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[Noraa]

goddamnit my wifi

[Noraa]

This is a point I've been trying to get across for an eternity and everyone ignored me except uno ;(

Your points were probably too small. I only read font that's size 140 or larger.

well then u've read nothing this entire game basically except for me saying my town game finished in huge font.

Even though i think i've been acting pretty townie.
I've identified a lot of town so far and a couple potential scums. And explained my reasoning.
Idk why you scumread me so hard based on that.

You see all this open wolfing shit isn't making sense to me bc Norwee seems town as hell. Straight up never seen someone townie. then again .... the majority of my finished games are scum games where I couldn't care less whether or not someone's towny sooooooooooo idk.

shelly i townlean you for now but I think you should know how I play, I'm prone to tunneling slots I think are scum. I really do think that your letting the fact that jackson went after you dictate your read on me

maybe my longterm omgus mindset is kinda colouring my read on you? I want to rethink your slot. You play like an enigma and I’m afraid you are LHF

plus is always a easy lim regardless of his alignment. I haven't caught too many scum pings so far so I think its just normal Plusiness here.

[Noraa]

Agreed that Redados and I are at a truce rn.

[Noraa]

After all the hissy fights cooled down, we gucci

[Noraa]

......right?

[Noraa]

Taylor I wouldn't be surprised at all if the answer was yes

[Noraa]

the TvS read is so weird to me on day 1. what makes you believe that discussion is more likely to be TvS? you said the same about me and tayl0rs discussion. Like I understand having an independent scumread on someone, but I am not sure I really follow the logic that any of these day 1 discussions are more likely to be town vs scum

I agree with this. Shelly comes across as the type of player who is willing to make these sorts of guesses based on intuition though.

So I see that shelly's post has caught lots of attention. Honestly, ngl it does seem a lil scummy but at the same time it also 100% seems like a shelly thing to do. Often times I think shelly is scum but then I'm very wrong and so its gotten to the point where I slightly zoom out and just accept that half the things she say are gonna sound scummy but its just playstyle. I personally don't think its AI but if u can come up with more stuff that doesn't sound like playstyle, I'm willing to listen.

[Noraa]

noraa, you were right on Taylor. Who's your current main scumread.

Norwee I don't have good reads lel just check out my first town game and u can tell. My scum team guess was two vanilla townies. I jailed two people who were both vanilla town. I never figured out who the first scum was until they claimed my role. The second scum I found using some Poe. Thats how bad I am at reads *facepalm*

For Taylor, it wasn't even I was right about her. Its more that I've been in many games with her and she always seems to rack up attention day 1 even as town so I don't really think that's AI. I think her vibe is basically the only thing that is somewhat easy to read. As town she's pretty aggressive and will get mad easily and that's what I saw here so I figured she was prolly town.

[Noraa]

......right?

[Noraa]

it would be so much nicer and easier to analyze this game if shelly and noraa didnt together make up over a third of all the posts dammit

It would also be nice if u had some actual reads + evidence to back any of them up.

it says im at 4 votes but theres only 3 names?

Fixed.

i have a solution

VOTE: plusjoyed

I dont like that you hop on the largest wagon with zero reason.

my initial scumreads from a glance, are:

Norweg
Hectic
Shelly

this is the shittiest SR list I've seen so far with two of the literal towniest damn players in it.

scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic

neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
4. PlusJOYED
6. davesaz
7. Tayl0r Swift
11. Redados
12. UNOwen

town-land
Noraa
Battle Mage

I dont want a free town pass. wtf.

did i claim yet? if not, i'm a VT

I hate this. VOTE: BM

scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic

neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
6. davesaz
11. Redados
12. UNOwen

town-land
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Noraa
Battle Mage

1) u just voted plus
2) Taylor claimed a pr so ur just trying to be safe

I was fine with Saudade. Bm is not doing Saudade's slot any justice if Saudade was town but now I'm convinced BM is scum.

[Noraa]

Saudade wagon where y'all at?

Lets lim this slot

[Noraa]

Uno compromise wagon on Saudade slot?
Hectic?
Norwee?
Redados?
Taylor?
Shelly?
@everyone?

[Noraa]

we need to get a full on wagon together asap.
BM is looking like the best choice rn imo

[Noraa]

He comes in votes the biggest wagon
buddies Taylor and tries to pocket me(we were both in his town reads with zero reason why)
then he jumps to the duppin wagon for zero reason. This also happens to be another major wagon rn.
He then starts TRing plus for ??? reasons
Then his SR is literally Hectic, Norwee, and Shelly
like wtf
two of the downiest players here and shelly, whose playstyle gets her killed day 1 just about everywhere

[Noraa]

Bm is the Saudade replacement, shelly

[Noraa]

SAUDADE WAGON WHERE YOU AT?

[Noraa]

YALL HAVE CONVINCED ME(not really I convinced myself)
but anyways. I am very sus of this slot rn

[Noraa]

Saudade lim today? anyone up for it?

Redados lim isn't gonna go thru bc most the stuff that happened there was us being salty.
Duppin is still pretty towny besides the fact that he can't back up some stuff
plus is just full of plusiness and not too scummy so far

Saudade lim is the answer to everyone's problems imo

[Noraa]

Not town lean

[Noraa]

scum lean is what I feel

[Noraa]

Eh if I SRed everyone that's reads didn't vibe with my reads, u would be my top SR

[Noraa]

So shush cuz thats not what's happening here

[Noraa]

Im not SRing him for not vibing with my reads
ur just randomly accusing
I stated clearly my reasoning

[Noraa]

No its stupid. Taylor fucking claimed. Why is she even in his reads?
He gave no reason to TR me. ZERO.

[Noraa]

We need a lim asap and the new replacement is just not hitting right.
I suggest a BM lim.
It's put together a bit roughly on my part but I think its better than all the other choices for today
If I'm wrong, fuck
but I think this ones likely right

[Noraa]

No there is zero reason. Ongoing game? thats otherwise known as a SHIT reason bc he doesn't know my alignment there so my play there has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

[Noraa]

Place your vote on Saudade

[Noraa]

No there is zero reason. Ongoing game? thats otherwise known as a SHIT reason bc he doesn't know my alignment there so my play there has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

can we not delve into that territory please

I want to her a full readslist from the BM slot before I reconsider anything

no stop coming up with a reason for him to TR me bc he has none

[Noraa]

He already gave u a readlist and it was hot garbage with zero reasons to justify anything. Unlike plus, he is not plusy or LHF. His dang game age is older than anyone here. He can do better. And now I think that slots scum.

[Noraa]

*anyone else's here

[Noraa]

2007 join date can equal to LHF. being experienced doesn’t mean you are always hard to lim

noraaaaaaaaa do you think everyone needs to justify themselves. sometimes reads are just reads and they’re correct

No. absolutely not.

[Noraa]

Ur not making any logical sense

[Noraa]

Reads need to be justified. We are not in rvs any longer. Two prs have outed. Town is already at a disadvantage and ur just gonna let some scum stroll in and drop some messy reads to confuse town more?

[Noraa]

2007 join date does not equal LHF.
lets not have a pointless argument about why BM isn't LHF
its clear asf that he isn't

[Noraa]

Im tired of this argument. stop. I won't agree with you no matter what you say so there's no point in this.

[Noraa]

duppin provides explanations at times and his SRs dont look like he pulled them out of his ass

[Noraa]

2 a's is enough
u can just go back to the SR group since I'm salty rn
its not a logical sus
this just feels like scum!shelly defending her partner

[Noraa]

sureeee -_____-

[Noraa]

I literally ended up dying later than u. shows how bad ur busses r. maybe u have failed bussing so much that u've decided to change it up. who knows?

[Noraa]

why is it not logical to point out inconsistencies in Norway’s logic? their point is that Norways claim didn’t prove anything and therefore it was a bad claim and it might come from scum trying to shade Taylor

this logic is terrible. Norwees claim does prove things. 1) it gives us setup info that we would never get if norwee died day 1 or night 1, 2) it would've gotten some sort of scummy reaction out of Taylor if she was scum

[Noraa]

BM claimed vt then a pr
wtf

[Noraa]

Imma be off at a lake most of the morning so dont expect my vote to change

[Noraa]

I'll catch up later

[Noraa]

hold up when did bm claim a confirmable pr?
I skimmed at saw a post that was like "I'm a pr but I aint telling u which one" which kinda made me think scum!BM/Saudade didn't want to get cc'ed by randomly claiming

[Noraa]

when I conftown can I actually get some order here, and some traction behind a duppin elim?

I'd only consider anything you say if you'd stop it with the laughing emojis.

Thank you Norwee. Literally thank you

i tried to case duppin, but too many scummy posts to count. like, read his bloody ISO for goodness sake. If you can't see

duppin is obvscum

, no amount of coaching from me is gonna help you like every post oozes it.

i'll be honest scumtells and a couple other randoms

i believe he said he was from another site but yes i think it is fairly obvious it is an alt and most likely someone from MS, but i dont think that is a reason for me to be more open to the idea of selfvoting

to be honest

I'm semi-upset that we're on page 15 and it feels like we just left RVS. Not cool.

i have to admit

that i really dislike this post. also credited Shelly for finally moving the game out of rvs in 154, i can appreciate the fact that perhaps the game didn't move in the direction you wanted but yeah.
overall you come across as really careful to me which i find suspicious

hm

I am going to be honest

Noraa, if you are town you are mislynch bait.

60% of your posts are fluff and the rest of your play is just reactionary which I'd normally consider to be a scumtell. You're not really doing anything proactive whatsoever, the readlist you just gave before gives the impression you're not really trying to figure out peoples alignment (like mixing me and bugspray up at this point is really weird to me). It doesnt really feel like youre putting in an effort to solve peoples alignment, however I am not convinced you are scum at all as this could indeed just come from a new player as well but yea if you are town then I sincerely hope you can be a bit more proactive

will tentatively jump on duppin wagon since after revisiting their ISO didn’t look very good. they’re a big null and I want to pressure them

your progression on me is really difficult to follow

to be honest

, but i will bite. Why do you think my ISO looks bad?

jester + duppin role fishing scum?

I explicitly softed hard that I was an Informed Townie to find those ROLEFISHERS

in all honestness it’s just a play style choice. jesters right, im trying to be more assertive to push my reads harder and be more convincing as town?

no matter what your alignment is I really think you need to drop the role fishing angle because no one talked about roles until you brought it up the second time i asked you if you were going to follow up on your statement since you said you would do so. you were the first and only one to indirectly paint yourself as a role, i have not asked for your role at any point all I did was ask you if you were going to follow up on your claim saying that your confidence had nothing to do with your alignment which to me indicated that it had nothing to do with your role either, so i have no idea how you could reach the conclusion it could be rolefishing the second time

to be honest

.

oh you said it was a playstyle choice. if that is the case then I think this was a weird play

to be honest

honestly i would

still like to hear from mundivore and plus before hammering

tayl0r i just read your claim and while i am not entirely sure i believe it, it is definitely enough for me to not want to lim you. would you still like me to respond to your posts?

yuck, keeping your options open to elim a town PR? gross

i have no intention of quickhammering, ill respond to all of your posts as soon as possible probably in 30 min or so

LAMIST

by the way

i genuinely think

the spam in this game has been a bit too much but perhaps thats just me, but keep in mind this is with 1 player being vl/a, 1 replacement and 1 slot still waiting to be replaced

I decided to go ISO Jester one more time.
I do

actually

believe he is town. I absolutely hate his self voting and I hope he stops doing it, but I am not interested in creating unnecessary distractions by pushing a policy lynch apparently no one else agrees with when I believe the player is most likely town.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Saduade

oh thats tempting actually

This case is terrible. Ur literally attacking someones vocabulary bank. wtf.

also noraa, have you ever considered toning down the profanity?

Can you consider not provoking and making everyone mad?

He already gave u a readlist and it was hot garbage with zero reasons to justify anything. Unlike plus, he is not plusy or LHF. His dang game age is older than anyone here. He can do better. And now I think that slots scum.

I

think

hope there are people in this game older than 13...

Although I'm not sure why that matters.

Maybe you should take heed, and defer to my wisdom and experience a bit. I am old and know many things.

Also, be nice - I'm a new replacement, a little welcome wouldn't go amiss!?

That was a typo. All I meant to say is that ur game age is older than everyone else's game age. Scums don't deserve welcomes.

why is it not logical to point out inconsistencies in Norway’s logic? their point is that Norways claim didn’t prove anything and therefore it was a bad claim and it might come from scum trying to shade Taylor

well put

I literally ended up dying later than u. shows how bad ur busses r. maybe u have failed bussing so much that u've decided to change it up. who knows?

flippin 'eck

this is how you talk to your friends!?

Don't provoke me here. Shelly and I are friends and how we act in game means nothing. Please mind your own business and don't try to make me feel like a bad friend.

why is it not logical to point out inconsistencies in Norway’s logic? their point is that Norways claim didn’t prove anything and therefore it was a bad claim and it might come from scum trying to shade Taylor

this logic is terrible. Norwees claim does prove things. 1) it gives us setup info that we would never get if norwee died day 1 or night 1, 2) it would've gotten some sort of scummy reaction out of Taylor if she was scum

number 2 made me groan....

1. is fair, although that doesn't explain why he chose to claim THEN. It's a surprising argument for you to make, given you were previously lamenting the fact 2 town PRs had outted. Yet you defend Norweg's claim even though he didn't really need to make it then.

Eh, I don't feel strongly about any of it, but I think your points here are pretty weak.

Norwee has an informative role. The only benefit that can give town is setup info. Ofc its right to give it to us day 1.

And I think you're speaking for yourself in terms of talking a bunch of shit. I think in our last game you got elimmed Day 1 for it?

The stats don't lie.

No idea what you are talking about.
Are you just going to follow some stats instead of genuinely scum hunting?

Haha I can link the game if you want, but don't want to embarrass you. Maybe don't throw stones at me from your glass house eh?

No idea what you're talking about re: me following stats instead of scumhunting. The stats were about me and you - I'm not pushing to eliminate either of us today, luckily for you.

I'm scumhunting all the way baby. Duppin it is. My gut doesn't lie!

Why are you provoking Norwee?

And bringing up past games to shade me and explain that my suspicion of you is not genuine but just emotional, it's dirty play.

This is exactly what I mean.

Anyway, I think that's me checking out for the day. To summarise:

Duppin is scum.
We flip Duppin today.
I don't mind taking full responsibility if he flips town - you can flip me tomorrow.

I'll likely be around a bit to claim if I get run up.

Such an irresponsible way to play. I dont think ur a pr.

I've decided, there are too many weaker players to risk not fully claiming at this point, as I could get elimmed for the lols at any moment. Plus when i started typing this, I was aiming for a sweet pagetop.

I am hereby claiming a

confirmable town power role

. I.e. I can mechanically confirm myself as town.

So yeah, elimming me today would be....very dumb.

You dont claim a certain role. How u expect us to believe this? It just seems like scum doesn't wanna get cc'ed or limmed so they thought up some terrible plan.

excellent, pagetop secured.

Also, nice work Noraa and Norweg for outting another PR. I'm not salty though.

AtE. wtf.

I didn't properly case duppin to be fair, as it's really so obvious. there's just no point. once the majority of players show up, i'm pretty sure we can get some momentum there.

......I hate this.

if you're town shelly, you're good town. I respect that.

thanks and no offence but noraaaaaa is bad town sometimes, like how is going against the consensus + following the consensus both scum!AI?

sheeping bm I see.

pretty scummy my dude.

YOUR CASE IS SHIT

Ah the truth

Not voting duppin. Your push makes him look even more towny to me. His tone is right and I agree with all of his points, although it's probably not difficult to be right in this case when you're refusing to try and convince people and asking them to blindly sheep you instead.

I agree. Duppin is seeming more and more town as BM just randomly attacks him and he calmly responds.

[Noraa]

BM barges in and drops a shit case and claims vt. Then under pressure he claims a "confirmable pr" and starts OMGUSing me and provoking Norwee. He's literally just trying to get us confused while the deadline is there to either get a mislim or a no lim

[Noraa]

BM couldn't care less @Taylor. He clearly saw it as he even responded to my posts this morning

[Noraa]

I'll be gone for another hour. be back in a bit

[Noraa]

I'll VOTE: Norweg as in the unlikely event I survive the night, I'd rather the game was a bit more pleasant, especially if we're going another 100 pages. And it's probably in Noraa's best interests too.

Don't attack people stop. If anyone has an unpleasant playstyle, it isn't norwee.

Let's try and actually elim somebody before the deadline.

Ok, vote someone that's more likely to gain consensus then.
We've already established Duppin is an controversial vote that's unlikely to gain enough support to become the elimination today.

The fact that BM drops the SR on duppin really fast after this is concerning.

did i claim yet? if not, i'm a VT

i will admit, that was not correct.

Why'd you come in and lie?

is making me claim twice not enough for you!?

No one told u to fucking claim. U were at like E-5 or some other shitty not close to lim number and u just randomly claim a mystery pr. What are we supposed to think?

ah well we'll see i guess. what do you think of bugspray on this page?

I want an explanation from bugs.

alright I'll VOTE: Redados

Jumping on a big wagon.

VOTE: Bugspray

VOTE: bugspray

yeah, i mean open-wolfing right?

Jumping to another big wagon and OMGUSing.
VOTE: BM
I bet ur scum at this point

[Noraa]

well im resigned somewhat to the fact that if my initial scumreads were right, town is basically doomed, as there are not enough strong players to actually elim scum.

i did try, more than others anyway....

let's just go with the flow

WTF AtE.
ur literally the most antitown player I've seen

[Noraa]

ok bm im convinced lets get noraa VOTE: noraa

wtf

ok bm im convinced lets get noraa VOTE: noraa

sorry dude noraa is town...unfortunately.

I don't want ur stupid ass town pass. Im not getting pocketed. If you TR me, get a damn reason.

VOTE: bm

WTF seriously/

Pls don't get distracted by bugspray. Yes, they look like obvscum, but again; this is just standard stuff for their town game and they're launched day 1 more often than they're not. They're very likely town this game for their early reads and their recounting of notes/thoughts a day or two ago.

Im having a hard time not calling bugs scum rn hectic. I really am. It's a hot struggle.

Imma be off at a lake most of the morning so dont expect my vote to change

If I die tonight, this one is lockscum btw

Why would you dying change your read on Noraa? You've stated many times she's town outside of this post.

ikr and he denied OMGUSing. He TRs but then says if he dies, I'm scum. Way to throw shade after giving a free town pass and attempting to pocket me.

[Noraa]

Please be nice to each other. That is all I ask. (-ω-)

noted. I didnt read the pedit rip

[Noraa]

Im having a hard time not calling bugs scum rn hectic. I really am. It's a hot struggle.

I know, I know, but trust me on this one. I've played like 10 games with bugspray at this point and they really are hot launchbait. This is maybe the 2nd towniest they've ever been.

I don't wanna trust u tho cuz my gut is screaming for a BM or bugs lim today. It literally is screaming and throwing a tantrum at the moment.

[Noraa]

I literally will be so upset if we lim outside of {BM, bugs} today.
Im not joking. I will throw a hot fit about it post game especially if we end up hitting a townie instead

[Noraa]

Hectic do you agree with my limpool?
{BM, bugs}

[Noraa]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if both were scum and my reads r normally hot garbage.

[Noraa]

I really don't want to launch bugspray, I think they're solid town. You'd understand if you had my knowledge or looked at their other games, Noraa. BM... is a little more complicated, I'm getting the feeling he's town so far since the wording case on duppin, and getting into these kind of fights is kinda town-indicative for him, so still don't want to launch there, but it'd be a lot more preferable over bugspray.

Why did you drop your reasons to suspect Redados? He scumread both of you/shelly, was questioned on these repeatedly and could not provide reasons, and now has admitted that he's cooled off on both of you when questioned about it more.

@BM:

Why'd you give up on pursuing duppin?

bc Redados basically admitted that it was all just him getting a lil upset about everything and that just disqualifies it as a read. I think its understandable considering I did tunnel the heck out of him that he was a bit upset. So far that's the only scummy thing he's done and I no longer wish to cling onto that and go back to tunneling. Redados is a town lean for me and I do not support that wagon.

Bm on the other hand claimed vt coming in with zero pressure and then switched to claiming a "mystery confirmable powerful pr" after literally like two votes. There are so many ways confirmable prs can get unconfirmed. For example if there was a bus driver or some weird shenanigans going on, there's plenty of ways he can just hold this argument up and pull thru til ylo and that's not beneficial to anyone. He literally just comes in and gets into a bunch of fights which is so damaging to town considering even if he flips scum, the damage is already done and town is gonna be less united and eventually lose bc of it.

[Noraa]

the grammar sucks. ignore that. I typed it pretty quickly and didnt think the grammar thru

[Noraa]

I started the trend :3

[Noraa]

hot is a great term I love it

[Noraa]

Im having a hard time not calling bugs scum rn hectic. I really am. It's a hot struggle.

I know, I know, but trust me on this one. I've played like 10 games with bugspray at this point and they really are hot launchbait. This is maybe the 2nd towniest they've ever been.

I don't wanna trust u tho cuz my gut is screaming for a BM or bugs lim today. It literally is screaming and throwing a tantrum at the moment.

that's literally concerning, and you should literally seek some help for that.

I literally will be so upset if we lim outside of {BM, bugs} today.
Im not joking. I will throw a hot fit about it post game especially if we end up hitting a townie instead

are you actually scum then?? limming me is so anti-town it's unreal. being upset if you don't throw the game, no bueno.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if both were scum and my reads r normally hot garbage.

can i check, is 'hot garbage' good or bad?

Mod just told you to be nice and you replied yes ma'am. I don't need to "seek some help"
Now ur taking back the free town pass and setting up a OMGUS.
BM is scum. I'm calling it.

[Noraa]

hot is a great term I love it

seriously though - is hot garbage good or bad? I'm trying to learn to speak 'Noraa'.

I don't want you talking like me. It'll ruin the fun of how much I love the way I talk.

[Noraa]

It doesn't matter. He was emotional not scum. If he's scum and emotional, that's tbd. But I have officially classified it as being emotional so it no longer counts as a SR. Being prideful and not wanting to admit the SR has nothing to back it up is something I can relate on a very deep level so I am not holding him accountable for it.

[Noraa]

I have a town lean on Redados and since Hectic thinks bugs isn't a good choice, I want BM.
I would've been fine with compromising bugs but since Hectic gave a fat NO, I want a BM lim

[Noraa]

Hectic join me on BM.
I caved in and am not going to vote bugs.
I took a step back. will u be doing the same?

[Noraa]

I have a town lean on Redados and since Hectic thinks bugs isn't a good choice, I want BM.
I would've been fine with compromising bugs but since Hectic gave a fat NO, I want a BM lim

Way to dismiss my reads and pocket hectic all in the same post.

I think Hectic, rational chap he is, probably isn't supporting a BM elimination either. Just a thought...

on a serious note, I will catch up on everything later. the pace of this game is hot garbage!!!

no. just no. ur gonna ruin that word for me at this rate.

[Noraa]

I have a town lean on Redados and since Hectic thinks bugs isn't a good choice, I want BM.
I would've been fine with compromising bugs but since Hectic gave a fat NO, I want a BM lim

Way to dismiss my reads and pocket hectic all in the same post.

I think Hectic, rational chap he is, probably isn't supporting a BM elimination either. Just a thought...

on a serious note, I will catch up on everything later. the pace of this game is hot garbage!!!

no. just no. ur gonna ruin that word for me at this rate.

[Noraa]

Honestly, that's just honestly so annoying.
Honestly.

shhh norwee ur gonna get SRed for saying the terrible terrible h word *GASP*

its stupid that the word "honestly" is a scumtell in BM's lil reads book.

[Noraa]

Honestly, that's just honestly so annoying.
Honestly.

shhh norwee ur gonna get SRed for saying the terrible terrible h word *GASP*

its stupid that the word "honestly" is a scumtell in BM's lil reads book.

is this you being nice? Morning Tweet will be unimpressed.

the "honestly" thing...I mean, it has resulted in numerous scumflips. Despite all your supposed tells and diligent scumhunting, you haven't pinpointed scum once? I'd maybe cut you a bit of slack if bugs flips scum, but you backed down on that one rather easily.

As a courtesy, maybe before you keep knocking my scumhunting, try and actually make an effort to find scum in this game.

I think you are the scum. And all the provable prs r somewhat not important ones anyways. You made it seem like ur important however only things like fruit vendor and fn are provable

[Noraa]

I mean mate, I'm almost certain I'd be dead already if I hadn't claimed (no case, mind!). You can thank me for you getting to catch up today at all

wdym? u claimed vt when u had zero votes and then mysterious importante pr when u had like 2

[Noraa]

Redados has made reads emotionally. u haven't. so u don't get the same treatment. plus I'm still very very convinced u are scum

[Noraa]

If u flip green anytime in this game, I will legit be pming the mod to ask if this was a mod error.
I seriously SR u a ton. I admit, my reads as town r bs generally but this ones strong so I want to stick to it

[Noraa]

If u flip green anytime in this game, I will legit be pming the mod to ask if this was a mod error.
I seriously SR u a ton. I admit, my reads as town r bs generally but this ones strong so I want to stick to it

u = bm

[Noraa]

I mean mate, I'm almost certain I'd be dead already if I hadn't claimed (no case, mind!). You can thank me for you getting to catch up today at all

wdym? u claimed vt when u had zero votes and then mysterious importante pr when u had like 2

yeah but you guys are LOUD and this town doesn't have much of a backbone (hence, page 110 or whatever on Day 1). I've seen much more level-headed groups make bad decisions in this spot.

u had seen two people talk basically and u claimed some mysterious pr. Changing ur claim from vt to pr is already sus as hell. Claiming before E-1 is also sus as hell. Don't u agree?

[Noraa]

If u flip green anytime in this game, I will legit be pming the mod to ask if this was a mod error.
I seriously SR u a ton. I admit, my reads as town r bs generally but this ones strong so I want to stick to it

Please do, hopefully the Mod can talk you round - I have tried!

I don't mind you SRing me, I just wish you'd look at other ppl, so you could actually add value, as I do think you're town. Like, you know I'm not getting elimmed today, so who ELSE do you want to get rid of?

I've looked at everyone else. We are nearing deadline and as I've said, I'm only willing to lim in {BM, bugs}

[Noraa]

No I rule out bugs if hectic votes u

[Noraa]

bm i would really appreciate if you could explain why you claimed VT. There were no votes on you so the claim seems a bit random to me

it was pretty random yeah, just having fun.

not sure if I believe this ngl. Its a terribly scummy entrance to claim upon entering imo which is pretty TSTBS

[Noraa]

I feel like ur just scum stalling for a day

[Noraa]

I want to tunnel u rn with the last moments of day 1 bc I still think you are scum buuuuuut,

Fine. You have one chance. Convince me of why you aren't scum. I swear to god if you throw in provocative, rude, condescending, or mocking content, imma keep tunneling. Your attitude isn't AI I already know that but its tearing town apart rn and if u want to decide the lim and not be viewed as antitown, that's not the way to go anyways.

[Noraa]

i'll also say Noraa, if you are scum here, I think you've hidden it pretty well.

throwing shade at me again

[Noraa]

Bm I am giving u a chance and I will listen.
please use it wisely as I really did not want to reconsider

[Noraa]

Bm I am giving u a chance and I will listen.
please use it wisely as I really did not want to reconsider

Let me emphasize it. I REALLY REALLY REALLY did not want to reconsider

[Noraa]

I want to tunnel u rn with the last moments of day 1 bc I still think you are scum buuuuuut,

Fine. You have one chance. Convince me of why you aren't scum. I swear to god if you throw in provocative, rude, condescending, or mocking content, imma keep tunneling. Your attitude isn't AI I already know that but its tearing town apart rn and if u want to decide the lim and not be viewed as antitown, that's not the way to go anyways.

not to throw the question back at you, but earlier I asked a genuine question, which is...what would make you believe I was town?

and then I can see if I can meet that criteria or not. I don't think we have seen eye to eye much, and perhaps it would help if I could see things from your perspective.

And dont worry btw, if I was scum, you would have secured the credit for having a gut read on me.

u seem scummy as hell in the first place. Norwee can confirm that I was not going insane and u indeed had a very scummy entrance. Then your attitude just made me never want to let go of that scumread. I like that this post didnt make me think "wow so rude". Tbh bm ur gonna get death tunneled by me so long as you keep the attitude. I have a problem with it and tho its not necessarily AI for u and perhaps u don't mean for it to come off as very offensive, but its making me really angry and when I'm angry, SRs appear off of even the slightest scumminess. I SRed u in the beginning for a scummy entrance. It would've disappeared had you not gotten me very angry. I've calmed down and your posts aren't sounding as offensive as the previous were. I'm happy with it and will lower u to a slight scum lean. Don't push it bc I don't think it will lower anymore as of today.

[Noraa]

Alright my limpool has expanded
{Plus, Redados, Bugs}
that's as far as its going

[Noraa]

Alright my limpool has expanded
{Plus, Redados, Bugs}
that's as far as its going

why Plus and why Redados? I'm fairly happy to sheep you onto whichever is the strongest case.

These are the most likely to go thru wagons of the day. I prefer bugs bc plus is LHF everywhere u look and I've mislimmed him multiple times. I'm a bit scared of mislimming him at this point in time.

Redados just had an emotionally driven read on shelly and I which made him look shelly. I understand that and feel like its very possible to be coming from town. Since the case on him is only that, I feel its not great to lim him

In other words, I'm willing to lim plus and redados if we need a hammer and no one else is online. But I like a bugs lim more than the other two cuz imo they both have a high chance of flipping green.

[Noraa]

*scummy

[Noraa]

VOTE: bugs

[Noraa]

I don't think bugs being scum = hectic is scum
hectic was just standing up for bugs like I stand up for plus. I get the logic behind it and if plus flipped red, that would most definitely not mean we have a scum!noraa. The logic on ur part I get. But I don't think it means either hectic or me is scum if one of them flips red.

[Noraa]

If redados is the wagon that's going thru, I will be putting my vote there to make sure town doesn't no lim

[Noraa]

Town's current ~situation~ worries me. We are so split up on wagons rn that I think its honestly very possible that we end up with a no lim so I will be supporting the biggest wagon no matter which one it is. Heck even if it was outside of my final limpool, I would go there anyways cuz no lim is worse than anything else

[Noraa]

i have a pretty strong townread on bugs

......do u not see his flip floppiness? the lack of justification of anything? the sheeping? the fence sitting?

[Noraa]

I don't think bugs being scum = hectic is scum
hectic was just standing up for bugs like I stand up for plus. I get the logic behind it and if plus flipped red, that would most definitely not mean we have a scum!noraa. The logic on ur part I get. But I don't think it means either hectic or me is scum if one of them flips red.

I know what you mean, but I think it's different because Hectic was like VERY VERY sure that Bugs is town, and basically put his rep on the line. So sure that he'd rather eliminate someone he believes is likely to be a town PR, rather than elim Bugs. We can agree to disagree though!

I'll give this to u. This is a fair point and I agree that his thing on bugs was a more extreme version of mine. Eh if bugs flips red, I won't be surprised but I doubt I will think hectic is scum. Cuz like u have a fair point and all but hectic has seemed really towny so far so I'm keeping that TR on the table.

Town's current ~situation~ worries me. We are so split up on wagons rn that I think its honestly very possible that we end up with a no lim so I will be supporting the biggest wagon no matter which one it is. Heck even if it was outside of my final limpool, I would go there anyways cuz no lim is worse than anything else

you think we should get a redados claim now then? He's at something like L-2 anyway I guess, so currently he's the main wagon.

He's at E-2 already? dayum his wagon built up fast. Idk I'm not fond of the idea of a Redados lim anymore but if its the only one going thru, my vote will be there tmrw.

[Noraa]

i have a pretty strong townread on bugs

......do u not see his flip floppiness? the lack of justification of anything? the sheeping? the fence sitting?

but as hectic pointed out and as their own iso says, them flip flopping a bit isnt really alignment indicative of them.
I think their early game was really town - the way they initially pushed Jester and then backed off and pushed elsewhere felt so natural and town as it seemed like a genuine attempt at gamesolving. They then dropped off quite a bit and kept saying they were doing notes, but it wasn't until after they were called out for it a couple of days ago they actually went back to their notes after hectic asked for it and what followed once again just felt so genuine and natural to me

I don't buy this case but it does seem a bugs lim won't go thru today bc hectic is very insistent that bugs is town so I'll likely drop this case til tmrw

[Noraa]

in case that's a wrap, a reminder:

I'm a confirmable town PR - doctor, please gimme some love tonight.

1) I don't think we have a doctor but idk. Here's my take on stuff : If Norwee isn't lying about the setup info and we have a Mafia doctor, I don't think town will have a doctor. Idk if the logic works but idk generally what the town has, the mafia has the "opposite" of. Not sure if that's completely correct at this point in time cuz closed setup is confusing but I think its right.

2) Even if we have a doctor, don't tell them what to do. I think the reasoning is simple. We have three outed prs. I think at most, one is lying. There is never a case where two scums out pr day 1. They'd have to be stupid. In this case, the scums will have to decide which one to kill and if they know the doctor is protecting u, they will kill off the other. But if u don't say anything, the scum might try to kill the one the doctor saves and that benefits everyone.

[Noraa]

I think the plan should be doc protect Taylor and Taylor protect u. rolestopper is protective ... I think?

idk disregard if u think its a bad plan and again we wanna be unpredictable and give scum one hell of a time trying to figure anything out

[Noraa]

idk what rolestopper does tbh but I think I've heard it be classified as a protective role so idk
disregard the plan then. ig we're back to the plan with the doctor

[Noraa]

dream as if you'll live forever
live as if you'll die today
and maybe if we stick together
I might have the chance to stay
roll up your faith, and pack your trust
and please don't let me be betrayed
I'll always go just where I must
so that your truth can be conveyed

This doesn't beat
Dream as if you'll live forever like Noraa, live as if you'll die today like Shelly

[Noraa]

still good tho

[Noraa]

still good tho

thanks

how do you feel about shelly in this game? she seemed to scumread you very hard early, and then didn't really explain why she stopped pursuing it.

typical shelly play right there

[Noraa]

I always have a hard time reading my old scum buddy shelly. Thats just how it is. sooo asking me for a read on shelly is a bad idea cuz generally the most I can say is eh she seems town or eh she seems scum but even I'm never really convinced in that soooo

[Noraa]

Meh idk. Each game reacts differently to her. She's an interesting one that's hard to read. Idk what else to say.

[Noraa]

You put redados at E-2 right? Any objections to me dropping a E-1?

[Noraa]

Yeah that's what I'm a bit worried about in case someone hammers since this game is a bit ~spammy~

[Noraa]

Normally E-1 + an announcement is sufficient but I'm worried someone will actually accidentally hammer if my E-1 warning is lost in the thread

[Noraa]

How do I get page top? I've never actually counted how many posts til page top lmao

[Noraa]

VOTE: Redados

This is E-1. DO NOT HAMMER

[Noraa]

I counted the one on the page before and was like eyyy 25

[Noraa]

Night Bm

[Noraa]

Davesaz just dropped intent

[Noraa]

Ah I'm back in the scum category
*sigh*
do you have a reason besides the fact that I actually tried to reevaluate even tho I didnt wanna?

[Noraa]

And do you have a better reason for why UNO is scum?
just screams OMGUS to me

[Noraa]

Mundivore is also literally just lurking here. Whys he scum?
this scum team is absolutely terrible.
I wanted to believe u were town but literally ur at E-1, can you not come up with a well backed up read?

SR whoever the hell u want but defend ur arguments that way its actually useful to town if ur town.

[Noraa]

Ah I'm back in the scum category
*sigh*
do you have a reason besides the fact that I actually tried to reevaluate even tho I didnt wanna?

And do you have a better reason for why UNO is scum?
just screams OMGUS to me

I'm sharing my last thoughts because I'm about to get flipped. You can argue with my logic all you want if I flip red. If I flip green can you just admit that these are my thoughts? I'm sharing what I think.

If u flip red, then I shouldn't have even bothered with reevaluating. If u flip green, these reads aren't helpful bc they aren't backed up
UNVOTE: Redados

work with me and give me reads if ur town bc I don't want to lim u

[Noraa]

Redados ur making everything so hard. Literally I don't wanna lim someone that 1)isn't willing to claim cuz I'm afraid you might be some important pr and 2) I just reevaluated and changed from a SR to TR

[Noraa]

don't jinx me. my town win rate so far is 100%.

You're just being stubborn redados. Uno and me have been ur "solid SRs" and that's just not something that u even pause for a moment to reconsider

My unvote means ur at E-2
no harm is done especially since u didnt claim

[Noraa]

I want you to explain ur reads and not in two sloppy sentences that look like you thought them up in two seconds. I want you to rethink everything bc I don't want to lim u today

[Noraa]

Redados literally voluntarily untunneling even after the other person continues to be stubborn for me is rare. Take this opportunity and explain your reads. I am 10000% sure if you can give good explanations, town will choose a lim elsewhere. Our main wagon has changed multiple times now. If ur town, u should try to not be the first lim bc limming town is not beneficial to us anyways.

[Noraa]

noraa explain that trajectory and why you changed from SR to TR

I explained it multiple times. go find it.

[Noraa]

Redados think about this as you are about to die. Can you not do surface reads rn? literally take this game seriously please

[Noraa]

Redados is just tunneling at this point. Im not even sure what to think anymore. Maybe I should just stop trying to give him a chance and try to think of this as a town!Redados

[Noraa]

Shelly do you really think a shelly wagon is plausible at this moment in time?

[Noraa]

Btw pst not game related moment. Can I call u shelly welly?
its adorable :3

[Noraa]

Woah woah there. The duppin push was baaaaad

[Noraa]

According to Hectic, bugs always plays like this so I wouldn't bother asking since he's off the hook bc of hectic

[Noraa]

shelly welly has entered the chat

[Noraa]

noraabear just left that chat tho

[Noraa]

By chat I meant the wagon.
Anyways Redados I waited one whole hour for ur reads and explanation.

VOTE: Redados

If you are town, you have no one but urself to blame if you get limmed. I tried hard to give u chances to talk to me and to change my mind. I waited one whole hour for a reply. My patient isn't infinite. I'm not convinced ur scum or town rn but I'm tired of waiting. Day 1 has got to end. I'm going to bed after this vote. Night everyone. Redados if ur town, I'm sorry but u have tested my patience a bit too much and seeing the deadline is close, we ought to get this day over with.

[Noraa]

That is E-1

[Noraa]

*patience

[Noraa]

Wait wait I'm not understanding why everyone thinks I'm scum rn

cuz like 1)BM did not visit me last night(I woke up to 1 notification from morning tweet saying day 2 had started) and 2)even if he chose me as a target, all I would get is a pm that he is town cuz thats how fn works

so im just confused why everyone is saying that bm targeted me last night so I'm scum?

idk correct me if I'm wrong but currently what I have is that there were two kills last night so that means towns doctor if we have one, didnt save the right person and so the scums and the vigs kill went thru.

[Noraa]

wtf
maybe skimming wasn't sufficient
I feel like I'm missing something since everyone voted me really fast

[Noraa]

If bm targeted me, mod is supposed to pm me and say something like "you know battlemage is aligned with the town"
or did that change?

[Noraa]

wtf is "weak fn"

[Noraa]

I've never actually seen a "weak" role before

[Noraa]

Well I mean it all makes sense if I think about it that way cuz BM targeting me does sound reasonable enough. Yeet me to the sun then. I'm not scared cuz I am green. Why BM didnt choose to target me even I couldn't say but either way I did not get a pm from mod which means I did not get targeted by BM which means I am not scum and I will flip to prove it

[Noraa]

Yeet me to the sun then

[Noraa]

Plus said that weak roles just die when they visit scum so I assumed that you would get a pm since that means the action technically "went thru" but then the person dies

[Noraa]

Norwee I know very well that BM's most likely target of the night was me. I'm not stupid. But the fact is that he did not visit me otherwise I would have gotten a pm and he wouldn't have died.

[Noraa]

It alright just yeet me today bc that's the consensus here. After I go to dead thread, I'll know who the scum is

[Noraa]

I am not vig

[Noraa]

As I've said, yeet me to the sun. I will prove I'm town through a flip. That's the best I can do right now and that's exactly what I'm going to do.

[Noraa]

I don't have much to say except that I did not get a pm and bm did not visit me last night. My flip will prove that.

vig is unlikely ur right. even if there was one, they wouldn't target bm bc he had a confirmable role. So that means BM targeted scum last night. I'll get to know who one of the scums are later when I reach dead thread. I'm not pleased at the thought of dying day two especially in a game where I'm not scum but anyways 125 pages is the equivalent of like day 3/4 in lots of other games anyways so its alright.

[Noraa]

Norwee town!Noraa cares lots about proving she is town

[Noraa]

I've always been like that

[Noraa]

but anyways I cant prove it without showing my role pm and I can't do that so I'll flip to prove it

[Noraa]

i was SRing the hell out of norwee but i don't see why he busses noraa here instead of going to me
i guess it is possible since bm was pretty clear cut
maybe UN/duppin

I think SRing me is the normal thing to do here plus u got ur priorities mixed up

[Noraa]

but anyways I cant prove it without showing my role pm and I can't do that so I'll flip to prove it

If that's all you've got then a flip on you is most definitely happening.

BM plotted a huge neon sign on you yesterday. If you're not the one he targeted then i have to assume BM isn't a very good player. And i'd like to show him at least some form of respect by assuming this is the play he went for.

Assume what you want but I'd say you shouldn't say things like this cuz BM'll be offended that you said he was a bad player. Also its in a way, good that I will be today's lim cuz that would mean I will be able to prove I'm town.

Is there any other way to prove myself besides flipping? I've been thinking about it and I dont think there is... Especially cuz I'm not a confirmable role.

[Noraa]

can scums have bus drivers?

[Noraa]

can scums have bus drivers?

it can, if you flip town then it is very likely that this is the case i think unless BM ended up targeting someone else but that would be rather odd given his statement

so you're telling me that a bus driver swapped me and their buddy so that BM dies and a mislim on me is set up for the next day?
that actually ticks me off a bit but anyways I'm glad Im dying bc of a smart scum team not a dumb one

[Noraa]

Then if bus drivers cant exist here, that means BM just targeted someone else

[Noraa]

I'll claim at E-1

[Noraa]

Why tf would I self hammer?

[Noraa]

Even as scum I wouldn't self hammer not to mention rn where im fucking town

[Noraa]

Well then ur in for a surprise lel

[Noraa]

When I reach dead thread, BM's gonna have one hell of a time explaining why he did me dirty like that

[Noraa]

Norwee I think Taylor and I will have some nice talks with u about being overconfident post game <.<

[Noraa]

not particularly no but I think I'd get a laugh out of being yeeted to the sun before I claim. It'll be good meta for me to use to my advantage bc it'll show town!me is very strange and unpredictable.

[Noraa]

Pull an uno reverse like redados and refuse to claim lel

[Noraa]

My claim will not stop my lim so there's no point but I will claim if everyone insists I claim

[Noraa]

lel if ur talking about the one shot vig thing from hectic that was a joke

[Noraa]

Whats a sk?

And duppin town's in a bad position but so what? even if I claim, I die. Why not make everyone regret later when I flip rather than be upset I claimed and still died?
petty, yes. but its my thing.
Noraa!lim is determined and it is what it is

[Noraa]

so yeah only 2 possibilities remain really
1. we have sk, and they killed bm to frame noraa. unlikely
2. we have an absentminded vig who shot bm and they haven't woken up or won't claim (unlikely)

3. BM did me dirty and targeted someone else (most likely)

[Noraa]

Theres a reason why I dont want to claim but I'd have to put a ginormous wall together to explain it. If everyone thinks its a good idea for me to do the big wall anyways, there will be a wait bc its hard to explain.

[Noraa]

Im pretty sure im gonna get limmed even if I do the wall and if that happens, this is gonna be the game I reference in every single town game after this one where im under pressure and dont wanna explain. It'll show that Noraa got limmed even after claiming so there's no point in doing walls to explain U-U

That'll actually be great meta for me ngl. I can prolly even manipulate it to use it in scum games someday :3

Anyways I dont have enough time to explain until the long weekend. Yeet me before if you think that's a good idea but trust me I guarantee town will regret it afterwards.

[Noraa]

So if everyone is willing to wait until Thursday, you will get the wall.

[Noraa]

I mean ngl if anyone wanted the wall earlier, they could just pressure me into doing it. I would recommend no one did that tho cuz I would be very salty about having to do it during the week.
Bc this wall is like big, like really really damn big.

[Noraa]

I'll help scum hunt during all this time and y'all can as well but my wall isn't coming faster unless I get pressured into doing that and I wouldn't be too pleased with that.

My reads dont need to be a wall but my claim is a huge wall.

[Noraa]

The way that I approached this game is strange and that's why my role is hard to explain bc I haven't behaved like my role or used it well

[Noraa]

I've also been very very stubborn and low-key salty this game so that's making it harder. I dont think I can explain my claim without getting quick hammered unless I do a wall explaining why I did everything I did

[Noraa]

It's difficult to explain. I'll do a wall. Instead of sitting around and doing nothing tho, I advise town to just scum hunt like normal while waiting for my wall. It will all hopefully make sense once I claim.

[Noraa]

Can you just say it please.
I don't see the point in discussion if you're not even going to claim.

I will get quick hammered before I get to explain which is why I want to drop a wall that way I get everything out.

[Noraa]

I will be evaluating ~mostly~ based off of yesterday cuz today was just town hard tunneling me and I'm not too interested in repeating what I already said or attack people forming reads on me bc it is the logical thing to do - SR me after BM dies.

Norwee is town but overconfident. He lead the Taylor wagon which ultimately got one of our strongest prs killed night 1. Norwee also outed pr which im inclined to believe however if Norwee survives til limlo, he's 99% guaranteed scum cuz scum would know the setup of the mafia team. He could be lying about mafia doc in that case or it could be his buddy. Who knows.

Shelly has been all over the place this game with sheeping, sussing, tunneling, SRing, and TRing. She's been a huge mess this round and I mean this in the least offensive way possible. Whether or not she's scum, I cant be sure but if she survives til like limlo, she's 99% guaranteed scum.

Hectic isn't tunneling me which is really really strange considering rn if I was in any other position, I would be sussing the fuck out of my slot. I feel that is the normal townie thing to do which is making me reconsider whether Hectic is just trying to look at the big picture or trying to interact with me to set up tomorrows mislim thru me or pocket me in case I dont end up dying. Ur a slight scum lean rn.

Duppin seems very levelheaded this round and I would say he's likely town. He is a rational decision maker and definitely isn't overly confident which is a good thing for town to have. I dont have much there and I understand that he had some ~scummy~ moments but overall I get town vibes there. I can quote some posts but really just the majority of his posts are very naturally towny and im definitely trusting my gut on this one.

Bugs is still scummy as fuck. The first post that didnt seem that scummy was literally sheeping everyone else's SR on me. I'm sorry but I hate that his best post(imo) is 1)130 pages into the game and 2)100% sheeping all the posts before it. Hectic says he's town but im having a hard time seeing town!bugs. If bugs flips red anytime during this game, look into Hectic. Hectic will be very very likely scum in that case.

Plus is just sheeping everyone just like bugs but I've played with plus before and that is normal plusiness. He is easy to pocket and sway which is why even if he makes it to limlo, I would argue he's likely town unless town has a ton of evidence to prove otherwise.

Uno has good reads overall. I think this slot's town. Not much of an explanation here cuz he's not a frequent poster.

and Dave I have no idea on. They've been pretty quiet but the aggression shown when sussing me seems town to me. idk not much here. just like uno, they dont post much so idk its difficult to read.

[Noraa]

"peer reviewing" her wallpost. wtf plus.
im doing the read hectic asked for. stop frustrating me.

[Noraa]

I advise town to just scum hunt like normal while waiting for my wall.

Well until you claim, my hunting from now on is pretty much based on you being scum, and seeing which players fit the most as your teammates. So i'm not sure the "scum hunt as normal" thing applies the way you think here.

I suppose you could do that but it definitely won't be that beneficial to town. I recommend everyone just consider a town!noraa and scum hunt based on that. Once I claim, those may shift or not depending on lots of different things. Either way you might as well get a head start on considering town!noraa cuz if u wait until after the flip, u have less time to think. But its ur call. If u think tunneling me is a good idea, then so be it.

But lets talk some facts. Even if I was scum which for town would be the best case scenario here I guess, scum!Noraa here would have two scum buddies cuz mini normals always have 3 scum as far as im concerned. You might as well just search for scum like u normally would cuz too much preflip analysis isn't helpful especially since u got my alignment wrong. Start by seeing who BM sussed cuz since he is town, and one that replaced in, his opinions are less biased and more likely to be accurate.

[Noraa]

Its probably the best role I've ever gotten on this site. At least imo it is.

[Noraa]

My role might save me and it might not but either way its definitely bad for town to kill me just in general.

[Noraa]

Fine put pressure on me. Just yeet me to the sun and I'll watch how town does without 3 of their prs and 3 scums remaining on day 3. Trust me, waiting for my wall is a much much better idea especially since my role is confirmable(in a way)

[Noraa]

I hope you realize that my role is just as important as taylors but if u feel wasting all my night actions is worth a flip, that's that.
I was going to just let town kill me off to use this game as good meta for when im scum. I can say things like look even when I was a (my role), I behaved like this. But now I think I want to get at least one more night action in. 2/3 is better than 1/3 and considering that two of our prs are dead, I think I need to extend my life at least one more day to ensure a better chance of town winning. I request that town start searching for scum outside of the {Noraa} pool bc 1)my role is confirmable and 2)im willing to bet that I am the most important pr that is currently alive. I will be the nk tonight and im sure of that but that doesnt matter bc my action will still go thru as long as I live until the night.

[Noraa]

I will do a wall dont you worry. I will also hard claim in that wall and include my explanation of why I did a few things.

[Noraa]

no bc I feel like im just gonna get quickhammered before I even get to explain.
and even if I get quick hammered by scum, they can just blame it all on a dead BM and no one can do anything.

[Noraa]

Ok ok ok I've already said im a provable pr that can and will prove myself tonight. I think y'all really need to chill off on the scum!Noraa thought for a bit. It doesnt matter if I get nk'ed tonight because my action will still go thru and I will clarify in a bit as to why I am provable. Either way I guarantee I am provable and my role is imo the most important town pr role left here.

[Noraa]

This is not the wall. This is a quick claim with some explanations. If enough of the important parts of the wall are asked afterwards, I may do the wall in multiple long paragraph posts instead of one monster wall.

Ok so I've lied about a few things this game which generally, for me, means im not vanilla. It doesnt necessarily determine alignment bc I lie as a pr(as shown in ancient arthropods where I was jker) and I lie as scum(as shown in doggos and on this day) However, I am a pr this round and the most important pr role I've ever landed. So let's first talk about BM.

BM visited me last night. Before you scream scum at me, hear me out here. So, when I came into the thread in the morning, I saw that I was under quite a bit of pressure. I underestimated how strong the SRs were and thought I would be able to get thru the day without a claim and by just denying I was visited. Bc as long as I deny to be visited, I dont have to claim but if I admit it, I must claim. As pr, I hate to claim. In Ancient Arthropods I never claimed at all as JKer. In fact I wrote multiple tips "for our JKer" In other words tried my best to make it seem the JKer wasn't me while also providing crucial setup info to town in case I ever died. I hate that I must claim day 2 bc that means I am 100% the nk of tonight but I feel its necessary rn.

I am town 3 shot vig. I was very very convinced BM was scum. Ok dont yell at me for this but I was very certain he was scum and that's why I decided to kill him regardless of the pr claim. At the end of day 1 I started getting worried that he and his scum buddies would kill me for my SR on him so I started backpedalling. I figured it would work even tho it was unnatural on my part. BM is right. I was being very stubborn when judging him and I paid for that with a claim which I absolutely hate the idea of claiming day 2 and a miskill.

I can prove I am vig by there being two kills tomorrow bc if I was scum, there would be zero possible way there would be two kills. Scums will not no kill bc they are not stupid and we had a role blocker which means the scums don't. There is no way to mess with this so I will be able to prove myself as vig. Bc my shot day 1 was dogshit, I want to discuss who my shot is tonight with town. Town will decide for me and I will just do the kill decided for me. I predict this will be my last shot as scum's kill will be me. However that doesn't matter bc my kill will go thru regardless of whether I am the scum's nk. I don't wish to waste my two remaining shots and thats why I'm claiming bc if I don't, my shots will disappear along with my lim.

One thing I thought of while I was typing my claim + explanation is what happens if someone cc's. So I asked a few friends(without mentioning game) if two of one pr role is possible outside of the newbie queue. They said its unlikely but is technically possible. The reason why I thought of this was bc whenever I claim as pr, I always immediately think about what to do if anyone cc's. Like thinking about how to prove I'm the real and they r the fake and whatnot. My problem is that if someone cc's here, I'm inclined to believe they are fake but at the same time knowing that two is possible really worries me. Also another thing is that I'm in such a bad position that I'd think no scums would out to get me killed bc I'm basically already just free limbait with things as they currently are and shit. Ig what I'm trying to say is if there's another vig, don't out and just do a kill tonight. If that happens then we will have 3 kills tmrw and everyone will be proven innocent. Tho I'll be dead, I'll still have gotten two shots in so I think its fair enough for me.

[Noraa]

^above post was not proofread so I'm sorry if it doesn't make too much sense or there's runons or typos or shit
I typed it in calc class and my brain was already fried so I'm sorry if it sounds stupid and I'm sorry if it doesn't make sense
im trying and i think I've tried my best this game considering I hate reading or writing walls.

[Noraa]

I'm open to questions. ask away. my clams out. there's no point in holding back any info considering I either get limmed by town today or killed by scum tonight

[Noraa]

*claims

[Noraa]

I understand that many people are convinced I'm scum and I dont blame any of you bc I, although not always rational, would likely also believe that. Many people have stated that they dont care if I'm a vig and even if I was, they would yeet me. I respect that and think that its town's choice ultimately whether or not to give me a chance to prove myself. I would like to request that I be given a chance to prove it however I do understand if the answer is a no

[Noraa]

Huh I didn't shoot the rolestopper

[Noraa]

I shot BM

[Noraa]

im not convinced
shooting the claimed rolestopper is just so awful as vig i think its impossible to be town
rolestopper is a role that resolves itself, i could get shooting n2 but never n1
and that would mean scum would have had to notice the crumb and decided not to go for taylor, the one person possible to stop their nk
furthermore, taylor could have also seen the crumb by the weak tfn, and would have made most sense to rolestop them or norwee who claimed informed

sorry come again? none of this made any sense to me. please rephrase or something

[Noraa]

First off I'm three shot. Why would I wait until night 2 to start shooting? It's almost impossible for me to survive that long into the game as vig and its not worth the risk wasting my shots. The only reason why I'm claiming is cuz two of my shots will be wasted if I dont. I'd rather waste one than two.

[Noraa]

I mean if u want meta on town me
In ancient arthropods, I was JKer,
my scum team guess was two vanilla townies. the two people I jailed were both vanilla townies. one scum I "found" bc they claimed my role. the other scum I "found" thru Poe that was inaccurate cuz I was rb'ed one night.

All 4 of my main SRs were vts. I'm not good at scum hunting but I'm offering my last shot to town. Town can decide it. That way tomorrow you will have two flips, one being me and one being the person you decided I kill.

I am provable and I can be used to towns advantage by letting town decide my kill tonight.

[Noraa]

Honestly I dont understand the rush. From your perspective you dont know if I'm vig but vig can be proven. Waiting one day is all it takes and I'll be dead by tomorrow anyways. The only thing town can get out of me at this point is my last shot tonight and town is really gonna just waste that away by personally limming me?

[Noraa]

I dont like to claim ... ever
that's how I've always been and also you really think that if I was scum, my buddies would even help me rn? If I was scum, I'm 100% bus material and the moment the day started I would've been told to just spam the heck out of the thread and probably self hammer after my scum buddies tell me to. Isn't that how the day would've ended if we had a scum!Noraa?

[Noraa]

Why tf would I lie and then fucking admit I lied if I was scum?
isnt that literally the scummiest damn thing to ever do?
I'm literally admitting it bc I dont want to waste my shots but if it was a scum!Noraa there's no benefit to admitting anything and its at a point where scum!me would've given up. Im optimistic but I dont care about a scum game that much. I literally have a 0% win rate as scum anyways. Why would I bother to try this hard if I was scum? Literally anyone that's played with me before should know scum!me is NOT like this.

[Noraa]

Alright then I'll just wait til the flip then

[Noraa]

Vig is much more important than fn

[Noraa]

but either way if that was the hammer, its too late to change anything

[Noraa]

Honestly I'm betting the solve is plus/shelly/someone else at this point

[Noraa]

Wait was that the hammer or no? Im not going back and counting

[Noraa]

I disagree but that doesn't matter cuz dead vig=no vig