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Hi Plus and Johnnyyy!

VOTE: Not_mafia

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Possibly except I haven’t gotten the time to finish it yet, also will wait for more posting data to come later on in the game.

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VOTE: nopoint

Scum love to rile up animus against trolls.

What makes you think it was a serious vote?

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You could spend the time to find a better avatar

Sacrilege! don't mess with k-pop bro

If anyone is familiar with Johnny they should tell me if his behavior is indicative of anything

Right now his questions seem preemptive that gives me pause

I was scum partner with Johnny on our last game and I can say that his behavior is so far very different but not sure if that's AI considering he knows I'm in this game.

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So far, I like unwd and shelly's posts seems like they are trying to solve.

Johnny is more aggressive and lurks much more in his scum game, so leaning town.

So this is how shelly plays as town

THIS
VOTE: Dunnstral

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What makes you certain he is town?

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SO you're 100% Shelly is town 4 pages in? And it's not because you have the knowledge?

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Still trying to wrap my head around that but no luck .. Need a linguist here. Sounds more like it’s coming from someone who has prior knowledge that Shelly is town.

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And how exactly is that?

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So this is how shelly plays as town

This sentence implies prior knowledge that Shelly is in fact town. I simply caught what I thought is a slip and voted you, I didn't bring up more reasons.

That's attributing a strength to my read that I haven't expressed

This is bs. There is no read or strength attribution, you simply commented on your realization of how Shelly plays as town. Please show me how is that expressing town read?

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Pointedly self-assured and unwilling to compromise for his own ideals

It's only scum when he breaks that mold in ways that give him thread brownie points

This isn't how he's acting at all and it's weird how you're defending him with it.

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83 is an implied read, I'm not sure how you see it as a slip instead

There is a real fine line between making implied reads and subconsciously blurting out prior knowledge.

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Maybe it was .. but it still really pings me the wrong way as I explained

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unwnd and nopoint: what do you think of each other?

nopoint, despite you thinking unwnd's early posting as townie, has unwnd's passionate defense of dunn changed your mind?

No not really, still think unwnd's earlier postings were pretty town and I just wanted him to expand on his defense

I think right now I have suspension of disbelief with some of the arguments being said. You have a lot of them seeped into essentially good faith (just trust me bro vibes) but that seems pretty par for the course early on. I find Dunn null despite my defense of him, and maybe tilted my head just a little bit when he made p#105. The problem with nopoint I have is that he is arguing with the same process he is. It reads to me like a potential scum who didn't have prior thoughts so they just defaulted to turning the original argument against his attacker

VOTE: nopointcatchingup

can you explain more on this? Specifically what you mean by prior thoughts, original argument and who's my attacker?

yes its understandable

so you think nopoint isn't convinced about what he's putting forward and therefore is not from an uninformed pov
can you quote specific posts that lead you to this impression because i don't think acting in a consistent way is indicative of not being convinced?

I wasn't even that aggressive really, just reading into something that apparently no one seems to see. It's like when you get mad pings and you didn't realize what was going on until you look closely into it. I also did give dunn a chance to explain and tried to understand his perspective so it's rather unfair here to say I didn't care about his defense.

VOTE: nopointactingup

This a serious vote tm

Weeee

Nopo started the game with a levity that was uncharacteristic of last time I saw him (scum) but then dove in on dunn in a way that I didn't love.

Yo I'm town this time. If you are too then the K-pop bois gotta stick togetha

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

You know what's actually scummier than my self vote.

UNVOTE: Flavor Leaf

A Self Unvote.

Keeping a fos on dunn but would like to see where this goes.
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I didn’t see anybody ask you, so I’ll do it: what differences do you see between Johnny’s game when you played with them as Scum and this game?

Johny was much more lurky, snarky and identified more people as scum-reads in the other game. He replaced in though so I'm not sure if that played a role but for now I have a good town-lean.

I mean, I appreciated it

Right now I think both nopoint and Flavor are suspicious, I was waiting to see what else nopoint had to say but they seem to have vacated the thread which looks kind of scummy here

I'm posting this at 3 pm cuz I didn't want to get forced replaced. I should have VLA-ed

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3 a.m* really fucking tired

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could ride another one, would like to see people's thoughts about that self-vote-unvote actually

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can you like quote it?

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So I’m scummy because I get heated about seeing a scumslip?

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I believed it then but no one else sees it so idk, they can’t all be scum

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Can you rephrase that first part in plain simple to the point English? I don’t see why I couldn’t change my reads under compelling evidence but people are slave to their initial bias all the time

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Touchy

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FL i thought you wanted to wagon yourself and catch scum, where did the idea go?

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Well you got that wrong. Might be a scum thing to do here, if you’re actually baiting someone you would leave the bait on for longer

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It’s pronounced touché

Why second?

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Wrong quote on my phone, was saying I meant unwnd was touchy

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I want everyone's opinion on FL's self-vote into unvote here. FL looks like a god-tier scum player by his profile so there's no reason to ignore something like this. If he is scum, there should be heat on him at some point and I wanna be the one who catches top dawg scum

My opinion is that I initially liked this plan here, it was very creative

Scum either have to make the decision to try and push me, hoping they can have a use for it, if only to discredit me, or scum can avoid adding fuel to this fire, and stay off, and let town do what they may.

So I'm trying to see what happens.

My bet is scum won't have a plan for it, and if picks up, they'll help a bit, but if it doesn't, they'll move somewhere else.

I'm seeing what type of scum team this game has.

However, FL was triggered into abandoning it by unvoting with only 1 or 2 people giving thoughts. Allowing for only a small window makes the whole planning thing seems disingenuous.

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unwnd is town, at least that's what I'm willing to bet on for now since with the spontaneous way he is speaking he will get found out soon if he was scum.

Johnny is looking worse so I'm going to have to take back that alliance request. I find the way johnny plays as scum is lurking and opportunism and I got a sense of it in his recent posts.

shelly is looking like she's trying to solve, but the way that she's doing it seems odd and commentary-ish. also, shelly I would like you to explain your Andres read.

I like fuzzy and vibing with a lot of what he's saying

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Also Plus is town-lean for the upper posts and because of this

Hey hey people, Sseth here

locktown
also VOTE: shellyc

just want to point out that she did exactly the same thing as town in k-pop mafia

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Also what's openwolfing?

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I believed it then but no one else sees it so idk, they can’t all be scum

Real Scum slips in my experience are rare. Like obvious mistakes that truly reveal that you’re Scum just don’t happen all that often. Scum tend to be careful. If anything, what appear to be mistakes made by Scum can be simply differences in style or communication. We just came out of a game where a Town player was thought of being Scum for referring to themselves in the third person (and being coached into a post).

I think the evidence for a slip needs to be overwhelming, or the slip really obvious. Otherwise, it’s just not that.

Yeah that makes sense. I can kinda see now how that could be read as just stating a town-read.

unwnd is town, at least that's what I'm willing to bet on for now since with the spontaneous way he is speaking he will get found out soon if he was scum.

Johnny is looking worse so I'm going to have to take back that alliance request. I find the way johnny plays as scum is lurking and opportunism and I got a sense of it in his recent posts.

shelly is looking like she's trying to solve, but the way that she's doing it seems odd and commentary-ish. also, shelly I would like you to explain your Andres read.

I like fuzzy and vibing with a lot of what he's saying

Why are so happy to defend unwnd here? It can’t be that speaking in a spontaneous way is all you have to hang your hat on.

I've had a town-vibe on unwnd since his beginning posts and he sounds like he's engaged in figuring out the game. It's really hard to top-post as scum without posting fluff imo.

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@Andres, what do you think of my point against FL?

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It's MU speak, another site where mafia is played. I've done a few treks to other mafia sites and have quite the collection of knowledge. Wolf is basically Scum to them, as Village is Townie. When you're openwolfing you're doing things that are blatantly scum but you don't care because nobody will punish you for it or you've been caught

Who has FL played with in this thread? A premise for this strategy is that he needed to have played with most or all players on the thread. If he was openwolfing against a thread with people who don't know him then they are likely to lynch him anyway.

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Dang so many posts

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Could Flavor’s self-vote “plan” have been disingenuous - an obvious attempt at making themselves look Scummy so that they can explain away their survival later in the game, without attracting too many votes? Yes, maybe. Flavor doesn’t seem that keen on giving out reads or establishing themselves in this game, so that’s not a positive sign. It’s also a marked departure from how they’ve played Scum the last few times we’ve faced each other though, and that in a way also makes sense (it would be easy for me or others to spot I think).

Where I’m struggling is when I try to make sense of it from a strategic perspective. Flavor seems fine under pressure as Scum, but he knows that he needs allies, or Town players that are in a position to make errors. The easiest way to get significant errors is by pocketing players, or at least have others actually think you’re Town. He doesn’t seem particularly focused on even projecting Towniness here, openly admitting to not trying hard, and inviting votes. Not the most viable Scum strategy long-term is it? The other side of it is that he’s buying time, but Flavor doesn’t like to sit on the sidelines for too long. If he continues to drag his feet for too long execute him. Otherwise, I think there’s better places to look for now.

So what you are saying is that FL plans everything as scum and he doesn't seem to be doing things that are long-term strategies like pocketing and projecting towniness, so you're not confident he is scum yet? IMO, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, I'm saying FL could have made the vote on himself as town or scum based on his arrogant nature, but then he justified it and knee-jerk pulled the vote back. That makes it slightly more likely to come from scum. Let's talk about another fact, why was he waiting specifically for the "second" vote on him? Though I could possibly see why the first vote would look townish, I don't see what distinguishes the second, third, fourth vote.

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- If I recall correctly, they're the other one who pushed Dunn, so it's interesting they're both voting me now. Nopoint made the second vote, the one I was baiting, so this has a high chance of being caught scum for that reason alone.

Dunnstral

- Dunnstral brushed and deflected early game reads and looks to both try and pocket Shelly by hard town reading them, and also rescinded when speaking to another player, this was to Nopoint even.

In conclusion, vote Dunnstral, my theory is Nopoint/Dunnstral team, probably with one of my higher town reads.

I asked you already but why second? Is that the only reason why you think of me as scum based on a random number?

nopoint seems lurky which is what happened in 2174

I would like to hear from johnny on nopoint with johnny being nopoints scumpartner in that game

nopoint seems lurky which is what happened in 2174

I would like to hear from johnny on nopoint with johnny being nopoints scumpartner in that game

Uh they're a good scum player. Not too controlling, more capable of disappearing into the town than me. Not unlike here honestly

Shelly, so instead of reading and meta-ing me yourself you went and asked Johnny? Seems a bit theatrical. And one thing I have to add, there's no use in meta-ing someone if you only read their scum game. For example, you keep saying I'm lurking but if you read any of my town games (from waaaaaaaay before) you will see that I have similar post frequency regardless of alignment because I like to read a whole bunch of stuff in succession it helps me keep track of what's happening in town

Main 3 (Nopoint notmaf Hank) with flavor and you as distraction or potential scum if i'm wrong about one in main 3

I actually think this laissez faire read list is kinda town. Johnny-scum would be tangential here.

All these close to naked votes on FL as he's about to show effort makes me think he's town unless I'm missing something and effort-FL is a scum thing. FL's wagon actually was pretty productive there's gotta be some scum material here. Dunn's vote is pretty scummy and I already have a scum-read on him so I have no qualm about joining his wagon.

Vote:Dunntral

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Also, andres is town, still null on Titus, Hank and gera

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Towns are unwnd, andres, johnny, fuzzy, Plus. scumies are dunn, maybe FL

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I agree, I'm hesitant to make connections before the flip so that list reflects trying to find individual scums.

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damn is that an anagram?

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Yeah was wondering if anagrams are considered cryptography

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What specific posts do you found townie from dunn?

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Actually the more I think about it, the more I think Shelly is scum. I’ve had this weird feeling since the beginning of the game that her posts are commentary-ish and pupet-mastering and then her post #477 was just downright manipulative. Shelly knows johnny’s only game with me is when I’m scum so she’s letting Johny think about me in that game. If you’re reading two games from someone you’re bound to find similarities regardless of alignment and her under the table push will cause town to scum-read one another. Scum ultimately benefits from having paranoid town

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For now it’s not really good evidence, just a theory though and I’d still be much more happy with a dunn lynch

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VOTE: Shelly

will come back for a deeper look

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VOTE: Shelly

will come back for a deeper look

omgys vote?

It’s not an omgus when I already have a scum read on her. And shelly not responding to my argument makes me think she felt caught.

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Kinda tempted to vote Dunn to test shellyc and the rule of 3. I would but the rule of 3 still permits shelly NM.

Shelly shading three people on the FL wagon is not a good look, particularly when she makes no effort to sort us.

Shelly Flavor Dunn would be interesting but too spot on the nose.

What is the rule of 3?

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Hank doesn't look better after posting.

Why can't we do a not maf?

Not maf is kinda a PL at this point, what are your thoughts on shelly or dun?

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@hanken spanken: without the theatrics, can you give us what your reads are and why the dunn vote?

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I'm liking this shelly wagon, her blatant shading/ignoring points against her is scummy.

Titus and Dunn are clearly scum here.

FL trying to tie Dunn to Titus here near the end of the day looks pretty scummy too, I wouldn't rule out FL-dunn bussing team.

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I already brought that up earlier.

I really don't understand the FL-Dunn comments, but if people think we're tied together, fine, let's kill Dunn.

The reason I thought you might be town before is the fact that a whole bunch of people including dunn naked jumped your wagon. But now I wouldn't put you past a bussing scheme.

If you like it, why not join it?

Already beat you to it!

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Is the only reason it didn't gain traction is because it seemingly was easy? Like, that's the only thought I can have.

A Hank lynch would accomplish nothing since he has zero interaction with the game.

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VOTE: Shelly

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I was the first

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Is the only reason it didn't gain traction is because it seemingly was easy? Like, that's the only thought I can have.

A Hank lynch would accomplish nothing since he has zero interaction with the game.

Right now I think the disposition we're in after stepping back is that scum simply has nothing to do, therefore I think the chance is there

I kinda agree here. Feels like the stalling could be because the prominent wagons are not on scum, but I'd rather go with a Shelly lynch

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I don't get why people are blaming me, then linking me to possible partners for the No lynch yesterday when pretty much everyone was apathetic and has as much to blame.

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@Plus: Both I and johnny are town

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Johnny is town because I know how he plays as scum, plus he’s actually been communicating with me, unlike the many people in this thread who completely ignores my line of questioning

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I’m willing to believe dunn on his claim, did everyone forget how FL tried to set up a titus dunn scum team yesterday who are both town

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

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I think Shelly is scum too. I personally would kill people who suspect me as scum because I can wifom about it and that’s what she’s doing right now

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Plus, do you suspect me for starting a Shelly wagon yesterday? If so consider this, yesterday’s biggest wagons were dunn and not_mafia, who are likely town right now. Why would Scum me try for a NL instead of eliminating people who suspect me? You know I play better than that as scum from last game, where I always got a townie lynched

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Do you wanna be cheeky adhominem or do you want to actually respond to my points?

Shelly, so instead of reading and meta-ing me yourself you went and asked Johnny? Seems a bit theatrical. And one thing I have to add, there's no use in meta-ing someone if you only read their scum game. For example, you keep saying I'm lurking but if you read any of my town games (from waaaaaaaay before) you will see that I have similar post frequency regardless of alignment because I like to read a whole bunch of stuff in succession it helps me keep track of what's happening in town

The difference is that I’m town-reading Johny despite the only game I’ve played with him he was scum. If you had the time to read my scum game why not skim my town game? Or is it just convenient not to? You pushing Johny to see me as scum was my point against you not the fact that you didn’t read my town game

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Hi Noraaa! Thought for a moment I had gone to the wrong game when I saw you there

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Why'd you have to go and replace in a scummy slot

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Johnny is town because I know how he plays as scum, plus he’s actually been communicating with me, unlike the many people in this thread who completely ignores my line of questioning

I think your perception is biased. I think Johnny is playing strictly UTR and intentionally so. I haven't seen him really push anyone and to keep it simple he mostly posts fluff.

My perception IS biased because of a few reasons, one of which is that from my understanding of Johny scum he will push tangential wagons in an opportunistic way.

There were some arguments about how the votes stacked up, but it’s an inscrutable argument because it has to assume that Flavor is Town, and no one knows that but Flavor. If you noticed, Flavor was voted yesterday by a Confirmed Town, and by Dunn/Not_Mafia at one point. Which is why Flavor is throwing shade to the only other person on their wagon. Again, I’m not buying it.

Andres is the only voice of reason in this game. Most of FL's argument is predicated on the fact that he's town and therefore not really reliable. I also don't trust any of his reads, unwd and me are both town.

Why do you think we no-limmed yesterday? This is slightly rhetorical. It's because people can't decide what they want, and I believe this is

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of predetermined elims. Like, people say 'I want X' as an example but getting your lim requires a bit more effort. There's not really anyone doing that and instead it's a lot of passivity which I'm starting to think is intentional. It's getting hard for me to distinguish posts between players because of this.

In regards to stubbornness, it attributes to the gamestate. You have people who are self-assured with just saying someone is scum is enough for others to simply agree and then accumulate votes. It's not that I'm requiring walls or deep intricate analysis, it's that I require some some sort of thought pattern to follow along with. I don't really feel like you answered my question and instead with 'well shelly does this'. Strip away your preconceived notions of shelly and tell me if she would make sense as scum just by the amount of attention she's accrued already.

This is a fair point, in that case do you have any particular reads in mind who's intentionally making the game passive?

^see 720. And that was about you unwnd, not nopoint. That last paragraph.

ah, okay, this is better.

Yeah, I already stated my Unwnd reasoning with my VCA.

I am 90% sure Unwnd is scum, and I would have been okay flipping them with a coinflip odds.

Are there any other particular reason why you think unwd is scum? I don't really trust VCAs alone because it's a concept that I use as scum sometimes. The problem with it is that it presupposed you are town and so you can draw all sorts of conclusion to your benefit.

I'm a Vigilante Enabler.

If anyone ever thinks I claim this scummy ass role as scum here, we're gonna have some words post game.

FL's claim is interesting. The claim itself is towny but I'm willing to bet FL is the type of person who gambits all sorts of things as scum.

cuz my first flawless scum win on site was a game where nopo and Johnny were my scum buddies.

*** Reliving memories ***

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VOTE: Hanken

It's a bit biased but I'm not willing to eliminate Nora today. I'd rather not have Hank as a null slot for another day either

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Why'd you have to go and replace in a scummy slot

shelly was a beacon of towniness and if u don't think so, its either bc ur scum or u don't understand her meta at all. I literally skimmed her ISO *SKIMMED* for maybe a minute and I was like YES IV REP ME IN I AM READY

I originally thought she was towny but her recent behavior has been eye-brow raising. Have you read your role pm?

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Also the cow is inno-ed by a claimed cop

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My read on Johnny is only part of the reason why I’m confident he’s town. I also think FL’s claim is true, though not necessarily town

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I feel there's a lot of focus on Johnny and I today and in my position that's really a sign that we are going to lynch town or have a no elim again. There's a high chance we're being put in this position by the scum team.

Plus, you are trying to change the game state and pushing for something so I have a feeling that you might be town, albeit misguided. I don't see where you're going with the framing theory when both Johnny and I already either implied or stated our unwillingness to lim Nora today. Do you think a scum-team would entirely change strategy just because a friend replaced in?

I personally think the Titus kill even made Shelly less likely to be scum as smart scum often go for subtle kills instead of direct threats. So I could also re-use your argument for you masterminding the kill here to implicated me and Johnny.

I'm going to entertain the thought that you're right about Shelly's playstyle then the one behind the Titus kill here should be in the sidelines and inactive, waiting for town to suicide on Night Kill Analysis. There is no need for scum to pick sides when lim on either side benefits them, and the stale state of this game is looking like it's something like that. Among my biggest suspects for this scenario are FL, Hank (before the replacement) and geraint due solely to their inactivity and that's why I'm pressuring people with votes to get some inputs on where they are.

Particularly, I feel FL disappearing off the map as soon as pressure disappears off him is scummy. Scum vig-enabler is a very possible reality.

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Particularly, I feel FL disappearing off the map as soon as pressure disappears off him is scummy. Scum vig-enabler is a very possible reality

I liked the way you were headed until this. Why would a town cop enabler mean a scum vig enabler? This feels very specific and a bit tmi

I didn't like the way FL claimed vig enabler out of nowhere when there's barely any votes on that. Why is it specific??

so nopoint calls FL scummy for trying to die Dunn to Titus, and then...proceeds to try to tie FL and Dunn together.

Not ruling something out is not tieing them together, don't like your misrepresentation here.

Flavor is still a posiibility but a mafia vig enabler seems like an odd role,,,but anything is possible

I have specific reasons to think FL is 80% scum if his claim is true here.

Scum main objective is to

lunch

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And NopointScum was pushing me while ShellyScum was towning me.

That's a classic hyena.

Wow, just wow

@FL: you're condescending af and I don't think attacking other people personally like this should be allowed in the thread
@Nora: just ignore him

Yeah Nora is doing pretty much what I'd expect scum in her position to do. There's no way she can really think Johnny is scum considering Johnny plays entirely differently in the last game we were in.

why do people think there is a vig? I don't understand

FL claimed Vig enabler.
I think he is really vig enabler.
I also think he's scum.
The stuff with Nora is scum theatre.

I have an inno on Johnny (not a cop inno but I'm not willing to say what it is unless Johnny is ok with it). If you lynch me, you'd better not lynch Johnny tomorrow.

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The fact that no one in this entire thread except me seems to think Johnny is town should scream town already but what the hell do I know

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We could lynch Noraa today because Johnny or I can actually prove what we're saying to one of you bastards. If the scum team is too scared and kill us then at least they won't be trying to find the Vig

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I have specific reasons to think FL is 80% scum if his claim is true here.

Go find 1 single game of mine where I am scum and I true claim.

It's your word that you never play the same way in all of your game.

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@FL: you're condescending af and I don't think attacking other people personally like this should be allowed in the thread

@Nora: just ignore him

Yeah Nora is doing pretty much what I'd expect scum in her position to do. There's no way she can really think Johnny is scum considering Johnny plays entirely differently in the last game we were in.

This is a weird line to say to someone you think is putting on an act?

I read that and as someone who knows Noraa, I haven't made any conclusions by then.

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Nopoint's reads and progression on me all game have been fake.

I'm going to bring it all the way back to early Day 1.

He shaded Dunnstral poorly, as did I.

Then I played my bait, and Nopoint's literally the player that got caught from my bait earlier.

I guarantee you that Nopoint is scum, and I have been saying Nopoint scum since Day 1.

I have been pushing Nopoint as my top 2 scumreads all day, and actually, I'm easing up on Unwnd a bit because of Noraa/Nopoint.

Nopoint disappeared from the game when Noraa and I were fighting, yet Plusjoyed isn't talking about that.

This turn makes perfect sense btw if Noraa was scum with FL

Vote: Noraa

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You waited for Noraa to get enough votes and turned on me or anyone else when you got the chance. That way you'll be seen as completely distanced from Noraa. There was no hyenas.

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I don't like that, you have no skin in the game.

The deal is
When Nora's lynched and flip red, we vig you.
When I'm lynched and flip green, we vig you.
When Nora's lynched and flip green, we vig me.

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I don't think noraa is scum
I've thought it over, I can't believe I missed FL claiming vig enabler. This is def a town FL move imo. Now this makes a lot more sense.

I'm the vig, I shot titus n1. No point in really hiding if the enabler is out there. I thought titus was scum trying to sidetrack with a flashwagon on town shelly, I was wrong. I'm guessing scum did too. I seriously believe there is a maf conspiracy with maf team framing shelly for titus kill; this is not scum!shelly's MO at all, and shelly/noraa is town.

I will be shooting johny tonight.

I don't understand why you're tunneling on the idea that that flash wagon was scummy. Every single alternative wagon (not_maf and dunn) was town.

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Having dinner, going to come back later tonight

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I am a watcher enabler. I believed FL’s claim because I knew it was an enabler-packed game. I think he’s scum because there’s no way all 3 enablers are town.

N1 I was neighborized by Johnny. Anyone who thinks we are sus can volunteer to be neighorized tonight.

Noraa it’s a shame you’re scum, would have loved a K-pop qt

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Lmao FL if you think johnny/me/noraa are scum team again

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Enablers are negative utility Noraa they are not PRs

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Yeah I also crumbed that Johnny was the only one communicating with me

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Watcher enabler sounds like what you claim when everyone else is claiming enabler and you're on the chopping block

I made a post which implied the fact that there are multiple enablers and one of them should be scum here. I was the only town with information to detect this and go against FL’s claim, but only to be painted scum by him. I had one or two votes on me on me when I made this post.

Particularly, I feel FL disappearing off the map as soon as pressure disappears off him is scummy. Scum vig-enabler is a very possible reality.

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Moot point

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No watcher claims, the Watcher is probably mafia so I'm fine with my lynch since it would disable that role.

On the other hand Plus, if you vig Johnny after I'm lynched, we will have words at the end of the game.

The scumteam is Noraa + FL + 1 sideline person (gerain, fuzzy, maybe even Andres). Don’t shoot Johnny look into them. Plenty of things in my iso that could point to them being scum.

Probably not going to be around for most of the holiday. Merry Christmas y’all!

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Unwd I haven’t been trying to avoid you you haven’t given me chance to respond to you

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If no one is claiming watcher then I just think it’s possibly a scum role. An enabler heavy set up with 3 pairs of enabler - PR, one town-town, one town-scum and one scum-town makes sense to me

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I’m having a real hard time reading nopoint. Discrediting Flavor’s Claim was a bad look, and even more so now that plus is claiming Vig. But there’s something off about there being so much agreement about nopoint being the execution. Either there’s a lot of bussing, or the Scum are getting away with something here.

I’m not at all surprised at this. I’m introverted and not a native speaker so people wil often find me scummy, whether contrived or not

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The possibility of Johnny scum does exist, I originally thought neighboriZers are confirmed town role, even when it is not Johnny has not tried to influence me to do anything and I think that’s town af

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Fuzzy could be doing this to distance from my lynch and avoid a vig shot btw, definitely look there once I flip

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@andres: my scum read on Nora is not entirely from association with FL. It’s an unfair misrepresentation when I’ve been scum reading Shelly all game and Noraa has only continued to make the arguments Shelly did

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Also why wouldn’t I discredit FL’s claim as an enabler myself. 3 town enabler is very unlikely to me

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Gg, the town prs played really well there. Was a little disappointed to see FL conceding at the end there after he got so much towncred for bussing but it is what it is.

Nice game, the set-up was more or less balanced. The only thing off putting was the 40 pages of aggression.

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*looks around sadly*
ME SORRY JOHNNY

I told ya he was town, even when I was scum you should trust me