[Robbnva]

You seem to think that it's valid to read people in part based on things you've seen scum do. Yet, when I do just that, you argue that ti's invalid.

Nobody yet has said my reasons were nai. If somebody wants to argue that it would be one thing but that’s not the argument people are making.

Ate actually is nai though. If you don’t agree that’s fine. You can use whatever you want but I use ate as both alignments and so do many other people. Mafia gets emotional at times. The ate argument has been disproven.

You’re comparing apples to oranges here.

[Robbnva]

You still happy with your vote on me, Robb?

Yes I am.

[Robbnva]

Same reason as before.

[Robbnva]

Five posts by tchill making comments on hectic v. robb while adding nothing and staying safely on the fence:

Spoiler:

Scummiest person so far. The guy who scumleans the mod and people for nai stuff.

VOTE: Hectic

LMAO as i was reading pg 1 i was like... "well, if robb truly wants to change hectic will be a big challenge".

im not a fan of hectic's schtick or play style. He does CARE though, which is all I ask for to like playing with someone.

I have a lot of prior knowledge of players in this game. it'll be interesting.

In too deep so you can’t back out, huh?
I'm sorry if my behaviour is too “try hardy" for you.
Nah,

fuck that

, why should I be apologising for your shitty behaviour? I play this game to win. That means pointing out shit I find scummy, and not giving ANYONE a free pass.
You’re playing this game to win too, but from the MAFIA's side. You lurk around with your non-game progressing behaviour, and the

second

you see something easy to push, you’re in there like a fucking Nazi going to Argentina.

Intent to hammer if Rob ever hits L-1.

im not surprised robb voted you, in fact i expected he'd vote you.

Scum! robb is aware of Town! robb's play most of the time. He seems to play into it. No hard stance on robb from me yet.

oh page 2 is splendid. exactly what i'd expect from a hectic and robb interaction lol.

Robb, Hectic is ... different. He's pretty much the perfect storm for a player you'd hate as far as I can gather. He does get better as the game goes along though.

I do expect slurs and a replace out at some point. idk from whom but maybe i'll be wrong.

I honestly can't see scum doing what hectic is doing

all i ask is you ask yourself if its town that doesnt know how to play well or if its scum with an agenda. Because if theres a scenario where someone is playinjg scum entirely too poorly to be scum then that maybe true.

I'm making changes to my behavior as well. I got too toxic there for a bit. Diluted my reads and game play. Wasnt enjoying it anymore. Best of luck to you robb. I pretty much just refuse to be an asshole no matter the circumstance now. I see it as a challenge lol.

hectic's always scummy af and if his trolling gets him ran up I won't defend him. I completely understand.

ques def suck here compared to when i started playing. I agree.

I do ask that robb and hectic BOTH tone down their normal behaviors (just this one game) for the sake of town winning.

any decent scum here is gonna pour fire on this flame. Nip it in the bud early.

ofc if you dont thats fine im just making a suggestion.

I mean this sort of makes you a hypocrite. You were guilty of fence sitting. You only came off the fence after getting called out by me and others.

[Robbnva]

Seems like he's just screwing around to me.
VOTE: Robbnva

How is this fencesitting?

VOTE: Robb

Wake still needs to come on and do something though.

I really didn’t consider that a real vote. But I was referring to how he came in and ignored the discussion that happened. He focused on something irrelevant. That’s fence sitting

[Robbnva]

Same reason as before.

Who's your no.2 pick?

Don’t have one yet.

[Robbnva]

also I really don't think he is making good points. He mentions strawman but clearly he doesn't know what that means cause i didn't make an illogical argument. If anything I was countering an illogical one with a logical one. Not liking my reaction is fine but like I said, unless you know how somebody reacts to pressure, you can't know if a reaction is AI. The AtE argument is also bad because AtE has been proven time and time again as being NAI. For me, bad reactions and AtE is my standard play. Tchill already mentioned that I am reacting exactly how he expected me to which should support what i am saying.

I realize nobody is going to believe me at face value but anyone who has played with me or any of my alts could probably confirm. I am pretty sure I have played with everyone but you and schnauzer.

[Robbnva]

So, despite all the shade you're casting my way, you don't find me scummier than anyone else. Interesting.

I wouldn't say what i am doing as casting shade. I am merely providing my opinions about your play. I am an emotional player and in the past I would scum read anyone and everyone who scum read me or said something about me that isn't true. That is a bad way to play and it's something I am working on.

[Robbnva]

I really didn’t consider that a real vote.

Why not? I had already made a RVS vote. I then changed to another person and gave a reason. That's usually considered a real vote.

it just felt like a pressure vote. I didn't think you legit scum read me. Not enough reason to legit scum read me at that point.

[Robbnva]

Five posts by tchill making comments on hectic v. robb while adding nothing and staying safely on the fence:

while I agree that tchill probably should start adding content, I don't really see this as fence sitting. tchill knows how I am a player. It seems tchill knows how hectic is as a player. If I was playing how I normally do, this game would already be at page 20 of me and hectic fighting back and forth.

tchill is a weird player. Sometimes he does stuff, sometimes he doesn't. I played a game with him where i was scum and he was town, and even as scum i was frustrated by his town play because he had reads and never explained how he got them. he had no basis for them.

[Robbnva]

schnauzer, why did you answer my question that I asked bef? It was clear you scum read me, I didn't see the point of hijacking my question.

[Robbnva]

hectic - what do you make of schnauzer's playstyle shift after getting called out? ignore the points he made because tbh the points he made could be made as either alignment, does the playstyle shift itself concern you?

[Robbnva]

I really didn’t consider that a real vote.

Why not? I had already made a RVS vote. I then changed to another person and gave a reason. That's usually considered a real vote.

Also if we want to get technical, your vote on me could have easily just been a chainsaw defense of hectic.

[Robbnva]

Since tchill knows you both, that's even more reason he should have a position on your 1v1.

I don't agree. I can't speak for hectic, but tchill knows I can actually copy my town meta as scum. there isn't enough to see to get a read on me.

[Robbnva]

hectic - what do you make of schnauzer's playstyle shift after getting called out? ignore the points he made because tbh the points he made could be made as either alignment, does the playstyle shift itself concern you?

Scummy AF.

why is the truth scummy af?

[Robbnva]

Oh you’re right I did confuse them. I kind of wish you would have answered that before three people mentioned your unusual behavior.

[Robbnva]

before three people mentioned

Nah, you're not casting shade...

again, telling the truth isn't casting shade. I am sorry if you think so but the facts remain. before me and 2 others call you out your only real contribution is "you broke a rule" after that you decide to contribute.

Those are facts. take it however you want but that is what happened.

[Robbnva]

Do I need to post a a quote wall or you going to concede that is indeed the truth.

[Robbnva]

I didn't say i think that is NAI. I keep repeating it cause you are trying to cast shade on me for speaking truths. If you want to cast shade on me for speaking the truth, that is fine but I won't stop mentioning it.

[Robbnva]

So bef, do you have any other thoughts on the game? Reads on anyone else?

The game got off to a blazing start, making me dizzy and paranoid.
Here is a shotgun reads list, and before anyone asks, these are all gut reads based on ISO reading:

bob3141 - null, 1 RVS post
Tchill13 - Town lean, his "i've changed" post seems genuine. However, alone it's not AI and could be a ploy.
Garmr - I don't get why he scum reads me but if this game is anything like my other games, I'll probably say something "scummy af" get a wagon on me (usually led by scum)
Robbnva - Null - The amount of posts makes me want to put Robb in the scum pile but I don't like committing too early.
Wake88 - My RVS vote is there now, but I feel fine leaving it there even out of RVS for now
skitter30 - I always think skitter is town and I'm pretty sure I've never played with scum!skitter. Just going on odds RN. Town.
Hectic - Hectic's post fit his name well. Scum lean just for the abrasiveness.
Rabid Schnauzer - I want to put Rabid in the scum pile but as I'm writing this I am getting the feeling that I am just scum reading the most active players.

Thanks. Why do you like your wake vote? Do you think he has done anything scummy? if so what?

[Robbnva]

scummy =/= scum

I find your actions scummy, I just can't determine your alignment from them yet. I am trying not to let my emotions guide me. You are too experienced a player to not know that. Your entire push on me is basically doing what you accuse me of. you are casting shade on me for things that aren't AI. I can't tell if that is because you are actually scum or just playing poorly. It's going to take something more to get me to move off hectic. Since I don't have any solid scum reads right now, I am keeping my vote where it is at.

[Robbnva]

wake probably won't do anything townie though. Him being useless in his games is pretty much par for the course from what i can remember of him.

[Robbnva]

wake probably won't do anything townie though. Him being useless in his games is pretty much par for the course from what i can remember of him.

yes, my memory is fairly accurate - viewtopic.php?p=9435538#p9435538


I don't want to offend Wake because maybe things have changed in the past two years but Wake is one of those players you wonder why he even signs up to play because he doesn't seem to want to play.

[Robbnva]

Damn, Fish's reads list is terrible. Haven't got time now but will elaborate later.

VOTE: Fish

Fish's style makes him a bad D1 lynch. You'll get no information from it. Anyone can find reason to hop on or off a fish wagon.

this is an odd statement

[Robbnva]

VOTE: rabid

fuck it, there is just too much scummy stuff for him to be town.

I keep trying to find town motivation for it but I really can't.

[Robbnva]

rabid, why the hypocrisy on shading?

[Robbnva]

it is a terrible reason to fos somebody. His play actually reminds me a little of how I play as scum. He's more nuanced and less abrasive, but it's very similar.

[Robbnva]

there is of course a huge difference that i don't think most people can pull off like I can

[Robbnva]

Will have to see what substance they hold

substance? probably not a ton, but relevant posts with some solid thoughts/opinions? most of them.

[Robbnva]

essentially most players will take a stance on hectic and robb then the game will go from there.

there's no reason for that to happen since every time BOTH players are town they'll prob get in a huge argument like this.

I refuse to let this turn into the robb v hectic game this early.

Seems like thats EXACTLY what rabid wants.

this is actually a good post.

the me vs hectic isn't even anything serious. It's two playstyles clashing. You can't determine alignment from either of us based on what has been posted so far. anyone who claims they can is clearly lying to themselves or lying to us.

[Robbnva]

Yep...except for the fact that I changed it from robb v hectic to robb v me.

except it really isn't a me v you type thing. there really wasn't a me vs hectic either. Just a bunch of gorillas pounding their chests. You clearly don't know or don't remember what I am capable of. This is still just some good old fashioned sorting.

[Robbnva]

So...why did you engage in it? You just felt like providing cover for scum?

why did I engage in what exactly? why do you have to twist every action of mine into a scum action? you are either scum or incredibly conf.biased and it's never a good idea to play conf.biased. I should know, I am the king of it.

[Robbnva]

I did some checking and saw you say this in another game where you were town, so I suppose it's NAI. But in a micro, two mislynches puts us in lylo, so you're saying you're not participating in HALF the lynches before potential lylo. You probably shouldn't play micros with that approach.

this post pings me also. you speak to wake like you know he is town, much like the post you made earlier. Also even if you aren't scum and I am misinterpreting, who are you to tell somebody else how to play? he doesn't need a lecture from you.

[Robbnva]

you are either scum or incredibly conf.biased

Which do you think it is?

honestly don't know. I am leaning scum because none of your actions make sense to me. It took being called out to actually get you to play which to me means somebody told you that you probably should step up your game. either that was your guilty conscious or maybe it was your scum buddy in chat.

you didn't answer my question. why the hypocrisy about shading? Why can you shade people but you are quick to call it out when you are shaded?

[Robbnva]

I do agree with rabid's thoughts on wake.

we only get 2 mislynches and its lylo. He doesnt get a pass this day phase.

I also agree with the thoughts behind it, but I have tried in the past to get wake to do something and he just doesn't budge. Maybe he has changed since I last played with him but something tells me probably not.

[Robbnva]

rabid is such a bizarre character. None of his pushes or even his play make any sense as town, but like I don't know if they make sense as scum either. I feel like scum would try and blend in more.

[Robbnva]

UNVOTE:

I need more people to contribute. I can't let my emotions dictate my vote. I am sort of in the same stance with rabid as I was with hectic. scum lean but some policy mixed in.

[Robbnva]

of course I do. You haven't mustered up a single good reason to push me

[Robbnva]

wait, what are you two discussing? I'm confused

[Robbnva]

Yes, that's it, thanks. I need to review but IIRC skitter correctly read both of us (I survived despite that due to a fake claim). If that's the case, and if I can get comfortable that skitter is town, then I can sheep her fish read.

oh, this.

I agree with tchill here. you shouldn't sheep somebody else's reads.

[Robbnva]

my problem with rabid is both of those posts came off as like he knew bef and wake are town. I'm not going to go as far as call them slips, but they just rub me the wrong way.

[Robbnva]

i'd rather have more certainty. I could easily fall into the trap of death tunneling you into oblivion. I wouldn't even cry at your funeral but I am sick of death tunneling only to be right 20% of the time. I don't have time to punish poor players, knowing they won't actually learn from their mistakes.

Once we start getting into the meat of the game and people start making serious accusations, I should hopefully be able to sniff through it all.

[Robbnva]

based on what I have seen so far, I honestly don't trust your judgement.

[Robbnva]

this is what I am talking about re rabid. He isn't trying to sort anyone.

This is also why I mentioned his playstyle shift. He was doing nothing at all. finally posts and ignores everything and quotes a possible rule violation. I point it out. Hectic poijnts it out, and skitter points it out.

his very next post he comes in starts shading me and being more aggressive.

[Robbnva]

this is what I am talking about re rabid. He isn't trying to sort anyone.

LOL - you don't think I've been sorting you?

no because by your own admission you voted me seriously in post 29 (for no reason mind you) and all your posts have been attacks/shading and no actual attempt to actually sort me. they are all conf. biased with me being scum. There is no objectivity.

[Robbnva]

What are your thoughts about what’s actually happened?

You're scum.

You try to misrep me as only coming in on the replace out issue. Fact is I had already changed my RVS vote to a serious vote on you due to your reaction to Hectic's posts, which clearly seemed to be joking or RT to me.

This is the 8th post in your iso ( I guess 9th cause it starts with 0 doesn't it?)

There is no evidence of sorting between your vote on me and this post.

[Robbnva]

Rabid. Why was I accused of misrepping you regarding the rule violation but you ignored hectic and skitter (who I honestly feel like if you are scum, you are trying to buddy here)

[Robbnva]

You’ve basically ignored game relevant discussion for something insignificant. If you think I broke a rule. Report me and move on. And ATE is NAI so you really should focus on more important things if you are town.

not a good post; you're basically interacting with the argument by pointing out a largely irrelevant detail

Enters to comment on potential rule breaking. No comment on anything game related

3 people notice. 1 person accused of misrepping

VOTE: rabid

It's very clear you aren't playing with a town mindset.

[Robbnva]

How do you know how I sort?

I can only go off what i see and your entire iso has been skewed towards me being scum. So you are either conf. biased or are scum. if you were sorting me, there would be more questions trying to understand my thought process.

[Robbnva]

There is no evidence of sorting between your vote on me and this post.

For crying out loud, it was page 5.

and? There is nothing between 5 and 10 that support you have retracted your read or shows you are actually trying to sort me.

I have death tunneled somebody for something they said on page 1 before. page 5 doesn't mean anything.

You wanted to poke the bull. You've got it. Now I will however death tunnel you in a friendly way. no toxicity from me anymore.

[Robbnva]

Rabid. Why was I accused of misrepping you regarding the rule violation but you ignored hectic and skitter (who I honestly feel like if you are scum, you are trying to buddy here)

Because I was sorting you, not hectic (who I have a town lean on) nor skitter (who IMO isn't sortable through pressure).

everything form you is shade me or accuse me of shading you. no attempt to understand my mindset or think about me from a town POV.

I also don't think you answered my question which is highly annoying.

Why can you shade whoever you want, but if somebody says something about you that is actually the truth, you brush it off as shading?

[Robbnva]

at this point you need to not worry about convincing me you are town. If I see you do something that makes me doubt my read on you, i'll change it but so far literally nothing you have done makes sense from town.

you speak to bef and wake like they are town
you seem to want to buddy skitter.
you chainsaw defend hectic
vote for things that most people know aren't AI and now I know you are an experienced player who should know better, it makes you look worse.
plus you claim you have tried to sort me, but there is nothing that shows it.

[Robbnva]

I can only go off what i see and your entire iso has been skewed towards me being scum. So you are either conf. biased or are scum. if you were sorting me, there would be more questions trying to understand my thought process.

You're projecting. Maybe you prefer to sort through gentle questioning, rather than pressure. I in general prefer pressure. And, my read on you has adjusted because of it.

that's rich considering you have been projecting most of the game. I also don't think your read on me has adjusted at all. I think you realized that i am not as easy to lynch as you first thought.

[Robbnva]

the me vs hectic isn't even anything serious. It's two playstyles clashing. You can't determine alignment from either of us based on what has been posted so far. anyone who claims they can is clearly lying to themselves or lying to us.

So...why did you engage in it? You just felt like providing cover for scum?

so what did i do between 1:16 pm east coast until 3:04 pm (span of a little over two hours) that changed your read on me?

point to the posts and explain it using words.

[Robbnva]

OK. Sorry to hear your mind is closed this early, but really we need to end this now anyway as I suspect it's TvT and providing cover for scum.

no. I am pretty sure you are scum sir. There has not been one genuine town thought process from you that i can tell.

[Robbnva]

I voted hectic. he and I had some discussions. rabid shows up in the middle and ignores it all and mentions a possible rule violation. Three players call him out on it. rabid accuses me of misrepping him but ignores the other two who essentially agreed with me. Most of rabid's posts have been shading/attacking me. I have tried to interact with everyone while also defending myself from untrue accusations.

most recently i outlined some of the scummy things rabid has done. The kicker for me was when he claimed he was trying to sort me yet his iso shows he clearly thinks I am scum and is treating me like he is scum. he now says his read on me has changed but there is nothing to explain why.

obviously my recap is biased but if you read, you will see that it is pretty close to an accurate assessment.

[Robbnva]

I am scum and is treating me like I am scum

fixed

[Robbnva]

You’ve basically ignored game relevant discussion for something insignificant. If you think I broke a rule. Report me and move on. And ATE is NAI so you really should focus on more important things if you are town.

not a good post; you're basically interacting with the argument by pointing out a largely irrelevant detail

Enters to comment on potential rule breaking. No comment on anything game related

3 people notice. 1 person accused of misrepping

VOTE: rabid

It's very clear you aren't playing with a town mindset.

he claims my post 73 is a misrep. if you read his iso, you can clearly see it wasn't a misrep but fact.

[Robbnva]

Seems like he's just screwing around to me.
VOTE: Robbnva

that will ultimately drive me to replace out if his behaviour continues.

You haven't noticed that this is against the rules?

or I can save you some time.

[Robbnva]

what are your reads on everyone else?

[Robbnva]

I saw one scum game where his posting was much different than it is here, and in that game he admitted that he was playing differently than usual.

link?

[Robbnva]

tbh, if I was scum I would be too afraid of changing my meta/playstyle. Obviously you have to just take my word for it but under one of my accounts (probably jfsf) I did try and change my play but I rolled scum and it is so much easier to bull in a china shop as scum than it is to experiment with a new playstyle. Everyone is automatically going to wonder why the change. As town i don't care how I am perceived. As scum I absolutely do.

[Robbnva]

and yes, I realize it's wifom but it's also true. Ask skitter and tchill. My scum game is strong

[Robbnva]

Look at the ban forum. They are all listed recently

[Robbnva]

Ban thread*

[Robbnva]

There are differences btw but they are subtle. That’s why I made to comment about your play reminding me of my own scum game. There is a huge difference.

[Robbnva]

In too deep so you can’t back out, huh?
I'm sorry if my behaviour is too “try hardy" for you.
Nah,

fuck that

, why should I be apologising for your shitty behaviour? I play this game to win. That means pointing out shit I find scummy, and not giving ANYONE a free pass.
You’re playing this game to win too, but from the MAFIA's side. You lurk around with your non-game progressing behaviour, and the

second

you see something easy to push, you’re in there like a fucking Nazi going to Argentina.

Intent to hammer if Rob ever hits L-1.

Self vote now?

[Robbnva]

Hope you’re feeling better. Looking forward to more content you and hopefully some others also.

@hectic. What do you make of rabid saying he was trying to sort me when his iso clearly shows he had already decided my alignment before he actually pressured me? How can this or any of his behavior tbh, be town?

I’m not on board with a Tchill lynch just in case anyone is hoping I’ll join. I have at least 4 names ahead of him on my lynch list.

[Robbnva]

I already asked him and he ignored it. Hopefully he answers you. In a span of two hours his read did a 180.

[Robbnva]

His logic actually hasn’t been sound. If anything tchill made a better arugument. Rabid wanting to “sort” skitter and then just sheep him is a terrible idea if town but that’s what he said he wanted to do. His fence sitting comments about tchill weren’t actually fence sitting imo. Not when he has knowledge of our play style.

All his reasons for pushing me were bad. His reasons for tchill look bad. I doubt anyone can find one solid argument he’s made.

[Robbnva]

but you’re in my lynch list and he was chainsaw defending you so I don’t expect you to actually evaluate him honestly. He’s either pocketed you are you’re scum with him.

[Robbnva]

there was no need to take a stance though. Early game and two hot heads are doing what they normally do (according to him. I can’t speak on your play). Smart play is don’t encourage it. Don’t stoke the fire. Look elsewhere.

People hate tvt fights. Rabid stoked the fire. He took a side without even attempting to sort. Then later when it seems that I may not be lynched. His read has changed. He still hasn’t tried to sort me.


Remember when I said rabid is sort of playing my scum game? my scum game is to push surface level scummy behavior and make people think it’s not. He’s pushing surface level scummy behavior and he tries to stoke the fire in me vs you. He’s done no actual sorting.

[Robbnva]

If we were two days til deadline and somebody was fence sitting, then I’d listen to that argument. Not irl day 2 when half the player list hasn't posted.

[Robbnva]

But seriously. Nobody even the participants really want to be in a back and forth for 20 pages. How can anyone sort who is scum and town?

That’s why I tried to back out of it even though it made you drop your read from high town to less town. They suck. Nobody wants to read it (look at bob asking for a summary).

Rabid’s point isn’t as good as you think it is. Keep your read on him if you want but if you’re town really dig deeper at things. That’s why it took so long for me to even vote him. I could see misguided town accusing me these things but eventually it was one bad thing on top of another. Mix in a little hypocrisy and bold face lies and I just don’t see town anymore.

[Robbnva]

I’m going to log off for the night. Had a long day, don’t feel well and I’ve definitely posted way too much already.

Hopefully wake/skitter/Bob/bef/and Garmr post more

[Robbnva]

youre accusing me of poor scum play now.

You're playing awfully and scummily so what am i supposed to think?

Yet you town read rabid?

Rabid’s play here if actually town is terrible. He claims he was trying to sort me which is clearly false. He’s pushing things that aren’t scummy or AI. He hasn’t made a single valid point or push all game.

[Robbnva]

If rabid or hectic isn’t getting lynched today I really will be disappointed.

[Robbnva]

Skitter. Please explain how you can town read rabid for the following

1. Saying I misrepped when I mentioned he ignored the me/hectic discussion and instead commented on a rule violation but doesn’t accuse you or hectic who also did that.

2. Hard Scum reads me after that, twisting everything I do as scummy, then claims he’s tried to sort me and does a 180 on me in the span of 2 hours without any natural progression and won’t answer how/why his read changed.

Let’s start with those. I can find way more things but i want to see how you explain these as town when imo no way town would do either of these.

[Robbnva]

Why didn’t you say that earlier ? You flat out ignored me when I asked.

[Robbnva]

I’m so afraid town is going to lose if they can’t see rabid is scum.

[Robbnva]

I’ll be back in a day or two. There isn’t much else I can add to today’s day phase.

[Robbnva]

it's really annoying, and scummy when a player says players are scummy without explaining why even when asked. It is also annoying when a player doesn't explain why they are town reading people and when shown really damning evidence to counter the town read and is asked to comment on it, ignores it completlt.

I have revised my lynch list to rabid/skitter/hectic/wake in that order. I actually think skitter may move ahead at some point because I don't see myself agreeing with much of anything she has said this entire game and the fact that she blatantly ignores important questions and can't be bothered to actually explain why she has the reads she has, leans super scummy.

Town should be transparent as possible. That is what i have been all game. When a player is asked to explain why they think somebody is scummy and refuses by way of ignoring, that isn't town. The fact that i even had to ask her to explain also tends to lean scum not town.

I can't move my vote off rabid though cause she has done three very damning things that can never come from town.

1. accusing me of misrepping for saying something that is 100% true but doesn't give the same accusation to the two others who did it.

2. claims he tried to sort me despite there being no evidence of that in her iso

3. does a 180 in less than two hours without any sort of natural progression.

if people want to ignore these, that is fine. i really don't care anymore but I can't ignore these things. I also can't ignore the fact that skitter refuses to explain herself, and ignored requests to show how she can town read rabid after doing these despicable things.

[Robbnva]

robb, do you get pronouns wrong intentionally?

no

[Robbnva]

You're doing scum things.

if you are town, you have already shown that you don't know the difference so how can you say such a thing?

[Robbnva]

I'm taking a day off (and unlike some people I'll actually do it). I've posted enough for now. Others need to step it up.

before you go can you explain your hypocrisy regarding the early accusation when you accused me of misrepping you but didn't do the same to two others who did the same as me?

can you also explain how you can say you sorted me when you actually didn't even try?

can you also explain how in the matter of 2 hours you did a 180 without any explanation or attempt to show a natural read progression?

[Robbnva]

I dont really have anything to say about this
Rabid can think you might have misrepped him even though that wasnt your intent, your intent doesnt particularly change how he may have read it initially

three people say the same thing, only one gets accused of misrepping and you don't have an issue?

yes you are scum

[Robbnva]

I dont think 1 or 2 are scummy in this context. You're just pulling out things you dont like, doesnt nake them scummy just because you call them that
Like i dont inherently view either of these as scummy tbh. So i dont know how to answer this questio

you don't find issues with any of those things yet you find me scummy for..... oh you refuse to explain.

no sorry. This is your scum game.


scum team is rabid/skitter

everyone can we please lynch one of these two players. I beg of you.

[Robbnva]

this game is going to give me an ulcer.

[Robbnva]

I haven't seen a single thing that suggests rabid is town. Started off chainsaw defending. He avoided game discusssion, shifted his playstyle after not 1, not two, but THREE people call him out on ignoring game content. He accuses the first person (me) of misrepping him, which is blatantly false, and doesn't say anything about the other two, in fact town reads one and claims he wants to figure out alignment of the third so he can sheep him, but doesn't attempt to sort that player. He continues to push me as scum. Not he thinks I am scum, I flat out am scum. AND THEN later claims that he has been sorting me the entire time. So somehow saying I am scum and twisting everything I do into scum motivatrion was sorting me which is a crock of S if you ask me. Then when it seems like people are backing away from pushing me, he also backs away from his read and does a 180 without any sort of natural read progression.

That is scum or really really bad town play.

Skitter justifies all of this as town play.

So they are scum together, or skitter is Wk'ing rabid. Either way rabid needs death because if town, he will cost us the game because it is very clear they do not know how to play. Skitter town reading all of that and refusing to explain how he got his reads also doesn't look like town play. I know skitter isn't a bad player so the only conclusion I have is skitter is scum.


Yes i wish others were here to actually see all of this but in my mind I just can't see town motivation. If somebody wants to try and show me how either of their play can be town, I am willing to listen but I can't see it.

Actually in this scenario, skitter is scum no matter what.

VOTE: skitter

[Robbnva]

rabid said post 73 was me misrepping him.73 is completely factual. Three people call out the behaviour, but only I get accused of misrepping him.

You’ve basically ignored game relevant discussion for something insignificant. If you think I broke a rule. Report me and move on. And ATE is NAI so you really should focus on more important things if you are town.

not a good post; you're basically interacting with the argument by pointing out a largely irrelevant detail

Enters to comment on potential rule breaking. No comment on anything game related

3 people notice. 1 person accused of misrepping

VOTE: rabid

It's very clear you aren't playing with a town mindset.

he claims my post 73 is a misrep. if you read his iso, you can clearly see it wasn't a misrep but fact.

[Robbnva]

Robb i always think you're scummy and have no idea how to read you, so i default to just not. I'm not really pushing you and i havent particularly been trying to engage you either

Why do u think this is my scumgame

you can't read me so you default to not reading me, yet you have actually given a read on me without any sort of justification of this read and you want to know why I think this is your scum game?

or the fact that i showed you three things that can almost never come from town and you just say, oh yeah those are townie.

This is your scum game because I honestly don't think you as town play this poorly.

[Robbnva]

You're scum.

You try to misrep me as only coming in on the replace out issue.

[Robbnva]

no I can't. I see no possible way you are town here.

I will log out so I can stop posting. I have nothing more to add. if town wants to vote outside of rabid/skitter and want my help, they need to somehow justify how either of their play is town.

[Robbnva]

Robb i always think you're scummy and have no idea how to read you, so i default to just not

and you do you. cause this is a lie because you already sorted me. You just won't explain how/why you got that read...

town should be transparent. town should at least explain how they got it when asked. town should not ignore the request to explain...


you honestly want me to believe you are doing this as town? how can I believe you? You are hurting the game by refusing to explain yourself.

[Robbnva]

Rabid. Why was I accused of misrepping you regarding the rule violation but you ignored hectic and skitter (who I honestly feel like if you are scum, you are trying to buddy here)

Because I was sorting you, not hectic (who I have a town lean on) nor skitter (who IMO isn't sortable through pressure).

but if I spoke truth. how can you falsely accuse me of misrepping you and say that was you sorting me?

saying somebody IS scum and making false accusations at them isn't sorting. You already sorted me... somehow

[Robbnva]

you know how you beat yourself up about the fact that you shouldnt tunnel but you do?

you gotta keep in mind other players are capable of the same types of mistakes and that they'll push them because in that moment it is a logical sound thought they came up with they can back with reasoning just like you and your tunnel.

technically I am not tunneling anyone this game. The old me would still be voting hectic.

OPEN CHALLENGE TO ANYONE

spin this as coming from town.

I haven't seen a single thing that suggests rabid is town. Started off chainsaw defending. He avoided game discusssion, shifted his playstyle after not 1, not two, but THREE people call him out on ignoring game content. He accuses the first person (me) of misrepping him, which is blatantly false, and doesn't say anything about the other two, in fact town reads one and claims he wants to figure out alignment of the third so he can sheep him, but doesn't attempt to sort that player. He continues to push me as scum. Not he thinks I am scum, I flat out am scum. AND THEN later claims that he has been sorting me the entire time. So somehow saying I am scum and twisting everything I do into scum motivatrion was sorting me which is a crock of S if you ask me. Then when it seems like people are backing away from pushing me, he also backs away from his read and does a 180 without any sort of natural read progression.

[Robbnva]

I'm not sure what you think i havent explained at the moment?
I said your playstyle feels scummy to me

this is something i'd expect from scum though. Certainly you can explain what I have done that is scummy.

You do know scum can't scumhunt right? Not being able to explain how you got a read on me shows no evidence of scum hunting or attempting to sort.

[Robbnva]

so you are ok with rabid saying I misrepped him but not accusing you and hectic of the same meerly because he thought i was scum and you two were probably town?

That is town mindset?

Or the fact he flat out called me scum without attempting to sort me but then later claims he had tried to?

these are just play style differences and not really scummy?

These aren't bold face lies in an attempt to cover his own ass?

[Robbnva]

and I apologize for cursing. I have made a vow to not curse on here anymore since you can be banned for cursing.

[Robbnva]

Rabid. Why was I accused of misrepping you regarding the rule violation but you ignored hectic and skitter (who I honestly feel like if you are scum, you are trying to buddy here)

Because I was sorting you, not hectic (who I have a town lean on) nor skitter (who IMO isn't sortable through pressure).

[Robbnva]

his response is a lie for two reasons.

1. false accusations aren't sorting people
2. In that same post he called me scum. This implies he already sorted me.

don't worry about it skitter. I know now you are either wk'ing rabid (least likely) or scum with him (more likely)

it's too late for you to save face with me. Maybe others will be fooled.

[Robbnva]

@tchill why is it almost every game I play, people start shit with me?

[Robbnva]

I'm taking a day off (and unlike some people I'll actually do it). I've posted enough for now. Others need to step it up.

[Robbnva]

Nobody can accuse me of death tunneling this game. I’ve voted 3 different people and wiling to vote a 4th.

[Robbnva]

The wagon was only growing on you because of my reasoning and people could see I'm right. Find a opinion before mine that's not rabid. They are sheeping me because i'm one of the most competent scum hunters this game.

Congrats. You got hectic to sheep you. Are you really bragging about that? Cause he’s been a fairly useless player all game. His best contributions was back when he was pushing me.

[Robbnva]

Guys. I read the spoiler. He said he’s mafia goon

[Robbnva]

While he’s not on my lynch list I agree with pressure. That Tchill wagon is terrible. How he can side with rabid ego to me is essentially caught scum and hectic just doesn’t make any sense.

[Robbnva]

who*

[Robbnva]

don't worry about it skitter. I know now you are either wk'ing rabid (least likely) or scum with him (more likely)

if i'm scum irregardless of rabid's alignment, why arent' you voting me?

I am and have been since before that post you just quoted.

Still refusing to explain your reads. How can you say you’re town and do that?

[Robbnva]

@Skitter

Care to give us a shotgun read on everyone?

robb - scummy
tchill - probably townie but i disagree with a lot of what he's saying
wake - idk / null
hectic - townie (?)
rabid - i think i was townreading him earlier but i'm not really anymore. now he's just null
garmr - townier than null
bef - townie
bob - null/no read

i understand that i have too many townreads; the ones i'm least certain of are garmr and hectic

I’m your only scummy read and you won’t explain why...

That’s a huge red flag.

[Robbnva]

Please can we just lynch skitter. This isn’t town mindset. First he should have more than one scum read by now.

[Robbnva]

Second he can’t explain why I’m scummy

[Robbnva]

Logs in. Sees rabid or skitter aren’t being voted. Logs out.

[Robbnva]

@Robb I noticed you haven't really talked about me or taking a stance. I'm getting paranoid that your scum waiting to see if I get traction like a past experience I don't want to talk about at the moment. So how about we talk to sort each other out.

I’ve got 4 people on my lynch list already. I think that’s enough for day 1. I’m not going to vote you today so I don’t think we need to sort each other today. I’ve posted enough for you go sort me and I’ll answer any questions you ask of me.

[Robbnva]

I would ask skitter why she townreads Garmr but I know he will refuse

[Robbnva]

Which one?

[Robbnva]

I’m pretty sure half the game has. Me/bob/bed/Tchill/skitter all posted after that post.

I saw it. It didn’t reveal anything about the game imo so I better not be removed or anything.

[Robbnva]

bef*

[Robbnva]

VOTE: hectic

[Robbnva]

Unfortunately the reason why got deleted and probably can’t talk about but it’s enough for me to lynch today. I don’t see this slot being town.

[Robbnva]

its just the guy that was playing the slot robb.

he fake replaced out and claimed that made him conf.town. Sure it's just the guy playing the slot but I was already suspicious of the slot before. nobody wants to lynch anyone I want to lynch so does it really matter?

I am not lynching you, garmr, or bob today but that is where the discussion is heading so I can at least be true to myself.

Skitter is most likely scum. Probably the person who deserves to be lynched the most. Rabid could go also. Only one in my lynch list that I don't scum read is wake but that is just policy. He claims he will be useful day 2, but based on past experience that will most likely not be true.

[Robbnva]

When he jumped off he voted wake instead of me or hectic. If he was actually concerned with getting reads ect like his trying to portray himself he wouldn't park his slot on a lurker. If he voted me then instead of after I found issue with it or he voted hectic I wouldn't have a problem as he would be wrong but at least consistent. It's like his playing safe instead of finding scum.

I really don't see why this is AI. Why would he vote you/hectic at that point? Seems like you are nitpicking here.

[Robbnva]

park his slot on a lurker

but you called it opportunistic???

It was, you should of voted me or hectic. It just seemed like it was a opportunity to hide. Also if you were actually scum reading me you missed something which you could be picking at.

parking on a lurker isn't opportunistic. hopping on a growing wagon without reason is. Hopefully you will explain the logic behind why you think he should have voted you or hectic. I don't get this.

[Robbnva]

The only reason was to lynch a lurker.
This is the only reason to vote wake. Note the word reason.

why are you acting like pressuring lurkers isn't a thing? Do you think he seriously wanted to lynch him?

[Robbnva]

Tchill why are you flailing hard now?

why the false accusation? I don't see anyone flailing

hmm, maybe I do need to update my lynch list...

[Robbnva]

Also you said you had scum reads so why vote park a lurker when you could of pressured a scum read.

you are too experienced to make this post.

[Robbnva]

Why do people feel the need to say how they would play IF they were scum?

self brag/self defense that's why. I usually ignore it. I think this actually fits into skitter's wheel house as scum.

[Robbnva]

I do think tchill vs garmr could be TvT tbh.

part of me wants to believe this but I just think garmr's reasons are really bad.

[Robbnva]

If garmr gets votes, I'd hammer but I still prefer Skitter/Rabid/hectic

[Robbnva]

ok we need to make some sort of progress
VOTE: bob

how does this make progress exactly? Starting a new wagon seems to be the opposite of making progress

[Robbnva]

how does voting bob achieve that? You can't sort by asking questions?

[Robbnva]

To try to start sorting him and putting pressure on him, sorting != asking questions ...

So sort of like what tchill did with wake...

[Robbnva]

Sorry I confused you with Garmr. My apologies

[Robbnva]

That vote does prove what I was saying though. It’s not opportunistic to do that.

[Robbnva]

I thought you were garmr who accused tchill of being opportunistic by voting wake. You have essentially done a similar thing that tchill did and I thought that was hypocritical, but you are obviously not Garmr.

ignore me.

I do wait to see what garmr has to say about your vote. He either has to retract his tchill accusation OR accuse you of being opportunistic.

[Robbnva]

I’m bob v skitter after skitter said bob is scummy. Bob comes out looking better. Skitter has this problem explaining things which is incredibly scum motivated.

[Robbnva]

The fact skitter can’t explain his reads is super red flagish.

Town has to be transparent. Town has to be able to explain themselves. Scum have to hide their reasons.

[Robbnva]

Again, i'm a she, can you stop doing that ????

Also, robb, you keep telling me i havent explained my read on you, when i have, at least three times.

What dont you think i've failed to answer, exactly?

At this point i almost feel like you're trying to make me annoyed ...

Sorry. When I type I don’t think about gender. If there was a better universal word to describe somebody I’d use it for everyone.

Sorry “your play is scummy” is all you’ve said and that isn’t a reason. I’ve asked you to explain your reads on like 3 people and you don’t.

My play is scummy because... is what most people would do. You’re being extremely vague and lazy and I don’t see grown doing it to this degree.

[Robbnva]

Also expecting game advancing posts on page 1 is an unrealistic expectation. Your try hard doesn’t earn you any credit so relax and have fun.

Since when you do even game advancing posts?

Can you possibly reword this? It’s gibberish right now.

[Robbnva]

So Robbnva town

So we must have 6v3

Why am I town?

[Robbnva]

My play is scummy because... is what most people would do. You’re being extremely vague and lazy and I don’t see grown doing it to this degree.

Interesting you left this part.

You’re supposed to point to specific things and say this is scummy and why. I can’t defend myself from vague accusations. Scum make vague accusations.

VOTE: skitter

Please can we lynch HER

[Robbnva]

I made a mistake coming back. I’ll log out again.

[Robbnva]

Skitter is the one refusing over and over and over and over to explain herself and I’m the one gaslighting?

I’m Seriously done with this day 1.

[Robbnva]

What the heck? Toxic? Please I haven’t come close to being toxic. It’s not unreasonable to ask somebody to explain why they scum read me. Or why they town read others. Skitter still avoids doing it. Even now she doesn’t say anything other than “your play is scummy”.

That accusation is unacceptable and a flat out lie. I haven’t crossed any lines. I haven’t done anything unreasonable. You have crossed a line and are now being toxic by falsely accuse me of being toxic.

[Robbnva]

And the fact you said that after the mod just issued a warning means you have no morals. I’ll never play with you again. I don’t even want to play this game anymore.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: rabid

He goes or I go. I’m not playing another day phase with somebody who resorts to below the belt accusations

[Robbnva]

Garmr plz stop, you're contributing to the toxicity

since I am being accused of being toxic due to your refusal to answer my questions. Can you please stop contributing to the toxicity?

Thank you

[Robbnva]

I Vote lynch skitter or rabid
I vote vig the other or creature

[Robbnva]

The only toxic people this game are me and tchill if i'm going to be honest.

Yes I agree. That’s why I’m freaking pissed at rabid to dare accuse me right after the mod issues a warning.

I honestly am losing the will to play and that was like the straw that broke me. Rabid needs death today or I do.

[Robbnva]

That’s why I’m freaking pissed at rabid to dare accuse me right after the mod issues a warning.

Didja ever consider that I reply as I read and I hadn't seen the mod's warning yet? Apparently not. Such assumptions are part of the toxicity, but it's mostly about repetition.

I did but considering the post you responded to was on the same page and the warning and the warning was in big purple letters and was made two hours before your post, no I refuse to believe you did not see it.

You are completely out of line. I have not done a damn thing toxic. Want me to link you to a game where I caused half the player list to replace out due to my toxicity? I can show you toxic.

I can make this game toxic if you want. If I have to deal with both you and skitter day two, I honestly don't think I can behave anymore.

[Robbnva]

*as the warning

[Robbnva]

I have not done a single toxic thing this game. If you think pressuring a scum read is toxic. mafia is not the game for you.

[Robbnva]

Skitter can not give concrete reasons why she has her reads. Every player should be concerned about this. Me pressuring her to explain herself isn't toxic. Hiding behind "gut" is a cop out. You can explain what gave you the gut feels. You can link a post and say, oh this is bad because of abc. she isn't doing that. Lack of transparency is scummy.

Go play chess.

[Robbnva]

btw, @ everyone - Hectic fake replaced out and told his replacement to claim macho cop. The mod deleted the post and issued a warning and hectic claimed that made him confirmed town. I feel like this information is useful. I wish the mod would not have deleted the post. bob and bef saw that post and can confirm.

[Robbnva]

btw, @ everyone - Hectic fake replaced out and told his replacement to claim macho cop. The mod deleted the post and issued a warning and hectic claimed that made him confirmed town. I feel like this information is useful. I wish the mod would not have deleted the post. bob and bef saw that post and can confirm.

[Robbnva]

This fighting needs to stop.

All it does is benefit Scum.

your lurking also needs to stop. All it does is benefit scum if you are actually town. Play the game please.

[Robbnva]

I can't unsee it and it is game relevance. If the mod force replaces me she will be doing me a favor at this point.