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[Battle Mage]

it says im at 4 votes but theres only 3 names?

Fixed.

i have a solution

VOTE: plusjoyed

[Battle Mage]

my initial scumreads from a glance, are:

Norweg
Hectic
Shelly

[Battle Mage]

any cases i should check out? welcome a friendly steer

[Battle Mage]

The combat wizard has arrived. Everyone brace for impact.

If I don't see some emojis from you this game, I'm gonna be furious, BM.

ah i'm not combative tonight mate. How are you? I've missed ya!

I'll try and deliver on the emojis and keep my rage under control. calm atm.

[Battle Mage]

oh i'm locktowning noraa i suppose too

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: norweg

counterwagon gogogo

[Battle Mage]

Is it bad that I still want to lim that slot?

Is it bad that I still want to lim that slot?

No.

yeah it's bad. it's lazy and scummy. also poor Saudade.

[Battle Mage]

I'm doing well! Good to see you again

How much have you read so far?

Glad to hear it

i'm reading as i go - not much really!

So far duppin is so obviously scum I am convinced we must flip him today. so much so, in fact:

VOTE: duppin

tell me what you know so far!

readslist coming....

[Battle Mage]

scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic

neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
4. PlusJOYED
6. davesaz
7. Tayl0r Swift
11. Redados
12. UNOwen

town-land
Noraa
Battle Mage

[Battle Mage]

Hectic, you wanna join me on a duppin flip? if he's your buddy, he's worth a Day 1 bus

[Battle Mage]

did i claim yet? if not, i'm a VT

[Battle Mage]

Tayl0r claimed Rolestopper, and Norwee claimed he was informed that there's a mafia doc in the setup 2min later. That's what we've got in terms of claims so far.

Why's duppin mayor of scum city?

ah thanks mate

duppin has a pretty basic tell, but i dont wanna share it if that's ok? you might be able to figure it out as you've played with me before.

do you believe norweg's claim? my initial thought was "sounds like bs". i need to read it properly though

[Battle Mage]

Virtualization Technology? Bit weird if I'm gonna be honest.

Gonna assume that's a BM thing and means nothing.

ah sorry I meant Vanilla Townie, just to ensure there's no ambiguity.

[Battle Mage]

i feel pretty hot about partner equity between mundivore - duppin too if duppin flips red.

[Battle Mage]

Right... it better not be another choice of wording tell. Is this based on meta with duppin, or an independent read?

LOL, it's not quite that no, but it is about keywords, and wholly independent read. don't spill the beans anyway, i love that i can still catch scum with the simple things.

[Battle Mage]

do you believe norweg's claim? my initial thought was "sounds like bs". i need to read it properly though

Yeah, I believe it. I don't think Norwee comes up with that in less than 2 min. It also makes Tayl0r look better, and not worse, which isn't exactly ideal for scum!Norwee who Tayl0r was scumreading iirc

hmm....remind me what town role has knowledge of a mafia doctor, and what the point of that would be? seems a bit...random? dunno, jury's out for me until i read it i think

[Battle Mage]

you may as well sheep me anyway. get that vote to work and get some info at least.

[Battle Mage]

I see lol
Well, hate to break it to you, but no one's sheeping you unless you provide some sort of reasons or case.

Pedit: Informed Townie. Why, I wouldn't know without seeing the whole setup and more claims which we can't rn obviously

i find that hard to believe. you've made it nearly 100 pages, and all that has happened is 1.5 claims? and they were in the last 10 pages.

I think ppl had probably better sheep me

does my claim help somewhat?

[Battle Mage]

also, the leading wagon is like 2/3 probable scum, so somebody needs to actually make some move.

[Battle Mage]

Ya, I'm struggling with this sequence:

Norweg: "Screw you taylor, you scum scum scum"
Taylor: "dude ffs, i'm the town rolestopper"
Norweg: "Ah ha! I have relevant knowledge which proves there is a mafia doctor, which is similar to your claim"
Norweg, a few posts later: "well, I guess my knowledge didn't really matter, I'm just gonna town-read you now".

Norweg spewing out an "informed townie" claim for basically no reason doesn't add up to me. It didn't seem like sharing that knowledge at that point served any benefit, and Norweg-town would probably keep his cards closer to his chest...maybe?

Like, what was the point of him claiming anything?

In contrast, I thought the way Taylor claimed was very believable as town. and presumably she'll be killed at some point anyway as a claimed town PR.

[Battle Mage]

scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic

neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
6. davesaz
11. Redados
12. UNOwen

town-land
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Noraa
Battle Mage

[Battle Mage]

Your claim doesn't help in the slightest and you know that lol. If it's actually a serious one, I need you to really explain the thought process behind that one.

i know i'm just messing haha

it's a deadly serious claim though, and i'll explain post-game.

[Battle Mage]

Hectic man, did you read the duppin ISO? it's one of the scummiest ISO's I've ever seen, and I refuse to believe you can read it in good faith and not think he's scum.

[Battle Mage]

Ya, I'm struggling with this sequence:

Norweg: "Screw you taylor, you scum scum scum"
Taylor: "dude ffs, i'm the town rolestopper"
Norweg: "Ah ha! I have relevant knowledge which proves there is a mafia doctor, which is similar to your claim"
Norweg, a few posts later: "well, I guess my knowledge didn't really matter, I'm just gonna town-read you now".

Norweg spewing out an "informed townie" claim for basically no reason doesn't add up to me. It didn't seem like sharing that knowledge at that point served any benefit, and Norweg-town would probably keep his cards closer to his chest...maybe?

Like, what was the point of him claiming anything?

In contrast, I thought the way Taylor claimed was very believable as town. and presumably she'll be killed at some point anyway as a claimed town PR.

The point of claiming is because it's directly relevant in working out whether Tayl0r's claim is legitimate. Scum are unlikely to have both a doc and a rolestopper, so it comes down to ascertaining whether Tayl0r is a mafia doc who's decided to claim rolestopper instead (arguably more sus as scum so bad idea), or is a town rolestopper.

Pedit: I won't forget to ask

erm, but it didn't achieve that did it? I mean, info is nice i guess, but that information didn't help make a definitive decision about Taylor. The default would have been trusting her claim, so unless Norweg was claiming to undermine her, I can't see the point. Although it read to me like he was initially trying to frame his "info" as a counter-claim of sorts, but it ended up being a bit bungled.

In any case, the interaction between duppin and Norweg is seriously rough, so a duppin red-flip means Norweg is maybe top target tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: duppin

[Battle Mage]

It doesn't matter what town!Norwee thought it meant for Tayl0r in the instance that he claimed - he'd only had a minute or two to think about it after all - he came around to thinking she was town for it a few posts later is the important thing.

Default would definitely not be trusting Tayl0r's claim. If you run someone up and they claim PR, it just increases the chance they're scum, not decreases.

i think the way she claimed seemed pretty town, it isnt just about what the claim is. it's the manner and circumstances. plus flipping the first claimed PR, no bueno.

i don't agree with your defence of Norweg. "he only had a minute or two" assumes he was somehow compelled to post immediately after the claim. He wasn't - if he was a legit informed role, wouldn't he have waited and taken stock before claiming unnecessarily? Using the fact it happened quickly as an excuse doesn't do it for me at all.

[Battle Mage]

Hectic man, did you read the duppin ISO? it's one of the scummiest ISO's I've ever seen, and I refuse to believe you can read it in good faith and not think he's scum.

I mean, he was pinging me a lot early on too, but I eventually figured his defensive choice of wording is an extension of his personality, and not alignment.

This is a good post:

On ISO reread I still think duppin is town. I understand why the occasional text blocks that appear look like he is too concerned with explaining himself but I think that might just be his style, some of the arguments he makes are so meandering I don't know why he would bother with them as scum. The bugspray town read was not so lazily held as I thought it might be, he went back to bugs at least a couple of times which shows interest in actually solving. The Saudade vote continues to be a stain but I guess I can see why he would want to hold onto it when it was his major hook in the game and disappeared in a puff of smoke. Despite this focus, there is still an interest in the rest of the game throughout his posts and I can't detect any scum agenda.

well im not gonna do big effort to change your mind i guess. i'm very confident he's scum, so happy to flip him if we can get a majority. we can get an easy one to begin with.

[Battle Mage]

ah i hope saudade is ok. his ISO was a rollercoaster of emotions.

[Battle Mage]

ah i hope saudade is ok. his ISO was a rollercoaster of emotions.

Hm, I don't like this. Feels like you're suggesting we should absolve his scuminess because of OOG reasons.

erm, no. When I replace into slots that have a case against them, I will always engage with that case as best I can. I havent seen anyone actually make a case again him yet, and I didn't find his ISO scummy. It was mostly funny, and then a bit worrying towards the end, but not AI.

[Battle Mage]

ive just skimmed...bloody hell this game is gonna be hard work

[Battle Mage]

it says im at 4 votes but theres only 3 names?

Fixed.

i have a solution

VOTE: plusjoyed

I dont like that you hop on the largest wagon with zero reason.

I was there for about 10 minutes when I just joined and hadn't read anything? It was essentially my little mini RVS.

my initial scumreads from a glance, are:

Norweg
Hectic
Shelly

this is the shittiest SR list I've seen so far with two of the literal towniest damn players in it.

I mean, what do you want me to say here? I call it as I see it. My take is likely to be different to yours as I'm coming from an independent outside perspective, and haven't experienced the game in real time, and also havent read every single post. I'm not gonna get into arguments with you about every little thing - if you wanna do your bit that's fine.

scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic

neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
4. PlusJOYED
6. davesaz
7. Tayl0r Swift
11. Redados
12. UNOwen

town-land
Noraa
Battle Mage

I dont want a free town pass. wtf.

Well you got one. Is there anything you won't whinge and complain about?

did i claim yet? if not, i'm a VT

I hate this. VOTE: BM

excellent. remind me after the game to give you a lesson on how "townblocking" works. It's basically when presumed town players work together and actually try and win.

scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic

neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
6. davesaz
11. Redados
12. UNOwen

town-land
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Noraa
Battle Mage

1) u just voted plus
2) Taylor claimed a pr so ur just trying to be safe

I was fine with Saudade. Bm is not doing Saudade's slot any justice if Saudade was town but now I'm convinced BM is scum.

1. dude i hadnt read anything then
2. yeah, i dont wanna flip a claimed town pr on Day 1, whose claim i believe, funny enough.

In the nicest possible way, your assessment above is just awful tunnel-vision, with little intelligent thought attached to it. If you'd stopped and thought for a second, you could have figured out the answers to most of your questions yourself.

I can only imagine this is all for personal reasons, rather than game reasons, which is pretty sad.

[Battle Mage]

Uno compromise wagon on Saudade slot?
Hectic?
Norwee?
Redados?
Taylor?
Shelly?
@everyone?

we need to get a full on wagon together asap.
BM is looking like the best choice rn imo

are you just gonna spam me to death?

[Battle Mage]

I’m getting hardcore TvS vibes from joyed v Norway though
just the overall conflict isn’t really scum theatre and I think I don’t see the energy/reaction/emotion (idk how to put this) of a TvT fight really

Probably just repeating at this point, but why couldn't it be TvT? You say energy/reaction/emotion but not every player is going to spend 10 pages arguing when it's clear that it will just spam and maybe not even change anyone's opinion much.

ok lets get a wagon going then VOTE: bugspray

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what the fuck

pedit: saude is fine but meh it doesn’t give us info at all but I want the replacements claim and reads first
who is BM

hey yo i already claimed and gave my reads.

[Battle Mage]

He comes in votes the biggest wagon
buddies Taylor and tries to pocket me(we were both in his town reads with zero reason why)
then he jumps to the duppin wagon for zero reason. This also happens to be another major wagon rn.
He then starts TRing plus for ??? reasons
Then his SR is literally Hectic, Norwee, and Shelly
like wtf
two of the downiest players here and shelly, whose playstyle gets her killed day 1 just about everywhere

lol man you have no objectivity at all. I don't scumread you for it. I just

Do you actually believe I'm scum here? Or is this just a personal thing?

[Battle Mage]

Bm is the Saudade replacement, shelly

SAUDADE WAGON WHERE YOU AT?

there's like 2 days until deadline? wagonning me is completely pointless

[Battle Mage]

my initial scumreads from a glance, are:

Norweg
Hectic
Shelly

lmao

why do you SR hectic though

town-land
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Noraa
Battle Mage

why is joyed town

also BM you have meta info on me and you know town!me is almost always limmed d1 or d2 and I hate that
do you think scum!me does so much solving and high efforts this so much
what is the need to push Jackson and Grendel

Strictly speaking, I'm not sure we have any completed games together, and so I can't comment on any meta I could have on you. Suffice to say, I always use my full experience of a player to understand their alignment. The AtE here is no bueno.

And yeah, I think scum you is likely to put in lots of 'effort' because you probably love being scum in this game where town appears to be rudderless and impotent

[Battle Mage]

Bm is the Saudade replacement, shelly

SAUDADE WAGON WHERE YOU AT?

there's like 2 days until deadline? wagonning me is completely pointless

hmmm i kinda felt good about BM until this post

really? you'll see i guess

[Battle Mage]

when I conftown can I actually get some order here, and some traction behind a duppin elim?

[Battle Mage]

BM/saude doesn’t ping that much but I get his reads are pretty against the consensus which is townie - trying to inject his reads into the game early

@BM elaborate on hectic/jester a bit will you?

i cant even remember, im pretty sure i thought the original slot was scummy, and hectic just repped into it. but hectic's interaction with me since i joined hasn't filled me with benevolent townie joy.

I expect to struggle to get any traction on anything here, so rather than focus on my lesser scumreads, I'd rather devote 100% attention to eliminating 1 scum today (duppin) and then we can revisit others tomorrow.

buddies Taylor and tries to pocket me(we were both in his town reads with zero reason why)

cause Taylor is claimed rolestopper and because of [redacted]

shelly may get flipped day 1 a lot, but she is smart.

SAUDADE WAGON WHERE YOU AT?

like

ehhhhh I don’t think it gets us closer to solving the game in any way and I think BM is townlean
I’l take a look at mundivore, I like that wagon
joyed is also probscum

if you're leaning town on me can you sheep me onto somebody I am 95% sure is scum?

[Battle Mage]

when I conftown can I actually get some order here, and some traction behind a duppin elim?

I'd only consider anything you say if you'd stop it with the laughing emojis.

Talk to Hectic, he insisted I use them.

Town, in all respects, get your proverbial together.

[Battle Mage]

scum lean is what I feel

scum....lean??

it sounds more like lockscum given you want to elim me no matter what!

[Battle Mage]

can you elaborate
just because his reads aren’t vibing with yours
and because they meme claimed VT

doesn’t mean they’re scum

meme claimed? i had a reason for my claim. In this game...I suspect it'll be hard work even explaining that.

*teaching moment*
noraa there’s no need to SR everyone that doesn’t vibe with your reads and makes hot takes (that’s slightly town!AI tbh), mafia is a team game and town cohesion is important, sometimes you’re wrong and someone else is right

true dat.

He comes in votes the biggest wagon
buddies Taylor and tries to pocket me(we were both in his town reads with zero reason why)
then he jumps to the duppin wagon for zero reason. This also happens to be another major wagon rn.
He then starts TRing plus for ??? reasons
Then his SR is literally Hectic, Norwee, and Shelly
like wtf
two of the downiest players here and shelly, whose playstyle gets her killed day 1 just about everywhere

I mean
not everyone has to spell their thoughts out and not explaining yourself is pretty much NAI from my experiences
I know exactly why they TR you and town reading a claimed jailer is fine?
Norway may not be town, I feel like their SR on hectic and unafraidness to go against the grain reads light green

well I am definitely not afraid, that's for sure. except of Morning Tweet judging me if I somehow got limed Day 1

[Battle Mage]

i tried to case duppin, but too many scummy posts to count. like, read his bloody ISO for goodness sake. If you can't see

duppin is obvscum

, no amount of coaching from me is gonna help you like every post oozes it.

i'll be honest scumtells and a couple other randoms

i believe he said he was from another site but yes i think it is fairly obvious it is an alt and most likely someone from MS, but i dont think that is a reason for me to be more open to the idea of selfvoting

to be honest

I'm semi-upset that we're on page 15 and it feels like we just left RVS. Not cool.

i have to admit

that i really dislike this post. also credited Shelly for finally moving the game out of rvs in 154, i can appreciate the fact that perhaps the game didn't move in the direction you wanted but yeah.
overall you come across as really careful to me which i find suspicious

hm

I am going to be honest

Noraa, if you are town you are mislynch bait.

60% of your posts are fluff and the rest of your play is just reactionary which I'd normally consider to be a scumtell. You're not really doing anything proactive whatsoever, the readlist you just gave before gives the impression you're not really trying to figure out peoples alignment (like mixing me and bugspray up at this point is really weird to me). It doesnt really feel like youre putting in an effort to solve peoples alignment, however I am not convinced you are scum at all as this could indeed just come from a new player as well but yea if you are town then I sincerely hope you can be a bit more proactive

will tentatively jump on duppin wagon since after revisiting their ISO didn’t look very good. they’re a big null and I want to pressure them

your progression on me is really difficult to follow

to be honest

, but i will bite. Why do you think my ISO looks bad?

jester + duppin role fishing scum?

I explicitly softed hard that I was an Informed Townie to find those ROLEFISHERS

in all honestness it’s just a play style choice. jesters right, im trying to be more assertive to push my reads harder and be more convincing as town?

no matter what your alignment is I really think you need to drop the role fishing angle because no one talked about roles until you brought it up the second time i asked you if you were going to follow up on your statement since you said you would do so. you were the first and only one to indirectly paint yourself as a role, i have not asked for your role at any point all I did was ask you if you were going to follow up on your claim saying that your confidence had nothing to do with your alignment which to me indicated that it had nothing to do with your role either, so i have no idea how you could reach the conclusion it could be rolefishing the second time

to be honest

.

oh you said it was a playstyle choice. if that is the case then I think this was a weird play

to be honest

honestly i would

still like to hear from mundivore and plus before hammering

tayl0r i just read your claim and while i am not entirely sure i believe it, it is definitely enough for me to not want to lim you. would you still like me to respond to your posts?

yuck, keeping your options open to elim a town PR? gross

i have no intention of quickhammering, ill respond to all of your posts as soon as possible probably in 30 min or so

LAMIST

by the way

i genuinely think

the spam in this game has been a bit too much but perhaps thats just me, but keep in mind this is with 1 player being vl/a, 1 replacement and 1 slot still waiting to be replaced

I decided to go ISO Jester one more time.
I do

actually

believe he is town. I absolutely hate his self voting and I hope he stops doing it, but I am not interested in creating unnecessary distractions by pushing a policy lynch apparently no one else agrees with when I believe the player is most likely town.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Saduade

oh thats tempting actually

[Battle Mage]

No its stupid. Taylor fucking claimed. Why is she even in his reads?
He gave no reason to TR me. ZERO.

LOL

do you not read people once they claimed?

if so, how you scumread me?

i've never played a mafia game with anybody quite like you. it's certainly an experience.

[Battle Mage]

We need a lim asap and the new replacement is just not hitting right.
I suggest a BM lim.
It's put together a bit roughly on my part but I think its better than all the other choices for today
If I'm wrong, fuck
but I think this ones likely right

dude, you ain't elimming me, this is just funny

as a tip, you have no case to lean on here. you attack me for doing things which comply with the consensus (i.e. townreading taylor after her claim), and you attack me for doing things which go against the consensus (i.e. scumreading Hectic/Norweg). You hate it when I vote for the top suspects, you hate it when I vote for people who are not the top suspects. There's no logical basis for your case, you've just pointed out everything I've done and screamed "OMGZ that's SO scummy", at the expense of any consistency on your part.

[Battle Mage]

we’re in real danger for a no lim though, I think noraa is just a town that had a bad read because of the effort to get a lim in

at this point I can place my vote anywhere reasonable to get something through

I agree. It's a concern that I can only see eye-to-eye with Shelly-scum. Although maybe I'm wrong and you're town, which would be very good news.

No there is zero reason. Ongoing game? thats otherwise known as a SHIT reason bc he doesn't know my alignment there so my play there has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Please don't comment on ongoing games.

[Battle Mage]

also noraa, have you ever considered toning down the profanity?

[Battle Mage]

Place your vote on Saudade

out of respect for Saudade, I'd say stop referring to him as a player in the game. He isn't. You can refer to his "slot" though.

[Battle Mage]

He already gave u a readlist and it was hot garbage with zero reasons to justify anything. Unlike plus, he is not plusy or LHF. His dang game age is older than anyone here. He can do better. And now I think that slots scum.

I

think

hope there are people in this game older than 13...

Although I'm not sure why that matters.

Maybe you should take heed, and defer to my wisdom and experience a bit. I am old and know many things.

Also, be nice - I'm a new replacement, a little welcome wouldn't go amiss!?

[Battle Mage]

Duppin saying "to be honest" is a scumtell?

yep, with that frequency for sure. I can let a couple slide, but he's doing it post after post in one guise or another.

[Battle Mage]

No there is zero reason. Ongoing game? thats otherwise known as a SHIT reason bc he doesn't know my alignment there so my play there has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

can we not delve into that territory please

I want to her a full readslist from the BM slot before I reconsider anything

I've done what I'm doing today I think. We've got 2 days. I'm expecting some half-assed wagon on me, followed by panic as everyone wonders wtf to do, and probable no-elim, or some random compromise driven by scum. Me making loads of cases isn't gonna add value. All I can really do is try and push for a duppin-elim.

2007 join date can equal to LHF. being experienced doesn’t mean you are always hard to lim

noraaaaaaaaa do you think everyone needs to justify themselves. sometimes reads are just reads and they’re correct

i'm definitely not LHF lol.

2007 join date can equal to LHF. being experienced doesn’t mean you are always hard to lim

noraaaaaaaaa do you think everyone needs to justify themselves. sometimes reads are just reads and they’re correct

No. absolutely not.

Do you ever second guess yourself?

Reads need to be justified. We are not in rvs any longer. Two prs have outed. Town is already at a disadvantage and ur just gonna let some scum stroll in and drop some messy reads to confuse town more?

My reads weren't messy. I just repped into a 90+ page game, I gave some prompt and probably accurate reads. There was nothing confusing about it. I have justified my reads better than you have, and you've been here the entire duration of the game. I'm trying hard to resist the urge to coach you here, I will simply say you're wrong, and you should re-think. Although I'm certain you won't.

But feel free to surprise me.

[Battle Mage]

2007 join date does not equal LHF.
lets not have a pointless argument about why BM isn't LHF
its clear asf that he isn't

this is correct.

can you understand that LHF = low hanging fruit = elimination bait = a player that is generally miselimable as town
experience doesn’t not make you Sherlock Holmes

like the case on BM is “he doesn’t explain his reads” explaining reads is NAI?
noraaaaaaaaa why do you think not explaining is scum!AI. why do you think the reads actually come from scum? just because they are basically not vibing with yours doesn’t mean they come from scum

Statistically speaking, I very rarely get day-elimmed as either alignment. I'm the opposite of LHF I guess. This game is slightly different as there are players who I think harbour little grudges against me from other games, which is a shame. But at the end of the day, I can only play to my wincon and hope the town majority can join me.

None of that is to say I'm a great scumhunter. But I obvtown ALOT. Noraa's scumdar is just way off unfortunately.

[Battle Mage]

what I wouldn't give to have Morning Tweet as an actual player in this game. I hope there's some post-game debrief or something

[Battle Mage]

noraaaaaaaa whats your read on me then?
my gut literally screams town on BM
do you think scum goes against the consensus on multiple slots upon entrance they can just park on someone like norway

yeah and not to labour the point but, that's especially the case when repping into a slot which has lurker-heat. if you're town shelly, you're good town. I respect that.

2 a's is enough

u can just go back to the SR group since I'm salty rn

ah, so THIS is what we are dealing with....

[Battle Mage]

why is it not logical to point out inconsistencies in Norway’s logic? their point is that Norways claim didn’t prove anything and therefore it was a bad claim and it might come from scum trying to shade Taylor

well put

I literally ended up dying later than u. shows how bad ur busses r. maybe u have failed bussing so much that u've decided to change it up. who knows?

flippin 'eck

this is how you talk to your friends!?

[Battle Mage]

why is it not logical to point out inconsistencies in Norway’s logic? their point is that Norways claim didn’t prove anything and therefore it was a bad claim and it might come from scum trying to shade Taylor

this logic is terrible. Norwees claim does prove things. 1) it gives us setup info that we would never get if norwee died day 1 or night 1, 2) it would've gotten some sort of scummy reaction out of Taylor if she was scum

number 2 made me groan....

1. is fair, although that doesn't explain why he chose to claim THEN. It's a surprising argument for you to make, given you were previously lamenting the fact 2 town PRs had outted. Yet you defend Norweg's claim even though he didn't really need to make it then.

Eh, I don't feel strongly about any of it, but I think your points here are pretty weak.

[Battle Mage]

So i did you a favour and checked out one of his scumgames vs towngames and the frequency of the word usage "honestly" - "to be honest" "honest"
So in one of his scumgames (open 644) the count was: 26
In two of his towngames. (Open 708 and Mini 1789) the count was: 13 and 10 respectively.
Open 644 was a rather long game where he endgamed as scum while 708 and mini 1789 he died somwhat early as town.
Just from this is can conclude that his usage of "honest" really isn't scum indicative.
Why do you consider this a scum tell anyway BM? Is that all you're basing the read of Duppin on?

that's not really doing me a favour as I'm still flipping him. i've flipped scum with it a bunch of times, so it's fairly reliable. and no, that's just 1 example i bothered to illustrate.

I'm still hoping everyone will just sheep me!

[Battle Mage]

Also Battle Mage, i don't really think you obvtown a lot. You just talk a bunch of shit, as either alignment.

Maybe you should take heed, and defer to my wisdom and experience a bit. I am old and know many things.

This meanwhile just looks like you're blatantly attempting to pocket Noraa.

I am 1000% not trying to pocket Noraa. That would be impossible. I don't even think it's achievable for a great player like me to get Noraa to consider there being a 1% chance I'm town.

And I think you're speaking for yourself in terms of talking a bunch of shit. I think in our last game you got elimmed Day 1 for it?

The stats don't lie.

[Battle Mage]

I just showed you he uses the word "honestly" regardless of alignment, it's just a word he likes to use.
That tell clearly isn't appropriate to use when reading him.

I haven't verified your claimed meta on him, but the fact he uses it as either alignment proves nothing. it's the frequency and framing of it which should all be taken into account.

Even forum mafia is a game of sophistry.

Duppin is my choice of elim today, and I'm gonna do a Noraa and not listen to anybody who says otherwise (at least partly because we've got 2 days, and probably not enough time to do anything else constructive).

[Battle Mage]

tayl0r i just read your claim and while i am not entirely sure i believe it, it is definitely enough for me to not want to lim you. would you still like me to respond to your posts?

yuck, keeping your options open to elim a town PR? gross

i have no intention of quickhammering, ill respond to all of your posts as soon as possible probably in 30 min or so

LAMIST

This is all else you got, the first one is a shit shade because anyone would suspect a run up scummy player claiming PR.
And then you say he is LAMIST for unvoting, when it was clear they were likely to be town, what makes this different from a town!Duppin unvoting?

the LAMIST was "I have no intention of quickhammering". Who says that as town?

[Battle Mage]

And I think you're speaking for yourself in terms of talking a bunch of shit. I think in our last game you got elimmed Day 1 for it?

The stats don't lie.

No idea what you are talking about.
Are you just going to follow some stats instead of genuinely scum hunting?

Haha I can link the game if you want, but don't want to embarrass you. Maybe don't throw stones at me from your glass house eh?

No idea what you're talking about re: me following stats instead of scumhunting. The stats were about me and you - I'm not pushing to eliminate either of us today, luckily for you.

I'm scumhunting all the way baby. Duppin it is. My gut doesn't lie!

[Battle Mage]

could i make you a deal that if duppin flips town today, i promise you can flip me tomorrow?

[Battle Mage]

I'm scumhunting all the way baby. Duppin it is. My gut doesn't lie!

You're literally the scummiest player alive in this game and if you'd pull something like claiming a cop guilty on your scum teammate to buss again i wouldn't believe a word of it.
Luckily this is day 1 and you're the elimination today so that won't be a problem.

lol seems to me like you're just bitter about the games you've lost, and you're too blinded by that to look at anything objectively here. Not good play buddy. You don't believe anything you're saying above, and it's either just your personal beef, or you're opportunistic scum.

Doesn't matter either way to me!

[Battle Mage]

I'll give you more credit than you give yourself, and say that you ain't gonna flip me today.

[Battle Mage]

You're not trying to prove Duppin is scum, you're just discrediting everything i say. That's now how town plays BM.

i'm doing both! and I'm glad you're town reading me now, having said I was the scummiest player in the game like 2 posts ago. Great U-turn

[Battle Mage]

You're not trying to prove Duppin is scum, you're just discrediting everything i say. That's now how town plays BM.

i'm doing both! and I'm glad you're town reading me now, having said I was the scummiest player in the game like 2 posts ago. Great U-turn

Never said i townread you.

you literally did in the post you quoted here.

doesn't matter bud, we ain't flippin you today anyway. I'm a compassionate man.

[Battle Mage]

could i make you a deal that if duppin flips town today, i promise you can flip me tomorrow?

I can agree to taking another look at Duppin if you flip town, not the other way around.

I'm actually conf-able town mate, so to save you some time: start looking, and get to voting.

[Battle Mage]

I just said "That's not how town plays".
Explicitly referring to you. Because you're not playing as town.

man, you're wasting your energy here and just making yourself look bad. Because you have a bit of experience with me and do know better.

[Battle Mage]

Anyway, I think that's me checking out for the day. To summarise:

Duppin is scum.
We flip Duppin today.
I don't mind taking full responsibility if he flips town - you can flip me tomorrow.

I'll likely be around a bit to claim if I get run up.

[Battle Mage]

I don't really believe a word you say. But i will give other players time to catch up before i say anymore.

maybe I'll whisper sweet nothings in your ear tonight

[Battle Mage]

I've decided, there are too many weaker players to risk not fully claiming at this point, as I could get elimmed for the lols at any moment. Plus when i started typing this, I was aiming for a sweet pagetop.

I am hereby claiming a

confirmable town power role

. I.e. I can mechanically confirm myself as town.

So yeah, elimming me today would be....very dumb.

[Battle Mage]

excellent, pagetop secured.

Also, nice work Noraa and Norweg for outting another PR. I'm not salty though.

[Battle Mage]

ah i re-read 2525, I retract my salty comment about player quality. The vast majority of players here are actually good, and have played with lots of you before. Just irritated I need to actually claim Day 1.

[Battle Mage]

That still doesn't change the fact that your case on Duppin was bad.

I'll accept your apology.

I'll tell you what - your read was WRONG.

My read MAY BE RIGHT.

So how about giving me the benefit of the doubt?

[Battle Mage]

I didn't properly case duppin to be fair, as it's really so obvious. there's just no point. once the majority of players show up, i'm pretty sure we can get some momentum there.

[Battle Mage]

You might just be faking it to gain momentum for your push here, but eh.
You'll have to commit yourself either way.

consider me committed lad!

[Battle Mage]

excellent vote, and you're right i am great as scum. but not so great as to be able to Mod-confirm myself town.

[Battle Mage]

cool stat: out of 23 completed games this year, I've survived to the end in 14 of them, 10 victories, 4 endgame-defeats. From those 23 games, I was lunched in only 3. So, not LHF

[Battle Mage]

hi Duppin, I don't have much time atm, but just to conclude with a couple things:

1. From my early impressions, I respect you as a player regardless of what you flip, and don't think you've played badly here.
2. I think the points you have made above are broadly fair, and I'm not going to pick them apart with a fine toothcomb.
3. My reasons for suspecting you are much more than I've posted in thread, but I don't want to over-effort this. People will come to their own views.
4. I'm going to try and elim you today, as my gut is you are scum. It's not a personal thing.
5. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong - that's mafia. But I'm prepared to take heat tomorrow for it of course, without excuses.

To the peanut gallery: I may well get NKed tonight regardless, so if I do, you have my reads - at least look into them, especially if duppin flips red. there's lots of partner-equity in that group. If I'm still alive tomorrow, I'll effort more.

[Battle Mage]

did you want to do a final readslist beforehand? - if you flip town and I'm around tomorrow, I commit to giving it due consideration.

[Battle Mage]

hi Duppin, I don't have much time atm, but just to conclude with a couple things:

1. From my early impressions, I respect you as a player regardless of what you flip, and don't think you've played badly here.
2. I think the points you have made above are broadly fair, and I'm not going to pick them apart with a fine toothcomb.
3. My reasons for suspecting you are much more than I've posted in thread, but I don't want to over-effort this. People will come to their own views.

But see the issue with you not providing any reasoning besides a meta read that has already been proven to be wrong, people have already pushed on me several times today making up their opinion on my slot, so if you are town why would they from your point of view change their opinion just because of a wrong meta read? (also if you are town and you end up mislimming me today you probably need to look at people being swayed by this since it is proven to be wrong)

4. I'm going to try and elim you today, as my gut is you are scum. It's not a personal thing.

and that is another issue - if you are so confident I am scum why are would you not try to present a proper case on me to lim me? i dont think your attitude really lines up with your apparent read on me

mon ami

Welcome to the BM School of Scumhunting.

Due to the pandemic, we will be operating smaller class sizes.

[Battle Mage]

I am hereby claiming a

confirmable town power role

. I.e. I can mechanically confirm myself as town.

So yeah, elimming me today would be....very dumb.

Dude there's like 2 days till deadline. we need a consensus. A duppin elim is that consensus. I'm completely tunnelled on you right now. If others have also had their suspicions, great, they can form their own opinion. I can understand you thinking I'm not trying hard but:

A. We're 100 pages deep on Day 1, and I just joined. Gimme a break!
B. Frequently people just sheep me regardless of how well I explain my reads.

If I'm wrong about you then that's my bad, but I have read your ISO in full, and it screams scum to me. That's my take, and in some ways, the beauty of replacements is that they can see things with a new perspective.

[Battle Mage]

did you want to do a final readslist beforehand? - if you flip town and I'm around tomorrow, I commit to giving it due consideration.

no not really, not because i dont want to but more so because my reads would really depend on how this goes down. As stated above if I get mislynched due to a player refusing to present an actual case and instead going with a meta read that another player has already proven is wrong, then it does not seem reasonable to me that town would be swayed by it (well if they do then that's really poor of them), id reckon it is more likely scum would.

i understand there is some slight bias in that but i think the logic is relatively easy to understand though. if a player already has a town read on me it does not make sense for them to do a 180 on me because a player says he has meta read that is easy to verify, would you not agree? hence why I think it is questionable of you to not present a case if you are town and really believe i am scum

I think it's safe to assume you've got what you're gonna get - I don't see why you would postpone giving reads based on the justification above. Claiming I've gone with a bad meta read on you is factually inaccurate, as

I haven't even given a meta read

. It's a poor misrep, but I'm not gonna make a fuss about it. I think you just picked up something Norweg said, and either misunderstood and ran with it when I couldn't be bothered to call you out, or you're deliberately re-writing history.

townblocking is good though man - if you can get a few town ppl, like maybe me, Noraa, Taylor aligned, we could do some good in this world. unlikely with noraa, but i'm always open to try.

And I really believe in my heart, you are scum.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Duppin
Well the spotlight is now on you.

Looking forward to an response.

actually I had not even noticed you had voted on me

yet

, so could you explain this? you townread me and scumread his slot, he presents a meta read on me that you refute yet you still vote me

yet? so you figured it was inevitable he would at some point then? fatalistic much!

Norweg is the sort of player who can adapt to what's going on around him.

[Battle Mage]

I am hereby claiming a

confirmable town power role

. I.e. I can mechanically confirm myself as town.

So yeah, elimming me today would be....very dumb.

Dude there's like 2 days till deadline. we need a consensus. A duppin elim is that consensus. I'm completely tunnelled on you right now. If others have also had their suspicions, great, they can form their own opinion. I can understand you thinking I'm not trying hard but:

A. We're 100 pages deep on Day 1, and I just joined. Gimme a break!
B. Frequently people just sheep me regardless of how well I explain my reads.

If I'm wrong about you then that's my bad, but I have read your ISO in full, and it screams scum to me. That's my take, and in some ways, the beauty of replacements is that they can see things with a new perspective.

i even pointed it out yourself that i believe that if you are town then it is likely that the reason your readlist is so different compared to mine is because you replaced in.

i dont think any one of the things you just said is an excuse for not presenting a case whatsoever especially not if have read my ISO in full and it screams scum to you

man, you havent even properly rebutted what I've said in the last couple pages.

you should be happy anyway that I'm not gunning you much harder. No value in continuing to bait me.

[Battle Mage]

how is it not a meta read? it is based on the assumption that the frequency of someone saying to be honest or variance of that is somehow supposed to be scummy. It is easy to prove that this has nothing to do with my alignments by looking up my games, I also asked you to please point out a game where this has ever been the point because I have a difficult time believing this is actually a read but you seem to suggest it is so i would just really like to see something because in that case at least your thoughtprocess seems to be backed up by something concrete.

but I have already shared my reads and listed my townblock but given that i think is suspicious for someone to do a 180 on me given the case you have presented i think it would be misleading for me to potentially townread a slot especially since im going to flip town if you mislim me

You are mistaken. It's not a meta-read, because it has nothing to do with any of your other games. It's entirely contained within this thread. You're mistaking it with your own meta-defence, which is you claiming that your behaviour in this game is proportionate to your other games as town.

I haven't done any meta analysis of you, so I can neither confirm nor deny your claim. I've noted what Norweg said - even if he is correct, which he may not be, that doesn't invalidate my argument in and of itself. I'm not totally convinced you've done that analysis on yourself either, which would make me question why you would blindly rely on Norweg, and not make a value judgement about his alignment based on him defending you in this way. Although I can understand you being pre-occupied with self-defence right now.

Remember, in mafia it isn't solely about the words you use, but their frequency and context, amongst other things. I'm very big on this sort of stuff, as you can probably tell. The "honest" stuff is just one example of a wider technique.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Duppin
Well the spotlight is now on you.

Looking forward to an response.

actually I had not even noticed you had voted on me yet, so could you explain this? you townread me and scumread his slot, he presents a meta read on me that you refute yet you still vote me

He claimed he would be confirmed PR. That puts the pressure on him, if you flip town and he can't prove his role tommorow he is likely confirmed scum.

which for you duppin, should make you suspect Norweg as wanting to setting up multiple mis-elims.

Do you though?

[Battle Mage]

but I have already shared my reads and listed my townblock but given that i think is suspicious for someone to do a 180 on me given the case you have presented i think it would be misleading for me to potentially townread a slot especially since im going to flip town if you mislim me

i mean this feels like an argument for you scumreading Norweg, but you haven't been so bold....yet.

[Battle Mage]

anyway I'm freakin' hungry! Have fun y'all, I'll catch you later!

[Battle Mage]

but I have already shared my reads and listed my townblock but given that i think is suspicious for someone to do a 180 on me given the case you have presented i think it would be misleading for me to potentially townread a slot especially since im going to flip town if you mislim me

i mean this feels like an argument for you scumreading Norweg, but you haven't been so bold....yet.

Because this is just happening and I prefer to give him the chance to explain himself

I mean you're better off giving town an alternative aren't you? I'm pretty cool with competing Norweg and duppin wagons to give us a bit more info. At least part of your issue currently is there isn't any viable option other than flipping you.

I think Norweg's behaviour towards you - initially defending hard, then voting to see if it would go anywhere, then backtracking when it didn't immediately result in an elim, could arguably be seen as a bit scummy. Especially if you're town perhaps.

[Battle Mage]

and also it hurts me to say this but if i do get mislimmed i dont want people to automatically lim BM tomorrow even if he fails to prove himself in the night (obviously depends on his claim, but he could be roleblocked and whatever if he is town) because there is a chance he is just being a bad townie at the moment. just to clarify i am not saying him scumreading me makes him a bad townie, i am saying his tunneling, refusal to explain and sticking to awful reasoning is what makes him a bad townie if he is town

I'm not being a bad townie dude. I have a suspicion, I'm pushing it through. Even if I'm wrong, according to your definition there are others in this game who have also been "bad townies" for pushing people without putting forward a case which can be refuted (like, everybody who suspected me for starters).

I can definitely concede I'm not being the most virile version of BM here. So let's just leave it there, rather than throwing shade.

[Battle Mage]

okay tbh once again i am honestly going to be honest since honesty is important

no okay but seriously i have to leave in a couple of hours and wont be back till tomorrow so i just want to make it very clear that I am town and I find this incredibly frustrating and actually not very enjoyable. I am supposed to defend myself against absolutely nothing.
He refuses to present a case on me so not only is it impossible for me to get a proper read on him but it's also a waste of time trying to engage him since he has already admitted that he is just tunneling at this point.

He has not provided a single actual reason for why he believes i am suspicious. He claims my ISO is so scummy that he apparatenly can't even make a case and that me saying I am honest is so incredibly scummy even though I clearly do it as either alignment so it means absoloutely nothing plus he also doesnt want to back up why he thinks it would even be a scumtell even though he suggests he often catches players like this.

i am sure someone will claim this is me being scum being frustrated at being caught by virtually nothing but no thats not the case, this is town me being frustrated by a really awful push. no reasons given, refuses to provide explanations when engaged, if i get mislimmed today then id tell town to be very wary of the players doing a 180 on me due to this push, if a town does a 180 on me then shame on them honestly thats just poor play

Although i admire the effort and emotion, you'd be better off spending your time actually making a case on somebody you think is scum.

[Battle Mage]

I've decided, there are too many weaker players to risk not fully claiming at this point, as I could get elimmed for the lols at any moment. Plus when i started typing this, I was aiming for a sweet pagetop.

I am hereby claiming a confirmable town power role. I.e. I can mechanically confirm myself as town.

So yeah, elimming me today would be....very dumb.

okaaaaaay cool

VOTE: duppin

see noraa im right, BM is GREEN

woop woop!

can we get some readslists up in this place?

[Battle Mage]

if you're town shelly, you're good town. I respect that.

thanks and no offence but noraaaaaa is bad town sometimes, like how is going against the consensus + following the consensus both scum!AI?

no offence taken!

VOTE: Duppin
Well the spotlight is now on you.

Looking forward to an response.

actually I had not even noticed you had voted on me yet, so could you explain this? you townread me and scumread his slot, he presents a meta read on me that you refute yet you still vote me

He claimed he would be confirmed PR. That puts the pressure on him, if you flip town and he can't prove his role tommorow he is likely confirmed scum.

but we don't know how he could confirm himself. he can just claim he was roleblocked and perhaps it is even true. As I said if you mislim me today I don't want you to automatically lim him no matter how awful his play is today just because of my flip, but yes you should definitely be wary of him.
Anywho does this mean that you want to lim be even though you are townreading just because of his soft claim?

awful play? damn man, you're making it hard for me to like you. i think being wary of me is fine. i'm not going to say anything further about my role - less info for scum is definitely better in the circumcision.

[Battle Mage]

I just showed you he uses the word "honestly" regardless of alignment, it's just a word he likes to use.
That tell clearly isn't appropriate to use when reading him.

fwiw one of the scum traits is over explanation so I can see how the word “honestly” pings that way

yeah, and it's just a bit of a slip - scum can comment honestly on something when they are responding 'out of character' and not in their evil dishonest game persona. There's lots of other similar ones. Overuse of 'emphasis' words like "really" and "absolutely" is generally a good indicator that somebody is either scum or overly emotive town, but you can usefully meta that one to see if it's part of their character. Use of pretext or subtext to justify a vote (i.e. being too worried about getting called out for naked voting) can be scummy too. Generally, his approach has been very cautious, and he's taken every opportunity to try and portray himself as town in a way which doesn't seem genuine. The push on Saudade for ages didn't read great to me - it occupied a lot of his posting, but he didn't push it that hard (and Saudade was lurker town and probably qualifies as LHF).

[Battle Mage]

I mostly just wanted to see how you would respond to the pressure Duppin. Since BM seemed so convinced on you.
But his case is really bad.
UNVOTE:

BM i had hoped you would have more than "yeah gut scum on Duppin, he playing really well though"

pretty scummy my dude.

You're literally the scummiest player alive in this game and if you'd pull something like claiming a cop guilty on your scum teammate to buss again i wouldn't believe a word of it.
Luckily this is day 1 and you're the elimination today so that won't be a problem.

so this game just became norway + Noraa vs BM

I kinda want to consider scum partners norway+Noraa here

I don't think Noraa is scum. If she is, I think I find her even more baffling than I already do. Norweg is definitely on my radar.

[Battle Mage]

okay tbh once again i am honestly going to be honest since honesty is important

no okay but seriously i have to leave in a couple of hours and wont be back till tomorrow so i just want to make it very clear that I am town and I find this incredibly frustrating and actually not very enjoyable. I am supposed to defend myself against absolutely nothing.
He refuses to present a case on me so not only is it impossible for me to get a proper read on him but it's also a waste of time trying to engage him since he has already admitted that he is just tunneling at this point.

He has not provided a single actual reason for why he believes i am suspicious. He claims my ISO is so scummy that he apparatenly can't even make a case and that me saying I am honest is so incredibly scummy even though I clearly do it as either alignment so it means absoloutely nothing plus he also doesnt want to back up why he thinks it would even be a scumtell even though he suggests he often catches players like this.

i am sure someone will claim this is me being scum being frustrated at being caught by virtually nothing but no thats not the case, this is town me being frustrated by a really awful push. no reasons given, refuses to provide explanations when engaged, if i get mislimmed today then id tell town to be very wary of the players doing a 180 on me due to this push, if a town does a 180 on me then shame on them honestly thats just poor play

Although i admire the effort and emotion, you'd be better off spending your time actually making a case on somebody you think is scum.

but this is why ive been trying to solve your slot but you refuse to explain your reads giving me nothing to work with.

I've listed my reads and my current vote is on Plus. I think plus is suspicious, I think you are but your claim makes me not want to vote on you today, I still find redados suspicious but he isn't around and I think mundivore is suspicious as well

mate you dont need to solve my slot, I'm town, and I think that ship has sailed for today anyway. Assume I'm town, and work with that.

I'd be happy to look at a mundivore case from you?

[Battle Mage]

pretty scummy my dude.

YOUR CASE IS SHIT

calm down dear lol

it's nothing to do with my case - you should explain your own oscillation between defending and attacking duppin.

[Battle Mage]

Literally the only reason i haven't been death tunneling you right now is your PR claim BM. Don't test my patience.

i couldn't care less what you do. I wasn't counting on you to do anything other than blindly tunnel me as soon as I replaced in. To the extent you can manage more than that, I'll be impressed and happy.

[Battle Mage]

awful play? damn man, you're making it hard for me to like you. i think being wary of me is fine. i'm not going to say anything further about my role - less info for scum is definitely better in the circumcision.

that's fair the phrasing might be harsh and ill most likely apologise for it post game, but it is really frustrating to me. You refuse to evaluate my slot and you are trying to force a mislim on me through your claim. I'm not attacking you personally, I think everyone has played bad games and you are free to argue I have played a bad one here as well, my i think you have had a poor entrance if you are town not because of you not having proper reads yet which I said i understand given you replaced into the spam, but more so the way you approached your push

I think the fact we have 100+ pages and no consensus and limited info on Day 1 is a failure on the part of everybody, including myself, regardless of alignment.

I don't think I could have done much differently with the entrance. It has only gone the way it has because of Noraa and Norweg having personal problems with me which aren't related to anything in this game, and the Saudade slot being vulnerable because it didn't post much.

[Battle Mage]

but I have already shared my reads and listed my townblock but given that i think is suspicious for someone to do a 180 on me given the case you have presented i think it would be misleading for me to potentially townread a slot especially since im going to flip town if you mislim me

i mean this feels like an argument for you scumreading Norweg, but you haven't been so bold....yet.

Because this is just happening and I prefer to give him the chance to explain himself

I mean you're better off giving town an alternative aren't you? I'm pretty cool with competing Norweg and duppin wagons to give us a bit more info. At least part of your issue currently is there isn't any viable option other than flipping you.

I think Norweg's behaviour towards you - initially defending hard, then voting to see if it would go anywhere, then backtracking when it didn't immediately result in an elim, could arguably be seen as a bit scummy. Especially if you're town perhaps.

but there are alternatives like plus, mundivore, redados and whatever. I think these are all better alternatives to Norwee.
I don't want competing wagons between me and Norwee because while agree with you that what he did was a bad look I still find his overall play to be town. I also definitely don't want you to control who the competing wagons should be because as I said your reads seem to be almost opposite mine, you just replaced in so you havent been able to read the game and eveyrone properly yet, you havent really explained any of your reads plus you believe i am the "most obvious scum ever". Why should I have any faith in your reads at this point no matter what your alignment is?

I'm not interested in any of those, except maybe Mundivore. I don't mind if you trust my reads or not. I think you need to create a viable counter-wagon to yourself, and the fact you aren't doing so is really odd. It's self-defeating.

and also it hurts me to say this but if i do get mislimmed i dont want people to automatically lim BM tomorrow even if he fails to prove himself in the night (obviously depends on his claim, but he could be roleblocked and whatever if he is town) because there is a chance he is just being a bad townie at the moment. just to clarify i am not saying him scumreading me makes him a bad townie, i am saying his tunneling, refusal to explain and sticking to awful reasoning is what makes him a bad townie if he is town

I'm not being a bad townie dude. I have a suspicion, I'm pushing it through. Even if I'm wrong, according to your definition there are others in this game who have also been "bad townies" for pushing people without putting forward a case which can be refuted (like, everybody who suspected me for starters).

I can definitely concede I'm not being the most virile version of BM here. So let's just leave it there, rather than throwing shade.

I disagree. If you are town then i genuinely think you are being a bad townie. As I said I don't think you are being a bad townie by scumreading or pushing on me, I think you are being a bad townie because you refuse to explain your read on me. Like I said if you are so dead set on me being scum yet don't want to present a case on me, then it would make way more sense for you to try to convince people i am scum by making an actual case. You already claimed you have read my whole ISO and if I am the most obvious scum you have ever seen surely it would be simple for you to point out what you think makes me scum. Add to the fact that if you are town then you are essentially tunneling hard on another townie but refusing to work with him by not trying to explain your logic or reasoning which would help me and everyone else get a better read on you. It comes across as you trying to push through a lim by claiming pr - the only reasons Norwee and and shelly voted on me was because of your pr claim, not because of your actual case. It's just bad play overall in my opinion because youre not really getting people to take actual stances, not trying to engage, not trying to open for discussion but just telling people to sheep you because of "your gut" (which is wrong) because you claim you can confirm yourself as PR. It is day 1, I really stand by my statement that if you are town then I think you are being a bad town at the moment[/quote]

I think if you want to complain about people not taking actual stances, you need to be more pro-active yourself and give people something to talk about other than "is duppin scum?". I have been very supportive of a counter-wagon, but it would need to be someone who I think has a good chance of flipping red.

I'm curious as to how this game got so long? Who benefits from that? my own musings...

[Battle Mage]

Btw Hectic, you wouldn’t be so mean as to try to pocket me this game right?
We’re too good friends for that right?

What do you mean? I was told friends were supposed to pocket each other.

Up to this post, I think BM is probably town and his "to be honest" case is uh, something I've seen he likes to do as town. He once tried to get me launched in a newbie game for the use of "concerning" and "worries me". I was town.

ah but in fairness to me:

A. I tried to pressure you, but never actually followed through on launching you.
B. We both won easily.

[Battle Mage]

awful play? damn man, you're making it hard for me to like you. i think being wary of me is fine. i'm not going to say anything further about my role - less info for scum is definitely better in the circumcision.

that's fair the phrasing might be harsh and ill most likely apologise for it post game, but it is really frustrating to me. You refuse to evaluate my slot and you are trying to force a mislim on me through your claim. I'm not attacking you personally, I think everyone has played bad games and you are free to argue I have played a bad one here as well, my i think you have had a poor entrance if you are town not because of you not having proper reads yet which I said i understand given you replaced into the spam, but more so the way you approached your push

I think the fact we have 100+ pages and no consensus and limited info on Day 1 is a failure on the part of everybody, including myself, regardless of alignment.

I don't think I could have done much differently with the entrance. It has only gone the way it has because of Noraa and Norweg having personal problems with me which aren't related to anything in this game, and the Saudade slot being vulnerable because it didn't post much.

I think you could, I think you could have put more effort into explaining your reads. I understand that its not fun to catch up in a game with this much spam, but you threw out a lot of reads and came across as very confident with very ltitle explanation and a clear indication that you hadnt really caught up to the game yet which is obviously understandable. You tunneled reads and was not trying to solve. I agree that we are close to deadline so obviously we should try to push for a lim, but trying to force a lim by saying youre a tpr and that you are willing to trade yourself is not a good entrance in my opinion. So the tunneling behaviour, dismissal of others, refusing to explain reads, using a soft pr claim and wifom (willing to trade) to push a lim through is what bothers me personally

what can I say? I have a bias towards a lynch chosen by me without any influence from scum. I doubt scum are that excited to bus each other after 100 freakin' pages.

[Battle Mage]

Hey, BM, you normally actually do the meta on these kind of cases. You looked at the rate of my usage of "worries" and "concerns" in that newbie game. Why are you choosing to ignore evidence which suggests your case is completely invalid, or look into it yourself?

effort man - unlike in your case where that was my only real argument, in this case it's one of many, and so doing a meta analysis ain't worth it.

[Battle Mage]

lets do a popcorn giving readslists

@duppin your turn, take as long as you’d like, im off with some RL stuff for half an hour

Let's not. Especislly not right before a night phase where scum can use the information to make better nightkills.

we've got a bunch of claimed PRs dude. I don't think scum are NKing based on some readslists

[Battle Mage]

I think if you want to complain about people not taking actual stances, you need to be more pro-active yourself and give people something to talk about other than "is duppin scum?". I have been very supportive of a counter-wagon, but it would need to be someone who I think has a good chance of flipping red.

I'm curious as to how this game got so long? Who benefits from that? my own musings...

sure thats valid criticism, but my point is more so that I am already on a counter wagon (plus), you disagree with the read which is fair but i dont think you can argue that i need to be pro active and push a counter wagon while also dismissing it all if you dont agree with the wagon itself. I am not saying I wish to push this wagon as of right now though, instead what i will say is that you also have to understand how annoying it is to have someone try to force a lim on you by claming he can confirm himself as pr and is willing to trade himself and nothing else

i think its fine for me to suggest you come up with a viable alternative to your elim.

[Battle Mage]

Hey, BM, you normally actually do the meta on these kind of cases. You looked at the rate of my usage of "worries" and "concerns" in that newbie game. Why are you choosing to ignore evidence which suggests your case is completely invalid, or look into it yourself?

effort man - unlike in your case where that was my only real argument, in this case it's one of many, and so doing a meta analysis ain't worth it.

but why are you not willing to present any of these many arguments then?

i've commented on some of them - maybe you missed them, or maybe you ignored them. I'm not indulging this further as not helpful.

[Battle Mage]

Hey, BM, you normally actually do the meta on these kind of cases. You looked at the rate of my usage of "worries" and "concerns" in that newbie game. Why are you choosing to ignore evidence which suggests your case is completely invalid, or look into it yourself?

effort man - unlike in your case where that was my only real argument, in this case it's one of many, and so doing a meta analysis ain't worth it.

If it's one of many, give the other arguments. You're fine with arguing with others for hours on end, but you're not bothered to put the effort in to case the other reasons?

that is exactly right

i'm basically ready to end the day if nothing else is going to happen

[Battle Mage]

i'm surprised that the conversation is so focussed on me not making a case on duppin, rather than what others actually think themselves. in many ways, what i do doesn't really matter so much in the context of this game. i'm obvtown, but ofc i could be wrong in my suspicions. so you either go with me, or find your own way. it is super easy!

[Battle Mage]

I think if you want to complain about people not taking actual stances, you need to be more pro-active yourself and give people something to talk about other than "is duppin scum?". I have been very supportive of a counter-wagon, but it would need to be someone who I think has a good chance of flipping red.

I'm curious as to how this game got so long? Who benefits from that? my own musings...

sure thats valid criticism, but my point is more so that I am already on a counter wagon (plus), you disagree with the read which is fair but i dont think you can argue that i need to be pro active and push a counter wagon while also dismissing it all if you dont agree with the wagon itself. I am not saying I wish to push this wagon as of right now though, instead what i will say is that you also have to understand how annoying it is to have someone try to force a lim on you by claming he can confirm himself as pr and is willing to trade himself and nothing else

i think its fine for me to suggest you come up with a viable alternative to your elim.

i think so too, but i dont think its fine to claim i am not doing so just because you disagree with the read. i dont trust you or have faith in your reads, yet you also claim you are only willing to entertain a counter wagon if it is on one of your own reads which obviously makes sense, but that does not mean i dont want to lim someone else. I also think its odd for you to suggest that it is defeatist of me not to propose anotehr wagon i mean i suppose it could be, but i think its rather obvious that i am actually trying to put in an effort and if you think it makes more sense for me to scum to go on a rant instead of trying to push a lim then i am not sure why you believe that to be the case.

it just so happens that we both find mundivore suspicious, but if i am the most obvious scum ever and your top scum read why would you want a counterwagon?

counterwagon means valuable info.

[Battle Mage]

Not voting duppin. Your push makes him look even more towny to me. His tone is right and I agree with all of his points, although it's probably not difficult to be right in this case when you're refusing to try and convince people and asking them to blindly sheep you instead.

lol yeah because everyone else is trying to hard. oh wait...

[Battle Mage]

Not voting duppin. Your push makes him look even more towny to me. His tone is right and I agree with all of his points, although it's probably not difficult to be right in this case when you're refusing to try and convince people and asking them to blindly sheep you instead.

Well yeah, and that's why i unvoted Duppin.
It's clear BM is just way over his head here but can't back down because he's already gone down this path.
Pretty sure it's mostly his ego talking right now.

If no one agrees with the "to be honest" case, there's no use engaging BM further on it until he decides to provide more. Otherwise, we're just clogging up the thread arguing in circles about BM not giving us anything else.

duppin, I'd recommend moving on yourself. Are you happy with where your vote is?

i mean really if you were town, I'd expect you to be more worried about your own opinions and arguments, rather than solely relying on sheeping me. Like, if you're gonna sheep, sheep, otherwise give your own considerations. I do think continuing to allow scum to set the agenda is a bad idea, and we're more likely to mis-elim by not going with my choice, but I'm the new kid on the block.

[Battle Mage]

I think if you want to complain about people not taking actual stances, you need to be more pro-active yourself and give people something to talk about other than "is duppin scum?". I have been very supportive of a counter-wagon, but it would need to be someone who I think has a good chance of flipping red.

I'm curious as to how this game got so long? Who benefits from that? my own musings...

sure thats valid criticism, but my point is more so that I am already on a counter wagon (plus), you disagree with the read which is fair but i dont think you can argue that i need to be pro active and push a counter wagon while also dismissing it all if you dont agree with the wagon itself. I am not saying I wish to push this wagon as of right now though, instead what i will say is that you also have to understand how annoying it is to have someone try to force a lim on you by claming he can confirm himself as pr and is willing to trade himself and nothing else

i think its fine for me to suggest you come up with a viable alternative to your elim.

i think so too, but i dont think its fine to claim i am not doing so just because you disagree with the read. i dont trust you or have faith in your reads, yet you also claim you are only willing to entertain a counter wagon if it is on one of your own reads which obviously makes sense, but that does not mean i dont want to lim someone else. I also think its odd for you to suggest that it is defeatist of me not to propose anotehr wagon i mean i suppose it could be, but i think its rather obvious that i am actually trying to put in an effort and if you think it makes more sense for me to scum to go on a rant instead of trying to push a lim then i am not sure why you believe that to be the case.

it just so happens that we both find mundivore suspicious, but if i am the most obvious scum ever and your top scum read why would you want a counterwagon?

counterwagon means valuable info.

I don't disagree with that, I'm just having trouble following the logic of you being absolutely certain I am scum yet still trying to suggest you would vote on Mundivore if you had to unless I misunderstood what you were saying?

i'm not

certain

you're scum, I said like 95% I think. I'd even go down to 90% now because you just don't seem to be trying that hard to survive. I'm respectful enough to listen to what you say if it accords with parameters which I've set.

[Battle Mage]

If people want to start voting/compromising, I'd recommend Redados. I think UNOwen's reasons are legit and his lack of reasons and then backpedal on both of his scumreads on shelly and Noraa is shady.

you want to elim someone who isnt even here to defend themselves? hmmm

i think i agree with Norweg that this day just needs to end, but i also think an apathy consensus out of nowhere is the least likely method to result in a scum-elim.

[Battle Mage]

Not voting duppin. Your push makes him look even more towny to me. His tone is right and I agree with all of his points, although it's probably not difficult to be right in this case when you're refusing to try and convince people and asking them to blindly sheep you instead.

Well yeah, and that's why i unvoted Duppin.
It's clear BM is just way over his head here but can't back down because he's already gone down this path.
Pretty sure it's mostly his ego talking right now.

haha you can't resist can ya?

my townpool is completely absent from the game, and I'm surrounded by all my scum suspects, so I didn't really expect much else.

[Battle Mage]

I think if you want to complain about people not taking actual stances, you need to be more pro-active yourself and give people something to talk about other than "is duppin scum?". I have been very supportive of a counter-wagon, but it would need to be someone who I think has a good chance of flipping red.

I'm curious as to how this game got so long? Who benefits from that? my own musings...

sure thats valid criticism, but my point is more so that I am already on a counter wagon (plus), you disagree with the read which is fair but i dont think you can argue that i need to be pro active and push a counter wagon while also dismissing it all if you dont agree with the wagon itself. I am not saying I wish to push this wagon as of right now though, instead what i will say is that you also have to understand how annoying it is to have someone try to force a lim on you by claming he can confirm himself as pr and is willing to trade himself and nothing else

i think its fine for me to suggest you come up with a viable alternative to your elim.

i think so too, but i dont think its fine to claim i am not doing so just because you disagree with the read. i dont trust you or have faith in your reads, yet you also claim you are only willing to entertain a counter wagon if it is on one of your own reads which obviously makes sense, but that does not mean i dont want to lim someone else. I also think its odd for you to suggest that it is defeatist of me not to propose anotehr wagon i mean i suppose it could be, but i think its rather obvious that i am actually trying to put in an effort and if you think it makes more sense for me to scum to go on a rant instead of trying to push a lim then i am not sure why you believe that to be the case.

it just so happens that we both find mundivore suspicious, but if i am the most obvious scum ever and your top scum read why would you want a counterwagon?

counterwagon means valuable info.

I don't disagree with that, I'm just having trouble following the logic of you being absolutely certain I am scum yet still trying to suggest you would vote on Mundivore if you had to unless I misunderstood what you were saying?

i'm not

certain

you're scum, I said like 95% I think. I'd even go down to 90% now because you just don't seem to be trying that hard to survive. I'm respectful enough to listen to what you say if it accords with parameters which I've set.

not really relevant but this is the third 90% scumread on me this game, not sure whats about with the 90%

anyway you certainly come across that way. its difficult for me to address your read though since you havent explained why you think so

we're going round in circles dude. for goodness sake, let's just elim someone and move on with our lives. inevitably it won't be anyone i want to elim, since all the active players are also the scummiest.

[Battle Mage]

i think anyone looking desperately at me to make a case for them, should be considered as scummy. especially in a world where duppin is town. however, duppin is ignoring the behaviour of those around him, to focus on the lurkers. no bueno.

[Battle Mage]

i think anyone looking desperately at me to make a case for them, should be considered as scummy. especially in a world where duppin is town. however, duppin is ignoring the behaviour of those around him, to focus on the lurkers. no bueno.

what makes you think I am ignoring them? I believe hectic, bugspray and UNOwen are all very town town. I do believe Norwee is town but I am a bit concerned about some of his recent posts.
I think it's reasonable to claim I am ignoring them just because I have a different read than you.

no, i dont think its reasonable to say:

"I'm town, and I read them town, and am actively turning a blind eye even when they act scummy"

your lack of progression does not feel genuine to me. Town-duppin would be looking at everything going on, rather than simply focussing 100% on defending himself and then going with a half-assed elim on somebody he has barely commented on for the last 5 pages.

[Battle Mage]

i think it is very unreasonable for you to expect me to properly evaluate everything going on and mention every single player and my read progression on them during the middle of our discussion where you are tunneling me and pushing what i feel is a incredibly unjustified read on me while giving me the impression you are trying to force the mislim by claiming to be a pr and saying you are willing to trade

i disagree, i think continually reverting back to repeating yourself on this is more scumlean, when you could be pushing someone you suspect. Even after prompting you're still obsessing over what i think about you. are you worried about pushing on somebody and alienating them into targetting you too?

[Battle Mage]

cheap pagetop really

[Battle Mage]

BM claimed vt then a pr
wtf

you are never happy lol

[Battle Mage]

Imma be off at a lake most of the morning so dont expect my vote to change

i dont even know who you're voting for? me?

[Battle Mage]

yeah because i really care about getting pagetop

chill man, i just wanted it for myself

damn, the stress in this game.

[Battle Mage]

also can I formally request a DOC PROTECT tonight please?

thanks

[Battle Mage]

Imma be off at a lake most of the morning so dont expect my vote to change

If I die tonight, this one is lockscum btw

[Battle Mage]

hold up when did bm claim a confirmable pr?
I skimmed at saw a post that was like "I'm a pr but I aint telling u which one" which kinda made me think scum!BM/Saudade didn't want to get cc'ed by randomly claiming

im fairly sure even when I actually flip town, you'll still be arguing I'm scum.

[Battle Mage]

BM couldn't care less @Taylor. He clearly saw it as he even responded to my posts this morning

i did respond, but you didnt read.

[Battle Mage]

BM barges in and drops a shit case and claims vt. Then under pressure he claims a "confirmable pr" and starts OMGUSing me and provoking Norwee. He's literally just trying to get us confused while the deadline is there to either get a mislim or a no lim

i'm going to assume you're just trolling me now

literally all you seem to do is say "BM did this..it must be scummy!"

I have no idea why you're saying I OMGUSed you. I've said since the very beginning I think you are surefire town, and I've never wavered from it. No matter my opinion on you as a player, I can still make an objective assessment of your alignment. It's also funny you now say I'm scummy for OMGUSing you, when:

A. I didn't do anything remotely close to this.
B. You earlier called me scummy for saying you were town, which is like the opposite.

Short-sighted, and in places demonstrably false, analysis from you here.

[Battle Mage]

when I conftown can I actually get some order here, and some traction behind a duppin elim?

and how will you confirm yourself as town as a VT?

when I conftown can I actually get some order here, and some traction behind a duppin elim?

I'd only consider anything you say if you'd stop it with the laughing emojis.

Talk to Hectic, he insisted I use them.

Town, in all respects, get your proverbial together.

i have my proverbs in order

taylor, it's bad enough i have to deal with noraa screaming into the abyss. can you cut me some slack?

[Battle Mage]

i tried to case duppin, but too many scummy posts to count. like, read his bloody ISO for goodness sake. If you can't see

duppin is obvscum

, no amount of coaching from me is gonna help you like every post oozes it.

i'll be honest scumtells and a couple other randoms

i believe he said he was from another site but yes i think it is fairly obvious it is an alt and most likely someone from MS, but i dont think that is a reason for me to be more open to the idea of selfvoting

to be honest

I'm semi-upset that we're on page 15 and it feels like we just left RVS. Not cool.

i have to admit

that i really dislike this post. also credited Shelly for finally moving the game out of rvs in 154, i can appreciate the fact that perhaps the game didn't move in the direction you wanted but yeah.
overall you come across as really careful to me which i find suspicious

hm

I am going to be honest

Noraa, if you are town you are mislynch bait.

60% of your posts are fluff and the rest of your play is just reactionary which I'd normally consider to be a scumtell. You're not really doing anything proactive whatsoever, the readlist you just gave before gives the impression you're not really trying to figure out peoples alignment (like mixing me and bugspray up at this point is really weird to me). It doesnt really feel like youre putting in an effort to solve peoples alignment, however I am not convinced you are scum at all as this could indeed just come from a new player as well but yea if you are town then I sincerely hope you can be a bit more proactive

will tentatively jump on duppin wagon since after revisiting their ISO didn’t look very good. they’re a big null and I want to pressure them

your progression on me is really difficult to follow

to be honest

, but i will bite. Why do you think my ISO looks bad?

jester + duppin role fishing scum?

I explicitly softed hard that I was an Informed Townie to find those ROLEFISHERS

in all honestness it’s just a play style choice. jesters right, im trying to be more assertive to push my reads harder and be more convincing as town?

no matter what your alignment is I really think you need to drop the role fishing angle because no one talked about roles until you brought it up the second time i asked you if you were going to follow up on your statement since you said you would do so. you were the first and only one to indirectly paint yourself as a role, i have not asked for your role at any point all I did was ask you if you were going to follow up on your claim saying that your confidence had nothing to do with your alignment which to me indicated that it had nothing to do with your role either, so i have no idea how you could reach the conclusion it could be rolefishing the second time

to be honest

.

oh you said it was a playstyle choice. if that is the case then I think this was a weird play

to be honest

honestly i would

still like to hear from mundivore and plus before hammering

tayl0r i just read your claim and while i am not entirely sure i believe it, it is definitely enough for me to not want to lim you. would you still like me to respond to your posts?

yuck, keeping your options open to elim a town PR? gross

i have no intention of quickhammering, ill respond to all of your posts as soon as possible probably in 30 min or so

LAMIST

by the way

i genuinely think

the spam in this game has been a bit too much but perhaps thats just me, but keep in mind this is with 1 player being vl/a, 1 replacement and 1 slot still waiting to be replaced

I decided to go ISO Jester one more time.
I do

actually

believe he is town. I absolutely hate his self voting and I hope he stops doing it, but I am not interested in creating unnecessary distractions by pushing a policy lynch apparently no one else agrees with when I believe the player is most likely town.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Saduade

oh thats tempting actually

This case is terrible. Ur literally attacking someones vocabulary bank. wtf.

You are in no position to judge the quality of a case. Firstly because I've never seen you give a case on any scum ever. And I've never seen you give a credible case on anybody either. Your current case on me is literally, let's assume BM is scum, and then argue that everything he does is scummy. Do you really not understand how fundamentally pointless that is? especially when you have no chance of mis-elimming me?

I would love to see you actually have some valuable independent thought of your own, and see you try and play towards a town wincon.

[Battle Mage]

also noraa, have you ever considered toning down the profanity?

Can you consider not provoking and making everyone mad?

lol it's mafia babe. you call everything provoking, when in fact, it's just...communicating. Tip: Even if you don't like something, you can express that in a way which avoids excessive swear words.

He already gave u a readlist and it was hot garbage with zero reasons to justify anything. Unlike plus, he is not plusy or LHF. His dang game age is older than anyone here. He can do better. And now I think that slots scum.

I

think

hope there are people in this game older than 13...

Although I'm not sure why that matters.

Maybe you should take heed, and defer to my wisdom and experience a bit. I am old and know many things.

Also, be nice - I'm a new replacement, a little welcome wouldn't go amiss!?

That was a typo. All I meant to say is that ur game age is older than everyone else's game age. Scums don't deserve welcomes.

I'm not scum though. I'm conftown. Hello!?

[Battle Mage]

why is it not logical to point out inconsistencies in Norway’s logic? their point is that Norways claim didn’t prove anything and therefore it was a bad claim and it might come from scum trying to shade Taylor

well put

I literally ended up dying later than u. shows how bad ur busses r. maybe u have failed bussing so much that u've decided to change it up. who knows?

flippin 'eck

this is how you talk to your friends!?

Don't provoke me here. Shelly and I are friends and how we act in game means nothing. Please mind your own business and don't try to make me feel like a bad friend.

I call it as I see it. You were being rude and disrespectful to her, and I called you out. Suck it up.

why is it not logical to point out inconsistencies in Norway’s logic? their point is that Norways claim didn’t prove anything and therefore it was a bad claim and it might come from scum trying to shade Taylor

this logic is terrible. Norwees claim does prove things. 1) it gives us setup info that we would never get if norwee died day 1 or night 1, 2) it would've gotten some sort of scummy reaction out of Taylor if she was scum

number 2 made me groan....

1. is fair, although that doesn't explain why he chose to claim THEN. It's a surprising argument for you to make, given you were previously lamenting the fact 2 town PRs had outted. Yet you defend Norweg's claim even though he didn't really need to make it then.

Eh, I don't feel strongly about any of it, but I think your points here are pretty weak.

Norwee has an informative role. The only benefit that can give town is setup info. Ofc its right to give it to us day 1.

Are you sure you don't want to elim him though? that is your approach with other claimed town PRs?

For info, it's a bad claim because it didnt give any useful info, and told scum what Norweg's role was. He had next-to-no chance of being NKed so he had no reason to claim when he did - town would have got that information eventually. It may be a fakeclaim though which would make more sense. If you're townreading Norweg, that makes it more likely he is scum.

[Battle Mage]

And I think you're speaking for yourself in terms of talking a bunch of shit. I think in our last game you got elimmed Day 1 for it?

The stats don't lie.

No idea what you are talking about.
Are you just going to follow some stats instead of genuinely scum hunting?

Haha I can link the game if you want, but don't want to embarrass you. Maybe don't throw stones at me from your glass house eh?

No idea what you're talking about re: me following stats instead of scumhunting. The stats were about me and you - I'm not pushing to eliminate either of us today, luckily for you.

I'm scumhunting all the way baby. Duppin it is. My gut doesn't lie!

Why are you provoking Norwee?

keep trolling dude, it's too funny

And bringing up past games to shade me and explain that my suspicion of you is not genuine but just emotional, it's dirty play.

This is exactly what I mean.

Of course you can relate to this, because you do exactly the same thing. You don't scumhunt, you just relentlessly target somebody regardless of their likely alignment, because you're grumpy that they told you it like it is. There is a difference though - Norweg is just about able to put his personal feelings aside in order to play to a town wincon. You could definitely learn something from him.

If anyone's wondering why I am on unusually low-effort this game, it's partly because I know what I'm up against. So baad. And yet, oddly I don't see anyone shading you for not having a case on anybody? I guess I'm held to a higher standard which is nice

Anyway, I think that's me checking out for the day. To summarise:

Duppin is scum.
We flip Duppin today.
I don't mind taking full responsibility if he flips town - you can flip me tomorrow.

I'll likely be around a bit to claim if I get run up.

Such an irresponsible way to play. I dont think ur a pr.

Unsurprisingly Norra, you're wrong again.

And it's also not irresponsible, but I'm not going to waste my time explaining why. As a general rule, assume that if you typed it, it's probably incorrect.

[Battle Mage]

BM you seem to think you are so much better than Noraa because of your join date, but honestly if i'm considering this from the perspective of you both being town. I think she has 10 times better reads than you.
Honestly, it's ridiculous.
Honestly.

Man this game has gone off the rails. Norra has 1 read? me being scum. which is wrong, as you know. I have several reads, all of which could still theoretically be right. From your own perspective, your post above is nonsense.

And yes, in fairness I do think from a gameplay perspective Noraa is currently the worst player I've ever seen on this site. Although she isn't the least pleasant.

And you? well your reads havent been so hot this game have they? by your own admission, you said earlier that all of your suspects were town PRs.

Again mate, people in glass houses

[Battle Mage]

lol it's mafia babe. you call everything provoking, when in fact, it's just...communicating. Tip: Even if you don't like something, you can express that in a way which avoids excessive swear words.

To be honest, your condescending behavior really makes me puke.
And now you think you're above everyone else because you don't use swear words. My word.
That is honestly.... just honest to god... pretty messed up there guy.

i'm pleased i was able to invoke such a reaction, as you are such a lovely chap to me

You bring it on yourself though, by 'provoking' me with silly claims which you can't back up, and then leave you feeling embarrassed.

[Battle Mage]

I've decided, there are too many weaker players to risk not fully claiming at this point, as I could get elimmed for the lols at any moment. Plus when i started typing this, I was aiming for a sweet pagetop.

I am hereby claiming a

confirmable town power role

. I.e. I can mechanically confirm myself as town.

So yeah, elimming me today would be....very dumb.

You dont claim a certain role. How u expect us to believe this? It just seems like scum doesn't wanna get cc'ed or limmed so they thought up some terrible plan.

excellent, pagetop secured.

Also, nice work Noraa and Norweg for outting another PR. I'm not salty though.

AtE. wtf.[/qupte]

AtE? For what purpose? Take the next step and explain why you think that is scummy/townie.

I didn't properly case duppin to be fair, as it's really so obvious. there's just no point. once the majority of players show up, i'm pretty sure we can get some momentum there.

......I hate this.

I thought you'd love it? Or at least be able to relate to it, as it's been your stance on me right?

pretty scummy my dude.

YOUR CASE IS SHIT

Ah the truth

sheeping norweg i see.

Not voting duppin. Your push makes him look even more towny to me. His tone is right and I agree with all of his points, although it's probably not difficult to be right in this case when you're refusing to try and convince people and asking them to blindly sheep you instead.

I agree. Duppin is seeming more and more town as BM just randomly attacks him and he calmly responds.

This makes me more convinced Duppin is scum after all.

[Battle Mage]

Norra has 1 read? me being scum. which is wrong, as you know. I have several reads, all of which could still theoretically be right.

Now that's just plain wrong.
Noraa has more reads even though they are voting you currently.
And you seem to have no reads because you've literally been told your case on Duppin makes zero sense and yet you don't explain why you're so sure of it other than "read his ISO" which is a cop-out.

i've only seen her comment on me through a narrow lens since i joined the game. Maybe you can tell me, and her, what her other reads are?

Seriously dude, you defending this stuff is not good for her long term development. It's making me a lil queasy

Although I like the idea you could become a hydra of Nor-Nor or something - the tunnel-BM express

[Battle Mage]

This makes me more convinced Duppin is scum after all.

So are you the one trolling now? Why would that post make you more sure about Duppin being scum? I thought you claimed Noraa was like your strongest townread, does being told your read is wrong by your main townread even more resolute about your main scumread?

man I'm right, you're wrong, and I legit don't care about your funny games.

I do think Noraa is highly likely to be town, and no I don't trust her reads even slightly. I haven't seen her correctly read anyone. I've barely seen any evidence of her correctly interpretting even the most innocuous and non-AI things. It's like being in opposite world at times.

[Battle Mage]

I've decided, there are too many weaker players to risk not fully claiming at this point, as I could get elimmed for the lols at any moment. Plus when i started typing this, I was aiming for a sweet pagetop.

I am hereby claiming a

confirmable town power role

. I.e. I can mechanically confirm myself as town.

So yeah, elimming me today would be....very dumb.

[Battle Mage]

I'll VOTE: Norweg as in the unlikely event I survive the night, I'd rather the game was a bit more pleasant, especially if we're going another 100 pages. And it's probably in Noraa's best interests too.

[Battle Mage]

Although I like the idea you could become a hydra of Nor-Nor or something - the tunnel-BM express

You know i'm not voting you right now. So saying i'm tunneling is not really correct.
I'm just explaining all the ways you are annoying to me.
Think of it as a "reason-you-suck" speech.

you admitted you are only not voting for me because of my claim. Hence, your default was tunnelling me.

anyway there's no need to be personal mate! Let's keep it friendly!

I will say in my defence, I don't suck though. I'm very good at obvtowning (the only reason it hasnt worked out here is due to you and nora having personal issues). I'm unbeaten as scum all year. My town record is patchy - sometimes bad, sometimes good. The most important thing is I try hard to improve, and I try to help others improve too.

You don't suck either. You've lost every game we played together, but I still don't think you suck. <3

[Battle Mage]

I'll VOTE: Norweg as in the unlikely event I survive the night, I'd rather the game was a bit more pleasant, especially if we're going another 100 pages. And it's probably in Noraa's best interests too.

Because i'm scum or because you just want me to stop questioning you?
I thought you were talking about how important it was to put a wall between the personal and wincon. Isn't this an hypocritical vote?

You could be scum, but also you're making me feel really sad and insecure on a personal level. I'm sure you will not see it that way though, so my opinion doesn't matter.

[Battle Mage]

You don't suck either. You've lost every game we played together, but I still don't think you suck. <3

You know that's not even true.
We just played Noir and we both won there as town.

ah i forgot you were in Noir. Nice job!

[Battle Mage]

I think to sum up, the key things for me to emphasise in this game are:

1. Let's try to keep it fun and chill - it's a Morning Tweet game for goodness sake.

2. I am a confirmable town PR - do not day-elim me, please do protect me tonight if you are a doc.

3. Let's try and actually elim somebody before the deadline.

[Battle Mage]

I'll VOTE: Norweg as in the unlikely event I survive the night, I'd rather the game was a bit more pleasant, especially if we're going another 100 pages. And it's probably in Noraa's best interests too.

Because i'm scum or because you just want me to stop questioning you?
I thought you were talking about how important it was to put a wall between the personal and wincon. Isn't this an hypocritical vote?

You could be scum, but also you're making me feel really sad and insecure on a personal level. I'm sure you will not see it that way though, so my opinion doesn't matter.

Sure i can. If you feel that way i will stop.
I thought you literally didn't care with the way you keep spamming those laughing emojis.

ok peace dude. we don't have to love each other, but we can be civil i think.

[Battle Mage]

I think to sum up, the key things for me to emphasise in this game are:

1. Let's try to keep it fun and chill - it's a Morning Tweet game for goodness sake.

2. I am a confirmable town PR - do not day-elim me, please do protect me tonight if you are a doc.

3. Let's try and actually elim somebody before the deadline.

[Battle Mage]

damnit MT, you stole my pagetop

[Battle Mage]

Let's try and actually elim somebody before the deadline.

Ok, vote someone that's more likely to gain consensus then.
We've already established Duppin is an controversial vote that's unlikely to gain enough support to become the elimination today.

I'm pretty ambivalent if it's outside of my suspect list. I'll hammer anyone to get it over the line. This day has gone on way too long, for way too little value. Exhausting, and I've only been here for a small proportion of it.

[Battle Mage]

Battle mage are you able to expand on point 2? brb isoing you

i won't, i'm afraid, no.

[Battle Mage]

did i claim yet? if not, i'm a VT

i will admit, that was not correct.

[Battle Mage]

I didn't ask if you would I asked if you could.

ah, then yes I could, ofc!

[Battle Mage]

in fact, i inevitably will at some stage, if i dont die.

[Battle Mage]

what's that mean?

[Battle Mage]

Battle mage why would you not if you could?

because it would only help scum.

[Battle Mage]

this is some interesting rolefishing you've got going on here pal!

[Battle Mage]

is making me claim twice not enough for you!?

[Battle Mage]

what's that mean?

My title went from Jack of all trades to "Survivor"
(10000 posts or more)

ah congrats! What do I get after jester? and how many posts do i need?

[Battle Mage]

what's that mean?

My title went from Jack of all trades to "Survivor"
(10000 posts or more)

ah congrats! What do I get after jester? and how many posts do i need?

Pretty sure you've got an custom title. That won't change unless if you ask mod to remove it, then you'll go back to survivor.
Survivor is the last rank.

hmm...

Mod

can you please remove my title?

[Battle Mage]

i feel like survivor is more apt than jester.

[Battle Mage]

ah well we'll see i guess. what do you think of bugspray on this page?

[Battle Mage]

I believe battle mage is lying scum
VOTE: battle mage

oh i missed that! how come?

[Battle Mage]

i feel like survivor is more apt than jester.

Here's what i found in the mafia wiki:

"Battle Mage - Jester
Refers to how early in his heyday his playstyle saw him lynched early and often."

hey

it's true....

Also I dont know how to update my wiki, and it bugs me often.

[Battle Mage]

alright I'll VOTE: Redados

[Battle Mage]

I can't believe I replaced into this game, there's no actual case on me, I've claimed a confirmable town PR, and at least 2 players still openly claim I should be day-elimmed.

tell me what the world is coming to!?

[Battle Mage]

Either Morning Tweet both discovered a way for there to be a mechanically confirmable tpr that by claiming day 1 would give scum an advantatage and then decided that she would use it in a game of mafia or battle mage is lying.
I believe that this situation calls for occam's razor.

Erm, it's basically the former, yes. I'm baffled that you think that's unlikely. Morning Tweet is an experienced player, and you don't have to be that experienced to know there are several roles which fit that bill.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Bugspray

VOTE: bugspray

yeah, i mean open-wolfing right?

[Battle Mage]

norwee bm scum team

Lol.
This is some really epic distancing you seem to beleive we've done here.

i'm sure we would have done exactly that if we were scum together.

[Battle Mage]

well im resigned somewhat to the fact that if my initial scumreads were right, town is basically doomed, as there are not enough strong players to actually elim scum.

i did try, more than others anyway....

let's just go with the flow

[Battle Mage]

i just ISO'd bugspray. he was literally self-voting before he just showed up. if that's the town we have, God save us.

[Battle Mage]

my pronouns are they/them and if you look at it you can understand the context

are you serious!?!?

[Battle Mage]

well im resigned somewhat to the fact that if my initial scumreads were right, town is basically doomed, as there are not enough strong players to actually elim scum.

i did try, more than others anyway....

let's just go with the flow

WTF AtE.
ur literally the most antitown player I've seen

you continue to surprise me.

i must go and read your newbie games sometime.

[Battle Mage]

I'll VOTE: Norweg as in the unlikely event I survive the night, I'd rather the game was a bit more pleasant, especially if we're going another 100 pages. And it's probably in Noraa's best interests too.

Don't attack people stop. If anyone has an unpleasant playstyle, it isn't norwee.

Let's try and actually elim somebody before the deadline.

Ok, vote someone that's more likely to gain consensus then.
We've already established Duppin is an controversial vote that's unlikely to gain enough support to become the elimination today.

The fact that BM drops the SR on duppin really fast after this is concerning.

did i claim yet? if not, i'm a VT

i will admit, that was not correct.

Why'd you come in and lie?

is making me claim twice not enough for you!?

No one told u to fucking claim. U were at like E-5 or some other shitty not close to lim number and u just randomly claim a mystery pr. What are we supposed to think?

ah well we'll see i guess. what do you think of bugspray on this page?

I want an explanation from bugs.

alright I'll VOTE: Redados

Jumping on a big wagon.

VOTE: Bugspray

VOTE: bugspray

yeah, i mean open-wolfing right?

Jumping to another big wagon and OMGUSing.
VOTE: BM
I bet ur scum at this point

dude you were already voting for me, and you already betted I was scum!

do you truly believe this is scumhunting?

[Battle Mage]

my pronouns are they/them and if you look at it you can understand the context

are you serious!?!?

read my fucking signature

funny enough, i didnt see anything in your "fucking signature" about self-voting mid-way through Day 1, so what's the context?!

[Battle Mage]

Jesus Bugspray, it's the internet. You can't expect everyone to remember pronouns all the time.
A lot of people accidentally call me Norwegiangay too when i argue politics with them. I'm sure it's just an accident though.

good posting

[Battle Mage]

I'll VOTE: Norweg as in the unlikely event I survive the night, I'd rather the game was a bit more pleasant, especially if we're going another 100 pages. And it's probably in Noraa's best interests too.

Don't attack people stop. If anyone has an unpleasant playstyle, it isn't norwee.

I think everyone here is lovely, there's no attacking!

Let's try and actually elim somebody before the deadline.

Ok, vote someone that's more likely to gain consensus then.
We've already established Duppin is an controversial vote that's unlikely to gain enough support to become the elimination today.

The fact that BM drops the SR on duppin really fast after this is concerning.

Concerning eh? Don't tell Hectic that!

Just to inform you though, I didn't "drop the SR", I just moved my vote. I am very flexible when needed.

is making me claim twice not enough for you!?

No one told u to jolly well claim. U were at like E-5 or some other poopy not close to lim number and u just randomly claim a mystery pr. What are we supposed to think?

You're supposed to think "oh man, I'm so dumb, BM was obvtown, and now I should focus on elimming scum with the limited time we have left". I claimed early precisely to avoid what you're doing now, which is wasting time and energy trying to elim me when that's:

A. completely, unambiguously, anti-town.
B. pointless and just going to lead to no-elim.

Norweg might not like it, but I'm going to start censoring you when you swear at me.

alright I'll VOTE: Redados

Jumping on a big wagon.

Commentary appreciated!

VOTE: Bugspray

VOTE: bugspray

yeah, i mean open-wolfing right?

Jumping to another big wagon and OMGUSing.
VOTE: BM
I bet ur scum at this point

Big wagon? It had either 1 or 2 votes total before I joined it.

What would be amazing though, is if you could give me an example of hypothetical BM-behaviours which you would conclude are not scummy? as currently you just state everything i did, and say it's scummy, even if it isn't consistent.

[Battle Mage]

ok bm im convinced lets get noraa VOTE: noraa

sorry dude noraa is town...unfortunately.

[Battle Mage]

although to be clear, if it's a choice between flipping her and no-flip, I'll do it on a policy basis.

[Battle Mage]

ok bm im convinced lets get noraa VOTE: noraa

sorry dude noraa is town...unfortunately.

apologies if "dude" doesn't fit with your pronouns btw, I don't even know.

[Battle Mage]

my pronouns are they/them and if you look at it you can understand the context

are you serious!?!?

read my fucking signature

funny enough, i didnt see anything in your "fucking signature" about self-voting mid-way through Day 1, so what's the context?!

bugspray, you ignored this btw

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: bm

oh wow, that was a fleeting trip over to Noraa wasn't it?

[Battle Mage]

in a funny way, if Bugspray is scum, it was almost worth waiting until page 111 to end the day.

[Battle Mage]

Pls don't get distracted by bugspray. Yes, they look like obvscum, but again; this is just standard stuff for their town game and they're launched day 1 more often than they're not. They're very likely town this game for their early reads and their recounting of notes/thoughts a day or two ago.

please can we eliminate

someone

Hectic?

[Battle Mage]

ok bm im convinced lets get noraa VOTE: noraa

wtf

ok bm im convinced lets get noraa VOTE: noraa

sorry dude noraa is town...unfortunately.

I don't want ur stupid ass town pass. Im not getting pocketed. If you TR me, get a damn reason.

I have a reason. And I'm afraid you don't have a choice about my reads. If you think that means you're pocketed, fair enough.

VOTE: bm

WTF seriously/

I know right!

Pls don't get distracted by bugspray. Yes, they look like obvscum, but again; this is just standard stuff for their town game and they're launched day 1 more often than they're not. They're very likely town this game for their early reads and their recounting of notes/thoughts a day or two ago.

Im having a hard time not calling bugs scum rn hectic. I really am. It's a hot struggle.

don't be distracted, focus on your real prize!

[Battle Mage]

Please be nice to each other. That is all I ask. (-ω-)

yes ma'am!

[Battle Mage]

Im having a hard time not calling bugs scum rn hectic. I really am. It's a hot struggle.

I know, I know, but trust me on this one. I've played like 10 games with bugspray at this point and they really are hot launchbait. This is maybe the 2nd towniest they've ever been.

what is it with y'all and saying things are hot?

[Battle Mage]

Im having a hard time not calling bugs scum rn hectic. I really am. It's a hot struggle.

I know, I know, but trust me on this one. I've played like 10 games with bugspray at this point and they really are hot launchbait. This is maybe the 2nd towniest they've ever been.

I don't wanna trust u tho cuz my gut is screaming for a BM or bugs lim today. It literally is screaming and throwing a tantrum at the moment.

that's literally concerning, and you should literally seek some help for that.

I literally will be so upset if we lim outside of {BM, bugs} today.
Im not joking. I will throw a hot fit about it post game especially if we end up hitting a townie instead

are you actually scum then?? limming me is so anti-town it's unreal. being upset if you don't throw the game, no bueno.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if both were scum and my reads r normally hot garbage.

can i check, is 'hot garbage' good or bad?

[Battle Mage]

ah, and i missed the "honestly" from Nora! I'm getting sloppy...

[Battle Mage]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if both were scum and my reads r normally hot garbage.

how surprised would you be if I was town?

[Battle Mage]

I'll catch up on the rest later - you guys post too fast.

[Battle Mage]

hot is a great term I love it

seriously though - is hot garbage good or bad? I'm trying to learn to speak 'Noraa'.

[Battle Mage]

You'd understand if you had my knowledge

I laughed so hard at this. What a put down.

[Battle Mage]

hot is a great term I love it

seriously though - is hot garbage good or bad? I'm trying to learn to speak 'Noraa'.

I don't want you talking like me. It'll ruin the fun of how much I love the way I talk.

no, but given all of your posts are about me somehow, it probably helps if I understand them. It may help me to reciprocate feelings with you more easily. <3

[Battle Mage]

Im having a hard time not calling bugs scum rn hectic. I really am. It's a hot struggle.

I know, I know, but trust me on this one. I've played like 10 games with bugspray at this point and they really are hot launchbait. This is maybe the 2nd towniest they've ever been.

I don't wanna trust u tho cuz my gut is screaming for a BM or bugs lim today. It literally is screaming and throwing a tantrum at the moment.

that's literally concerning, and you should literally seek some help for that.

I literally will be so upset if we lim outside of {BM, bugs} today.
Im not joking. I will throw a hot fit about it post game especially if we end up hitting a townie instead

are you actually scum then?? limming me is so anti-town it's unreal. being upset if you don't throw the game, no bueno.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if both were scum and my reads r normally hot garbage.

can i check, is 'hot garbage' good or bad?

Mod just told you to be nice and you replied yes ma'am. I don't need to "seek some help"
Now ur taking back the free town pass and setting up a OMGUS.
BM is scum. I'm calling it.

"yes ma'am" counts as being nice! I love Morning Tweet!

The seeking help comment was in reference to you saying your guts were literally exploding or something random. It was a joke about your presumed misuse of the word "literally". It was not a personal slight in the least. It's forum mafia, I think a bit of wordplay is within tolerance levels!

As for me being scum, well....I think you already called it? And just to helpfully reiterate, you are very wrong.

[Battle Mage]

Imma be off at a lake most of the morning so dont expect my vote to change

If I die tonight, this one is lockscum btw

Why would you dying change your read on Noraa? You've stated many times she's town outside of this post.

Would like you to address this, BM.

@BM:

Why'd you give up on pursuing duppin?

Respond to this when you're back,

Fire Sorcerer.

@Noraa:

What stops scum!Redados from admitting his read on you is all emotional if he can't substantiate it and people are pushing him for it?

Alright, I'm going back on my timeout chair.

You'd know the answers to these questions if you had my knowledge.

[Battle Mage]

I have a town lean on Redados and since Hectic thinks bugs isn't a good choice, I want BM.
I would've been fine with compromising bugs but since Hectic gave a fat NO, I want a BM lim

I think Hectic, rational chap he is, probably isn't supporting a BM elimination either. Just a thought...

[Battle Mage]

on a serious note, I will catch up on everything later. the pace of this game is hot garbage!!!

[Battle Mage]

Honestly, that's just honestly so annoying.
Honestly.

shhh norwee ur gonna get SRed for saying the terrible terrible h word *GASP*

its stupid that the word "honestly" is a scumtell in BM's lil reads book.

is this you being nice? Morning Tweet will be unimpressed.

the "honestly" thing...I mean, it has resulted in numerous scumflips. Despite all your supposed tells and diligent scumhunting, you haven't pinpointed scum once? I'd maybe cut you a bit of slack if bugs flips scum, but you backed down on that one rather easily.

As a courtesy, maybe before you keep knocking my scumhunting, try and actually make an effort to find scum in this game.

[Battle Mage]

BM claimed vt then a pr
wtf

Wonder if anyone else noticed this...

i'm certain everyone did, including me! What's your point though?

[Battle Mage]

I am hereby claiming a confirmable town power role. I.e. I can mechanically confirm myself as town.

Why is this a +town thing to do?

heh, cause I was just gonna get day-elimmed otherwise...

[Battle Mage]

I have a town lean on Redados and since Hectic thinks bugs isn't a good choice, I want BM.
I would've been fine with compromising bugs but since Hectic gave a fat NO, I want a BM lim

Way to dismiss my reads and pocket hectic all in the same post.

I think Hectic, rational chap he is, probably isn't supporting a BM elimination either. Just a thought...

on a serious note, I will catch up on everything later. the pace of this game is hot garbage!!!

no. just no. ur gonna ruin that word for me at this rate.

i think you have misunderstood the word "pocket" in a mafia context. i suspect i'm not the first person to tell you this.