mini 2126: the game is OVRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alchemist21 · Post Post #15 (isolation #0) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:11 am

Townvibes on Penguin already.

Also scumvibes on this guy.

VOTE: Clidd

Alchemist21 · Post Post #27 (isolation #1) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:20 am

There he goes with those pagetops again.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #30 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:22 am

If you ain't first you're last.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #42 (isolation #3) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:28 am

In post 37, clidd wrote:
In post 30, Alchemist21 wrote:If you ain't first you're last.
i don't like this guy, seems a robot on his reactions

Is it because I already called you scum on Page 1?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #60 (isolation #4) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:37 am

In post 58, Firebringer wrote:Alchemist I think ur rushing into this game a bit fast for u

What up?

R u gonna be town with me or town against me?!?!

Town with you.

Krazy's game that just ended showed what happens when Town stays quiet and scum controls everything and since I'm usually one of the quiet ones I need to step up more.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #69 (isolation #5) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:41 am

In post 65, Firebringer wrote:
In post 60, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 58, Firebringer wrote:Alchemist I think ur rushing into this game a bit fast for u

What up?

R u gonna be town with me or town against me?!?!
Town with you.

Krazy's game that just ended showed what happens when Town stays quiet and scum controls everything and since I'm usually one of the quiet ones I need to step up more.
Hmmhmmm feels strange to townread me this early. Kind of suspicious if u ask me

I've played with you enough times to think you're Town here. I'll also be heartbroken if you're scum and we can't get our old trend of being the same alignment back again.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #75 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:45 am

In post 73, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 69, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 65, Firebringer wrote:
In post 60, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 58, Firebringer wrote:Alchemist I think ur rushing into this game a bit fast for u

What up?

R u gonna be town with me or town against me?!?!
Town with you.

Krazy's game that just ended showed what happens when Town stays quiet and scum controls everything and since I'm usually one of the quiet ones I need to step up more.
Hmmhmmm feels strange to townread me this early. Kind of suspicious if u ask me
I've played with you enough times to think you're Town here. I'll also be heartbroken if you're scum and we can't get our old trend of being the same alignment back again.
What do you think is town indicative out of FB?

Town him will try to solve the game while scum him will just dick around and troll everyone.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #95 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:55 am

In post 89, Comical wrote:but I wouldn't skip getting a Harvey's tray when traveling to Toronto

I have no idea what this means.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #187 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:54 am

In post 140, OkaPoka wrote:clidd

what do we say to the god of death

Why do you keep asking this?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #194 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:59 am

In post 189, Auro wrote:Why yikes? That looks like a transparently town thought.

I think so too. I don't agree with Dann's idea that scum are less likely to flail but I can see why he'd think that.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #195 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:00 am

In post 192, OkaPoka wrote:well whats the answer?

Idk. "Kill me senpai?"

Alchemist21 · Post Post #206 (isolation #11) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:12 am

In post 201, Auro wrote:Do you believe that also applies to newbies?

Dann isn't a newbie so why would this be relevant?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #208 (isolation #12) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:13 am

In post 205, Auro wrote:I assumed Clidd was a Newbie (somehow gut inferred off his play)

Oh you thought we were talking about Clidd. We were talking about what Dann said.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #215 (isolation #13) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:19 am

In post 213, OkaPoka wrote:i am saying yikes to clidd but i thought we were talking about dann having a transparently town thought process

That's what I thought too.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #222 (isolation #14) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:40 am

In post 174, Comical wrote:
In post 168, Dannflor wrote:
In post 164, clidd wrote:i insist we lynch comical

it was very explicit what she tried to do there

she flips scum=Pine scum
clidd what does it tell you that no one else really seems to be seeing what you're seeing
I’m pretty sure I just had their number and Clidd is playing up what’s getting them townread.

If you're still convinced it's Clidd then why did you move to Auro?

There's a part of me thinking that in this whole triangle of Clidd-Pine-Comical it could just be Pine who's scum and Clidd and Comical were overthinking each others' moves here, but the vote change from Comical makes me unsure. Still think I'd rather go with Pine here though.

VOTE: Pine

Alchemist21 · Post Post #262 (isolation #15) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:26 pm

Here's where I'm at with you two:

The way Clidd went from calling for Pine's lynch to voting you for voting Pine does look like it was premeditated, and trying to accuse a Town player of being scum who's going for Towncred is a move I've personally tried to do as scum before, but if he thinks scum would want to side with a mislynch for Towncred it does make sense that he would try to bait scum into doing it. On the other side, it did look odd when Clidd called for Pine's lynch and didn't vote him and it was a good callout from Comical, especially if you think it's scum distancing from a partner but afraid of an actual backlash wagon on their partner. Comic's vote on Pine came off as a "put your money where your mouth is" move to me to see if Clidd would actually vote Pine and instead got Clidd voting them instead.

I've toyed with the different combinations of alignments for you in my head and the scenario that makes the most sense to me is that they're both Town who tried to trap scum and now think each other is caught scum while both are forgetting about Pine, which I do think is a slot that needs more attention.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #316 (isolation #16) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:33 am

In post 292, Zulfy wrote:257 is an actual thing then: fine. Sig becomes relevant

How's the sig relevant? "bei Gelegenheit" is just German for "on occasion" according to Google translate.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #351 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:53 pm

In post 328, OkaPoka wrote:lol but also on the flip we have alchemist who says hes the real scum of comical v clidd but the dude has three posts that arent walls or anyhting crazy like that

I think Clidd was kinda right that Pine's vote on him was weak, and Pine's overall entrance was weak. Additionally, if I drew 3 names from the 12 of you the odds that at least one of the names were scum is ~60%, and I know 3 slots interacting isn't exactly random but I think it's still a good way to look at it and I'm thinking both Clidd and Comical are Town. It's not like I'm 100% sure on Pine being scum but I think it's a good vote.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #352 (isolation #18) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:58 pm

OkaPoka what are your reads right now?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #374 (isolation #19) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:23 pm

In post 371, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 367, Firebringer wrote:no scumreads! wth.
I know right?! it's so rare for me to not have scumreads!

Luna please don’t be scum because I don’t want to lynch someone with a cute avi.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #478 (isolation #20) » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:14 am

In post 452, Eddie Cane wrote:I must insist on Pine's inclusion.

Why?

Also Fire is right that I wouldn't join that alliance.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #497 (isolation #21) » Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:05 am

In post 495, OkaPoka wrote:I have my first scumread!

Well don’t keep us in suspense, man!

Alchemist21 · Post Post #583 (isolation #22) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:21 am

@Clidd, you were scumreading Comical for avoiding questions about her voting Pine but she was challenging you on your lack of a Pine vote, which was a fair point from her. Y’all were both doing the same thing of refusing to answer each other because you thought the other was scum and didn’t want to give up control of the conversation. I’m seeing two sides of the same coin here and it’s why I’m Townreading both of you.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #589 (isolation #23) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:46 am

4 since Auro sheeped your vote.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #597 (isolation #24) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:08 am

@Auro,

since you left the wagon are you going to say why you were scumreading Dann in the first place?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #690 (isolation #25) » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:26 am

I legit lol’d at that.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #746 (isolation #26) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:37 am

VOTE: Auro

I think this is a good place to start.

Dannfloor and Eddie Cane are also good votes.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #750 (isolation #27) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:39 am

In post 747, Auro wrote:
In post 746, Alchemist21 wrote:I think this is a good place to start.
Reasons?

It's not a solid feeling but it feels like you're trying to start a NKA discussion to lead Town to the wrong conclusions about why Firebringer was killed.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #751 (isolation #28) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:40 am

Penguin you were supposed to take that page top.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #756 (isolation #29) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:43 am

In post 752, Auro wrote:Interesting that you'd rather just vote me directly instead of seeing where I would "lead" town to first.

Why would it matter? I wouldn't trust any conclusion about the Firebringer kill.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #759 (isolation #30) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:47 am

In post 753, Auro wrote:And as town who thinks the Fire NKA is a good lead, what do you think I would do, Alchie?

I think you'd just go ahead and give the conclusion of your own personal analysis rather than host an open discussion that that would give scum into the Town's opinions and help them steer them the wrong way.

Instead of saying what you think, you're looking for what everyone else thinks and I think that could be because you're scum trying to get a feel for the room.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #772 (isolation #31) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:02 am

In post 762, Auro wrote:I did give one conclusion from personal analysis: that we could weakly PoE players who Fire specifically dragged to play, since I don't think they would kill him N1

That was given in response to the number of posts saying Fire was the reason they joined.

What personal analysis can I make of who Fire has good reads on?

I don't expect any N1 NKA to be good tbh because of how many different reasons someone could be killed. It's not really the lack of NKA from you that bothers me, it's you trying to see other's in a way that I think is highly open to manipulation. If it really was just because you don't have much experience with FB, then fine I'm wrong.

What other personal analysis can I make? I looked at the ISO loosely already; there's nothing much there.

It's not really true that there's nothing there in Fire's ISO. There's scumreads on you, Dannfloor, and myself. It's enough that someone who wanted to could try to make an analysis, but again it's not the actual lack of analysis that bothers me here.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #775 (isolation #32) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:04 am

In post 774, Auro wrote:
In post 772, Alchemist21 wrote:It's not really true that there's nothing there in Fire's ISO. There's scumreads on you
Have you read the ISO right now to verify that?
If you haven't, read it again - do you stick by this?

Yes.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #777 (isolation #33) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:04 am

Penguin that's another pagetop. Quit slacking.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #780 (isolation #34) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:07 am

In post 776, Auro wrote:
In post 772, Alchemist21 wrote:it's you trying to see other's in a way that I think is highly open to manipulation.
Which method of analyzing other players is not highly open to manipulation?

The kind that doesn't give scum the chance to form good-sounding answers that Town wants to hear.

p-edit: Damn, Penguin, really? Sorry to hear that. Hope you stay healthy out there.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #784 (isolation #35) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:10 am

In post 156, Firebringer wrote:
In post 155, Auro wrote:Noice, RCE town too.
Auro is scum!

In post 158, Firebringer wrote:VOTE: Auro

I got ur number auro

In post 159, Firebringer wrote:Auro can’t have a good read on rce yet because I don’t have one

He is lying and therefore scum

I have made the case now let’s get him

You might think he was joking but he kept the vote there for some time, then asked you specifically about Dann and me, his other 2 scumreads. He doesn't do that without some level of suspicion on you.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #788 (isolation #36) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:16 am

In post 782, Auro wrote:
In post 780, Alchemist21 wrote:The kind that doesn't give scum the chance to form good-sounding answers that Town wants to hear.
Sure, name a specific example of such a method.

The kind RC uses. This is getting sidetracked away from the original point.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #790 (isolation #37) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:19 am

In post 785, Auro wrote:How much experience do you have with Fire?
Does the reasoning in his early "scumread" on me strike as concrete to you?

Do you believe town!Fire cares about where his vote is while he's playing the game?
Do you believe town in general would care much about where their vote is?

He's somewhere in the list of Top 3 posters I've played the most games with.

Yes he cares; I've said earlier that Town Firebringer does try to solve the game. He suspected you less than Dann or me, and I think half of his vote/discussion with you was trying to solidify a read on you, but you were definitely in his suspect pool.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #792 (isolation #38) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:23 am

In post 789, Auro wrote:Specifically what?

I don't know how exactly he figures out who's scum, but once he has a suspect he says so and then aggressively pursues that lynch. Nobody can really steer him away from the wagon which cuts out the chance for scum interference.

There's an old article on the wiki by Albert B. Rampage discussing a similar thing, about focusing on scum and getting them lynched.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #798 (isolation #39) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:29 am

In post 791, Auro wrote:
In post 790, Alchemist21 wrote:I've said earlier that Town Firebringer does try to solve the game.
This doesn't answer my question. My question was about whether Fire actually cares about vote placement, specifically in this instance of unvoting someone he changed his mind on while figuring out a different scumread.

I don't know tbh. I don't pay as much attention to unvotes in games.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #799 (isolation #40) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:29 am

In post 793, Auro wrote:Well, I'm sorry that I don't personally follow "tunneling" as a method of scumhunting?

Fair enough. I am a known tunneler.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #806 (isolation #41) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:35 am

In post 804, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 801, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 795, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 770, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 768, RCEnigma wrote:Vote people off the island.

In some order of Dann, comical, auro.
why is the one person who is most responsible suspiciously off the list
I still don't have Eddie cane related opinions. Someone else will have to figure it out.
I mean then it sounds like Pine wagon isn't really the deciding factor of why you picked your pool, your just using it as a vehicle to push your pool? whats the real reason here
It was a shit flash wagon. I'm not going to hold Eddie more accountable than the sheep.

Do you hold Comical more accountable for it? Or is there another reason you have Comical in your pool?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #814 (isolation #42) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:46 am

In post 809, RCEnigma wrote:It was mostly how vocal comical was about pine being scum and specifically with Clidd but not taking action until the flash wagon.

Could be town excited their scumread is getting pressure but I can also see scum motivation there as opposed to off wagon hunting slots with no take on pine one way or the other.

The way Comical joined the wagon made it obvious who Comical is and I thought you would have realized it too and had a more meta-based read.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #816 (isolation #43) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:48 am

In post 813, RCEnigma wrote:Am I on a different planet right now?

No. I agree with you, if there's no actual threat of a lynch then the wagon on them wouldn't really be pressure. I'm sure there's scum on the wagon too but I don't think the lynch was bad for Town tbh.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #821 (isolation #44) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:50 am

Oka's response here is more Town indicative though, I think. I don't think scum would really challenge the notion that scum were on the Pine wagon like Oka's doing.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #823 (isolation #45) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:51 am

In post 817, RCEnigma wrote:Oh, no I do 0 alt hunting now.

Neither do I but it was really obvious after that vote.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #824 (isolation #46) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:52 am

In post 822, OkaPoka wrote:When did I argue scum is or is not on the wagon. lol wtf

...

Then why are you taking so much issue with RCE's line of logic?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #826 (isolation #47) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:53 am

There ya go!

Alchemist21 · Post Post #834 (isolation #48) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:14 am

@Comical why do you think RCE is scum here?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #836 (isolation #49) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:24 am

I can see that reasoning, though I still don't think it's wrong to want to lynch on the Pine wagon rather than off.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #845 (isolation #50) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:30 am

In post 841, Comical wrote:RCE is faking not knowing

I've been thinking this too but idk what purpose that would really serve. It could just be genuine laziness.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #850 (isolation #51) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:35 am

In post 848, RCEnigma wrote:Is it FL? If it is, that's scum.

Spicy take. Can you elaborate?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #856 (isolation #52) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:40 am

In post 853, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 850, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 848, RCEnigma wrote:Is it FL? If it is, that's scum.
Spicy take. Can you elaborate?
Pls confirm before I make an ass of myself.

Out of respect for alts in general I won't confirm or deny; I'll let Comical out themself if they so choose.

(I know it sounds silly given the context but that's my policy and I'm sticking to it.)

Alchemist21 · Post Post #880 (isolation #53) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:05 am

In post 878, Luna Fox wrote:So what was I doing again.
Oh yeah
VOTE: Penguin

Aren't you interested in what's going on between RCE and Comical?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #882 (isolation #54) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:07 am

In post 879, Comical wrote:I wonder who’s discussing with RCE on what he should claim.

If it involves a senzu bean I swear it didn't come from me.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #973 (isolation #55) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:44 am

We should let the Night Kills resolve them. We've all been in a Normal with 2 vigs before so 2 Gunsmiths is a possibility to me.

Alchemist21 · Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:38 am

Nothing about Auro’s reaction to my push on him has made me feel better about him.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1164 (isolation #57) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:54 pm

In post 1161, Auro wrote:
In post 772, Alchemist21 wrote:If it really was just because you don't have much experience with FB, then fine I'm wrong.
So your initial premise is defeated (feel free to verify my lack of major experience with Fire): can you explain your scumread on me now?

Your discussion with me and push on me feels like you just want me to stop scumreading you and not like you actually tried to sort me. You fluffed up our discussion with questions that weren’t really relevant and with everyone scumreading you, not just me, you put a lot of focus into trying to invalidate the reasons people are scumreading you.

And by the way my initial premise isn’t defeated because the important parts don’t require you to have experience with Firebringer. What you quoted is just my admission that I could be wrong and you’re telling the truth but I have yet to see posts from you that show me that you’re approaching this situation with a Town mindset rather than a scum one.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1167 (isolation #58) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:53 pm

Ok Auro. Those WF quotes are enough for me to give you some breathing room here.

UNVOTE: Auro

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1318 (isolation #59) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:45 am

@Eddie

Are you actually scumreading Dann or is it just a lack of a Townread on him for you?

Also have you 2 played a lot together? The main reason Dann's in my pool is because of posts he made about you but if you have a lot of history together it might change how I see those posts.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1320 (isolation #60) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:45 am

In post 1308, Something_Smart wrote:It me.

Belatedly honoring Firebringer's request for me to join, RIP.

Welcome!

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1394 (isolation #61) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:24 am

Auro's managed to move himself into my Townpile now.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1398 (isolation #62) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:30 am

VOTE: Dannflor

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1402 (isolation #63) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:38 am

In post 1400, Something_Smart wrote:I have a really hard time wrapping my head around the fact that Boon all but claimed a gunsmith guilty on RCE, then RCE claimed a role that has a gun, without realizing it had a gun.

Is that so crazy though? Roles like Cops and Gunsmiths have guns but I wouldn't expect them to if I never checked the wiki; I would expect it to produce positives on people that can actually kill.

Alchemist21 · Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:34 am

In post 1405, Comical wrote:Auro did correctly town read in a recent game almost too much and i thought he was possible scum for it.

How is this relevant to the rest of the post.

Do you really think what we did could be scum theater?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1479 (isolation #65) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:26 pm

In post 1476, OkaPoka wrote:btw fwiw fyi

So many acronyms smh my head.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1483 (isolation #66) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:32 pm

In post 1480, OkaPoka wrote:y did u omgus dann alchemist

and should i become an omguser myself

Because he's been in my pool since Day started and I wasn't really decided on whether to vote him or Eddie, and then Dann's naked vote was annoying enough for me to decide on him with an equally nude vote.

And yes you should.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1487 (isolation #67) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:36 pm

In post 1484, OkaPoka wrote:ok but why was he in your pool

His D1 Townread on Eddie had too much elaboration for a Townread on a slot that just lolposted all day. It seemed awkward and forced to me. I asked Eddie how much they played together because that could kind of influence my opinion on it but I never got an answer outside of Auro mentioning one game.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1489 (isolation #68) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:37 pm

I'm kinda confused about why Dann switched from me to Oka.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1492 (isolation #69) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:40 pm

In post 1490, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 1487, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1484, OkaPoka wrote:ok but why was he in your pool
His D1 Townread on Eddie had too much elaboration for a Townread on a slot that just lolposted all day. It seemed awkward and forced to me. I asked Eddie how much they played together because that could kind of influence my opinion on it but I never got an answer outside of Auro mentioning one game.
i thought he scumread eddie

I'm talking about this:

In post 609, Dannflor wrote:Hi, sorry, I've been disassociated from this game pretty heavily. Not from lack of time, just from general inability to focus because of RL which... yeah.

So, I've only really been paying half my attention to this game and as a result I think a lot of my thoughts have been half-baked. For instance, reading back through I don't really think Eddie Cane is scum anymore. I'll still explain why I thought so because otherwise Okapoka is going to be disappointed in me, but really all my previously mentioned reads are like... amorphous piles of goo.

Basically, I thought EC was scum because he wasn't really trying. There are a number of reasons for this beyond alignment, but I thought alignment was the most likely answer. In Team Mafia, even when EC was mostly V/LA for the first few days, he still popped into the Open with game relevant takes. Now, Team Mafia is a different beast of course, but I've also read a few of EC's town games and he's usually still *a presence* in the early game, even during early games where he's complaining about boredom or nothing happening or bad players. He'll be like "I have one read," or "I have three reads and you're all trash," and try to spark discussion through enigmatic content like that.

Here, I felt like he was just floating around but without the extra little oomph that makes his town game. Then he voted me and I thought "hm wanting to kill me D1 because it would be funny 'regardless of my flip' when I'm a pretty polarized player is a suspicious thing to say," and then I moved my vote to see if EC would get into the game and eventually move his vote or choose who he really wanted to kill. He hasn't done that, but like:

In post 603, Eddie Cane wrote:I honestly have 0 real reads.
This is pretty earnest, a pretty stupid thing for scum to say at this stage of the game, and pretty much how I'm feeling now. It also explains half the qualms I had with him, and really, the other half was me latching onto stuff because I was trying to find stuff to latch onto.

I don't think this makes EC hard town or anything, but I would generally expect scum!EC to have a stronger presence by this point. Even though I know he strongly prefers town, he's good at both alignments and I *think* he'd be slightly more likely to do-nothing as town until he finds something to get him into the game, thus relying on his ability to townspew when he needs it. As scum I think it'd be more advantageous for him to get a foothold early.

That said, I've literally never seen EC's scum game so my analysis is based in very little.

So really what this entire post is trying to say is that I've moved EC from a wavering scum read to a slight town lean

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1530 (isolation #70) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:30 pm

In post 1524, Dannflor wrote:Alchemist, I voted you because I an really struggling to find scum reads in this game and you were just a slot I didn't feel like I had significant reason to town read.
You were also attacking a recent town read of mine in Auro.

I moved off of you because I
1. got bored
2. found another slot I didn't have good reason to townread

Although I still don't feel like I have good reasons to town read you. Am I your top scum read?
Where does Auro rank now that you're giving him some space?

Your vote on me came immediately after I called Auro Town, so why should I believe that this post, especially the bolded parts, is genuine?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1532 (isolation #71) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:32 pm

In post 1531, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 1528, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 1526, Dannflor wrote:move on to me i dare you
i really want to but i also want eddie to wine and dine me into voting you
tbh i think if i had a confident read i could just clout kill them i don't need to waste wine

The only way to waste wine is by pouring it on the ground.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1539 (isolation #72) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:35 pm

In post 1535, PenguinPower wrote:You're the only person I don't really want in this game....sorry?

I know you're a penguin but that's cold.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1607 (isolation #73) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:13 pm

In post 1605, Dannflor wrote:VOTE: idany

this game ain't big enough for the both of us

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1629 (isolation #74) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:58 pm

In post 1618, Comical wrote:I go by Danny/Danathon in the real world.

Zulfy and I are both named Daniel too.

Too many Dans in this game.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1630 (isolation #75) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:58 pm

Now all we need is Anix to join somehow.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1631 (isolation #76) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:04 pm

In post 1628, Luna Fox wrote:I dont understand why im still in your pool, but you're as stubborn as it goes, I don't care for changing your mind, I can only hope that you see for yourself throughout the rest of the game.

Do you think people should be Townreading you right now?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1633 (isolation #77) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:23 pm

In post 1632, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 1631, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1628, Luna Fox wrote:I dont understand why im still in your pool, but you're as stubborn as it goes, I don't care for changing your mind, I can only hope that you see for yourself throughout the rest of the game.
Do you think people should be Townreading you right now?
Yes.
But that may be biased i guess.

Ok. What are the reasons why you think we should be Townreading you? Like, what posts should we be looking at and going "yeah this is Town Luna?"

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1717 (isolation #78) » Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:25 pm

Vote Dannflor and watch things pick up.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1764 (isolation #79) » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:12 am

Coronavirus is killing the game.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1780 (isolation #80) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:25 pm

Like library books?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1783 (isolation #81) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:22 pm

In post 1782, OkaPoka wrote:this is some ms.net 2014 shit

god am i glad for hyperposting meta

I prefer a balance. I don’t want a dead game but I also hate waking up to 5 pages added by just 3 different slots where they’re basically yelling the same things back and forth.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1788 (isolation #82) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:51 pm

VOTE: Schadd_
VOTE: Schadd_
VOTE: Schadd_
VOTE: Schadd_
VOTE: Schadd_
VOTE: Schadd_

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1789 (isolation #83) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:52 pm

With 6 votes, Schadd_ has been lynched! He was an

omniscient Jester

. Schadd_ has won the game!

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1792 (isolation #84) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:54 pm

NO I DON'T WANNA LYNCH THE FOX

AVI IS TOO CUTE

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1793 (isolation #85) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:54 pm

VOTE: Dannflor

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1800 (isolation #86) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:00 pm

Let's build wagons on both Dans and see which one scum tries to save.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1801 (isolation #87) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:01 pm

That idea pagetopped so you know it's a good idea.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1810 (isolation #88) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:10 pm

Very well. The old pacts shall be honored.

VOTE: iDanyboy

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1826 (isolation #89) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:41 pm

That's not specific enough because there's 2 Dans.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1830 (isolation #90) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:42 pm

Ok so before Eddie comes in and lolhammers again does somebody wanna help me come up with a new sig? This one's sorely outdated.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1834 (isolation #91) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:13 pm

Hey, wanna see me tempt fate?

"Can 2020 get any worse?"

I said it ironically so I think we'll be fine.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1846 (isolation #92) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:41 am

In post 1843, OkaPoka wrote:Now that's interesting :p

See what you got me into?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1847 (isolation #93) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:42 am

In post 1845, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1834, Alchemist21 wrote:"Can 2020 get any worse?"
Bruh we've got an election coming up later this year. No matter your political affiliation, the answer to this question is always yes

Oh crap you’re right.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1850 (isolation #94) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:49 am

In post 1848, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 1846, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1843, OkaPoka wrote:Now that's interesting :p
See what you got me into?
We got some good content now

I had the messiah complex

But i was blind

You are the messiah

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1852 (isolation #95) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:17 am

In post 1809, Auro wrote:Let's get him to L-1, get a claim, see if the resulting AtE is good enough to make us not wanna lynch him

Btw I thought you were looking for an actual response from Dany, not just a claim?

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1854 (isolation #96) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:10 am

Guys I think I figured out how we can win this game instantly.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1855 (isolation #97) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:10 am

B A

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1856 (isolation #98) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:11 am

Did that work?

Alchemist21 · Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:28 am

In post 1864, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1855, Alchemist21 wrote: B A
You forgot the Start.

Well where is that smilie?

Alchemist21 · Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:28 pm

In post 1924, Auro wrote:Your argument only holds weight if Alch is town and iDan/Dan have scum, so it's a bit circular, no?

There probably is scum in the 2 Dans.

I have stronk reasons for Alch scum, I'll provide them at some point.[/quote]

Provide them sooner rather than later. If you wait until EoD to present a case that swings more voters on to me who then refuse to leave because of the Deadline then you should be presumed scum and quicklynched for it.

Alchemist21 · Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:34 pm

I have reason to want Danflor dead, and as for iDany I'm not opposed to lynching a slot that's had 2 players and 0 content.

Alchemist21 · Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:42 pm

In post 1941, Auro wrote:If you're afraid of scum!me wielding influence to swing votes onto you at EoD, maybe you should push stronger for Dannfloor's death right now so I don't get to do that as easily?

Or you could come back to iDany since that's a wagon that already exists. I still don't get why you left. You wanted to see his reaction and all he did was claim.

My problem with you waiting is less being afraid of your influence and more fearing the people who don't care. They'll come in at deadline, go "oh shit we gotta lynch someone," see some case from you on me and then wagon me and no matter what rebuttal I give they won't change their votes because there's not enough time left.

I think you're Town but the things you're doing are giving me mixed feelings about you.

Alchemist21 · Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:00 pm

In post 1945, Auro wrote:Alchemist, I'd like to see you engage with other actives (OkaPoka/Something_Smart) to try and reach consensus with their reads.

I'm voting iDany because Oka asked me to.

What you said about deadline voters can also hold if I case you right now, no? They could easily pop up at deadline, quote the case I post right now, and vote.

The difference is I'd have time to actually post a defense if you do it now which they could also read and say "Alch's a bad lynch" before they vote or have time to unvote. This should have been clearly understood already.

If you're not trying to wait until deadline to case me then why are you arguing about it instead of just posting the case? The more you stall and argue the more I feel like that's what you actually want to do.

Alchemist21 · Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:05 pm

In post 1948, OkaPoka wrote:hey

can i interest you lovelies in the death of a certain eddie cane

Maybe but I kinda buy the (pseudo)trust tell. Would rather lynch Danflor before EC because my reason on Danflor scum can be summed up as "scumDannflor Towncased Eddie."

Alchemist21 · Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:12 pm

In post 1953, Auro wrote:I don't want to see a rebuttal to my scumread, Alchemist.
I don't think that will help me, or make me reconsider.

Dude, it's NOT ABOUT YOU here. It's not about making you change your read or your vote. It's about these others and what they might do. There's no way you're reading my posts and failing to understand my issue here.

VOTE: Auro

Oka you're seeing this shit right? Tell me I'm not crazy.

Alchemist21 · Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:16 pm

In post 1954, OkaPoka wrote:dude

its a reference to team mafia where elements did that and then got modkilled

aka eddie wants to show us how he really doesn't care about this game

Well shit. I haven't been in Team Mafia the last 2 times it was run so I didn't know.

In post 1955, Auro wrote:Note that Dannfloor is being replaced, and it's probable we'll have an active slot.

Would town!Dannfloor not towncase Eddie the way he did?

I don't think any Townie would have towncased Eddie that way because Eddie wasn't doing shit. And the Towncase itself was based on Eddie not doing shit. Maybe if they had a lot of history together but nobody has shown me that's true so yeah.

Alchemist21 · Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:28 pm

In post 1958, OkaPoka wrote:guys this is unproductive i dont want to lynch efforters maybe tmr?

Tell me how Town Auro completely fails to understand what I was saying in my last several posts.

Alchemist21 · Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:15 am

In post 1989, Auro wrote:"Just lurk out and wait for town to eat themselves" sadly seems to be a working strategy as far as my games this year go.

It’s been a working strategy for longer than that imo.

I’ll switch back to Dany. Don’t do the thing I’m telling you not to do.

VOTE: iDany

Alchemist21 · Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:16 am

In post 1979, Auro wrote:Ah, OK, Luna insta sheeped me off Dany onto Alchemist.

Btw Luna should be questioned on this one too. I think we all just kinda forgot about her here.

Alchemist21 · Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:07 am

Why is Dany’s POE relevant to your vote?

Alchemist21 · Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:49 am

In post 2069, Eddie Cane wrote:1) 0 people have spoken up to defend and/or town read me, all game, except dannflor who's read was super over the top day 1 and looked like spew

You agree with me on this so vote Dannflor with me.

VOTE: Dannflor

Alchemist21 · Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:44 am

Why are you banking on me? I'm not going to vote Eddie.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:22 am

UNVOTE: NSG should be easy to read if she’s Town.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:25 am

In post 2173, northsidegal wrote:now i remember why i only play games on alts.

How many games have you played with me on your alts? Not asking you to out any, just a number. You said I'm always hard for you to read but I only recall playing with Town you once in that Coalition game.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:30 am

Ok that's fine.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:50 am

In post 2219, northsidegal wrote:my statement made the prior assumption that both players were actually gunsmiths of some form--town or scum--which i consider the most likely scenario (although i don't really believe comical's modifier for a second).

if rce is actually a goon then that situation is possible, but based on how the claims went down i guess i would consider that somewhat unlikely?

How likely do you consider it that Comical is scum Gunsmith and RCE is Town Gunsmith?

(Important note: Comical is Flavor Leaf/Boonskiies.)

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:03 am

In post 2222, northsidegal wrote:boon's mind works in mysterious ways (especially when it comes to roles), but if he's scum here with a real gunsmith result on RCE, why out it?

I don't really think Boon's scum here either but it's a possibility. "Why out it?" Claiming a guilty on a slot establishes credibility as a Town investigative while forcing that other PR to publicly out so that it makes sense when they get NK'd. It's not a plan that guarantees his survival as scum but it does provide some extra longevity (about until it's certain whether or not that there's no Town protective to explain why scum aren't targeting him at Night).

I've done something similar where I had a scum Traffic Analyst guilty on a Mason. It worked up to an extent.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:33 pm

In post 2247, Comical wrote:I feel like I’ve mainly only seen NSG as scum.

Doesn't NSG only ever lurk as scum?

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:36 pm

In post 2259, Comical wrote:I powerlynched them when they were my traitor partner.

That reminds me of when we tried to NK our Traitor N1.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:27 pm

In post 2319, Comical wrote:@Alchemist - I need your help with Auro. I feel like you’re back and forth with him over this game is increasingly telling. There’s a reason you keep going back and forth, and I believe it’s because Auro is running circles around you.

This is a tempting offer. I'd lynch Auro before I'd lynch Oka.

I could also see an Auro/Oka team being a thing because Oka was no help when Auro was driving me crazy.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:30 pm

VOTE: Auro

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:49 pm

Luna, vote Auro.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:52 pm

Auro/Oka/Luna scumteam?

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:54 pm

In post 2394, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 2392, Alchemist21 wrote:Auro/Oka/Luna scumteam?
you think me n auro decided to sit down and inject life into this game when it was clearly dying?

Yes. Dead games are boring for scum too, and active scum voices can control a game.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:00 pm

In post 2403, Comical wrote:Interesting enough you chose to put SS in there.

I'm more interested in my exclusion from that list that was basically taken from 1937.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:04 pm

In post 2434, OkaPoka wrote:although

don't you just bus your partners flavor

do you actually protect your partners

That's the most backwards understanding of Flavor's meta. Historically he's avoided bussing.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:21 pm

In post 2475, Comical wrote:she’s probably playing better than she would be as scum

That's where I'm at with her. I'm not lynching NSG.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:43 pm

In post 2534, PenguinPower wrote:Alchemist...what's your least favorite fruit?

Coconut is an abomination.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:53 pm

In post 2555, Auro wrote:Additionally, if anyone picked up on it, I was subtly softing I had some form of guilty on Alchemist in my latest interactions with him. (Do I? Or did I fake? Find out later ) I feel like Alch's posts then were consistent with him actually believing this (including not leaking associatives).

I didn't get the sense you had a guilty on me at any point.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:54 pm

In post 2563, Comical wrote:
In post 2557, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2550, OkaPoka wrote:stop setup speccing and focus on reads

there are extra bonuses and potentially negatives to my role that makes this more interesting
sure – i think there's too little information to really have anything super reliable anyways.

what do you think of 2517?

also, could you go a bit into why you scumread idany specifically? i also have him as a PoE scumread, but i'm not sure i have very many specific reasons to think that he's scum.

This is so fake.

Auro, am I trippin.

I need you to be my new RCE

Don't trust Auro.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:18 pm

In post 2630, Auro wrote:
In post 2616, Something_Smart wrote:So is it a guilty or not?
Why should I answer this now, when what I said about Alch leaking associatives still holds true if I do have a guilty?

You don't have a guilty.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:22 pm

In post 2661, Auro wrote:I feel like Alch has refused to play the game beyond just trying to get me lynched, recently.

This is outright false. I've talked about more people than just you. I've been on wagons that weren't you.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:30 pm

In post 2690, Auro wrote:
In post 2671, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 2661, Auro wrote:I feel like Alch has refused to play the game beyond just trying to get me lynched, recently.
This is outright false. I've talked about more people than just you. I've been on wagons that weren't you.
In the non spewy manner, I believe.

This is why Auro needs to be lynched. He's just pushing a false narrative.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:32 pm

In post 2699, Auro wrote:
In post 2694, Comical wrote:His turn on NSG slot makes zero sense as scum
Can you quote the posts he talks about NSG about?

Find them yourself.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:33 pm

In post 2705, Auro wrote:I don't see any U-Turn on NSG from Alch.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:35 pm

In post 2706, Eddie Cane wrote:A few years ago I had an alt on this site where I only spoke in rhymes.

That sounds familiar. What was the name?

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:37 pm

In post 2715, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 2713, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 2706, Eddie Cane wrote:A few years ago I had an alt on this site where I only spoke in rhymes.
That sounds familiar. What was the name?
MuttonChopMagic? If not that, something similar.

I don't remember that name. Guess I was wrong about remembering your alt.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:45 pm

In post 2736, Comical wrote:Can we just lynch NSG?

If we hit scumNSG, I’ll be fine getting vigged.

If we don’t, then I will not be getting vigged.

Why wouldn't you be vigged if NSG flips Town?

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:46 pm

In post 2742, Luna Fox wrote:Sometimes I wonder if im supposed to be reading some imaginary thread where people explain why we should lynch X or Y

There's a guy trying to fake a guilty on me. That's a good reason to lynch Auro.

And if you help me lynch Auro I'll stop thinking you're scum with him so there's something in it for you too.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:50 pm

In post 2751, Something_Smart wrote:What makes you think he isn't gambiting Alch?

I know the guilty isn't real. If he's Town doing this that's even worse, but there's been so much other stuff from him that I'm pretty sure he's just scum.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:51 pm

In post 2753, Comical wrote:Vote NSG with me please.

From what I know of NSG, this is Town NSG and I'm not lynching her.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:56 pm

In post 2763, Luna Fox wrote:Yeah, but would said fruit vendor target the person his team is killing, instead of... u know, confirming his role?
That's the thing im struggling with.

A fruit vendor could confirm their role any Night they want provided they aren't limited in some way.

Penguin can still be Town in a scum Auro world.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:22 pm

In post 2780, Auro wrote:
In post 2759, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 2751, Something_Smart wrote:What makes you think he isn't gambiting Alch?
I know the guilty isn't real. If he's Town doing this that's even worse, but there's been so much other stuff from him that I'm pretty sure he's just scum.
Why is me behaving as though I have a guilty such bad town play? Please explain

It's the same as faking the guilty. There is not distinction between the 2; you want everyone to think you have a guilty when you don't.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:33 pm

In post 2792, Auro wrote:
In post 2786, Alchemist21 wrote:It's the same as faking the guilty. There is not distinction between the 2; you want everyone to think you have a guilty when you don't.
I've explicitly admitted that I may or may not. I did want you to believe I have one, though.

Even then, I fail to see why it's bad townplay to soft a guilty and look at how the game progresses. Do explain why that's anti-town.

1.) It can cause PRs to out early.

2.) It can lead to a double mislynch (first the person claimed to be guilty, followed by the person claiming it).

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:43 pm

In post 2795, Auro wrote:So I was driving you crazy just because I scumread you and would case you later?

You drove me crazy because you completely refused to understand my issue with you waiting to post your case. It's like you didn't even read what I was posting.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:57 pm

In post 2803, Auro wrote:
In post 2800, Alchemist21 wrote:You drove me crazy because you completely refused to understand my issue with you waiting to post your case. It's like you didn't even read what I was posting.
I recall acknowledging your issue - that town would swing towards you if I cased you last minute, and I also recall explaining that that shouldn't be a problem. I also recall saying that I could change my read on you as the game progresses and you engaged with other slots, meaning I don't do a last minute case.

How is this a refusal of understanding?

The half of the issue you're still not acknowledging is that waiting until the last minute could result in people not unvoting me because of deadline pressure and that's why you waiting is a problem, and you responded with the idea that

you

might change your mind on me and that's what I was trying to achieve when it was not because it was never your vote that worried me, it was everyone else not caring enough to change their votes near Deadline.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:01 pm

In post 2810, Auro wrote:The tonal change is something I'd absolutely expect from town having, or trying to have fun. I feel like there was a tonal change from you upon being wagoned, too.

I also believe that it's an incorrect assessment that he stopped playing seriously after the wagon stopped.

This we can agree on. Almost everyone gets different when they're being wagoned.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:03 pm

In post 2811, OkaPoka wrote:eddie is just playing the game of "im not survivalistic lol" and then once he gets wagon'd suddenly he goes to town on how much he is town and look at me im so town? im not buying that

Unless you have some Eddie meta on this I don't see this as a scumtell. Some people just do that.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:07 pm

In post 2813, Auro wrote:Alchemist, I acknowledge that waiting till the last minute to case, if everyone's voting for you because of the case, is bad. When I say waiting, why assume that I'm waiting for deadline and not any other point of the day?

Because there were 4 days remaining in the deadline at the time and the longer you waited the more likely it would happen. I know you didn't explicitly say you were going to wait that long but it's the possibility I saw and I wanted to nip it in the bud. If you have a case then why wait to post it at all? (And don't tell me that your "guilty" is your case.)

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:11 pm

In post 2823, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 2822, Auro wrote:
In post 2819, OkaPoka wrote:so why does eddie ask to be lynched btw ?
Have you never heard rhetoric that goes, "lynch me so I can get out of the game pls"?

What's the scum motivation in saying that?
look at me im so town

Are scum ever so blatantly LAMIST though?

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:11 pm

In post 2825, OkaPoka wrote:auro why are you defending eddie so hard

It's not just Auro. And I want Auro lynched.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:25 pm

In post 2830, Auro wrote:>See how the attacked slot reacts (do they think I'm softing a guilty? for one, and if so, even better)

What do you expect to happen? Nobody thought you were softing a guilty so what else?

>See how others react to the sudden hard change in momentum (do they try to divert the lynch to someone else? Do they chainsaw or hard defend? Who sheeps me onto him?)

Why do you expect other slots to react when you haven't presented the case yet? If I'm scum my buddies aren't going come running to save me or bus me and if I'm Town then nobody's going to care.

>Talking about the case could be something I find less productive before I see what happens, as the case itself becomes a major talking point presumably for a few pages

If you have a case and say you have one then presumably you've done enough observing and are ready to make your case a talking point.

How did any of your reads develop from this?

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:26 pm

In post 2837, Luna Fox wrote:VOTE: Auro

Thank you!

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:42 pm

In post 2850, Auro wrote:@Alch: Wasn't it your belief that I would get you mislynched by doing that? It would also hold if you were scum, this giving decent incentive for your teammates to defend and divert, no?

I expected you to pick up on it and then panic, and probably shift to a tunnel on me if scum. I expected you to shrug it off and continue playing when I said please engage with other slots, if you were town.

I developed an association between you and Oka. If one of you flips scum, I would be suspect of the other. My scumread on you strengthened as your reaction was consistent with my expectations from how scum!Alchemist would react.

As scum I wouldn't expect Town to try and pull a fast one at deadline. And I've pretty much always had a general dislike of people saying they have reads/cases and then not posting them (the very first time I got lynched on this site was from a 1v1 with someone who did that early D1). Why do you think as Town I should just shrug it off if I'm worried about the scenario that I was worried about happening?

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:43 pm

In post 2850, Auro wrote:I developed an association between you and Oka. If one of you flips scum, I would be suspect of the other. My scumread on you strengthened as your reaction was consistent with my expectations from how scum!Alchemist would react.

P.S. Explain this one because I don't see it.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:45 pm

In post 2851, OkaPoka wrote:people, especially in mafia, won't change their minds if they are truly confident in something unless they can convince themselves that they didn't have the full picture when they first made their judgment

This is a good part of why I get tunneled on people.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:49 pm

In post 2866, Auro wrote:expecting people to *immediately* case you and call them scum otherwise is meh.

This is a huge misrep of what I said and the conversation that followed. I told you to post your case soon and not wait until deadline and you started arguing with me about it. Your arguing and misrepping me is where my scumread on you came from.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:53 pm

In post 2866, Auro wrote:Alch, you'd expect town with a guilty to do that note that I believed you bought my soft guilty if you're scum.

A general dislike is fine, but expecting people to *immediately* case you and call them scum otherwise is meh.

I'd expect Town with a guilty to either declare a guilty without declaring the slot it's on, or immediately start pushing the player before claiming the guilty.

You started this Day talking about the Night Kill. Even if I were scum I would never think you had a guilty.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:56 pm

In post 2870, Auro wrote:I never said I'd wait for deadline, though.

And I never claimed you did! I told you not to do it and then you wanted to argue about it. And in that entire time of arguing about it you could have just posted the case instead.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:59 pm

In post 2882, Auro wrote:@Alch: Recall that I was pushing you early in the day as well. Declaring they have guilty is one form of advancing the game, yes. Behaving as though they have a guilty on a specific slot is also a form of advancing the game.

I don't see why talking about the NK is inconsistent with the behaviour of a slot that plans to reveal the guilty at a later point of the day, lol.

I was pushing you before you were pushing me. You don't have a guilty, you didn't play like someone who had a guilty, so stop acting like you maybe have a guilty and stop acting like anyone thought you did.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:01 pm

In post 2887, Auro wrote:
In post 2880, OkaPoka wrote:blind sheeping is boring, but considering other reads and weighing them with how good you think they are is more interesting
Weighing them at 5000% though...

Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 2870, Auro wrote:I never said I'd wait for deadline, though.
And I never claimed you did! I told you not to do it and then you wanted to argue about it. And in that entire time of arguing about it you could have just posted the case instead.
I just said I won't provide my case then, and asked you to continue playing. It's on you, buddy.

No it was on you. 100%. Anyone who wants to see can click our ISO's and see I'm not wrong here.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:04 pm

In post 2898, Eddie Cane wrote:I think if I knew Comical and Auro's alignment I could solve this game.

Lynch Auro. Scum likely NK's Comical.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:06 pm

In post 2901, Auro wrote:more preparation to acknowledge that you can be wrong

To be fair if you were a slot known for having more accurate reads than most would you want to get BoP'd every game, every lynch?

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:11 pm

In post 2910, Eddie Cane wrote:Though even though I independently town lean both auro and alch, I will stipulate it doesnt feel like a TvT argument.

This helps me know I'm not completely crazy.

Alchemist21 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:18 pm

In post 2923, Comical wrote:AURO

Alchemist21 · Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:33 am

In post 3090, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 3088, Comical wrote:
In post 3086, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 3082, Comical wrote:Maybe it’s just Idany, Alchemist, and RCEnigma.
balance wise

PP, Luna, Me, Flavor as town prs makes some amount of sense with a weak scumteam

room for auxiliary roles (or a modifier on PP) but i can see this balance logic actually
Well, RCE claimed even night gunsmith.

That was probably bs, wasn’t it.
that is how i have felt for like the entire time i even think alchemist feels this way so if it is rce, i don't think alchemist is it

I don't know why you would think I feel that way. I've been going with the assumption that RCE claimed truthfully and that NK's would resolve any conflict between Comical's and RCE's claims.

Scum Gunsmith is still possible but if he's not killed then he'll have to claim a result on someone and if he's Town he should be allowed to get a check in if possible.

Alchemist21 · Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:44 am

Actually we can prove if RCE's Gunsmith or not.

Just force him and Luna to target the same person Tonight. Luna can confirm if that person was visited by a Gunsmith.

Alchemist21 · Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:05 pm

In post 3154, Comical wrote:
In post 3146, Alchemist21 wrote:Actually we can prove if RCE's Gunsmith or not.

Just force him and Luna to target the same person Tonight. Luna can confirm if that person was visited by a Gunsmith.
Luna being scum would allow them to coast the entire game, though.

Scum will have to kill RCE at some point. They can’t really allow a Gunsmith to stay alive. If he’s not dead after a a couple more Nights then we can assume he’s scum.

The way Luna claimed is Towny. If she’s scum she either has to verify RCE as Gunsmith if RCE’s Town or tie herself to him if he’s scum. If RCE is Town then I think Luna can only be scum if Eddie is scum (this is based on me thinking that scumVoyeur is best used on one of your partners to know if they get targeted by Town).

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:12 pm

Luna help me rule something out here for sure.

Whatever action was used on Eddie, was it something scum could have targeted a partner with?

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:32 pm

I'm coming around to the idea of one of the Gunsmiths being scum. The setup is reminding me of the setup of Musicals, which was also designed by Schadd.

If Oka is a Jailkeeper, then the team may actually be Oka/Eddie/(RCE or Comical).

That game was stacked with vigs though and we don't know if any exist in this setup. And the above only really holds true if Oka is Jailkeeper.

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:42 pm

Because that solve only works if you're Jailkeeper and I was waiting for you and Luna to confirm if you are or not.

And if you are I think we start with you since you're the one who could interfere with Town roles.

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:45 pm

In post 3184, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 3179, Alchemist21 wrote:If Oka is a Jailkeeper, then the team may actually be Oka/Eddie/(RCE or Comical).
I mean yes, objectively true statement. Why do you think that team is any likelier than random?

Setup spec makes me think scum could have both Jailkeeper and Gunsmith, and if so it would make sense for scum to think a Vig exists, and Eddie would have been a likely vig target so it would make some sense to Jailkeep him for protection.

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:51 pm

In post 3188, OkaPoka wrote:okay so that means my scum partner has to be rcenigma because if i jailed eddie, eddie can't action and im busy jailing my other scum partner and boon gunsmithed rcengima

therefore you have to vote rcenigma or your literally scumclaiming

True, unless one of you are Multitasking, which was also in Musicals.

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:53 pm

In post 3191, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 3187, Alchemist21 wrote:Setup spec makes me think scum could have both Jailkeeper and Gunsmith, and if so it would make sense for scum to think a Vig exists, and Eddie would have been a likely vig target so it would make some sense to Jailkeep him for protection.
If he was I also would've seen the killing action, but i didnt see any.

I'm not saying Eddie for sure was targeted by a vig, just that it was a possibility that would have to be considered.

Nobody's saying Oka's not Jailkeeper so I'll assume that's the case here.

VOTE: OkaPoka

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:55 pm

In post 3195, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 3192, OkaPoka wrote:alchemist you are literally scumclaiming if you don't vote rcenigma in your next post
Can you explain? This logic's going over my head right now.

He's basically OMGUS'ing. And if he's scum but I'm wrong about RCE being his partner then he's trying to force me into helping lynch a Town PR.

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:00 pm

In post 3206, OkaPoka wrote:so to track alchemists case on me:

he is speculating that im jailkeeper who jailed his scum partner eddie cane to protect him from a vig shot and that is why he is scumreading me - mmkay

All it takes to throw that speculation out the window is you + Luna saying confirming you're not a Jailkeeper. I'll take it all back if that's the case but nobody's telling me otherwise here.

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:05 pm

In post 3214, OkaPoka wrote:sure lets say im jailkeeper but if im jailkeeper how do you go to the part where im scum jailkeeper and im partners with eddie

Setup spec, and you talked about protecting Eddie because he could carry but what indication was there that he would?

If you're Town then vote Eddie with me. I'm still not willing to lynch in a Gunsmith claim today.

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:07 pm

In post 3219, Luna Fox wrote:Yeah Alchemist, why would an hypothetical JK keep Eddie alive from a vig and then hard bus him the next day.

Times and feelings change. Maybe Eddie decided he's fine with getting bussed at some point on D2, or he was always fine with it and scum figured it was better to lynch and get Towncred for it.

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:14 pm

Oka if you're Town what makes you so sure on RCE?

And why, earlier, did you say you thought I didn't buy RCE's claim when I never said anything like that?

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:16 pm

In post 3234, Luna Fox wrote:I'm gonna side with giving RCE a chance of using his gunsmith if true.

This doesn't require a vote on me.

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:17 pm

In post 3233, OkaPoka wrote:everyone else thinks alchemist's logic and progression is absolutely ridiculous right? not insane here?

Maybe this is just karma because I pleaded to you for a sanity check when I was arguing with Auro and it never came.

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:22 pm

In post 3238, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3222, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 3214, OkaPoka wrote:sure lets say im jailkeeper but if im jailkeeper how do you go to the part where im scum jailkeeper and im partners with eddie
Setup spec, and you talked about protecting Eddie because he could carry but what indication was there that he would?

If you're Town then vote Eddie with me. I'm still not willing to lynch in a Gunsmith claim today.
1) His point of view about Eddie and Oka being partners does not track with his earlier posts in the day.

In post 2816, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 2811, OkaPoka wrote:eddie is just playing the game of "im not survivalistic lol" and then once he gets wagon'd suddenly he goes to town on how much he is town and look at me im so town? im not buying that
Unless you have some Eddie meta on this I don't see this as a scumtell. Some people just do that.

In post 2114, Alchemist21 wrote:Why are you banking on me? I'm not going to vote Eddie.
2) It shows he is not seriously considering the game. If he was, he does not need a line "If you're Town then vote Eddie with me." Oka is clearly willing to push me, and he actually denied Oka's campaign for his vote on me, when I was at l-1 and for the rest of the duration of my wagon. This is not a post coming from town, its scum posturing.

Consider a holistic perspective, okay? Alchemist town reads me most of the day, despite me voting him at the time. Oka asks him to vote me several times. He hard says no, and openly town reads me. He asks for my vote elsewhere, directly, on both Auro and Dannflor. He
also
does not ever vote an Oka wagon. Then, he comes in with "Oka and Eddie are a scum team". The
only redeeming factor
of this push is that it might be too fucking terrible to be scum. Its absolutely asinine, and he has given no justification for it. There is also no progression in the thread.

Reads change. And it was mainly to see if Oka would actually vote you or not, and for all the talk about bussing you earlier he refused to and insisted that I vote RCE instead. So if Oka's scum it's probably not with RCE and he wanted a Town PR lynched.

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:32 pm

In post 3260, OkaPoka wrote:alch you want to tell us why you scumclaimed

It's not a scumclaim. I challenge you to explain why scum me would correctly guess that you're Jailkeeper and then push you for it instead of quietly passing on the info to my scumteam?

And unless I'm scum with RCE, why would I as scum shake up the status quo when he was on track to being lynched?

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:39 pm

In post 3235, Alchemist21 wrote:Oka if you're Town what makes you so sure on RCE?

And why, earlier, did you say you thought I didn't buy RCE's claim when I never said anything like that?

I'm still waiting for an answer on these.

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:46 pm

In post 3272, Auro wrote:Luna, Oka, Comical --> Locktown :3 :3

And Penguin?

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:54 pm

In post 3275, OkaPoka wrote:alchemist are you not one bit worried that you just made yourself the designated lynch today

50% of it is just pushback from the people I'm calling scum so I'm not really surprised. I'd prefer not to be the lynch but it happens. More people should be able to realize I wouldn't make these posts as scum but whatever.

Alchemist21 · Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:55 pm

In post 3278, OkaPoka wrote:i do think however that alchemist is purposely trying to get lynched here

If you knew me better you'd know that's never my goal.

Alchemist21 · Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:02 am

In post 3301, Auro wrote:
In post 1594, Auro wrote:VOTE: dan
And if all three are scum, considering Alch's name is Daniel... it would be really funny lol

That would have been legendary.

Alchemist21 · Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:50 am

Hi Nero.

Alchemist21 · Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:20 am

In post 3323, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3321, PenguinPower wrote:Get that...but it's a high priority nk target if town.
fair.

Who are the vt claims?

I think iDany is the only one.

Alchemist21 · Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:27 am

VOTE: Eddie

Alchemist21 · Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:43 am

In post 3567, Auro wrote:
In post 3556, Alchemist21 wrote:VOTE: Eddie
Lol
What were your reasons for avoiding NSG vote again

From what I know of NSG she has no thread presence as scum.

I don’t really get why anyone (except Comical) wants to lynch her unless it’s all just carryover from when Dannflor had the slot.

Alchemist21 · Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:46 am

In post 3585, Auro wrote:
In post 3584, Alchemist21 wrote:From what I know of NSG she has no thread presence as scum.
Exactly why you should vote her now lol

The heck? I’ve seen scum NSG just lurk out of games. She is trying to solve this game.

Alchemist21 · Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:37 am

UNVOTE:

Back to thinking Eddie and Oka are both Town.

Btw @Nero, Eddie is correct that Town should project Towniness.

Alchemist21 · Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:05 am

In post 3658, Auro wrote:It's decently possible {Nero, Alch, NSG} are exactly the scumteam and feel free to point out evidence against it. All three have individual scum equity. No one participated in a serious wagon on the other two

I was pushing for Dannflor’s lynch until NSG replaced him.

Alchemist21 · Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:09 am

In post 3643, OkaPoka wrote:ss and alchemist ur up

this site is dying on my end

I’m VT btw. Thought that would be obvious at this point.

Alchemist21 · Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:46 pm

VOTE: iDany

NSG’s meta is so well-known that it’s crazy to me that she’s even being considered today. If she flips scum you guys can do whatever you want to me.

Alchemist21 · Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:51 pm

In post 3936, Something_Smart wrote:Or we could flashwagon Alch...

Stacking the actions on either me or Auro tonight would be preferable.

Alchemist21 · Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:02 pm

In post 3965, OkaPoka wrote:and nsg i have no reasons to scumread you

but i also have no reason to townread you other than meta

meta that is ridiculously easy to break and anybody who rolls scum would salivate to have a meta like that

If it was that easy to break it would have been broken before this game. This point has been brought up before.