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[bob3141]

I vote the lucky number VOTE: Pops

[bob3141]

You shall never trust birds
VOTE: Penguin

Then why arnt you voting gobble then. Do you have something against flightless birds

[bob3141]

You shall never trust birds
VOTE: Penguin

Hes right

I'm worrying about what you have got against birds.

[bob3141]

Next youll be having ago at the flowers

[bob3141]

now the question is will turkey vote for christmas.


i fear we may lose gooble in two days time

[bob3141]

VOTE: Turkey

[bob3141]

ill start serously playing tommorrow.

Now teh question is if gooble is infact scum is he the one who hid all the gravy. Or is he town trying to stop the mislynch of turkeys on christmas

[bob3141]

VOTE: bob

Is there a game yet you havent scum read me. Im not the one with knife, no who ever is scum stole teh carving knife and is trying to use it both kill us and stop us carving up their scum partner

[bob3141]

VOTE: Turkey

VOTE: Bob

Locking my vote here

And what your justification for as you say lockign your vote here. Not to sure what you mean by locked but im assuming you mean that you cant see it moving. Its not a joke vote unlike mine. SO there must be some reason behind it?

After all if it does mean your sure on it, I find that quite odd after all were not even through the first day.

[bob3141]

Can’t believe u guys stole the pagetop again smh

Do you not like editing them into the pagetop after the fact?

I really like the name Frank.

Nah, I always feel like if I lost the pagetop then I lost it fair and fair, spoils to the victor

lets all have page top war with the mod

[bob3141]

post 82 was you responding to me asking if you were scum with BBMolla and in context you were naked voting Bob and ignoring my case on BBMolla so the subtext is I wanted you to comment on it and instead you just claim scum

again, what kind of answer to that were you expecting ?
you literally asked me if i'm scum with someone

if you wanted more commentary on my bob vote or your bbmolla thing you could have just asked

well you coulnt give more commentry on your vote for me. If you are town then at best its just unsubstantiated guess as you have played with me before and last game i outright told you i dint take the first day serously. So what ever i could have done at worst could be taken as NIA.

And even if you claim its vote to force content. Anyone thats played a few games with me knows that I always within the first 2 or 3 days of the game anyway. (2nd if weekend, 3rd if its in middle of my workign week)

[bob3141]

I am thinking right now that Pops is town and Skitter might be town.

VOTE: Bob3141

So how does you think those two are town lead to a vote on me.

Is you reasoning linked to those 2 town reads. As even if you had prior to that vote you had been voting for oen of them. Why me over all others. As apart from replys to my joke comments ive not seen any games related commentry on me from you

[bob3141]

Scum team is rb and Frank

you say that with certainty what has lead you to such a certai conclusion so soon into the game

[bob3141]

Bob you seen quite quick to challenge votes on you in this game. I don't recall that from when we last played. Maybe you did, it just seems to stand out given how early we are in this game

I always challange any vote for any player if i dont see enough reasoning behind it. If you can get them to unveil their reasoning its easier to see what there motivation might be.

Plus i dont think ive realy been voted much apart from the game i was lynched on day one. Over what turned out to be a correct meta scum read.

[bob3141]

in general / overall / taking into account a variety of factors the overall/high-level picture of the situation

i.e. here i mean that after playing ~5 games with him (i think?) my overall read accuracy on bob is pretty poor

think teh only game you read me right was that very first game. Not sure if you read started to flip to scum during the end of that one. And i flipped town mason

[bob3141]

mm kerset what is your reasoning for that vote.

I find the blankness very odd unless your scum trying to push the leading lynch from anotehr player.

So out of the two conditions of you beign town or scum.

I think a scum you means there is reasonable chance that one of rb, profii and gobble are scum.

[bob3141]

infact looking at your iso. You dont have the posts to justify any vote outside of a rvs stage vote.

[bob3141]

now if you are scum and you iso has you nither invested nor positioned against andy playesr lynch. As scum why wouldnt you pick teh lead wagon thats rb.

[bob3141]

What is everyone's favorite role to play as?

I like killing.
My fav role would be something that is neighboring person on twilight and killing them at the end of night. I could listen to their despair and enjoy kill even more.

i find this an odd post. Ok your answering a question but feels to me liek you actualy do have a kill today. If your favourite was a killign role regardless of alignment you woudl have the last bit.

But your saying none town killing role. which makes me think your scum alignment has blinded you from town killing roles. As they simpyl woudl be in the forefront of you mind

[bob3141]

I voted you because I wanted to trigger you.
You have been extremely insecure so far. It seems that you can even make scumreads, when your comfort zone is challenged.

So how do you think i have been insecure. And what makes you feel that makes me scum as your vote implies a scum read.



You justification for you vote is even worse than you blank vote. What makes you think i would not have called you out if you had voted for rb in same manner. So far you have not scum hunted at all. Yet you seem to be so eager to jump on the latest going thing.

If your town then you play is bad. It amounts to lets be scum and hope to trap townies when they call it out

[bob3141]

I am thinking right now that Pops is town and Skitter might be town.

VOTE: Bob3141

So how does you think those two are town lead to a vote on me.

Is you reasoning linked to those 2 town reads. As even if you had prior to that vote you had been voting for oen of them. Why me over all others. As apart from replys to my joke comments ive not seen any games related commentry on me from you

Good question from Bob here. I think I'd rather vote gobble

VOTE: gobble

Why gooble over teh other 3. What makes you think if kerset is scum. Then out of those 3 names its gooble that is likely his partner

[bob3141]

now if you are scum and you iso has you

nither

invested nor positioned against

andy

playesr

lynch. As scum why wouldnt you pick

teh

lead wagon thats rb.

Did you get nervous?

lol read my games. Im a notorious at makign typos when i type. Especially for teh

[bob3141]

I am thinking right now that Pops is town and Skitter might be town.

VOTE: Bob3141

So how does you think those two are town lead to a vote on me.

Is you reasoning linked to those 2 town reads. As even if you had prior to that vote you had been voting for oen of them. Why me over all others. As apart from replys to my joke comments ive not seen any games related commentry on me from you

Good question from Bob here. I think I'd rather vote gobble

VOTE: gobble

And nona if your reasonign for gooble is on my posts. Why not even vote for kerset.

As you pick out of three players that my read depends on kerset being scum. The logical thing would be that you woudl vote for kerset first. And then its not even a solid poe. Just a potential

Why choose gooble over the other 2. One of which you were already voting for

VOTE: Nona

[bob3141]

VOTE: kerset

care to elaborate

[bob3141]

I think a scum you means there is reasonable chance that one of rb, profii and gobble are scum.

why do you think this?

Its read on situation. I used the word reasonable over likely for a reason. Why i scum read nona for that blantant sheeping. Over a point that prety much says 50/50 that one in 3 is scum if x is scum.

Never is that justification for an actual vote. as based on things so far tahts 1/6 chance that player is scum if x is scum. Whenx alignment hasnt been determined yet.

[bob3141]

now if kerset is scum why woudl nora choose. unless either kerset isnt scum or is scum and rather than voting the scum buddy. Votes the one of the 3 names in list that inst scum.


which makes me think if nona is scum that gooble is town

[bob3141]

all were wagons that could have been pushed further or to the same level as mine. Just a general poe vca read.

why i used word reasonable rather than likely. As its not strong read but is a read.

If kerset is scum i was wondering why he would push one of the others further rather than. having serveral weak wagons

[bob3141]

now if kerset is scum why woudl nora choose. unless either kerset isnt scum or is scum and rather than voting the scum buddy. Votes the one of the 3 names in list that inst scum.


which makes me think if nona is scum that gooble is town

i have no idea what you're trying to say here

yep my town reasoning can get a times quite convoluted. Especially when there fresh thoughts.

[bob3141]

Bob was overreacting even over rvs. Is 68 normal?

i only count the first vote as rvs. with any other votes needing jokey subtext.

I count vote like that to be serous. And thus the potentiel to move us out of rvs. Even if it bbmola was still in rvs although others have already left it.

bbmola either gives justification to the vote or says its was just another rvs.

[bob3141]

VOTE: bob3141

68 reads like bob knows that BBMolla is town

And how do you coem to that conclusion. Very easy to say something yet can you justify it.

What about makes you think i know bbmola alignment

[bob3141]

Bob was overreacting even over rvs. Is 68 normal?

Looks kinda typical go me, why do you think it's an overreaction?

Because have you seen BBMolla's iso? And if so is it because you were blinking?

why do you think a lack of any posts is areason to just ignor blank votes. Thats how you get players with minimal interactions. whether town or scum if you let them lurk they will keep lurking.

And how do you think its overreaction to first ask if there is reasoning behind the vote or ask what they mean by locked.

As i said locked implies a degree of permanency and certainty. Based on his posts around there and infact looking at his iso after. There is nothing in his lack of posts that could be determined to be perdiant in relation to me.

An entirely blank vote would actual look better than what he did posts. which was blank vote with implied seriousness. Hence the question about what is behind his vote

Your vote on me is just looking opportunistic

[bob3141]

Another fun fact: bob says that he takes second votes as 'serious one' meantime this page 3 vote was blank and his second.

lol you couldnt look more scummy now. You say a blank vote but was it. Or was it part of string of posts. Your outright avoiding mentioning the fact that the prior posts was mine. Your really trying hard to dig dirt

VOTE: Kerset

[bob3141]

now the question is will turkey vote for christmas.


i fear we may lose gooble in two days time

VOTE: Turkey

I say kerset how was that vote blank?

[bob3141]

Im suprised you missed the blanent joke i was making. Or more likely you did but choose to ignor it. As it woudl straight away undermine the shade you tried to throw.

[bob3141]

Merry christmas

[bob3141]

Problem with PP is he is very much the sort of player to sit on the side lines.

[bob3141]

I never seen you as town get into teh heart of the discussion. Though you scum game had you not even joining and just fluff posting. Was quite easy to that game to see you vanity voting

[bob3141]

Skitter managed to make his own viewpoint.

He should be town but inaccurate one.
With non conformist pops, they make TvT couple.

? are you talking about me? i don't know what this means

You created your own point of view. You didn't copy anyone, it was original.

ok so his view point was original but what did you think of his view itself. You say you think she is town but wrong. What about her view makes you think she is town and what about it dont you agree with

[bob3141]

Also im assuming that your saying skitter vs pops is tvt. What makes you think this. Is it simply because you are town reading both or is there also something in their interactions that comes across as being mutually exclusive with one of them being scum

[bob3141]

Also im assuming that your saying skitter vs pops is tvt but makes you think this. Is it simply because you are town reading both of them or is there also something in their interactions. That feels like its mutually exclusive with one of them being scum.


rewrote last posts as I didnt proof read it.

[bob3141]

Also im assuming that your saying skitter vs pops is tvt but makes you think this. Is it simply because you are town reading both of them or is there also something in their interactions. That feels like its mutually exclusive with one of them being scum.


rewrote last posts as I didnt proof read it.

Do you think that pops is scum, because skitter is town?

I see kerset you dont want to answer that question. Again what makes you think it is TvT.

Its very easy for scum to say somethign like that as scum know who is town and who is scum. So explain why you think skitter and pops is tvt.

You havnt said you think pops and skitter are town. You specifically said tvt. Thus you are claiming to see something in their interacts that makes them both as town. What is that you claim to have seen.

[bob3141]

Skitter managed to make his own viewpoint.

He should be town but inaccurate one.
With non conformist pops, they make TvT couple.

? are you talking about me? i don't know what this means

You created your own point of view. You didn't copy anyone, it was original.

ok so his view point was original but what did you think of his view itself. You say you think she is town but wrong. What about her view makes you think she is town and what about it dont you agree with

Her view itself seems genuine enough. You are trying to imply that that "things that i don't agree with" and "things that makes me think she is town" are two separate things. I don't agree with her read but i can still see that it came from independent townie mind. I can see that she didn't intent to confuse people.

You have not answered my question. You just used more words to say what you said before

What about skitter that makes you think its genuine and what about that makes you think she is town.


You say you dont agree with her but on what and why?

What makes you think it came from idependent town?


And to be clear im asking you expalin your reads and how you came to them. As it stands your just looking like scum to me. As you say things but neither back them nor go into any detail. If skitter is town its very easy for scum you to say she is town but harder for you to come up with a reasoning that looks organic.

[bob3141]

How many games have you played with me, Bob?

Um...that is very much not true most of the time.

I agree with Bob’s assessment of your general playstyle.

So, 2106 just ended which is why Bob’s comment surprised me, but maybe I’m just viewing my play differently since it comes from my perspective. It’s also the reason why I’m not going to give Bob an easy town read for his play so far as he seems to be able to emulate his town game as scum pretty well.

Wasnt calling you a lurker or fluff poster. But you do come across a bit on the fence. You dont probe strongly as town but neither do you hang back.

That game i was suprised how much i got town read. Thought I was quite scummy that game.

[bob3141]

Also im assuming that your saying skitter vs pops is tvt but makes you think this. Is it simply because you are town reading both of them or is there also something in their interactions. That feels like its mutually exclusive with one of them being scum.


rewrote last posts as I didnt proof read it.

Do you think that pops is scum, because skitter is town?

I see kerset you dont want to answer that question. Again what makes you think it is TvT.

Its very easy for scum to say somethign like that as scum know who is town and who is scum. So explain why you think skitter and pops is tvt.

You havnt said you think pops and skitter are town. You specifically said tvt. Thus you are claiming to see something in their interacts that makes them both as town. What is that you claim to have seen.

You are being paranoid at this point.

Skitter managed to make his own viewpoint. He should be town but inaccurate one.
With non conformist pops, they make TvT couple.

I am town leaning pops, because she is nonconformist.
There is decent amount of conversation between pops and skitter and they didn't reach common ground. I pointed this two in a single post, because it was relevant part of this game.

So what is the deal with "mutually exclusive with one of them being scum."? Can't they be both town?

I dont think you understood that sentance then. If you were to reply "Can't they be both town?"

Mutually exclusive is a statistical term describing two or more events that cannot coincide

One of them being scum is one event. What i was asking is what you think you had seen that wouldnt have occured if one of them was scum.

[bob3141]

Kerset what about pops being nonconformist makes you think he is town. Again thats very much an easy thing for scum to say. As it has no meat to it.


Kerset what about these posts has made you conclude that pops and skitter are both town. Why do you think it cant possibly be SvS or TvS but must be TvT.

What makes you think if it was SvS or SvT that either they would come to a common ground after so many posts. As you imply that the fact they havnt means they must be both town. What would you think of them if they had come to common ground. As you read amounts to x doesnt agree with y. So x and y must be both town

You have prety much said something that would have no bearing on eithers alignment. They could be TvT or SvT or even SvS based off that.

[bob3141]

How many games have you played with me, Bob?

Um...that is very much not true most of the time.

I agree with Bob’s assessment of your general playstyle.

So, 2106 just ended which is why Bob’s comment surprised me, but maybe I’m just viewing my play differently since it comes from my perspective. It’s also the reason why I’m not going to give Bob an easy town read for his play so far as he seems to be able to emulate his town game as scum pretty well.

Wasnt calling you a lurker or fluff poster. But you do come across a bit on the fence. You dont probe strongly as town but neither do you hang back.

That game i was suprised how much i got town read. Thought I was quite scummy that game.

What are elements of your scum game that you think are scummy?

Scummy is the wrong word. As that im doign scummy rather than doing somethign that is scum motivated. My town games and scum games on the face of it migth look similar but they are vastly different.

And in that game i did allot of scum motivated things but from a towny angle.

[bob3141]

My wagon is so lazy

Kinda dont even wanna fight it if people are actually okay with the reasoning (or lack thereof) that's been given towards voting me so far.

You say lack of reasoning can you point any of these out. And why in those cases you think its bad

[bob3141]

can i interest anyone in voting kerset with me?

yeah. They're just throwing shade in every direction.
VOTE: kerset

I messed up phone posting - meant to quote this

is that instead of post 335

[bob3141]

Frank can you give your opinion on kersets replys to mine and others questions

[bob3141]

Frank can you answer my question. Where i ask you what is your opionion on kersets replies to teh questiosn from me and other

[bob3141]

VOTE: Turkey

VOTE: Bob

Locking my vote here

And what your justification for as you say lockign your vote here. Not to sure what you mean by locked but im assuming you mean that you cant see it moving. Its not a joke vote unlike mine. SO there must be some reason behind it?

After all if it does mean your sure on it, I find that quite odd after all were not even through the first day.

I don't like how you discredited someones read on you by "you always scumread me," sounds like garbage

profii is town

Nona town

your barley posting and now your new vote is on lurker. Who with any luck will either start posting or be replaced

How did you come to your reads on profii and nona

[bob3141]

If your voting waka to try and get him to post. What questiosn do you want to ask him. To help you learn his alignment

[bob3141]

VOTE: Frank

There is just something about the hollowness of his posts. All i can see is him sayign he think 4 players are town but not why. A kerset scumread but with very little behind it. With him just sitting on it without any attempt to interrogate him. I would expect any town to learn more as it could turn out the original read was wrong. While scum realy wouldnt care

[bob3141]

Ugh, I've been prodded.

I really need to stop joining multiple games. It's too much.

Who's Scummy currently?

Who do you think is scummy?

[bob3141]

I am curious why Bob chose Frank over BBmolla.

BBmolla hasnt got much content yet. But frank has been posting but avoiding any content.

His move to kerset wagon feels like scum sheepign a going wagaon. Has he has little independant thought and no attempt to actualy sort kerset. Which is a thing all townies would do to check that vote is actualy placed right.

When i question him he answers proffi but not my mine. With those questions being about how his view kerset has changed. By asking him what he thinks of kersets respsonses to mien and others questioning. I felt kerset came across more towny so wanted to know why frank hasnt even responded in teh thread to kerset wagon developments. I would imagine a town him would either push on his replies as scummy further evidence he was scum or that he is lookign more towny. And franks original push on kerset was weak. Only two actual mentions and no attempt to actual sort him

[bob3141]

So far the skitter wagon is just looking like counter wagon to proffiis.

And those on it dont look right. Before it started i was feeling associations between him and frank. And then we have frank joining teh counter wagon to proffii

[bob3141]

Going gather a list of wagons that hit 4 or over.


proffii wagon - skitter30, gobbledygook, popsofctown, rb
franks wagon - gobbledygook, PenguinPower, skitter30, bob3141
skitters wagon 4 - proffi, rb, frank. looker

[bob3141]

found another

Bob - BBmolla, gobbledygook , kerset, pops

[bob3141]

So proffi do you think anything said angainst you is shade. I find it odd that you would simply shout shade. Can you say anything about gobbles meta claim that could prove its shade

[bob3141]

It is weird to me that wagons in this game reach like 4 votes and everyone gets skeevy about it.

Next job is to consolidate all the wagons into one easy to read post and see who is doing what

Footy on so I'll do it in a few hours

Yes, incidentally you happened to have been on many of them

As has the Turkey interestingly

Profii this is the second time I’ve felt like you’re trying to draw people to suspect me for things that you have done. You aren’t even trying to say I’m a buddy with one of the people pushing you which I would say is the only townie aspect of pointing that out.

So gooble do you deny his claim that you have been on as many wagons as him. As you seem to be saying he is scum for even saying that fact. Even implying that he is trying to push you for something he has done. Even though in that post he prety much admits to being on allot of wagons.

Also i dont get your claim that its scummy that he hasnt been able to tie you with someone else voting for him. As though finding you scummy independently of teh actiosn of other players means he cant possibly be town

[bob3141]

Profii seems a lot less reserved in this game than he did in our neighborhood in LUV’s Large Normal.

I'm the 4th highest poster?

I dunno it skitter would call that shade but I would

4th highest poster in this game? That is my point. I remember you wouldn't even give me reads in the beginning when I first replaced into LUV's game. Here you are playing much different than you did in that neighborhood.

So are you saying he is scum because when he was your neigbhour he didnt share reads with you. And to be clear are you saying your meta read on him is based on that pt and not the main game thread.

[bob3141]

I'm not simply shouting shade?

I'm the 4th highest poster. That's hardly reserved?
If Gobbledygood is suggesting I'm less forthcoming in this game - then be reminded in the last game I said he totally pocketed me and we were neighbours - so if I am essentially a mason at this point - I'm obviously going to be more forthcoming in that neighbourhood thread than where I trust the only other person in the thread.
Now if your next response is going to be 'oh but town should just say whatever they are thinking' - by Gobbledegook saying I was less reserved in the neighbourhood thread, already establishes that I was less reserved in the game thread

where I was town

I dont know what meta has to do with this.

So overall I have no idea what the point of that was, other than, to cast shade upon me.

Well gooble is making a meta claim against you. And although i do agree so far that your different. However, the context is very different. You were town pr that never really got any pressure and in this game you are getting more pressure than that game.

[bob3141]

mm there is something about proffi vs gooble im just not liking. Something just feels off

[bob3141]

I just cant get over that awful meta read. If it was based on his in game character it woudl be as bad. But its based on how he was in thread were he didnt know goobles alignment

VOTE: gooble

[bob3141]

yep I was.

And although he is playing different he was a pr in that game. Why its not sitting right with me that gooble would make such meta connection.

[bob3141]

Why are we voting PP?

When I looked at all the wagons i feel like Kerset is probably the most likely wagon where we hit scum and Frank was a counter wagon.

When I looked at Nonas posting it seemed feasible she was trying to protect Kerset- so why not vote nona?

I'm not 100% sure if this is some obvious scum white knighting or something else but PP kinda acknowledged it and it ignored it which seems the most scummy thing overall so I voted

So what your saying is that you think kerset is the most likely scum but your voting pp.

If you were town, wouldnt you be trying to rebuild the kerset wagon by first voting for him

[bob3141]

VOTE: Profii

Your vote on PP just looks so opportunistic as if your happy to jump on any going wagon. I just do not see any sign you even talked much about him before that wagon formed. And behold as soon as it forms you start making posts saying you think pp is scum.

[bob3141]

UNVOTE:

Skitter not every vig shoots town 3 times in a row

I think skitter not wanting teh vig to shoot is nia. As when she was town and we had vig hit town 2 times in row she didnt want him to shoot again.

[bob3141]

I encouraged him as im one that beleives night powers should always be used. And he shot her, he did shot mafia 4th time luck though

[bob3141]

I think proffi shoudl shoot one of next days potential lynches. That way its no worse than if we simply mislynched them that day anyway

[bob3141]

I am thinking right now that Pops is town and Skitter might be town.

VOTE: Bob3141

So how does you think those two are town lead to a vote on me.

Is you reasoning linked to those 2 town reads. As even if you had prior to that vote you had been voting for oen of them. Why me over all others. As apart from replys to my joke comments ive not seen any games related commentry on me from you

Good question from Bob here. I think I'd rather vote gobble

VOTE: gobble

And nona if your reasonign for gooble is on my posts. Why not even vote for kerset.

As you pick out of three players that my read depends on kerset being scum. The logical thing would be that you woudl vote for kerset first. And then its not even a solid poe. Just a potential

Why choose gooble over the other 2. One of which you were already voting for

VOTE: Nona

what??? bob is just fining reasosn to call people mafia now what is he doing. i need someone to tell me how bob plays usually

So are you saying that nona voting for a player for no reason is not scummy. All the while claiming to use some else logic to justify the vote. Even though that said logic is no justification for said vote.

Now i ask you why did nona pick gobble. For the logic he tried to use for his vote depends on kerset being scum. So if nona had thought gooble was kersets partner why simply not vote kerset.

And even then based on that logic why vote for gobble over the other 3 leading wagons that were mentioned. Especially since that same logic he tried to use never went into who out of those could be kerset partner. As it was just a passing remark for future reference that nona jumped on.

VOTE: nicholai

And its very scummy for you to just try and wash over that.

[bob3141]

I am thinking right now that Pops is town and Skitter might be town.

VOTE: Bob3141

So how does you think those two are town lead to a vote on me.

Is you reasoning linked to those 2 town reads. As even if you had prior to that vote you had been voting for oen of them. Why me over all others. As apart from replys to my joke comments ive not seen any games related commentry on me from you

Good question from Bob here. I think I'd rather vote gobble

VOTE: gobble

no it's not? bad vote.

And you even say nona vote is very bad. Yet you claim its bad that i would call nona out for that very opportunistic scummy vote.

[bob3141]

I am thinking right now that Pops is town and Skitter might be town.

VOTE: Bob3141

So how does you think those two are town lead to a vote on me.

Is you reasoning linked to those 2 town reads. As even if you had prior to that vote you had been voting for oen of them. Why me over all others. As apart from replys to my joke comments ive not seen any games related commentry on me from you

Good question from Bob here. I think I'd rather vote gobble

VOTE: gobble

And nona if your reasonign for gooble is on my posts. Why not even vote for kerset.

As you pick out of three players that my read depends on kerset being scum. The logical thing would be that you woudl vote for kerset first. And then its not even a solid poe. Just a potential

Why choose gooble over the other 2. One of which you were already voting for

VOTE: Nona

what??? bob is just fining reasosn to call people mafia now what is he doing. i need someone to tell me how bob plays usually

So are you saying that nona voting for a player for no reason is not scummy. All the while claiming to use some else logic to justify the vote. Even though that said logic is no justification for said vote.

Now i ask you why did nona pick gobble. For the logic he tried to use for his vote depends on kerset being scum. So if nona had thought gooble was kersets partner why simply not vote kerset.

And even then based on that logic why vote for gobble over the other 3 leading wagons that were mentioned. Especially since that same logic he tried to use never went into who out of those could be kerset partner. As it was just a passing remark for future reference that nona jumped on.

VOTE: nicholai

And its very scummy for you to just try and wash over that.

hi bob i don't understand what you are saying. nona voted for gobbledy because she agreed with you saying that gobbledys vote for you being a conclusion of thinking skitter and pops is town is weird. but what i think is that statement and the vote are not connected and just happened to be in the same post. and it is a bad reason to think gobbledy is mafia both from you and Nona. i don't understand where Kerset comes into it.

Look at the chronology of the posts. You have nona making that post right after i have been talking about kerset. In relation to the 3 other wagons one of which was gooble.

You then have nona quote an old posts and use what he claims to be my logic to vote gobble. Which is very bad as up to the at no point had I either seriously voted for gobble (only old joke vote). Or pushed any logic for him being scum. Its a thing you see scum do countless times. When they claim to be following someone elses logic as they know the flip already. So dont want to be the one to be seen to actualy push.

And the timing is so bad. Im there questioing kerset anf make remark about if he was scum. Why that wagon over the other 3. Then you have nona use an old comment to try and push a gooble lynch.

Any logic of mine that could be used at a stretch at that point for jusifying a gobble lynch was in posts before. And that was that kerset picked one the wagons to push that he knew wasnt his scum partner. The timing is very opportunistic.

[bob3141]

Now if nona was being genuine there would have been no vote. As the question at that point was one was is your scum read contected to your town reads. Aswell as me asking if it was serous vote as it wasnt long after i made my joke turkey vote.


This is the key point in nona post "I think I'd rather vote gobble"

Vote gobble over who? over who?

So he was clearly following the convo. And choose to vote gooble oevr someone else. Never giving a reason why he didnt want to vote for others

[bob3141]

mm now that is shading if ive ever seen it. I ask you did i ever once accuse pops of being scum?

I also find it odd that you find any attempt to sort players as omgus reaction.

[bob3141]

if you think im mafia because you think im being omgusy then thats prety much fool proof evidence that im town. A scum me would far more likely to simply just ignor any votes on me.

[bob3141]

Your vote on me is just looking opportunistic

you shade everyone who votes for you.

I will say bob you are fairly omgusy but that’s nai from what I remember

I just challange any vote, even if that player is voting for me. I wont scum read a player for it unless i already think there scum.

See when you cast your first vote for me and pops cast his vote. I only asked questions inorder to sort them.

[bob3141]

Whats going on with wake. Been 3 and half days since his last posts. So far he hasnt done anything but make 2 rvs posts

[bob3141]

rb why do you want to end the day phase so early

[bob3141]

PP lynch is a go

Bbmola you keep pushign a pp lynch. yet not once have you made a case for it.

What you do say is that you dont liek his early posts but not why?

That you dont like his iso but not why?


And you mention lack of content when you have even less. Why should players not also be scum reading you, in your opinion.

[bob3141]

Bob how do you define a wagon?

how is that even a question. Thats like asking what is a vote

[bob3141]

PP lynch is a go

Bbmola you keep pushign a pp lynch. yet not once have you made a case for it.

What you do say is that you dont liek his early posts but not why?

That you dont like his iso but not why?


And you mention lack of content when you have even less. Why should players not also be scum reading you, in your opinion.

I've said it before

There is absolutely nothing that makes me think PP is town.

But you have not backed up a single thing that makes you think PP is scum. Nor backed up what you have not been seeingn that makes you think PP is scum.


Your agruement amounts to - hey its him

[bob3141]

You haven't even scum hunted once BBmola. I can see no attempt at you trying to become more informed.

[bob3141]

penguin is not very good with explanations lot of fluff and lot of naked reads overall slightly scummy. not a lot of his thought process i connected to. why are you not defending yourself penguin?

can you mention any of these. As i would like to see your examples, as you clear are saying you have seen some. As you only say he is slightly scummy. Seems a bit odd you would move you vote only for slighly scummy

[bob3141]

isn't it better to lynch penguin now if you want to lynch him eventually anyway? because if he is mafia we can look for his partner if he's not mafia than i guess he can't protect anyone because he'd dead. hmmm so a better plus side and a worse bad side to choose between high risk high reward

why do you want to lynch pp now. If his roleclaim is true then he is role that will end up dying anyway. But at nigth a hopefully instead of pr. So why do you want to get rid of potential town pr now

[bob3141]

Ive got some interesting analysis.


Gooble and skitter what do you think of each others alignments

[bob3141]

not related but not in related to teh method. So far we have had 8 players with a wagon of 4 or more.

[bob3141]

A50 since you replaced waka. What do you think of skitter and gooble.

If pp is town and if your town. I think its likely that one of gooble and skitter is scum. Based on that wagon alone 2/3 raw chance of one scum beign on it.

and goobble and skitter are both on another wagon.

For clarification by raw chance i mean statistically

[bob3141]

menal i almost had it

[bob3141]

Probably town

How certain are you on that

[bob3141]

All teh wagons that have formed so far over 4. (think i got them all)

Ive abbreviated my username to just b

proffii wagon(t) - skitter30, gobbledygook, popsofctown, rb
franks wagon - gobbledygook, PenguinPower, skitter30, (b)
skitters wagon 4 - proffi(t), rb, frank. looker
Bob - BBmolla, gobbledygook , kerset, pops


Looker (4) — Wake88, skitter30, PenguinPower, gobbledygook
PenguinPower (4) — BBmolla, rb, popsofctown, profii (t)
profii (4) — skitter30, gobbledygook, pops, Kerset
profii (4) — skitter30, gobbledygook, Kerset, pp, (b)



Nicholai (5) — skitter, frank, profii (t), (b), rb

pp 4 - bbmola, skitter , proffii (t), nick, rb

PP 6 - BBmolla, profii, rb, skitter, gobbledygook, Nicholai

[bob3141]

Idk like ~75% i would say

So what your saying is you read on him is slightly weaker than random chance. As for most mini its 3/13 chance a player is scum

thats 77%

[bob3141]

Trying to quantify certainty of reads is very unuseful

I think even you can agree that having more than a simple percentage was needed. I though i was clear when i pointed that 75% id not far off from the raw chance.

[bob3141]

Below are from wagons of 4 (and on 5). minus profi if vig confirmed and i know im town

A-rb, frank. looker < 1 scum?
B-gobbledygook, PenguinPower, skitter30 < 1 scum?
C-kitter30, gobbledygook, Kerset < 1 scum?
D-skitter, frank, rb < one scum?
e_BBmolla, rb, popsofctown <one scum

As i can see it there is likely one scum in each of the lists above. One might be empty as that fits the stats


so if pp ends up flipping town bg during the night.


now lists with 4

Wake88, skitter30, PenguinPower, gobbledygook
skitter30, gobbledygook, popsofctown, rb


And now you have pp lynch going to l-1

BBmolla, profii (t), rb, skitter, gobbledygook, Nicholai

you keep seeing the same names

[bob3141]

Now a wagon can be used to find atleast one scum. There can be more but this method cant find any extra. That needs a more detailed VCA

[bob3141]

23% of the players are scum. and 77% town. So even if scum dont want to. Its very hard to avoid them ending up on wagon with 4 or more votes. Either scum votes early and town push over or scum are the ones to push it over.

Naturaly soem wagons will be all town but most will have one scum on atleast.

[bob3141]

BBmolla, profii (t), rb, skitter, gobbledygook, Nicholai

now the pp wagon. Stats alone tell us that there is one scum on it.

proffi roelclaim is easily proven so fro now we can consider him town.

Thats makes

BBmolla, rb, skitter, gobbledygook, Nicholai

based on that and the otehr wagons. I cant see one scum not beign in grouping rb, skitter and gooble. Could be more or could only be one.

[bob3141]

UNVOTE:
oh gross you are counting scumwagons the same as other wagons

Maybe this VCA isn't as good a tiebreaker as I think it is.

I should go through the thread and figure out who wasn't voting PP but should have been. That'd be a good lynch I think.

So are you telling me scum have not being voting at all on their scum budies wagons.


Look though every game and i will be proven right on this.

Oh and pops. These arnt scum being wagoned. But a sure mixture. with them being over 8 diferent players. Stats aloen would imply one atleast is scum player beign wagoned. Now that could be an all town wagon or scum beign bussed.

[bob3141]

Bob is definitely town I would say

Because he never joins wagons? He is logic is just "each wagon has a scum" => "people, who vote a lot are scum" => "people, who dislike to vote are innocent"

Scum all ways end up on wagons. Its hard for them not to. You have different types of scum, those that join lots and those that join only one. But they always end up on them.


A player could appear on every single wagon and still be town. But he would share atleast 2/3 of those wagins with atleast one scum

[bob3141]

I'm saying that "one scum on each wagon" is gambler's fallacy to begin with and is a little worse than gambler's fallacy if you don't counterweight that scum bus less than rand at least a little bit, but I shouldn't get into it because this seems likely to produce friction rather than understanding.

Its not fallacy as its not the means of determining guilt but a means to investigate.

scum are less likely to bus but that doesnt mean they dont end up gettign to 4. You can have a player bus and then 3 votes build up. You can have a scum get on teh wagon as he doesnt want to be seen of it.

[bob3141]

Until we get more flips teh analysis has limits

But once you have town flips. And we have 8 players that have a wagon.

Even if that wagon is infact all town, you still get teh question why did scum stay away

[bob3141]

And of those 8 wagons atleast 5 must be town.

So scum cant have stayed away from all of them. the art is finding which is which from teh next level of analysis

[bob3141]

And of those 8 wagons atleast 5 must be town.

So scum cant have stayed away from all of them. the art is finding which is which from teh next level of analysis

Try actually making standpoints, instead of hiding behind mech solve.

The point is to interrogate. Dont forget that.

[bob3141]

VOTE: Bob

yes

this is a solid vote too but I'm gonna pursue my vote for now

Dont you agree that its quite the u turn though.


Up to now he has been claiming a town read on me. But not once backed it up. Amounting to bob man good.


@ rb what teh reason for you read change.

It seems that as soon as i start analysising the wagons and pp wagon. You reads suddenly changed


PP claims bg, a role that scum will need to kill as he will prevent them getting their desired kill. And i think from question that were asked previously in another thread. The strongman actualy cant bypass it as the bg simply changes who receives the night kill. Not 100% sure but i do remember somethign along those lines in prior game with bg

[bob3141]

VOTE: Rb

I can only assume you believed correctly that i had started scum reading you

When i was analysing these wagons one thign that did strike me is you vote on proffii was quite sheepy.


first was you simply replying to him. When he asked you about kerset and that was 4 words

Then your next mention is you town read him after you have joined teh wagon he has started.



Then when you join skitters wagon, you onyl say you dont have an opinion on frank. When you voted for profii you said you had no thoughts on proffii

So as far as i can see the proffii wagon failed and you jumped on proffi push, skitter

[bob3141]

can we just lynch nicholai

just imagine a game where he's alive for multiple day phases

Then we have this vote that pushed nich to l-2.

You say lets just end teh day and lynch nick

yet you had never even given a view on him. Never said at that point anything about why you scum read nick enough to be in your top 2 players to lynch


prior you had been voting pp and then after that wagon collapsed you rejoined pps wagon

[bob3141]

:

which posts are you asking about

[bob3141]

Rb as far as i can see every time a wagon collapse you move to another one thats growing.

PP collapses onto looker teh first time and the nick grows to 4. And you switch. When nick collapses you switch back to pp

[bob3141]

Hey look bob unlocked his scumreading powers towards rb as soon as he got voted by him. Is it a meme by now?

Are you serous. Rb blatently switched his read from town to scum. With no reason given

as soon as it was clear i had started scum reading him.

Why do you think i listed rb, skitter and gooble in that order.

[bob3141]

FL is the back up mod. So cant be one of the 13 players

[bob3141]

Lol i do think the way this day is going is that we will have wagon on every single player.

gooble, waka, bb and pops are the only ones not to have had atleast 4 votes so far.

And a wagon is forming on bb and gooble

[bob3141]

im feeling certian one of rb , skitter and gooble is scum.

Gooble im feelign most likely town of the 3. Or at the very least not scum with nick. So i feel those 2 players are either t and t or t and s but not s and s

[bob3141]

lol i guess that makes it 9 players to have had wagon reach atleast 4 then.

[bob3141]

Gooble what role did you think you had.

[bob3141]

so why dont you think your that role then, now.

Wouldnt it have said all you roles details in your role pm

[bob3141]

I think we should just treat your slot on your actions.

[bob3141]

gooble so far you were the one player i was town reading

To often of late my strong town reads get killed day one. In plums game by the end of day one i had one sure town read. That was tris and she got flash lynched

[bob3141]

At the moment i prefer a rb lynch.

As he is playing quite clearly to me like scum that sheeps other players. He has been to fluid. In his votes and read changes.

[bob3141]

skitter might have moved her vote allot but every time it came with procrastination. While rb with decisiveness


skitter a player who talks about worries of lolhammers. Which matches teh fact she lol hammered in two games of late by accident. And with that weak doc claim. A claim that could never get to lylo. If she is scum trying to deep wolf she wouldnt of made that claim

[bob3141]

what did he miss

[bob3141]

PP show us all your crumbs this game

[bob3141]

Also PP explain how each crumb was meant to work

[bob3141]

Just went to teh wiki and

A Strongman cannot be stopped from performing a kill, unless their target has commuted

thats what it says. I dont think two protective roles would change that

[bob3141]

You do realise sarcasm tends to lose its meaning when typed and not spoken

[bob3141]

I assumed the exact same usage of "Because...uh..." was obvious sarcasm...

Becuase...uh...in a Normal game

Because...uh...I guess I fucked up then.

because ... uh ..

actualy comes across more as snotty

[bob3141]

It definitely sounds like you have a cold and about to sneaze

[bob3141]

but seriously because ... uh .. has lots of potential meanings

All of which are clear when spoken but less so when writen. For instance i took it to mean you were saying wasnt it obvous taht you simply messed up

[bob3141]

Yep weak dies if it targets scum. If it surives it gives a clear

[bob3141]

proffii why would you even consider shooting yourself. If you are a town vig then you know you are in fact town.

Shootign yourself would just drop us down by one lynch less than if you never shot. Even random shooting is better than that a random 25% hit rate is better than 0% chance to hit scum

[bob3141]

whats the usual gatedness of a strongman

[bob3141]

I think thats were the votes currently are

BBmolla (3) — Kerset, PenguinPower,
rb (2) — bob3141, Looker ,
Kerset (1) — skitter30 , gooble, bbmola, frank
nich - rb , pops
bob - nich

[bob3141]

I think kersets on l-1

[bob3141]

BBmolla (3) — Kerset, ,
rb (2) — bob3141, Looker , nick
Kerset (1) — skitter30 , gooble, bbmola, frank, pp, rb

[bob3141]

good shot proffii.

[bob3141]

I think PP said he protected skitter. As he posted "you" after skitter asked him

[bob3141]

There the ones still alive from kerset lynch. I woudl say its likely atleast one of those is scum.

skitter30, gobbledygook, BBmolla, Frank, PenguinPower, rb

we have the pr claims skitter and pp. If both are town then that leaves

, gobbledygook, BBmolla, Frank, , rb

[bob3141]

The poe on teh different wagons. Now assuming skitter is telling teh truth


skitter---- rb, frank. looker < 1 scum?
frank---- gobbledygook, PenguinPower, < 1 scum?
proffii--- gobbledygook, < 1 scum?
nich ---- , frank, rb < one scum?
pp ----- BBmolla, rb,
rb ----- , nick. gooble< nick was scum
bbmolla---- , rb , gooble

[bob3141]

Also the question about was nick wagon all town before it collapsed

Nicholai (s)(5) — skitter, frank, profii (t), (b), rb

Got to l-2 and dropped down to 3 votes. After 2 players going on vla unvoted

[bob3141]

whats looker on. So no one ends the day early by accident before you and rb are ready

[bob3141]

I think were waiting for skitter and rb to talk about planning how to play it out this night

[bob3141]

skitter said she wanted us to wait.

[bob3141]

I think its so that we know who she is visiting. So that if she and another dies we know who she visted

[bob3141]

i dont like kerset this game

ive scumread them incorrectly before tho

I dont like kerset still

but i think this is in their likely town range and that they are less likely to be scum than PP/frank at the very least

ill take a PP lynch over anything else at current

i don't see why there necessarily has to be something in the kerset/frank business

there's 13 players in the game

i dont like kerset this game

ive scumread them incorrectly before tho

I dont like kerset still

but i think this is in their likely town range and that they are less likely to be scum than PP/frank at the very least

ill take a PP lynch over anything else at current

i don't see why there necessarily has to be something in the kerset/frank business

there's 13 players in the game

These are the last things rb has said about Kerset until just now. Rb never substantiated these feelings and these comments seemed like he was trying to help a buddy get out of hot water at the time

gooble what do you think of your case that you were oushing against rb now in light of his claim.

Also what do you think of the fact that you are pushing a kerset and rb team. Kerset who you helped lynch and rb whos wagon involved nick. A player that had made no attempt to actually sort kerset. Who has since flipped scum. And a player who you have never as it appears tried to sort.

[bob3141]

Nic

[bob3141]

I may be falling into the too scummy to be scum trap, but I don’t think Nicholai is scum. I think whoever said they hate how day 1 turns into utility lynches is probably town too. I need to re-evaluate this game because too many people occupy a grey zone in my mind and I’ve been following a long the entire phase.

wrong one

[bob3141]

lhf

see here we have you talking about nick along side you pushing kerset and rb team. But no where do you ever really push him.

Even though you claim to be seeing that he is following least path of resistance.

[bob3141]

I may be falling into the too scummy to be scum trap, but I don’t think Nicholai is scum. I think whoever said they hate how day 1 turns into utility lynches is probably town too. I need to re-evaluate this game because too many people occupy a grey zone in my mind and I’ve been following a long the entire phase.

This after the nick wagon collapses due to player vla concerns.

You say he is scummy but cant be scum.

A very easy way to avoid votign for a player whoms wagon might not rebuild. With the only questionign about his wagon beign why skitter unvoted

[bob3141]

I mean they aren’t the same thing in my head. I don’t want to lynch him rn implies you still scumread him just don’t want to end the day. It also seems a little panicky that he would die today with how slow this town is

[bob3141]

Since PP said there is a stongman and no strongman has flipped. That prety much measn that either pp ir scum or last scum is the strongman.

[bob3141]

rb did you get a useful result

[bob3141]

he did back out of jailkeeper claim and changed to vt.

[bob3141]

i want to see how this day pans out, i don't have a guilty

also my city is full of smoke so that's fun

I take it your from australia

[bob3141]

rb although you dont have a guily have you got anything that could be taken as clear later on in teh day

[bob3141]

pops you cant be scum as skitter would of died. You were confirmed town once looker was foudn by rb. as for at that point for skitter to be scum pp would also have to be scum. and since there was only one slot left for scum. skitter could never be scum.

[bob3141]

No other town protection claim. I doubt scum would have strongman if all they were up against was a bg. As the bg can only buy one night and doesnt even stop a nk.

Thus pp would have to be scum lying about strongman

[bob3141]

Yeah are you scumslipping we don't have a strongman flip. Skitter is weak doctor, PP is scum roleblocker who fakeclaims bodyguard informed of strongman, Looker is the partner. So how was Skitter confirmed town?

For PP to confirm it here isn't a scumslip if he's cognizant of his informed modifier, but from your point of view you're slipping knowledge that PP is town.

I dont know how you managed to come up with that nonsense.


For skitter to be scum pp had to be lying about the strongman. Are you saying that strongman fits with just a bg. Thus pp has to be lying about his role.

Since we have one flipped scum and at that point rb claimign a guilty on looker,

Thus 2 slots for scum are taken. That leaves skitter and pp. Thus it cant be Scum Scum as only one scum is left. Thus atleast one of skitter and pp are town.

For scum to have another role than strongman pp has to be lying. And thus scum. which makes skitter town.

For skitter to be scum and pp to eb town. Scum must have a strongman. Thus town woudl need an extra protective role.

No one counter claimed pp and skitter. and gooble changed his claim.

Thus skitter had to be town.

[bob3141]

Pops it realy is basic logic

[bob3141]

i can claim now or do you want bbmola to go first. Going to sleep in few mins

[bob3141]

Im a vt

[bob3141]

night

[bob3141]

VOTE: BBm

Somebody please vote me. We need to complete the circle. Thank you.

So by circle do you mean a vote konga

[bob3141]

Its about a prior game

[bob3141]

will catchup when i can later today

[bob3141]

I kind of think it’s just bob and we win I’m not sure why we’re stalled

Most likely scum simply dont want to be on my wagon.

As i will flip town.

What do players actualy scum read me for ?

[bob3141]

Did i or did i not flush out nick scum slot. I first remember getting scum read and wagoned when i was pushign that slot.

Proffii might have got him before we could lynch him the next day.

That was his wagon

Nicholai (s)(5) — skitter, frank, profii (t), (b), rb

i woudl be most suspect of any one off it.

[bob3141]

question is one scum in this list. If that lynch has no scum then scum skipped the wagon

kerset ---- skitter30 (t), gobbledygook, BBmolla, Frank, PenguinPower, rb, profii (t)

kersets lynch.

I still cant beleive you lynched him.

[bob3141]

Also do players realy think that i could be scum on the same team as nick?

I think every every player not confirmed shoudl explain how this pairing works with there scum read on me

[bob3141]

Also do players realy think that i could be scum on the same team as nick?

I think every every player not confirmed shoudl explain how this pairing works with there scum read on me

Your vote on Nona/Nich was very early game

Spoiler:

can we just lynch nicholai

just imagine a game where he's alive for multiple day phases

Then we have this vote that pushed nich to l-2.

You say lets just end teh day and lynch nick

yet you had never even given a view on him. Never said at that point anything about why you scum read nick enough to be in your top 2 players to lynch


prior you had been voting pp and then after that wagon collapsed you rejoined pps wagon

Rb as far as i can see every time a wagon collapse you move to another one thats growing.

PP collapses onto looker teh first time and the nick grows to 4. And you switch. When nick collapses you switch back to pp

im feeling certian one of rb , skitter and gooble is scum.

Gooble im feelign most likely town of the 3. Or at the very least not scum with nick. So i feel those 2 players are either t and t or t and s but not s and s

Yes, I do think you could be scum with Nich. Why couldn't you?

So let me get this right you are scum reading me for one for one finding nick early and two questioning rb.


Lets look at those post you quoted shall we.

The first one i want rb view on nick. Do you think thats unreasonable? I want to know were rb vote comes from. Its very easy for scum to jump on there partners wagon but harder to give a reason that simply doesnt make it worse. SO i wanted to know rb reason so i could get insight into if he was town or scum.

the second one. I outright say that i think rb vote on nick isnt genuine. And that his vote switched back to PP rather quickly, leaving me feeling that it was a bus. And that rb jumped on nick just to been to be on him.

And teh 3rd. One how has that got anythign to do with nick at all. That was simply me sayign taht at teh time i think at least oen of group is scum and that at teh time i didnt think two players were partners.

Th reason i didnt think gooble was scum at the time with nick. is that when nick tried to find scum read on me gooble straight away undercut it

[bob3141]

and my vote on ona was early as she stuck out big time as scum. That vote and reasonign post was so scummy. As it was so flawed.

And then nona failed to respond to my questions asking her what she thought of kersets responses to my questions. Which i thought look townie and i got no response and taht slots vote didnt change until nick reped in.

Then nick first thing realy was to push my slot as i was pushing a scum read on him. And if you look my vote was on nick 4 days before the end of day one.

[bob3141]

Didn't really like gobble's eod yesterday (selfvote for his mistake, progression on Nicholai, throwaway vote on Looker, appeal to me to meta defend him despite him calling me scum).

Bob feels different from the last game in that he's actually trying to figure it out so I can see town!Bob, but it's part gut and I think he has the ability to fake that.

PP give you reasons as this was you last post on me that wasnt a vote or few word post

[bob3141]

Also do players realy think that i could be scum on the same team as nick?

I think every every player not confirmed shoudl explain how this pairing works with there scum read on me

Your vote on Nona/Nich was very early game

Spoiler:

can we just lynch nicholai

just imagine a game where he's alive for multiple day phases

Then we have this vote that pushed nich to l-2.

You say lets just end teh day and lynch nick

yet you had never even given a view on him. Never said at that point anything about why you scum read nick enough to be in your top 2 players to lynch


prior you had been voting pp and then after that wagon collapsed you rejoined pps wagon

Rb as far as i can see every time a wagon collapse you move to another one thats growing.

PP collapses onto looker teh first time and the nick grows to 4. And you switch. When nick collapses you switch back to pp

im feeling certian one of rb , skitter and gooble is scum.

Gooble im feelign most likely town of the 3. Or at the very least not scum with nick. So i feel those 2 players are either t and t or t and s but not s and s

Yes, I do think you could be scum with Nich. Why couldn't you?

So let me get this right you are scum reading me for one for one finding nick early and two questioning rb.


Lets look at those post you quoted shall we.

The first one i want rb view on nick. Do you think thats unreasonable? I want to know were rb vote comes from. Its very easy for scum to jump on there partners wagon but harder to give a reason that simply doesnt make it worse. SO i wanted to know rb reason so i could get insight into if he was town or scum.

the second one. I outright say that i think rb vote on nick isnt genuine. And that his vote switched back to PP rather quickly, leaving me feeling that it was a bus. And that rb jumped on nick just to been to be on him.

And teh 3rd. One how has that got anythign to do with nick at all. That was simply me sayign taht at teh time i think at least oen of group is scum and that at teh time i didnt think two players were partners.

Th reason i didnt think gooble was scum at the time with nick. is that when nick tried to find scum read on me gooble straight away undercut it

wut? You voted the slot early then left it and didn't return, but used it to scum read others. That was in response to you "couldn't be on the same team as Nich." I don't see at all how your behavior around the slot precludes you from being teamed with them. That's not why I think you could be scum...I've already explained that.

p-edit

Early votes on partners and then letting go is easy and common.

Oh geez - can you use one spelling? I missed your later Nich vote because you've been calling him Nick but voted Nicholai.

The key word is explain. I want to see players explain so i can see who is genuine or who is fake. As it forces players to provide an analysis of how they came to that conclusion and how it all fits together.


If you look at any of my games. I question everyone. I question those i think are scum and i question those that join said pushs. I want to know if im right.


For instance why i questioned kerset. And from the answers i concluded that slot was likely town. Thats why after point you never see me scum reading him. At most teh odd question but thats it

[bob3141]

voting nich early, switching off at the first chance, and then trying to divert pressure from them after that

bob man bad!

Thats a very simplistic analysis. You need to look deeper.


I ask you if i was scum why would i even vote nona early.


if i was scum why would i bother to unvote nona. Why wouldn't i simply stay on it?


In your opionion what was this so called divertion?


Do you think my push on nick was fake?
What do you think of nick push on me?

[bob3141]

You seem to saying that i diverted pressure but im struggling to see how you came to that conclusion. I can only conclude your looking realy simplistically and taking any attempt to sort players as diversion. And ask them questiosn when they post stuff with no backing.

[bob3141]

it's very common for scum to vote their partners early in the game and then unvote them later

voting scum without making any kind of significant push on them, while simultaneously attacking people who do push them is very scummy

But inst that exactly what you did?

I was pushing nick and then you started pushing me. A player that had been pushing nicks slots for the last 6-7 days.

[bob3141]

VOTE: Turkey

VOTE: Bob

Locking my vote here

And what your justification for as you say lockign your vote here. Not to sure what you mean by locked but im assuming you mean that you cant see it moving. Its not a joke vote unlike mine. SO there must be some reason behind it?

After all if it does mean your sure on it, I find that quite odd after all were not even through the first day.

I don't like how you discredited someones read on you by "you always scumread me," sounds like garbage

profii is town

Nona town

so what made you think nona was town back then? a slot we now know to be scum

[bob3141]

1. Frank - town
2. PenguinPower - town pr or scum
3. Wake88** - town
4. Looker - fuck
5. gobbledygook - town
6. rb - scum
7. popsofctown - town
8. bob3141 - scum
9. Kerset - bad
10. profii - town
11. BBmolla - town
12. skitter30 - town
13. NicholaiNona* - town

GET THE FUCK OFF YOUR ASSES

LIKE HOLY FUCK I'M LYNCHBAIT AND IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO HAS PLAYED THIS GAME BEFORE

I'M LIKE FLYPAPER TO SCUM, THEY SEE ME AND SEE AN EASY LYNCH

I JUST WENT THROUGH THIS, HOW MANY TIMES MUST I REPEAT TILL IT BECOMES CLEAR THAT IF I'M BEING WAGONED EARLY I'M FUCKING TOWN?

what do you think of this post now in reflection.

That of your early wagon

bbmola ---- Kerset (t), PenguinPower, rb , pops (t)

we now know kerset, pop and rb are town. With PP being a highly likely bg who coudl be proven if he falls doign his duty

[bob3141]

no, i never voted nona/nich early, unvoted and then attacked people attacking them

once i had a scumread on nicholai, it never changed

my scumread on you had a lot to do with them being scum (which i was correct about). attacking you never had a chance of being a roundabout defense of nicholai: it was an accusation of shared guilt

i was on about you attacking players that were pushing nick.

You might have claimed to eb scum reading him at that point but what you did was start pushing me. Look back at your posts there.

I only start scum reading when without a word you do a hole U turn on your read on me. A player that had been pushing nick a player you claimed to scum read.

No progression but as soon as i start lookign at teh vote history out of the blue a scum read.

Dont you think i might think you were scum first bussing and then trying to chainsaw me. When i continued to push nick

[bob3141]

I am thinking right now that Pops is town and Skitter might be town.

VOTE: Bob3141

So how does you think those two are town lead to a vote on me.

Is you reasoning linked to those 2 town reads. As even if you had prior to that vote you had been voting for oen of them. Why me over all others. As apart from replys to my joke comments ive not seen any games related commentry on me from you

Good question from Bob here. I think I'd rather vote gobble

VOTE: gobble

And nona if your reasonign for gooble is on my posts. Why not even vote for kerset.

As you pick out of three players that my read depends on kerset being scum. The logical thing would be that you woudl vote for kerset first. And then its not even a solid poe. Just a potential

Why choose gooble over the other 2. One of which you were already voting for

VOTE: Nona

VOTE: Nona

VOTE: Looker

I think Nona has a good chance of being scum reading her iso

[bob3141]

my post wasnt meant to be in that. not use to using mutli quote yet

[bob3141]

the range of a50's play is pretty diverse and there's a lot of overlap between his scum and town play for sure, but this ain't it

yes i too am frustrated that he plays like this and gets to be townread for it but that's just a50

I mean, I am not frustrated with him or his play. I think he and FL are cut from the same cloth, but what I am noticing here is that he is

not

playing like his conspiracy-theorist normal self.

He seems kind of resigned to the fact that he is about to get lynched, which makes sense given two mafia died within 24 hours of one another.

Objectively, I think my play here does not make sense as scum. Asking to be vigged is not what mafia do. Yes, wifom and all, but really I think we should be looking at Looker's iso. He clearly felt something was wrong with his own iso by the way he reacted in his final moments in this game.

actualy i have seen scum asked to be vigged. So you asking doesnt mean you cant be town

[bob3141]

nor scum

[bob3141]

Eh you sat on a dissipated scum wagon while I was being wagoned and without pushing it. I'm not giving you townpoints for that.

And i was very much against that wagon. Why i started questioning those on it.

[bob3141]

VOTE: gooble

we have a pool of frank, gooble, bbmola, a50 and me

I dont think its frank or a50. I know im town

That leaves bmolla and gooble.

we have 3 lynches to get scum. One of the list rb has clear on. Thast 3 lynches in 4 players.

As said implied at teh closing of day 2 with teh string of questions directed at gooble. That i was leaning towards him

[bob3141]

gooble can you anwser my posts from the end of day 2 pls

[bob3141]

it takes 5 to lynch your on l-2

[bob3141]

gooble teh lynch pool for today is 5 of which rb knows one is cleared.

If your scum you know then that the lynch pool is 4 players with 3 lynchs.

next to that you have 2 pr claims and 2 claimed clears.

And you have max of 2 nights left. Thus 2 kills.


of pr claims you rb who is town psychologist and pp a claimed bg. Who coudl easily die during one of the nights by virtue of his role.

PP says he has been informed there is strongman. And that singular role is implied.

So pops is cleared and another who rb is yet to say.

So even if you still have the ability to strongman. thats still means your likely to face 2 highly confirmed townies. Giving you one lynch option.

If you dont have any shots left. Well then you have already lost. As you will most likely have a block of 3 confirmed townies in lylo.

[bob3141]

VOTE: Looker

I think Nona has a good chance of being scum reading her iso

At this point what was you read on looker based on. Also explain your read at this point on nona

As you never vote for nick later when he gets to 5 votes

What changed between this post and then

[bob3141]

I may be falling into the too scummy to be scum trap, but I don’t think Nicholai is scum. I think whoever said they hate how day 1 turns into utility lynches is probably town too. I need to re-evaluate this game because too many people occupy a grey zone in my mind and I’ve been following a long the entire phase.

talk about you reasonign here.

This is at a point where nicholia has got up to 5 votes. Ealier when he got his 3rd vote and a 4th was actively pushign that slot and was sure to join. You vote bbmola, not nick and not looker a player who you had been voting ealier

What was you read on nick that caused you to coem to this conclusion. Also how had you read on looker changed. As you were clearly must have been scum reading bbmola over both nona/nick and looker. since you voted for bbmola aroudn this point. Over teh two leading lynches that were looker and nick who both flipped scum

[bob3141]

Votecount 1.13

Looker

(3) — Wake88, PenguinPower, popsofctown

Nicholai

(3) — profii, bob3141, rb

PenguinPower

(1) — BBmolla

BBmolla

(1) — gobbledygook

profii

(0) —

skitter30

(0) —

gobbledygook

(0) —

Frank

(0) —

bob3141

(0) —

Wake88

(0) —

Kerset

(0) —

rb

(0) — Nicholai

popsofctown

(0) —

Not Voting

(0) — Looker, Frank, skitter30, Kerset

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-01-05 21:53:00)

Mod Notes

: -skitt is very VLA on weekends and also on NYE/NYD
-Nona has not picked up their prod but because I am very merciful and also tired they can keep their spot if they come back before I wake up
-Wake88 is VLA indefinitely
-kerset hates me
-Frank is VLA for NYE/NYD, pls remember to bold requests to me
-Your mod is still occupied by holiday things and so while there is a list of flavour to be added none of it has been written yet

think this is the nearest vote count

and this was were teh votes were when you voted bbmola

Looker

(2) — Wake88, PenguinPower,

Nicholai

(3) — profii, , skitter, frank

PenguinPower

(2) — BBmolla, rb

BBmolla

(1) — gobbledygook

so when nick was one 3 and was clearly going to be on 4 shortly. why did you not want to vote for him.
also why not looker a player you prior voted for. Who you scum read ealier. who could of been pushed to 3 and maybe more. What since this point and when you first said you scum read him , made you town read him enough not to push his slot.

[bob3141]

rb have you told us who your clear is on yet.

[bob3141]

im realy starting think the rest of you town will actualy mess this one up. When it should be in the bag

[bob3141]

the reasoning for me being scum is awful. It truely is.

So far all anyone has been able to come up with a few sentance lines of cookie cutter arguements. They cant even go into depth they just double down on what ever simplistic read they had. This day so far feels more liek a game of bingo

[bob3141]

If you serously think i am scum then you realy do need to serously relook at your reads. As there clearly quiet awful.

so far only one game i have not come to the right solve and that was because i swallowed the sets up red herring. and wrongly cleared one of day one scum read.

[bob3141]

what ever you say doesnt make your reads any better. Atleast you admit its some what of poe lynch.

But soem are making out that there great solvers. When there read is srously simplistic and just as likely to snare townies as scum

[bob3141]

im not talking about you pops.

But so far ive not had single good reason put to me that marks me as scum. All ive seen is 3 small points that are ever so circumstantial. and are little better than random.


I go about tryign to get teh reasons for peopel why they are goign for that player and another and i get scum read for it. I soem that know your own reads are never perfect so im not going to sit on few day old vote for ever. Just because that person flipped a small red flag.

And not equire after every player. And in response i get scum read for it. as players see any attempt to question them or being scum read as sign there scum


its just exhausting

[bob3141]

@bob: Would you be mad if I hammered just to end the day already? Like, I already said I lean town on you by play (VCA not so much though), and I still think it's BBm. However, we keep going in circles and nothing new is being brought to the table. I want to prove that my read on you is better than anyone else's tbh, but I know how it feels to be lynched for no good reason, so I won't hammer unless you tell me to.

i will be greatful to get to wtch from teh dead thread

[bob3141]

PP was in bit of bind. If he had surived to lylo he would have been sure scum.

The odds of him suriving to lylo as town bg were certainly low.

you had confirmed pops. a50 and frank clearly being town. A pr that would leave a hole in town power if scum.

So any chance of a win would resolve around taking confirmed town pops in 3 player lylo.

[bob3141]

I didn’t even notice that he tried to strategically replace out.

It appeared in the mod post during night state

I see everything

yep that was supper obvous. Even more so then if he had surived the night.

[bob3141]

scum being unlucky and losing 2 scum day made that role really strong.

But a dead rb would have always ended in your lynch. As a dead rb woudl ask the question why wasnt he strongmaned n2. Only gooble could have had reason to kill skitter over rb. Thus if gooble was lynched and flipped town it would beg the question why wasnt rb killed ealier.

So was always going to ask the question how come pp inst dead. If scum could of killed rb they would have and if they couldnt teh strongman has been used up. Thus why didnt pp die instead