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I don’t typically rvs. This is a bad reason to scumread somebody.
Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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In post 22, Hectic wrote:Taking notes of others' VLAs ? Feigning non-apathy and enthusiasm.
Scumlean.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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looked serious enough to me for a page 2 vote. I'm good with my vote.
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Not at all. I have no need to back out. I stand behind what I said. I like my vote.In post 33, Hectic wrote:In too deep so you can’t back out, huh?Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Nobody asked you to apologize. I haven’t had shitty behavior so not sure what you’re talking about. I haven’t lurked either. Why the grasping as straws and misreps over one vote?In post 33, Hectic wrote:In too deep so you can’t back out, huh?
I'm sorry if my behaviour is too “try hardy" for you.
Nah,fuck that, why should I be apologising for your shitty behaviour? I play this game to win. That means pointing out shit I find scummy, and not giving ANYONE a free pass.
You’re playing this game to win too, but from the MAFIA's side. You lurk around with your non-game progressing behaviour, and thesecondyou see something easy to push, you’re in there like a fucking Nazi going to Argentina.
Intent to hammer if Rob ever hits L-1.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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1. OverreactingIn post 39, Hectic wrote:Policy for what? This game is all about passion.
2. Lying
3. Misrepping
4. Bring rude/unpolite
5. Being generally unpleasant
I could probably go on but don’t think I need to.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Also Did you really accuse me of going after something easy to push? Try Harding and calming non ai things scummy are like things I’ve legit see scum do. I say SUP and don’t try to advance the game on page one ever game I play, as well as more then 75% of the players on the site. So if anyone is attacking easy things it’s you sirProudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Interesting. That’s what I did also but you doing it makes you town but I’m somehow mafia? How does that work exactly?In post 33, Hectic wrote:I play this game to win. That means pointing out shit I find scummy, and not giving ANYONE a free pass.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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I wanted to say one more thing and then I will move on. This line.In post 33, Hectic wrote:and the second you see something easy to push, you’re in there like a fucking Nazi going to Argentina.
1. voting you isn't agressive
2. nothing I have done thus far is even close to agressive by anyone's standards
3. You are about as close to accurate saying I am bing agressive as pluto is to earth. You should just count your blessings I was banned from newbie games and because of that I am making a conscious effort to change my play because if I was actually aggressive, i'd not only make you break down in tears, but half the player list would replace out because of how toxic it would get.
4. This definitely feels like you are projecting your behaviours on to me because between the two of us, you are the aggressor not me. Voting somebody I think is scummy isn't aggressive play. Never has been and never will be.
I really need to stop reading your posts for a while, they are like the gifts that just keep giving.
NOW
In the event that you are actually town, please dial it back a notch. Please also don't make nazi references I'd also appreciate it if you dial back on the cursing. Passionate is fine, being toxic isn't. I have no qualms reporting behavior I feel is inappropriate or offensive.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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the changes I am making is 1. try not to curse at people. 2. try not to death tunnel 3. try to get along with everyone 4. have fun. That last one is the real kicker. I got so competitive that I just stopped being me. so don't be surprised if you see me make a lot of off topic jokes in addition to on topic posts. That is me irl
that said, I can't change core me. Of course I was going to vote hectic. I will keep my vote on him probably until I see something worse. Right now he is just such an unpleasant person to be around. My wife is jewish so the N word really crossed a line. I am glad the mod spoke up. Kudos to the mod. If hectic wants to start playing well with others, I will think about un-voting but to be honest as of page 3, nobody else besides him has done anything scummy so it's no brainer to vote him.
I honestly can't see scum doing what hectic is doing, but then again I know how I play as scum so nothing surprises me. For now though he is like 20% scum/ 80% toxic player that will ultimately drive me to replace out if his behaviour continues.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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lol, get out of my brain.In post 52, Tchill13 wrote:I do expect slurs and a replace out at some point. idk from whom but maybe i'll be wrong.
I really does hope he does get better. These ques are taking forever to play and I need mafia to take my mind off my irl shit. Sitting waiting for games to fill suck assProudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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@tchill I honestly don’t know enough about this player or their tendencies but I’ll definitely monitor their play. For now just on policy for the reasons I’ve given and because I don’t see anything else yet, I’m sticking with my vote. You’ll be glad to know I won’t be engaging in fights with that player either. Fighting is overratedProudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Town, when they see an opportunity is going to do the same thing. Seeing something scummy is an opportunity. You did something (many something) scummy.In post 61, Hectic wrote:OK, guys. So I sat down and took a breather, and I feel a lot better now.
Sometimes I get way too into the game, and my emotions get the better of me. At its heart, this game is all about accusing each other which makes it a very passionate and emotional game, and really, that's why I love it so much.
But sometimes, I do let go of the reigns and I can spin out of control as a result.
Don't worry though, my horse is okay and I am firmly back on, reigns in hand. Hope to have a pleasant game with y'all.
Anyway, let me change what I said to Rob to "as soon as he saw an opportunity, he was in there to push me like a mouse going for cheese."
Hope that's better. Will talk about reads later.
You can deny that you did anything scummy, but that doesn’t make it true. How do you determine I’m scum vs I’m town? You didn’t even try to sort me. That’s scummy also.
Town should be trying to sort first before accusing somebody of being mafia. You didn’t. You accused first.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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You and skitter saw it. I just was making sure I wasn’t biasedIn post 78, Hectic wrote:Go on.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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I don’t understand what the issue of using the word legit is. It’s not a slip and I don’t see how anyone could think it was.In post 84, Hectic wrote:
Rob?In post 78, Hectic wrote:Bowl of Cereal - Skitter:
I normally write off most "scumslips", but this one is kinda interesting, and I wouldn't mind hearing Rob elaborate on his use of that word there.In post 77, skitter30 wrote:In post 45, Robbnva wrote:
Try Harding and calming non ai things scummy are like things I’ve legit see scum do.
lowkey feels like a perspective slip.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Well people have accused people of things that are nai. You being one of them. Me saying what I said and using legit (besides the fact that legit is part of my vocabulary) means that the stuff I find scummy are things I’ve actually seen scum do. Instead of using a long work like actually, I say legit. If y’all want to call it a slip go ahead but it isn’t. Your line of thinking doesn’t even make sense on a logical or even common sense level so I’m not going to worry about it.In post 88, Hectic wrote:If you're scum, you use 'legit' there if you forget you're speaking from a townie's perspective, and speak from scum's perspective where you're trying to convince people that even though you're scum, this thing you're pointing out is legit scummy.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Well yes using emphasis words like actually and legit do help get the point across. That was what I was trying to do. I’m using things scum do making my vote legit. He’s using non AI stuff making his suspicions not legit.In post 89, skitter30 wrote:legit see scum do' is basically saying: i'm trying to add credibility to this read by comparing what hectic is doing here to what i have actually seen scum do in the past
I don’t see how that’s a slip though. Town have to be convincingProudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Yeah I know. It’s happened a bunch of times before and nobody ever believes me so I don’t worry about it.In post 94, Hectic wrote:Just so you know, I don't think it's a slip, and I don't really believe in semantic scumslips anyway.
Most "scumslips" are just odd word choices by townies that get nitpicked.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Responding to somebody /discussing it isn’t worrying. Nice try though.In post 106, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:Except...this entire post is you worrying about it.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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You should probably learn the definition of straw man before before using it. That isn’t an example of straw manIn post 107, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:Yes, that's what I thought as well. The "legit" line of discussion seems like a straw man distraction.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Cause reactions are usually nai.In post 109, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:Why can't you reaction test someone by accusing them and seeing how they react?Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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I can actually. I can do whatever I want. Reaction tests are almost never reliable cause you have to know how somebody reacts as town and scum. Just cause you see a reaction you don’t like doesn’t mean that person is scum or even scummy.
Ate is nai cause town use ate also. You can’t determine alignment by ate and that’s been proven over and over.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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I wasn’t asking you. I’m not scum And I didn’t misrep you. You avoided the entire discussion and harped on something irrelevant. I wasn’t the only one who noticed.In post 113, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:
You're scum.In post 74, Robbnva wrote:What are your thoughts about what’s actually happened?
You try to misrep me as only coming in on the replace out issue. Fact is I had already changed my RVS vote to a serious vote on you due to your reaction to Hectic's posts, which clearly seemed to be joking or RT to me.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Not even close.In post 116, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:
This appears to be exactly what you accused me of doing with the rule break accusation.In post 110, Robbnva wrote:
You should probably learn the definition of straw man before before using it. That isn’t an example of straw manIn post 107, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:Yes, that's what I thought as well. The "legit" line of discussion seems like a straw man distraction.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Nobody yet has said my reasons were nai. If somebody wants to argue that it would be one thing but that’s not the argument people are making.In post 119, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:You seem to think that it's valid to read people in part based on things you've seen scum do. Yet, when I do just that, you argue that ti's invalid.
Ate actually is nai though. If you don’t agree that’s fine. You can use whatever you want but I use ate as both alignments and so do many other people. Mafia gets emotional at times. The ate argument has been disproven.
You’re comparing apples to oranges here.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Yes I am.In post 121, Hectic wrote:You still happy with your vote on me, Robb?Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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I mean this sort of makes you a hypocrite. You were guilty of fence sitting. You only came off the fence after getting called out by me and others.In post 125, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:Five posts by tchill making comments on hectic v. robb while adding nothing and staying safely on the fence:
Spoiler:Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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I really didn’t consider that a real vote. But I was referring to how he came in and ignored the discussion that happened. He focused on something irrelevant. That’s fence sittingIn post 131, Hectic wrote:How is this fencesitting?
VOTE: Robb
Wake still needs to come on and do something though.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Don’t have one yet.
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also I really don't think he is making good points. He mentions strawman but clearly he doesn't know what that means cause i didn't make an illogical argument. If anything I was countering an illogical one with a logical one. Not liking my reaction is fine but like I said, unless you know how somebody reacts to pressure, you can't know if a reaction is AI. The AtE argument is also bad because AtE has been proven time and time again as being NAI. For me, bad reactions and AtE is my standard play. Tchill already mentioned that I am reacting exactly how he expected me to which should support what i am saying.
I realize nobody is going to believe me at face value but anyone who has played with me or any of my alts could probably confirm. I am pretty sure I have played with everyone but you and schnauzer.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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I wouldn't say what i am doing as casting shade. I am merely providing my opinions about your play. I am an emotional player and in the past I would scum read anyone and everyone who scum read me or said something about me that isn't true. That is a bad way to play and it's something I am working on.In post 134, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:So, despite all the shade you're casting my way, you don't find me scummier than anyone else. Interesting.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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it just felt like a pressure vote. I didn't think you legit scum read me. Not enough reason to legit scum read me at that point.In post 135, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:
Why not? I had already made a RVS vote. I then changed to another person and gave a reason. That's usually considered a real vote.In post 132, Robbnva wrote:I really didn’t consider that a real vote.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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while I agree that tchill probably should start adding content, I don't really see this as fence sitting. tchill knows how I am a player. It seems tchill knows how hectic is as a player. If I was playing how I normally do, this game would already be at page 20 of me and hectic fighting back and forth.In post 125, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:Five posts by tchill making comments on hectic v. robb while adding nothing and staying safely on the fence:
tchill is a weird player. Sometimes he does stuff, sometimes he doesn't. I played a game with him where i was scum and he was town, and even as scum i was frustrated by his town play because he had reads and never explained how he got them. he had no basis for them.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Also if we want to get technical, your vote on me could have easily just been a chainsaw defense of hectic.In post 135, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:
Why not? I had already made a RVS vote. I then changed to another person and gave a reason. That's usually considered a real vote.In post 132, Robbnva wrote:I really didn’t consider that a real vote.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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I don't agree. I can't speak for hectic, but tchill knows I can actually copy my town meta as scum. there isn't enough to see to get a read on me.In post 143, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:Since tchill knows you both, that's even more reason he should have a position on your 1v1.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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why is the truth scummy af?In post 144, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:
Scummy AF.In post 142, Robbnva wrote:hectic - what do you make of schnauzer's playstyle shift after getting called out? ignore the points he made because tbh the points he made could be made as either alignment, does the playstyle shift itself concern you?Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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again, telling the truth isn't casting shade. I am sorry if you think so but the facts remain. before me and 2 others call you out your only real contribution is "you broke a rule" after that you decide to contribute.In post 151, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:
Nah, you're not casting shade...In post 149, Robbnva wrote:before three people mentioned
Those are facts. take it however you want but that is what happened.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Robbnva Jack of All Trades
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Robbnva Jack of All Trades
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