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Interesting emoticon dropped by Morning Tweet here. Could she be trying to communicate with us?

The first emotion that comes to mind when looking at this emoji for me is "cheekiness". Tayl0r is currently the leading wagon and Morning drops this in the inconspicuously named "Mod Notes"... does that mean she's feeling cheeky about Tayl0r being wagoned? If we can determine whether Morning roots for scum or town in her games, we could glean a lot from this.

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I think she's scum.

We got there. So going way back to my previous question which you did not answer - can you point to where you believe she has been anti-town in this game in a way that you wouldn't expect from town!Noraa? What about her reads suggest she is scum?

this isn't a place where I would pick out posts from her ISO to back up my point. What I would say is that most of her points directed towards me and maybe half of her posts in general are anti-town, throwing scumreads at the wall and seeing what sticks, not reading/listening carefully.

Why isn't this a place you'd do that? It'd be very helpful if you could explain which of her scumreads and pushes you don't like. This is the closest you've gotten to explaining your scumread on her, and it's not very much. I'm sure Noraa won't mind if that's your concern, she'll probably be happy that you're giving us more content to sort you.

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Ignore shelly. This is how you find scum:

Claim 7-shot Strong Loyal Miller
All 3 scum will jump onto your wagon as they will want to get rid of such a strong role
Admit you were fakeclaiming and launch everyone on your wagon
???
Win

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bugspray, you mentioned you've been keeping notes as you caught up, perhaps those could help? And if not about this particular instance, the overall summary of those notes would be nice.

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Cool, I still like bugspray. That recounting of their thoughts/notes reads as genuine.

Pls send out role PMs already, bugspray.

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Hm? I meant for the mafia minigame we'll play in this game. Please "send out" PMs by spoilering them all in one post. No one will peek at each other's spoilers.

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Noraa, Duppin. If you two voted Taylor now we'd have 1 scum down.

Norwee are you certain Taylor is scum here? Cuz I'm seriously not feeling a scum!Taylor here

Yes, i’m actually quite convinced of it.
Why do you think they are town?

she's acting just like town her basically is. I mean I see no difference. The amount she posts, the reasoning, the tiny amounts of anger and annoyance. It's all exactly like her in on this day where she was town.

Who did she tunnel in On this Day in the way she was forcefully tunnelling duppin here?

She also had a complex changing read on you in that game, while you've been lazily slotted as null due to playstyle here.

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Damn, I'm bottom poster. How have I got away with hard lurking for so long?

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Hectic i really wanna hear you're thoughts on developments so far.

Salute, had a busy evening. Give me time to catchup tomorrow morning/afternoon before we launch pls. I'm a quick reader so it'll take me a couple of secs.

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I agree wholly with Dave's 2177, Tayl0r is probably town. Sorry £_£

Also, the emotion/frustration on display from her there might be out of her scum range, from what I've read about her scumgame.

PlusJOYED... at first, I was okay with the wagon, because I disagree with pretty much all of the reasons in 2181, and 2194 is even worse, because Norwee used his informedness to argue Tayl0r was town for it, not scum. The reasoning is so void I wonder if Plus would bother using it as scum, or if he's just really lost/lazy town.

@Plus:

Do you understand what I mean here?

Also, his whole reason to initially suspect Norwee in 1554 and 1572 was because he thought he was Redados's scum partner defending him, but then opts to push Norwee over Redados in 1581. THING IS, town can be emotional and irrational, and OMGUS is usually more of a towntell rather than a scumtell believe it or not, so I think him switching on a whim like this might be town-indicative.

I like the lack of desire for consistency within the same post in 1560. I also really like 1780 from Plus, if I was less accustomed to Norwee, that post would strike me as really scummy as well just in the way it's artificially worded, but I think I'm finally getting a handle on filtering out the Norweeness from the Norwee.

Norwee doesn't push through the launch on Plus despite being deathtunneled by him, and is on the same lines as me in 2196, makes me feel better about him too.

Don't waste your breath. I'm town.

if ur town and no one else is really scumreading you, why are you afraid?
I do wanna say that me going after Norway is not something I'd do as scum but I doubt that helps. I'm much more of a log/wagonboy as scum.

Do you have a game to back this up?

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Now to find where else to launch today...

UNVOTE: Tayl0r

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Saudade is being replaced. The day one deadline is frozen until I find a replacement.

Is it bad that I still want to lim that slot?

Is it bad that I still want to lim that slot?

No.

Honestly wouldn't mind this. We'd need to wait for the rep to hear a claim though.

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I townlean Plus, and I townread Jacko, so don't really want to launch there.

I'm looking at Mundivore and Redados now.

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saude policy is fine for d1 but idrt limming that slot gives us any info especially in this spamfest

Sure, it won't give as much info, but it's not policy, the reasons to find Saudade sus early on were legit. 979

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Thinking Redados might not be a bad idea now honestly, I thought the "scum because of playstyle" caution was towny from him early on, but it seems he's committed to actually scumreading both of Noraa/shelly without ever explaining why.

Looking through his ISO, he's restated or acknowledged those scumreads like 10 or so different times, but not once has he mentioned

why

he scumreads them or given any reasoning despite repeatedly being prompted for it...maybe he doesn't actually have any reasons and is just rolling with the reads from early on? His wall in 1164 infact have a bunch of lines where he says shelly is being protown or that he agrees with something shelly has said, but then these come with no explanation:

P12 - I am scumreading ShellyC

Page 38 - I’m scumreading ShellyC.

Redados

help, WHY do you scumread shelly and Noraa?

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Here's a little lesson in trickery~
This is going down in history!
If you wanna be a scum number one
You have to chase a townie on the run!
Just follow my moves, and sneak around
Be careful not to make a scumslip.
(Shh)
(No, don't fakeclaim that!)
*Comical slipping sounds*

Ha ha ha
Now look at this town PR, that I just found
When I say go, be ready to throw...
Go!
(I meant throw him off! Not throw the game!)
(Ugh, let's try something else)
Now watch and learn, here's the deal~
Hectic'll slip and slide on this banana peel!
(Ha ha ha, gasp! what are you doing!?)

Ba-ba-biddly-ba-ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba
We are Number One
Hey!

Poems are scum-indicative for you Norwee!1

Glad to see you're channeling your inner Minstrel though

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@hectic, I honestly think Norwee is scum even after letting the emotion fade; he's playing like exactly how I'd expect scum to play in this game. I will relent and say that I've never played with norwee before, it might just be that his normal town play fits perfectly with my view of scum. Does he act like this every game?

You're gonna have to elaborate on what "this" is that he's doing this game.
But yeah, in the past, I scumread Norwee in basically every town game I played with him. It's something about the way he words things and his tone that pings me, but I've learnt to accept these as Norweepings rather than scumpings.

These aren't my words, but someone else once said this about Norwee:
"In my experience, Norwee openwolfs as town"

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This is a point I've been trying to get across for an eternity and everyone ignored me except uno ;(

Your points were probably too small. I only read font that's size 140 or larger.

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After seeing Shelly's reaction to my scumreads and her continued play, I don't scumread her anymore.

I've also cooled down on Noraa. I kept scumreading her because of her continued tunneling on me.

Why were you originally scumreading shelly?

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She was behaving erratically and aggressively and going back in hindsight I think it was her push on Grendel that drove it.

You mentioned before that's her playstyle and it's NAI. I was hoping you had more game specific reasons to scumread her, so this is troubling.

What about the push on Grendel made you think she was scum and it wasn't just shelly being agressive/erratic as always?

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Leaning VOTE: Redados atm

UNOwen, what do you think of Redados's latest replies? Changed your mind in any capacity?

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The combat wizard has arrived. Everyone brace for impact.

If I don't see some emojis from you this game, I'm gonna be furious, BM.

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I'm doing well! Good to see you again :cop:

How much have you read so far?

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Curse the disable smilies option. Why can't it just read my mind to know when I want to use an emoji or not?

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Tayl0r claimed Rolestopper, and Norwee claimed he was informed that there's a mafia doc in the setup 2min later. That's what we've got in terms of claims so far.

Why's duppin mayor of scum city?

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Virtualization Technology? Bit weird if I'm gonna be honest.

Gonna assume that's a BM thing and means nothing.

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Right... it better not be another choice of wording tell. Is this based on meta with duppin, or an independent read?

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do you believe norweg's claim? my initial thought was "sounds like bs". i need to read it properly though

Yeah, I believe it. I don't think Norwee comes up with that in less than 2 min. It also makes Tayl0r look better, and not worse, which isn't exactly ideal for scum!Norwee who Tayl0r was scumreading iirc

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I see lol
Well, hate to break it to you, but no one's sheeping you unless you provide some sort of reasons or case.

Pedit: Informed Townie. Why, I wouldn't know without seeing the whole setup and more claims which we can't rn obviously

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Your claim doesn't help in the slightest and you know that lol. If it's actually a serious one, I need you to really explain the thought process behind that one.

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Ya, I'm struggling with this sequence:

Norweg: "Screw you taylor, you scum scum scum"
Taylor: "dude ffs, i'm the town rolestopper"
Norweg: "Ah ha! I have relevant knowledge which proves there is a mafia doctor, which is similar to your claim"
Norweg, a few posts later: "well, I guess my knowledge didn't really matter, I'm just gonna town-read you now".

Norweg spewing out an "informed townie" claim for basically no reason doesn't add up to me. It didn't seem like sharing that knowledge at that point served any benefit, and Norweg-town would probably keep his cards closer to his chest...maybe?

Like, what was the point of him claiming anything?

In contrast, I thought the way Taylor claimed was very believable as town. and presumably she'll be killed at some point anyway as a claimed town PR.

The point of claiming is because it's directly relevant in working out whether Tayl0r's claim is legitimate. Scum are unlikely to have both a doc and a rolestopper, so it comes down to ascertaining whether Tayl0r is a mafia doc who's decided to claim rolestopper instead (arguably more sus as scum so bad idea), or is a town rolestopper.

Pedit: :dead: I won't forget to ask

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It doesn't matter what town!Norwee thought it meant for Tayl0r in the instance that he claimed - he'd only had a minute or two to think about it after all - he came around to thinking she was town for it a few posts later is the important thing.

Default would definitely not be trusting Tayl0r's claim. If you run someone up and they claim PR, it just increases the chance they're scum, not decreases.

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Hectic man, did you read the duppin ISO? it's one of the scummiest ISO's I've ever seen, and I refuse to believe you can read it in good faith and not think he's scum.

I mean, he was pinging me a lot early on too, but I eventually figured his defensive choice of wording is an extension of his personality, and not alignment.

This is a good post:

On ISO reread I still think duppin is town. I understand why the occasional text blocks that appear look like he is too concerned with explaining himself but I think that might just be his style, some of the arguments he makes are so meandering I don't know why he would bother with them as scum. The bugspray town read was not so lazily held as I thought it might be, he went back to bugs at least a couple of times which shows interest in actually solving. The Saudade vote continues to be a stain but I guess I can see why he would want to hold onto it when it was his major hook in the game and disappeared in a puff of smoke. Despite this focus, there is still an interest in the rest of the game throughout his posts and I can't detect any scum agenda.

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ah i hope saudade is ok. his ISO was a rollercoaster of emotions.

Hm, I don't like this. Feels like you're suggesting we should absolve his scuminess because of OOG reasons.

I think Noraa wants that duppin case from you now.

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Thanks for the answer, UNOwen, I think I agree and don't really have anything else to add.

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Btw Hectic, you wouldn’t be so mean as to try to pocket me this game right?
We’re too good friends for that right?

What do you mean? I was told friends were supposed to pocket each other.

Up to this post, I think BM is probably town and his "to be honest" case is uh, something I've seen he likes to do as town. He once tried to get me launched in a newbie game for the use of "concerning" and "worries me". I was town.

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VOTE: Duppin
Well the spotlight is now on you.

Looking forward to an response.

actually I had not even noticed you had voted on me yet, so could you explain this? you townread me and scumread his slot, he presents a meta read on me that you refute yet you still vote me

He claimed he would be confirmed PR. That puts the pressure on him, if you flip town and he can't prove his role tommorow he is likely confirmed scum.

This is a bad idea outside of the confirmable PR thing, BM can very easily be wrong town here.

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Hey, BM, you normally actually do the meta on these kind of cases. You looked at the rate of my usage of "worries" and "concerns" in that newbie game. Why are you choosing to ignore evidence which suggests your case is completely invalid, or look into it yourself?

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lets do a popcorn giving readslists

@duppin your turn, take as long as you’d like, im off with some RL stuff for half an hour

Let's not. Especislly not right before a night phase where scum can use the information to make better nightkills.

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Hey, BM, you normally actually do the meta on these kind of cases. You looked at the rate of my usage of "worries" and "concerns" in that newbie game. Why are you choosing to ignore evidence which suggests your case is completely invalid, or look into it yourself?

effort man - unlike in your case where that was my only real argument, in this case it's one of many, and so doing a meta analysis ain't worth it.

If it's one of many, give the other arguments. You're fine with arguing with others for hours on end, but you're not bothered to put the effort in to case the other reasons?

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The combat wizard has arrived. Everyone brace for impact.

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Not voting duppin. Your push makes him look even more towny to me. His tone is right and I agree with all of his points, although it's probably not difficult to be right in this case when you're refusing to try and convince people and asking them to blindly sheep you instead.

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If people want to start voting/compromising, I'd recommend Redados. I think UNOwen's reasons are legit and his lack of reasons and then backpedal on both of his scumreads on shelly and Noraa is shady.

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Not voting duppin. Your push makes him look even more towny to me. His tone is right and I agree with all of his points, although it's probably not difficult to be right in this case when you're refusing to try and convince people and asking them to blindly sheep you instead.

Well yeah, and that's why i unvoted Duppin.
It's clear BM is just way over his head here but can't back down because he's already gone down this path.
Pretty sure it's mostly his ego talking right now.

If no one agrees with the "to be honest" case, there's no use engaging BM further on it until he decides to provide more. Otherwise, we're just clogging up the thread arguing in circles about BM not giving us anything else.

duppin, I'd recommend moving on yourself. Are you happy with where your vote is?

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Pls don't get distracted by bugspray. Yes, they look like obvscum, but again; this is just standard stuff for their town game and they're launched day 1 more often than they're not. They're very likely town this game for their early reads and their recounting of notes/thoughts a day or two ago.

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Imma be off at a lake most of the morning so dont expect my vote to change

If I die tonight, this one is lockscum btw

Why would you dying change your read on Noraa? You've stated many times she's town outside of this post.

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Redados. Seeing you and Norwee voting there together was bliss, but then you both moved to bugspray because bugspray was doing bugspray things.

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Please be nice to each other. That is all I ask. (-ω-)

Sorry! I guess this is directed towards my antagonistic avatar... dw, I'll find something else, Morning. Also, I was just about to post a wall outlining why Odd Day Jester is such a horrible person so you really came in clutch here.

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Im having a hard time not calling bugs scum rn hectic. I really am. It's a hot struggle.

I know, I know, but trust me on this one. I've played like 10 games with bugspray at this point and they really are hot launchbait. This is maybe the 2nd towniest they've ever been.

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Imma be off at a lake most of the morning so dont expect my vote to change

If I die tonight, this one is lockscum btw

Why would you dying change your read on Noraa? You've stated many times she's town outside of this post.

Would like you to address this, BM.

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I really don't want to launch bugspray, I think they're solid town. You'd understand if you had my knowledge or looked at their other games, Noraa. BM... is a little more complicated, I'm getting the feeling he's town so far since the wording case on duppin, and getting into these kind of fights is kinda town-indicative for him, so still don't want to launch there, but it'd be a lot more preferable over bugspray.

Why did you drop your reasons to suspect Redados? He scumread both of you/shelly, was questioned on these repeatedly and could not provide reasons, and now has admitted that he's cooled off on both of you when questioned about it more.

@BM:

Why'd you give up on pursuing duppin?

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Thinking Redados might not be a bad idea now honestly, I thought the "scum because of playstyle" caution was towny from him early on, but it seems he's committed to actually scumreading both of Noraa/shelly without ever explaining why.

Looking through his ISO, he's restated or acknowledged those scumreads like 10 or so different times, but not once has he mentioned

why

he scumreads them or given any reasoning despite repeatedly being prompted for it...maybe he doesn't actually have any reasons and is just rolling with the reads from early on? His wall in 1164 infact have a bunch of lines where he says shelly is being protown or that he agrees with something shelly has said, but then these come with no explanation:

P12 - I am scumreading ShellyC

Page 38 - I’m scumreading ShellyC.

Redados

help, WHY do you scumread shelly and Noraa?

This basically.

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was odj hectic and then he replaced in on his main?

yep

After seeing Shelly's reaction to my scumreads and her continued play, I don't scumread her anymore.

I've also cooled down on Noraa. I kept scumreading her because of her continued tunneling on me.

Why were you originally scumreading shelly?

She was behaving erratically and aggressively and going back in hindsight I think it was her push on Grendel that drove it.

And then when questioned by me further here, Redados failed to articulate why he found shelly scummy. He gave "aggressive" and "erratic" as reasons, but he's also already acknowledged that this is her playstyle and isn't a reason to scumread her: 399, 408, 779

Previously, he was saying he was scumreading her, but this may be because of her playstyle so he's cautious. Now, he's saying he scumreads her

because

of her playstyle.

In 2348, he fails to elaborate on why he didn't like her push on Grendel.

Now it's possible town!Redados is just tired of talking about a scumread which he really can't explain, because he doesn't understand why exactly himself, but it's also very possible that scum!Redados never had any real reasons to scumread shelly in the first place.

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Imma be off at a lake most of the morning so dont expect my vote to change

If I die tonight, this one is lockscum btw

Why would you dying change your read on Noraa? You've stated many times she's town outside of this post.

Would like you to address this, BM.

@BM:

Why'd you give up on pursuing duppin?

Respond to this when you're back,

Fire Sorcerer.

@Noraa:

What stops scum!Redados from admitting his read on you is all emotional if he can't substantiate it and people are pushing him for it?

Alright, I'm going back on my timeout chair.

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You'd understand if you had my knowledge

I laughed so hard at this. What a put down. :lol:

(knowledge of bugspray's meta)

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Imma be off at a lake most of the morning so dont expect my vote to change

If I die tonight, this one is lockscum btw

This post stood out when BM posted it. I thought it was nuts at the time. Guess we know what it meant.

VOTE: Noraa

I am terrified of Noraa...

We're gonna have an insane amount of associations to examine now.

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Looks like you guys have been hard at work. I don't know what Noraa's at but she'll probably self-hammer if she's at L-1. It might be worth using today to discuss a little more? Since all that'll happen if we talk tomorrow instead of today is that we'll have one less town voice.

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UNO activating operation CLATS?

I fee like megabyte paranoia about noraa isnt very partner-y but I’ll take more notice of what Dave has to say

I also liked that Dave found that post earlier incriminating Noraa further, but any scum might have started to consider bussing Noraa at that point.

Very likely that scum!Dave makes the assumption someone else would've found it. I remembered it from yesterday.

I don't think it's much town-cred for Dave, maybe just a spoonful.

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@hectic thoughts on the solve being exactly mundivore/UNO/noraa?

looking at UNO ISO aorn.

I'm gonna dig in when I'm free later tonight. Which is why I ask we give ourselves at least 1 or 2 days before hammering or allowing Noraa to hammer herself pls

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Thank you <3

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@hectic wanna talk about me and norways work?

aorn I believe the solve is mundivore/uno/noraa according to my ISO investigations

Yep, if you're still online in a few hundred minutes.

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Maybe Noraa should've gone for the 1-shot vig claim play where she claims to have shot BM and also received his friendly neighbour message. It might not be too late actually, Noraa, can you reveal your masterplan now?

(I'm joking around but you've played really well and it kinda sucks that you were accidentally caught because you were someone's top townread)

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Pretty sure PGOs aren't normal anymore, Plus

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Ja

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Although if Noraa wants to claim miller mason right now i'm all for it.

That brings back good memories lol

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okay so unless something weird happens today we already know who we are limming but it'd still like to point out vigi would not be the only explanation for this, another possibility could be a busdriver or something similar.

I like duppin for this because the last thing scum want to do right now is appear like they're soft defending Noraa who is definitely going down today.

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Although if Noraa wants to claim miller mason right now i'm all for it.

That brings back good memories lol

context?

Miller Mason

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Did you snipe my alt this time, Norwee? (In the game that just ended)

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Were you IKSF?

Nope, go again lol

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Do the wall, Noraa.

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Could you post your final reads on everyone if you are town?

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I was ralph %_%

I only read around 5% of the game until the final 2 day phases, where I tried to claw it back, but alas.

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Are you serious.

Yeah...

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lul I was afraid people would start doubting the genuineness of mispelling her name so often but it worked out

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Could you post your final reads on everyone if you are town?

You don't need to wall it for something like this, Noraa.

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Give a quick readlist then. Explanations are not necessary but short ones would be helpful.

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Thanks. Honestly, it might be a bit mean but I just wanted you to spew more reads/associations for us to look at.

Unsure how much value we can get out of these though, since Noraa

probably

knows she's going down by now....right?

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I'm rereading Jacko with the knowledge his scumgame is insane and I'm a lot less sure about that townread now.

Noraa is generally more stiff as scum because she's new, she's more loose here and she's probably Town.

This stands out.

I also have some doubts on his reaction to shelly supposedly revealing as IC way back then.

REVEAL AS INNOCENT CHILD

we were townVtown-ing all along.

This post really looks like a joke to me. Especially with the orange part.

Looking through Noraa's ISO, interestingly enough, she never gives a read there all the way up till his replaceout. She's plenty vocal on shelly but never weighs in on Jack or his side of the conflict, which is partner-indicative.

Oh, and then 981 comes out where she admits she doesn't have a read on Jack but is putting him in the townbook because she likes his personality. Yeah, that's not a good sign.

Once Dave replaces that slot, she doesn't ever state any kind of opinion on read on him, up and until 3232, which is just no comment, but that's a readlist that came after she should know she's going down, so whatever.

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I will do a wall dont you worry. I will also hard claim in that wall and include my explanation of why I did a few things.

can you give a preview

I'm not Noraa but I'm a big advocate of walls so I can try constructing one on her behalf.

I worked really hard on this one so please make sure you analyse the whole thing.

Spoiler:

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Hectic, I'm slightly confused by the last part of 3259.

4. PlusJOYED replaces JacksonVirgo
6. davesaz replaces MiniMegabyte

Whoops lol

I was ralph %_%

I only read around 5% of the game until the final 2 day phases, where I tried to claw it back, but alas.

what the fuck?

that was terrible spelling from you. btw thanks for calling scum!me obvtown

Ja, was a gimmick account. There was a period of 7 days where I posted once and was the only player to not roleclaim but people just didn't care apparently.

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Been a semi-habit since I started playing Secret Hitler

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Are you winning in this game?

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3010 is pretty good. That's kinda damning for Mundivore.

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with us getting one scum today and a PoE of {mundi UNK plusjoy} yeah, we’re doing well

So you think you're winning this game? Very sus.

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I'm 10-4 as scum this year #_#
And you thought you rolled scum often, Norwee.

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Oh wait, that's 11 now. My serial killer winrate is a lot less impressive.

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Did your face get excited because you can't wait for Noraa to show her true towny colours?

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And you thought you rolled scum often, Norwee.

Are you implying that you rolled scum in this game too?

Implying I've rolled scum a lot this yearvwhich is why I'm so jaded and constantly drinking coffee and grumpy and sonic.

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You're just jelly, shelly

Pedit: Exactly, you gotta use the avatar which represents the current vibe and lifestate. I'll know what's up when you pick something blue-eyed now

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Hang on a minute...

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What's the case on UNOwen? Reading through Noraa and Owen's ISOs, they interact and work with each other a reasonable amount, which would be unusual for scum partners. Noraa also opted to cool and switch off the Redados wagon support group when I was trying to push it, at a time where Redados was sus of

both

Noraa and UNOwen. I feel like scum!Noraa has a lot more motivation there to continue scumreading Redados when he's pinned down two of them.

shelly, did Noraa ever openly call you town or say she really agreed with you in Doggos?

[Hectic]

Now this is my kind of bat



Or maybe this one

[Hectic]

i was SRing the hell out of norwee but i don't see why he busses noraa here instead of going to me
i guess it is possible since bm was pretty clear cut
maybe UN/duppin

Why wouldn't scum!Norwee bus Noraa given the circumstances of it being kinda obvious who BM targeted, and it being

SHELLY

NORAA VS THE WORLD: Return of the World?

(Don't comment, Norwee. I want Plus to answer it)

[Hectic]

Unsure how I feel about this

[Hectic]

This new terminology and my association with it.

Can't I be a Weebgian instead? Sounds much better imo

[Hectic]

I want to say last 2 scum are in [Mundivore, PlusJOYED, davesaz] atm. With Mundivore looking a lot worse than the other two. Also, Plus and dave are never aligned based on Jacko and Mini's interactions early on, especially with the constant paranoia Mini was having on Jacko.

[Hectic]

UNVOTE: Noraa
No rush

I liked UNOwen giving up a place on the wagon to give me some time. There's town-motivation in wanting to stay on an outed scum wagon too despite people's request for more time, but going off one takes a lot more town-motivation than scum-motivation, since it's at the expense of some potential cred.

[Hectic]

duppin stayed behind

[Hectic]

Looking through Doggos, Noraa didn't work with you much though, did she? It looks more like pocketing here with how she was constantly agreeing with whatever he said, rather than someone tying themselves to a scum partner heavily.

[Hectic]

Lolol

UNVOTE: Redados
VOTE: bugspray

Why did you vote bugspray here, UNOwen?

[Hectic]

one thing I noticed about UNO/ydrasse was UNO talking around ydrasse / asking for other’s reads on Ydrasse without sorting ydrasse, and I see similar things with noraa here as well

Are you using...

META

??



That does sound pretty interesting though. Might have a look at that.

[Hectic]

Spoiler:

Norwee and Jester have been pretty against this redados wagon. I think they are both coming from a town perspective tho so I'm not too sure redados flipping red means they r scum

elaborate

why do you think Norway and jester are coming from a town perspective when they oppose your prefered wagon

This logic is trash. Ur telling me as long as they oppose my wagon, they r scum. wtf shelly.

how are people letting duppin get away with not explaining reads at all? everyone who posts about duppin seems to agree that the posts are bad, but theres no momentum towards the wagon, and immediately a shitty counterwagon forms on me.

duppin is 90% scum here.

can you actually *case* duppin for once
can you explain instead of saying that “they have no reads” which isn’t strictly AI

Ouch. ngl its kinda true tho

nuuuuu uno im coming back
VOTE: Redados

noraa stop being manipulated so easily if you’re town or we’ll have to policy you

also, a comment on PlusJoy
they’re LHF and my limbait in all scum games ive been in with them
but I still think the slot is scum because of Jackson

U dropped ur case on Jackson so many times that I dont even believe u there anymore. Im not being manipulated.

wtf? Why are u voting a really inactive slot now?
VOTE: Redados
ur so scummy its unbelievable

didnt you "not want plus to accidentally hammer a townie"
weird as fuck switch

this logic is so flawed I dont even understand how they have anything to do with each other.

VOTE: mundivore
there is too much content for me to read but i checked activity overview and noticed that mundivore has even fewer posts than me which I find unthinkable considering how low volume my posting has been

ur saying we should give u a pass for being inactive but not Mundi?

the vote has deeper reasons, i did a quick iso skim and i felt the ping a few times, i think if saud is not lying about depression and is indeed town then the wagon's long lasting momentum was almost certainly supported by scum that want to make townies waste their precious thinking time on a wagon that they don't expect anyone to actually hammer. it reminds me of reservoir dogs ddu (where i was mr pink) how i kept tring to roleplay that the rats (scum) were just yap yapping and preventing meaningful discussion from taking place

this is weak. very. very. weak.

i need to actually look at the saude wagon and not just do this pointless vote VOTE: unvote

pedit
which scumgame?

Why did you refer to a game in which I was town as "my scumgame"?
VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

why you keep flip flopping?

joyed you’re not the centre of the universe. I read the norway/joyed intersection as TvS or SvS-ish probably due to the absence of actual SOLVING and instead you two just go “NO U!” at each other

Norway is probably town and jackjoyed is probably scum there

mmm no. Explain.

Holy fuck what happened while I was gone. After catching up I think I dont like bugs anymore. VOTE: Bugs

Bugs comes back after a hot break and accuses Mundi for doing the EXACT SAME DAMN THING(coasting) He then unvotes rq and switches to the largest wagon(Taylors) for ??? reason

Lolol

UNVOTE: Redados
VOTE: bugspray

Okay. I want to say this is more -partnerEquity. Partners voting together like this is very unsual for the simple reason it looks really sus later. Which in turn actually makes it a smart play... but the meta isn't so deep enough into these layers that this aspect is relevant or something that needs to be played around so much, at least concerning UNOwen and Noraa who aren't seasoned veteran, and probably won't be using stuff like this to manipulate suckers like Odd Day Jester.

[Hectic]

I couldn't tell if Plus is joking or not in that post ?_?

[Hectic]

Are you always this confused Plus

[Hectic]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the scum doc thing, but yeah, there's just no way.

[Hectic]

I'm kinda ready to end this day tbh. Do people want to do anything else or we ready to go?

[Hectic]

Alright whatever, let's just proceed.

VOTE: Noraa

It's interesting that Noraa is desperately trying to survive another day phase when it probably means Mundivore would be the launch today. Unsure how much I should let that factor in.

[Hectic]

Would rather just pin this now rather than risk Noraa drawing out a claim from a trigger happy real vig or the like.

[Hectic]

(Do not claim for obvious reasons if you exist)

[Hectic]

Now to determine if that implies town!Plus since Noraa has probably been discussing this plan in the scum PT, or scum!Plus who knows we'll reach that conclusion so is intentionally dumbslipping.

Plus, how did you even confuse BM for Tayl0r? Noraa brings up BM a lot in that post.

[Hectic]

Nah, i don’t think vig is a particurarly great role.

>_>

[Hectic]

It definitely won't annoy Morning

[Hectic]

What's your favourite cuisine?

[Hectic]

Chinese is decent but I'd put it more at mid tier personally.

Like it'd probably be Dr. Mario or maybe Samus on a good day on this tier list.

[Hectic]

I'd give a lot to eat a lot of dishes from Japanese restaurants again.
Japanese tonkatsu curry rice is so good.

Norweeabo

I concur though, Japanese food would probably be Captain Falcon or Marth on a good day.

[Hectic]

Weebgian is making me hungry

[Hectic]

Hectic u should get the gif of Mario eating turd cookies :3

I forgot that was a scumtell for you. Dw, I won't fail to use it in the next one.

[Hectic]

oh shit i wanna slippi with you now

lol you'd wreck me, I'm a degenerate who's moved to Ultimate and left Melee behind for the streams and tournaments

[Hectic]

Bat Fact #20:
im running low on bat facts

what

[Hectic]

You will be avenged, Norwee.

[Hectic]

I don't allow "Bah" posts in my ruleset. -MT

It's okay, everyone. I managed to see this before it was edited by our bat overlord.

This is what it said:

"What the duck did you just ducking say about me, you little self-voter? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Forum Academy, and I’ve been involved in secret raids on skitter-Dannflor hydras, and I have over 300 confirmed mislaunches. I am trained in WIFOM and I’m the top OMGUSer in the entire mafiascum community. You are nothing to me but just another lolhammer. I will Preview-Edit you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this website mark my words. You think you can get away with saying shit to me over the Internet? Think again, ducker. As we speak I am contacting my network of alt-accounts across my computer and your name is being voted for right now so you better prepare for the storm, duffer. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your account. You’re ducking dead, newbie. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can modkill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my Noraa account. Not only am I extensively trained in ISO analysis, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Semi-Experienced playerbase and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your ass off the face of this RVS, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. You didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn MyLo. I will IIoA all over you and you will drown in EBWOP. You’re ducking dead, Norwee."

[Hectic]

VOTE: Mundivore

Let's hear your scumpool and why, clown-killer.

[Hectic]

(L-2)

[Hectic]

I think Bugspray is pretty likely town now.

This looks like the gunsmith n1 check crumb. This read comes out of nowhere and there's no talk of bugspray on this page.

[Hectic]

Yeah, it's close to the start of the day 2, and it doesn't' really make sense for Norwee to otherwise spontaneously say that. I think bugspray's clear.

[Hectic]

Nah, I think it's important in this case that the thread recognises bugspray is clear, rather than risk no one spotting it on a future day if I'm dead.

[Hectic]

We either no launch, or massclaim if we're launching. You always massclaim before a launch that could potentially end the game.

Optimal play here would be no launch, you should always no launch on even numbers, even if you have no PRs - I feel pretty strongly about this as a standard practice thing. Even though it might mean I probably just get killed, I don't mind because I'm sick right now (got covid again), so I'll be on low power mode.

I like duppin's suspicion of me based on pointing our bugspray's clear. In reality, I am aware of how incredibly launchbaity town!bugspray is, and I wanted to make sure it wouldn't happen in this game, because even despite that Norwee post, I could see it happen based on what bugspray posted (no offense, love you).

I still want to say UNOwen isn't scum for the way he voted with Noraa on bugspray on day(?), and his self-meta evidencing he usually tries to stay away from his partners, voting on opposite wagons if anything.

That leaves [Plus, Dave, duppin, shelly]. I agree with the general sentiment that Dave + Plus would be really weird and suicidal if it was the case. The world in which they take that quickhammer is one in which they're really afraid Mundi can turn the reason on themself around, and then they're in the firing line, which is an okayish theory.
Thing is, dave's vote almost

intentionally

looks scummy with the unannounced L-1 and lack of reasons. Like, you often see when scum quickhammer together, they still give a bunch of reasons just in case it would fail. But Dave didn't bother, probably because he wasn't expecting Plus to hammer it, so didn't realise how bad it would look or care to make it look a little better. Plus was aware it was a hammer when he voted, so there's no reason for scum!Dave to leave out the L-1 bit for example.

Plus, why did you hammer without caring for a claim from Mundi?

shelly, why did Dave's unannounced L-1 shock you so much, but Plus's hammer left you unphased?

[Hectic]

Dave who do you think is scum?

My current scumreads are Noraa and Mundivore.
Slight scumlean on you.

I had a scumread on Mundivore. Never got much opportunity to elaborate.

Is this all you have to comment on Dave? What are your scumreads now?

[Hectic]

Sometimes the UTR turns out to be a wolf though, which is why it's always optimal to no launch. I just had a large game in mylo where I convinced everyone to no launch because I wasn't sure about the person everyone thought was town, and lo and behold, they didn't die in the night and claimed a guilty on me (I was town). I got mislaunched but at least we stood a chance there rather than losing for sure in the mylo.

I've felt burnt out and less enthusiastic about mafia across the whole site, duppin, so don't associate changes in my motivation with being relevant with my alignment, because it really isn't.

I was thinking shelly and Plus for a bit there because of shelly's contrast in treating dave's L-1 vote and Plus's hammer, and her heavy defence of him here, but then I reminded myself of the shelly and Jacko interactions which are just never SvS £_£
Still want to hear reasoning from you though, shelly.

[Hectic]

Also I hope you feel better as soon as possible and I obviously understand that it might affect your play

Thanks

[Hectic]

My first night impressions were that Plus was obviously scum for the lolhammer, and that it came with the benefit of linking himself with town!Dave if we did launch Plus the next day.

When I saw shelly defending I was seriously thinking it must be the solve, but now I've seen the Jacko/shelly interactions again, and shelly's heavy defence gives me pause.

[Hectic]

If you look through Plus's ISO, he doesn't actually explain why he scumread Mundi or give any independent reasons, he just thinks Mundi is strongly scum and says he thought there was an "agenda pushed there"

personally
my solve is looking like mundi/dave and their team is in shambles
mundi's day 2 iso upon reread also looks pretty bad, i think there was an

agenda pushed there

his day 1 play did kinda remind me of how he was when he was a tracker in that game.

What agenda, Plus?

[Hectic]

Sigh, I'm now in the mindset of "I have to force myself to solve and do some ISO reading or they're going to be sus of me because I'm not doing as much as I used to", which is quite unpleasant and makes this feel a lot more like an obligation rather than something that's fun. I'm not going to force myself, sorry, I'll just do what I feel like doing

[Hectic]

I had a very strong suspicion that mundi was scum after reading his iso. I thought it would be better to hammer there then give them a chance to change the wagon with their partner if the solve wasn't (mundi,dave) so it wouldn't result in a mislim.

Literally the entire game was set on killing Mundi. UNOwen asked "does anyone disagree that Mundi should be tomorrow's elim?" or something along those lines the previous day even, and literally no one objected. There's no reason to believe or fear the vote was suddenly going to swing and people would change their minds, enough to cause you to end the day immediately like that. I'm struggling to believe it.

[Hectic]

Oo, that's good. Noraa not commenting on the Plus wagon at all and focusing on bugspray is really partner-indicative.

[Hectic]

I'm currently thinking Plus + ???

Not duppin because of the above probably.
Not shelly because of Jacko interactions, but I will reread those.
Not UNOwen because of him linking himself to Noraa and voting with her.

Sooooo dave??????? It's possible, but the easy solve makes me very uneasy.

Whatever, the important thing to day is launching the most scummy candidate, think about partners on the next day.

[Hectic]

i keep going back to the dave/plus being the last two and it really is the most simple solve i think but does feel a bit too easy, but this is definitely wher i am at

Exactly what I'm thinking right now

[Hectic]

shelly, do you retract or stand by your claim?

[Hectic]

I feel like it's shaping to be shelly + Plus or duppin + Dave from my PoV. I think UNOwen is just town.

[Hectic]

If shelly sticks with the claim then I'm inclined to believe her over duppin but I am expecting this to be some sort of gambit.

Hang on, why would you voice this sentiment out loud? If shelly is scum, you've given her a green light to fakeclaim a guilty and win today with this.

[Hectic]

My gutreads at the moment ignoring all assocations are:

dupping/UNOwen
shelly/Plus
Dave

It's weird. duppin still pings heavily as town to me, just in all of his thoughts and the way he's pushing for stuff to happen. Plus's response to me I found fairly good. Dave just hasn't done enough today and doesn't seem to have any interest in solving this.

Now, when you add associations and potential team stuff, it gets more complicated. I'll definitely dedicate some time into rereading interactions between Noraa and co before the deadline is upon us. I suspect it'll be fruitful.

[Hectic]

shelly you agreeing/TRing me is scaring me a lil not gonna lie lol. Like your gonna flip out and tunnel me when I least expect it.
I'm just used to being mislimed by you but given way town is acting scum!shelly could pretty easily win by pushing me.

How does scum!shelly treat her partners? Have you ever seen scum!shelly treat a partner like she's treating you right now?

[Hectic]

I want to say more, but I really want to see shelly come back and confirm/deny the guilty first. Why did you drop that and then go afk and not care to reply to duppin's instant rebuttal, shelly? You were active elsewhere.

[Hectic]

It's shelly/duppin + dave. shelly isn't scum with Plus because of meta and Jacko interactions. duppin isn't scum with Plus because that's where he was gunning for before the guilty was claimed.
Still don't think it's UNOwned, but please do something more and weigh in on this please.

shelly, show us where you crumbed night 3 tracker.
My immediate instinct is to believe duppin and call this a shelly + Dave team going for the win today. shelly not wanting to no launch is a really, really bad look for her, and reminds me so much of Jacko from the large game we just finished.

[Hectic]

Also, I'm gonna be absolutely kicking myself for catching and being so confident on scum!shelly early on, but then talking myself out of it like a duffer.

[Hectic]

Night 3 tracker huh
I wanna give shelly the benefit of the doubt but the fact that its gated to night 3 only and shelly had any doubt in their mind that there was a tracker miller is strange. Most of the time millers claim day 1 and I'm 99% sure we have no miller in this setup given duppins response.

Yeah, exactly, shelly debating and being fearful duppin is a "track miller" is really unnatural, considering duppin is obviously not claiming it and would've said so eons ago. It's not a genuine thought process.

[Hectic]

Yo
To cash in her towncred and save scum-buddy Dave from being launched today? She
really should've just bussed though and won the next day, this is the confusing thing.

[Hectic]

And to win today ofc. Why is the claim in particular flimsy in your opinion? Oh, because her track target is very strange? That's a good point too, weigh in on this as well, shelly.

Pedit: If she claimed ungated tracker, I'd be very unlikely to believe her. Not when we already have a flipped ungated gunsmith and an ungated Rolestopper. That's too much follow the cop style power with an ungated tracker thrown in the mix.

[Hectic]

Anyway, yeah, no launch for sure today. Hold off on further claims until tomorrow etc etc

Don't want to end the day just yet though. Want go do some more rereading and post my thoughts before my semi-likely untimely demise.

[Hectic]

shelly, if I made a larger version of your avatar for you, would you use it?

[Hectic]

I realised I never properly apologised to redados.

Redados, if you are reading on from the afterlife, I am sorry. You were the best Charmander XL I've ever seen in my life.

[Hectic]

So, reading through page 1 of shelly's ISO, she starts off strong in pushing Noraa, scumcases her early game in 135

Noraa is still scum

town!Noraa is a lot more... honest. and idk natural?

I don't entertain counterfactuals, sorry

I have noraa as lockscum aorn and nothing else

She's pretty confident at this point.

I'm going to untunnel noraa for a bit and start pressuring different slots

"Untunnels" here.

reads
Saude town - similar to their towngame, disagreeable and not afraid to push reads
Bugspray town - The early read on noraa and opening felt townie
duppin town - UTR doesn't seem scum driven
Jester null - wondering if the early TR on me was a pocket and then pivoting after I started baiting
Noraa scumlean - slimy, self conscious, but tbh I might come around to town!noraa especially with scum!jv
Jackson scum - perspective slipped when they reacted to my bait, and just bullshitting using meta

Reads
shellyc
Saudade Redados
{Jester} - cannot sort jester, this slot is very confusing with townie posts one second and scum posts the next
Bugspray Megabyte duppin
Noraa JV

Can you please hold my hand like im a small child and talk me through the reads you have on one another.

yes

Jackson perspective slipped when I tried to bait and TMI'd that I was town therefore scum
Noraa is self aware and has very artificial reads and isn't solving therefore scum
jester is a big null
megabyte's paranoia reads genuine
red's reads are cool and good logical trajectories + genuine
saude is town for meta reasons and for aggro pushing on people. isn't afraid to stand out with mini vote either

why tf would I make the whole plist hate me

yeah why would you do that.
Seriously.

because I believe my reads are right and am trying to get scum (i.e. jackson, noraa, grendel) limmed

Continues to call Noraa scum, but is not focused on pushing her or casing her.

i feel like redados / Noraa is pretty much either TvT or scum theatre

Then, this stance comes out. This is a bad sign, since it gives scum!shelly a good way to pivot off of her Noraa scumread because redados will inevitably flip town. This stance was never explained and still makes no sense to me, it's just illogical and I have no idea you could have the feeling of something being TvT OR SvS but never TvS. TvTs look natural and genuine. SvSs look unnatural and fake. They're contrasting opinions, yet shelly has formed this stance regardless, and the weirdness of it might be explained because she's using it to let herself change her mind on Noraa later on.

[Hectic]

Page 2 of sheeeelly's ISO

Noraa if you're town can you please stop with the BS and fluffposting and actually try to solve this game?

Shelly is shelly and always is aggressive.

I wanna make that my signature so much

regarding that response it seems like noraa's trying to fill up space with words, kinda fence sitty and agreeable with me + jester reads

noraa's used the word “idk” a horrific amount of times, anyone else getting scumpings

shelly continues to shade Noraa, but never pushes her.

hm I am going to be honest Noraa, if you are town you are mislynch bait.

60% of your posts are fluff and the rest of your play is just reactionary which I'd normally consider to be a scumtell. You're not really doing anything proactive whatsoever, the readlist you just gave before gives the impression you're not really trying to figure out peoples alignment (like mixing me and bugspray up at this point is really weird to me). It doesnt really feel like youre putting in an effort to solve peoples alignment, however I am not convinced you are scum at all as this could indeed just come from a new player as well but yea if you are town then I sincerely hope you can be a bit more proactive

yay someone finally thinks noraa is fluffposting and fence sitting

noraa's probably TSTBS? but if they're a mislim waiting to happen i guess policy-ing them wouldnt be too bad of a thing to do

And then, this post comes out and Noraa is now too scummy to be scum apparently. And she'd only want to launch her if it was policy. This 180 is wiiiiiiiiild, and there's no progression for it.

Huh, but then interestingly, Noraa is back in the scumpool, but again, shelly doesn't care to push her, stating "she's probably not happening today" as reasoning:

I'm heartbroken mundivore

I am fine with voting {grendel noraa jackson} and {saude} after they come back from their vla

is anyone getting stronger and stronger scumpings on noraa

and can someone actually case saude for once instead of "oh hes been inactive" + "META"

because noraa isn't happening today probably

I could waste energy scumcasing you but people will just ignore it as I have godawful casing skills
I want to use my vote somewhere decent
scumpings = doubs, tbh I think edados > you in terms of scumminess aorn

Readslist:
Noraa - Scummy overall, fence-sitting play and unwilling to take hard stances or provide much game advancing content, constant spammy + fluffy posts (though they tunnelled someone in Newbie 2028 as scum??)
Mundivore - Vibe with the attempt to push the game, gut leans town there but trajectory from saude to redados kinda pings? Null
bugspray - Attempt to push noraa feels very genuine solving, real effort to push us out of RVS. Town but need to see more
JacksonVirgo - I stand by my case but ive been mulling over this. I'm kinda conflicted here since i might consider a town!jackson who thinks im town bullshitting and will reconsider over the next few days especially when the replacement comes in.
duppin - early UTR doesn't read scum-driven so im willing to townpass this. Town + clear thought processes
MiniMegabyte - If saude is red this is almost lockgreen, but overall they display authentic town paranoia so im townlean here
Tayl0r Swift replaces Grendel - Grendel plays the rational mediator in the shelly vs world conflict, tries to shade everyone, and their actions dont line up with their thoughts. taylor v noraa doesn't really seem like scum theatre so this had me rethinking but gut leans scum.
Odd Day Jester - I'm starting to get heavy townpings on their attempts to lead and solve. they arent afraid with going against the grain and are actually attempting to further a town agenda
Saudade - idk i dont really vibe with the meta scumcase on them but its true that they have been less active but I don't scumread people for RL reasons. I want to see an actual case here because this is a big null
Redados - Scummy, upon reread their ISO fence-sitting really pings me as real scummy BUT Noraa + Taylor are on this wagon so if a red redados flip will retink the two
UNOwen - I vibe with their thought processes, clear logic, and they overall seem to really want to solve in their posting
NorwegianboyEE - Gut reads town here. interaction with jackson warrants a reread later but im townlean here since their ISO looks decent

@redados so you're null on taylor?

noraa's subtly shading me
what if this whole thing redadosvnoraa was scum theatre

VOTE: Noraa

I kinda think noraa's scummier than redados based off the reactions, noraa just seems insincere moreso than redados. i think redados IIOA is still scummy. considering scum theatre possibility

Goddamit it, why would you vote Noraa here, shelly. suddenly, the whole distancing but never pushing theory is thrown out of the window.

Still on page 2. Splitting this up into multiple posts.

[Hectic]

redados wanna search uno's ISO for the word Noraa? I can see fireworks ticking off

oooooooooh check noraa's ISO for the word UNO

this is amazing

pedit: noraa/taylor/uno vibing together so much sets off alarms as to how someone is deep pocketed

shelly, what changed from this stance? Recently, you've been calling UNOwen town for the same reasons I have, but the reasons I'm giving for him being town (voting and associating himself with Noraa) are actually the reasons you thought he was scum before.

[Hectic]

I think its absolutely possible shelly and noraa are scum buddies

here's a fake quote from the scum thread that I'm making up

hello i am shelly lmao hey noraa love u okies lets just fucking spam a lot and makes a bunch of posts and argue with each other so that nobody else can read the game

omg hello yes i am noraa your scum partner and that is a good diea lets just fucking make this goddamn game unplayable!

shellyc sounds like she is spitballing right now and waiting to see which ones stick (aka townies give some cred it) so that she can push them forther and then get the yummy win

[Hectic]

shelly, did you crumb tracker on day 1/2/3? 2037 does not count for obvious reasons. Do you normally crumb PRs?

Why did you decide to track duppin last night over all of the other options? Dave/Plus/UNOwen is what your scumpool was yesterday.

[Hectic]

I guess shelly could've been bussing Noraa because the gamestate had Noraa at a nearly universal townread, so nothing shelly could've done or said would cause Noraa any harm.

[Hectic]

Yeah, the way she overreacted to Dave's L-1, but was unphased by Plus's hammer might be TMI, and her inclination to be harsher to her scum buddies, while knowing Plus is town and going for the pocket angle instead.

[Hectic]

We should probably execute in shelly/duppin today and then no launch tomorrow.

[Hectic]

We should probably execute in shelly/duppin today and then no launch tomorrow.

And by this, I mean execute shelly.

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shelly stating in a previous post that she'll be nightkilled which would confirm duppin as scum so get him tomorrow is just so, so illogical and bad, I really don't believe town!her thinks that for a second. It's probably just a fabricated thought, just like the 20 others I've noticed but called too scummy to be scum because I'm stupid.

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Anyway, yeah, no launch for sure today. Hold off on further claims until tomorrow etc etc

fine

no lynch and i die get duppin
or if its a no kill i'll still say get duppin

VOTE: duppin
ugh if y'all want to no elim instead of voting confscum, fine, but when I die this will be proven true. actually from a scum!duppin its best to kill hectic/no kill so they win the 1v1 against me unless their partner is powerwolfing

She says "actually" eventually but having the thought in the first place is just... not possible for any townie which thinks about it for more than 2 seconds. There is a claimed guilty, 1 of the two of them is scum. Scum kills the person claiming a guilty on them to confirm themselves as scum??? No. This is not a genuine thought. This is fake bravado which scum like to throw out, like "watch when I die, kill this person" kind of thing.

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I guess I'll wait for shelly to answer my questions in the unlikely event she's town and can convince me otherwise, but I'm voting shelly very likely.

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We could, but just promise me you launch shelly if I'm dead. Honestly, it's mostly selfish reasons that I die and then shelly manages to escape.

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It doesn't make any difference if we don't have any useful PRs left.
If we do have useful PRs left, we should no launch.

Of course, talking about the PRs and claiming would defeat the purpose. So Plus is correct, we should no launch

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The counterpoint is to launch today because she might be a scum PR and can make use of that PR tonight (whether it be rolecop/strongman/roleblocker).

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Why aren't you voting for shelly?

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shellys scumgame is very good but her towngame is questionable.
Do we massclaim?

Exactly, if she was town, she probably would've been the day 1 or 2 launch, and you wouldn't be liking her for town. This logic is point for scum!shelly, not against.

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shellys scumgame is very good but her towngame is questionable.
Do we massclaim?

Nah, no need. Unless there's other information which there obviously isn't since it hasn't been outed.
Massclaim happens tomorrow.

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shellys scumgame is very good but her towngame is questionable.
Do we massclaim?

This is why I'm afraid to die, Plus. I'm like 80/20 on shelly/duppin and who the scum is. I mean, "track miller", really? That's another fabricated thought process that no town has there.

I should compile a list of them across the game.

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lol I just realised I replied to the same post 3 times. What am I even doing

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That's another fabricated thought process that no town has there.

I should compile a list of them across the game.

you love meta right

you know clearly that my scumgame is measured and sensible, maybe even more logical than towngame
towngame is emotional and impulsive and all over the place

do you think me who makes reads and thoughts emotionally = consistent logic
as either alignment it is not easy for me to provide coherency in my thoughts

Really? I thought it was the complete opposite. Your town game is more chill/less aggressive but you have weird reads that get you launched.

Your scum game is really aggressive and a lot more confident, you still have the weird reads but people like them more when it comes with that tone.

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I guess shelly could've been bussing Noraa because the gamestate had Noraa at a nearly universal townread, so nothing shelly could've done or said would cause Noraa any harm.

why do I randomly bus a UTR scum

when they're not likely to get flipped

its -ev to bus UTR scum. i am like blatantly obviously not scum with noraa

Not really true, bussing UTR scum if you can make it look genuine is great for distancing.

I do wonder why you were the only person to continue suspecting Noraa when everyone else had her as probtown.

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She says "actually" eventually but having the thought in the first place is just... not possible for any townie which thinks about it for more than 2 seconds. There is a claimed guilty, 1 of the two of them is scum. Scum kills the person claiming a guilty on them to confirm themselves as scum??? No. This is not a genuine thought. This is fake bravado which scum like to throw out, like "watch when I die, kill this person" kind of thing.

exactly
as town I dont think twice before I post, really I do stream of consciousnesses a LOT of times

Based on time stamps in your other games, I'm pretty sure you do stream of consciousness/post without you think as both alignments.

Give me s town game where you're pushed for similar "no way these thoughts are genuine" reasons.

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ALSO Noraa was really aggressive this game, and a little more ragey than usual, it kind of surprised me but I chalked it up to her being fired up for the game or whatever.

But you what'd explain that shift? A scum-shelly-partner coaching and teaching her about her signature aggressiveness.

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How does a 1-shot tracker find conftown when there are presumably two scum left?

slip that theres 3 scum?

I dont think before posting. soft confirms are a thing as well, UNO.

Not thinking before posting is why you scumslip and say things you shouldn't be saying so much. All 13 player normals have 3 scum. Were you playing this game on the assumption there were 2 or 3 scum?

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(who she claimed would be the best kill for me which is just absurd if hectic is town).

Who would the best kill for you be if you were scum with Dave?

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Not thinking before posting is why you scumslip and say things you shouldn't be saying so much. All 13 player normals have 3 scum. Were you playing this game on the assumption there were 2 or 3 scum?

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no

This game has 3 scum, I apologise if you're 2/3 number-blind. I didn't mean to bring up such a touchy topic.

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It's not a scumslip, but it's something you shouldn't be paranoid about. It's like how since you're informed, you're trying to go too far the other way and make it seem you're not by calling people who're assuming there's 3 scum informed and scum. Also, people have been forming scumteams on the basis that there's 3 scum for the entire game before that UNOwen post, why did those not catch your eye but suddenly now UNOwen's is a scumslip?

This isn't because you're trying to get UNOwen launched or anything, it's because you're now trying to appear uninformed.

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lol I'm pretty sure shelly is scum. The hard part now is convincing Plus to vote there if he's town (which he likely is).

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also i dont mean this in a condescending way at all, but i really think you made a couple if big mistakes with your claim. this might be hindsight, but i really think you should have retracted the claim when i asked you to because i think that would wouldve likely won you the game. I understand that youre probably just going to call out this comment for whatever reasons and thats fair, but between the two of us you i just wanted to tell you that this is an area i think you should work on. it sounds super condescending actually but its not really not my intention

I am amazed by this if you're scum

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The only thing which puts doubt on this is why shelly is claiming a guilt on DUPPIN rather than Plus (or Dave if he's not actually scum). I guess UNOwen's and Plus's reactions egged her on? They looked like they would believe shelly over duppin.

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also i dont mean this in a condescending way at all, but i really think you made a couple if big mistakes with your claim. this might be hindsight, but i really think you should have retracted the claim when i asked you to because i think that would wouldve likely won you the game. I understand that youre probably just going to call out this comment for whatever reasons and thats fair, but between the two of us you i just wanted to tell you that this is an area i think you should work on. it sounds super condescending actually but its not really not my intention

I am amazed by this if you're scum

how in the world
is giving advice to someone town!AI

This kind of thought is pretty impressive if it's faked. It's not in many player's scumranges, especially the "it sounds super condescending actually but its not really not my intention" at the end. Or more importantly, it's hard to fake while making it look genuine, and it really looks genuine here.

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oh the hectic thing. I meant not until after this day phase
Actually, Hectic was my strongest TR, and I was trying to bait scum into not nightkilling them when we get to 3 man lylo. But now I'm like, genuinely unsure since we disagree on whose scum in the 1v1

Yeah, I got this feeling which is why I didn't mention it at all.

I really do think shelly is scum though, Plus. She's pocketed you and is way too confident you're town, it's TMI. Her being "dumb" is not because she's dumb, it's because those thoughts are fake.

@shelly: Why didn't you claim the guilty straight away?

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UNOwen, do you scumread duppin over shelly?

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I feel like we shouldn't be launching either until Dave comes back though. If we agree that both of shelly/duppin are most likely scum with Dave, it might just be optimal to launch there instead.

Plus is not scum, just based on content now.
UNOwen not scum due to associations.

We kill Dave? He has no motivation to solve while everyone else is very engaged, probably just scum.

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Maybe we should massclaim after all to see how viable shelly's role is with the rest of the setup...
I'm kind of tempted, maybe we can just see if it fits.

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If there was another investigative/information gathering role, they really should've claimed by now, since shelly or there role is too much power for town, so I'm going to wager a guess we don't have any more of those.

I don't think there's any harm in massclaiming here.

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LET'S MASSCLAIM

Starting with Dave, so we might have to wait a while.

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You're not confident in me? Plus/UNOwen both want you over shelly, it'd be the easiest thing in the world for a me/shelly team to win right now.

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Weak neighbour type roles have clearly rubbed off on you, Morning.

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I'm kind of struggling to understand how I'm still your paranoia read after gunning for shelly so much with you.

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That's ignoring context though. The context here is that the rest of the players want to kill you. scum!me is actively trying to dissuade them to kill you, and to kill my partner, instead of just taking the win?

You're actually giving me doubts now lol

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UNOwen, do you scumread duppin over shelly?

Nah, I'm now leaning towards shelly as the scum here but I'm struggling to understand her motive. Mainly waiting for dave to surface so we can see what he has to say.

Executing outside the 1v1 seems a bad idea, even if it has a high chance of success. I'm ok with a massclaim though.

Okay, cool.

Let's hope we get a deadline extension if he doesn't resurface.

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*2

Trying to figure out where people are while I hard bus my partner and try and convince them she's scum in the 1v1? I'm trying to understand if you really believe scum!me would make things this unnecessarily difficult for myself.

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4 to launch with 6 alive. shelly and I are two. We'd need 2 others.

lol I'd love to be confident enough in my scumgame to flex like that

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Oh, 3 others INCLUDING my partner. IC.

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i also said earlier that my paranoia was based on the fact that you initially seemed to be lurking more earlier on in mylo while posting else where which made me lean towards you waiting to see what people were going to do

This is was one of the bigger reasons I've liked you as town. Doing the research to see where people are posting, and constantly prodding me to come back to the thread and how you can see me posting elsewhere.