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[Luca Blight]

Wow 12 pages already.

I’m busy atm but will catch-up in about two hours.

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VOTE: luca blight

please be town.

if you're asking if i've played with scum!luca, i have once.

Hey Datisi Good to play with you again.

I don't remember you every playing with scum!me?

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ever*

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pedit: salsa, i think daisy is scum, care to help me wagon her?

No dear, it's not enough for me to vote

OopsieDaisy

because you think she is a scum.

VOTE: Elements

Your gut feeling doesn't make any sense to me.

I like Salsa's attitude here. Early TL.

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Elements' push on Daisy p3 is decent.

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If they wanna say why they think I'm scum then they can do it lmao, why should I have to prod em for it?

A Townie would be at least be naturally curious as to why someone thinks they're scum early on, so I can't relate to this outlook.

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I think Datisi, Salsa, Shigaraki are Town. Town-leans on NPOM, DeathNote and Elements.

That leaves Cook, Saudade, Daisy, Zuko, Shephard and Rannygazoo.

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First claim:

I am a Cop.

I CC Cop.

I don't like how Cook CC's the cop claim and then follows up with a couple of fluff posts. From where I'm standing the claim could be legit, and I don't get Cook's stance here. It feels as though he's trying to weigh-up whether or not to believe the claim, which seems more scum-indicative to me, because from a Town-perspective it would be self-resolving. From a scum perspective he needs to work out whether he's being baited into a NK.

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VOTE: Cook

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I'm loving the regular VC's. Keep up the good work, Mods.

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Their reads are decent, and they're not posting in a careful or calculated manner. They are deliberately drawing attention to themselves in a manner which strikes me as Townie.

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DeathNote can join the town block on a provisional because I think they're a funsucking town type, which I personally like to read.

I like this read on DeathNote as it reflected my own thoughts on them.

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I don't remember you ever playing with scum!me?

i alt sometimes.

why am i town? oh, why the townlean on npom?

Ah, I see.

You have a tempo/intensity to your game so far that seems Town.

NPOM has been pretty proactive and solvey. I've just noticed you SR NPOM. Can you go into more detail on that?

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I get where you're coming from. I also dislike black and white thinking like 'Town does this' and 'scum does this', as everything depends on context.

I agree his stance on Cook is a bit weird. I kind of get where he's coming from on Shigaraki, although I disagree with him.

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Any thoughts on Rannygazoo, Datisi?

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I can't wait for the most brilliant player to make his entrance.

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Any thoughts on Rannygazoo, Datisi?

nothing above room temperature. thought his intro was +town. the read on shigaraki looks scummy-lazy. i obviously i think the read on cook is Bad, but the way he argued with me about it (204 in particular) gave me a vague feeling he actually believes what he's saying.

gun-to-head, he's town, but i'm very *very* low confidence on that. any reason you ask specifically about ranny?

Out of the active players he's the one I'm finding hardest to read at this point. I'll catch-up then review again.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Saudade
None of the current wagons speak to me.

Can someone give me a m*ta read of Salsa? I feel like I want to trust her because of her openness with the real name etc. but I know that has no bearing on what alignment she rolled. I can’t really see anything AI in her posts.

305 feels a little like scum outlining what they’ll do to act like town. Not enough evidence to convict.

Why would you randomly vote an inactive player at this point?

I played with Town!Salsa once before, and her play seems much improved here already. I think she has been really transparent in this game so I'm TR'ing her independently for that. I have no idea about her scum meta.

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The reason I don't believe Shig's claim is:

A) He's seems like he's the attention seeking type.
B) The timing of the claim(day 1).
C) The fact that he didn't claim cop and macho at the same time.

I'm not discounting the possibility that he could be telling the truth, I'm just going to operate on the asssumption that he's not until I'm given a good reason not to.

This is fair.

I have no idea if Shig is telling the truth about his claim, but I don't necessarily think he's scum if he's not. I just want to see how this one plays out.

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VOTE: cook

I'm fine with the townblock members I suppose, for the time being.

E-1

I don't really like this vote though, given you were just TR'ing Cook?

Seems a bit rushed. What changed your mind?

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I'm serious. I'm cop.

And, adding on to that, I don't doubt Shig's cop claim either. What I do doubt is the inciters of both of these wagons.

UNVOTE: SoS

This will be better placed somewhere different.

This makes no sense.

Why would you seriously CC someone who you believe is telling the truth about their role?

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I'm getting strong Townie vibes from DeathNote.

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It means counter-claim.

Remember in the last game we played? You claimed Doc and I immediately CC'd you, because I knew you were lying.

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Okie I did it! Read list time :3

Cook/Shigaraki:
Lumping these two together because they’ve both claimed cop and haven’t shown any signs of backing off of it. Vote me over these peeps please.

I get they have claimed cop, but from your perspective you should be conftown, so I really don't get this mindset. It feels like some deliberate reverse-psychology.

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@Luca doesn’t it look like DeathNote is coaching Cook? Telling him to say his claim is serious, and then telling him to clarify the read on me (which he still can’t do).

Scum have day chat, so I don't see why he wouldn't do the coaching behind closed doors.

I think DeathNote's progression has been Town, but I'm not so sure about Cook.

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Most likely scenario is town v town. Scum don't want to 1v1 themselves this early in the game.

This reasoning applies to Shig perhaps, but not to Cook.

Cook has clearly said he believes Shig's claim, which seems like an attempt to avoid the 1v1 while also maintaining his position.

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Spoiler:

That vote is unreasonable for day 1. We have two cop claims and they should live at least one day.

cook didn't even real cop claim when they did it, they didn't even do it as a fake one.

It was literally a joke cc for cook.

It's not the same as my claim.

That was a real claim from the start. Stop trying to farm lazy Town votes from people who won't reread.

VOTE: Shigaraki

Oh wait you're the other cop.

See I'm lazy too...

UNVOTE:

So I'm supposed to believe you forgot Shig clamed cop for a moment, when that's what this whole thing is about?

Seems like a deliberate mistake, following on from what NPOM/Rannygazoo said.

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I'd take Deathnote over me.

VOTE: DeathNote

Why DeathNote in particular?

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Oh, Luca! You're here.

Questions:
1. Strongest townread? Scumread?
2. What do you think of the cross-cops? Who do you believe?
3. If you had to spare one person from elimination who is being wagoned right now, who would it be?

1. Datisi, Shig, DeathNote are my biggest TR's atm. Probably Salsa as well.
2. I believe Shig and don't believe you, as things stand.
3. DeathNote

Cook, can you help me understand why you CC'd when you believe Shig's claim?

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Right now I'm only willing to eliminate in this pool of players:

Cook, Daisy, Zuko, Saudade, Sherphard

Out of this my biggest SR is Cook, by far. Daisy has basically claimed VT already so I wouldn't mind going there as a safer bet. The other three need to get moving. We still have 8 days so I'm willing to wait until they've had enough time to catch-up fully.

[Luca Blight]

fuck more pages. i read like 10 pages then my brain fried & i just went to league then ko’d
I’ll try to hang out more but works been busy so i can’t be on my phone like that. I’ll probably be caught up tonight as long as it doesn’t shoot up another 10 pages & my call to play league isn’t driving me


from what i’ve read:
deathnote’s anti-meta posts gave me good vibes.

the element vs daisy felt genuine on both parts so i’ve got lite lite town lean on them
everyone else is null atm

like if i didn’t think i knew who shig was i’d probably sr but if i’m correct on who they are they’d do this as both alignments so they’re in my null pile.

It seems like you need some motivation

VOTE: Zuko

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It doesn't have to be a vanity wagon. Zuko seems to be in most people's PoE.

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I also felt 567 was pretty scummy.

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Rannygazoo, how do you read Saudade?

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Right now I scum-lean Zuko, Saudade and maybe Daisy, so I'm down with any of those. Cook remains my biggest SR but I'm ok letting that situation be for now.

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I want more content from both Zuko and Shepherd.

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She's been reactive rather than proactive and I found her stance of 'elim me instead of the cops' a bit weird. I'm about to go offline so I'll review her again later.

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Saudade, talk to me about DeathNote.

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anyways i dont like deathnote and salsa

vote deathnote and stop trying to lynch a cop claim day 1 thanks

Can you explain your DeathNote SR

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im masons with SoS and Prince Zuko.

Ok now this is obvious BS. I don’t get why you’re protecting the inactives.

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I'm inclined to think sos and Shig are scum buddies.

Why? There are people trying to pivot away from the SOS wagon for no good reason but Shiggy isn’t the first one that comes to mind.

Who is the first one that comes to mind?

im masons with SoS and Prince Zuko.

Ok now this is obvious BS. I don’t get why you’re protecting the inactives.

He’s already said that he’s death tunneling Cook. He’ll say anything to keep votes on Cook and off anyone else. Just disregard him for the rest of the day.

That's not what he says here:

Spoiler:

I don’t really think Shig and Cook are scum together, but I really don’t think they’re town together.

eh, if cook is town, we're both town.

ive calmed down some today

sup, bitches

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I just want both inactive posters to start posting.

Right now I slightly prefer Zuko over Shepherd because his 'catch-up' post felt off to me.

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With Shepherd there's literally nothing to go off, other than his inactivity.

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The fact that most of my scumleans are voting DeathNote makes me even more sure that DeathNote is Town.

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Cook isn't being eliminated today, so who do you propose instead of Zuko and Shepherd?

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I'm not really feeling many scum vibes from NPOM tbh.

I might be willing to compromise on Daisy.

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I feel pretty sure that scum has voted DeathNote this game. The wagon has a scummy feel to it.

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lukewarm take: someone who made a catchupy-post that was pretending to offer content (zuko) is more likely scum than someone openly shitposting (sos)

i think luca said something like this earlier? idk i don't remember

You put it more eloquently than I did.

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The fact that most of my scumleans are voting DeathNote makes me even more sure that DeathNote is Town.

Because somehow your scumleans are very accurate at this stage??

Probably not very accurate, but probably not completely wrong either.

How much confidence do you have in the accuracy of your scumleans at this stage?

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I’m busy this weekend so won’t be posting much until Monday.

I still feel good about my Zuko vote.

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VOTE: Zuko prove me wrong.

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luca

why haven't you obvtowned yet

should i be worried

Idk, maybe something to do with the gamestate being pretty dead D1? Or the fact we haven't played together for a while.

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VOTE: Zuko prove me wrong.

I can’t, but I feel like since we already spent a day paring down the useless slots, we should now focus on the associations we have.

I was feeling yesterday that DeathNote was trying to coach Cook. Their early responses today look planned together. So there’s a decent chance they’re part of the scum team. I think DeathNote is the better elim because I would still feel stupid about eliminating a cop at this stage.

If Cook isn't scum, would you still SR DeathNote?

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Right now I'm looking at these three: Zuko, Daisy, Saudade

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I'll probably get around to reevaluating everyone today at some point, but I'll wait for everyone to check-in first.

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VOTE: Saudade

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VOTE: Zuko prove me wrong.

Why do you find him scummy?

It's more that I don't find him Townie, and I don't want him to fly under the radar.

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NPOM, can you explain your read progression on Cook

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Cook, why did you self-vote?

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The more I think of it, I don't think the Shig NK makes sense if both Shig and Cook are Town.

Shig was clearly BS'ing and baiting the NK, whereas Cook doubled-down on his claim, and was the cc which are generally seen to be more reliable,

and

Cook was more TR than Shig.

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It only makes sense if Shig's reads were really accurate, or if Cook is scum.

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VOTE: Cook

Even if there is a scum RB, I don't understand why they wouldn't kill Cook and block Shig in this instance, which would then probably lead to Shig's elim on D2.

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The more I think of it, I don't think the Shig NK makes sense if both Shig and Cook are Town.

Shig was clearly BS'ing and baiting the NK, whereas Cook doubled-down on his claim, and was the cc which are generally seen to be more reliable,

and

Cook was more TR than Shig.

I agree. Cook is looking more and more likely to be scum but is also still our only claimed PR so voting there feels wrong.

I've just finished a game (NPOM was in it too) where obvious scum claimed a PR and survived the day, and then claimed a guilty on someone the following day and managed to get them eliminated on the back of it. I'm not repeating the same mistake.

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It could happen Tomorrow, or he could claim to be blocked again. Either way, it sucks.

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VOTE: Cook

Even if there is a scum RB, I don't understand why they wouldn't kill Cook and block Shig in this instance, which would then probably lead to Shig's elim on D2.

I disagree. Cook's claim didn't look that genuine either and has shown himself to be trolly even being accused of being a jester which isn't possible in this game.

I would kill Shig over Cook who is the easier misvote.

Cook's claim looked a lot more concrete than Shig's. Cook was also in the supposed 'townbloc' and Shig wasn't.

The only way I could see Shig being killed instead if they're both Town is if his reads were really accurate, but even then all he did D1 was tunnel Cook.

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Even if there is a scum RB, I don't understand why they wouldn't kill Cook and block Shig in this instance, which would then probably lead to Shig's elim on D2.

???

have you seen the two of them play? if both are town, cook is likely to just lay down and die, while shiga would've made a scene if the game tried to vote him out.

also, i don't wanna vote out cook anymore. i think scum!him would know he's a dead man walking and would try to fake a guilty or something. the blocked claim is the most suspicious one.

A blocked claim, and then he seems sure he won't be blocked Tomorrow? It has BS written all over it.

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A blocked result* rather

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And the motivation for being 'blocked' D2 and having a guilty D3 is obvious - he's maximizing the benefits of his fake-claim by not only surviving D1 and D2 but pushing a miselim on whoever he wants D3.

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Do you think town cook claims day 1? Do you think town cook believes shigs cop claim?

i don't know, i guess i can see it. i don't know why scum!cook does it.

I've already played with Scum!Cook once and he made a silly fake-claim then as well.

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i skipped over that post. it seems like a blunder to make if he's scum, but i guess him claiming cop is a blunder if he's town too, so.

pedit: interesting. was it as unnecessary as this one?

It was suicidal. I think his fake-claim here has more obvious scum benefit than in that game.

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@cook we all know you'll be "blocked" tonight.

hmm

i find this unlikely

why did you make this post?

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Cook, why did you self-vote?

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Based on what?

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If I were town cop in your position, I'd expect to be continually blocked when you're already heavily suspected of BS'ing.

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Saudade and Zuko like to be fashionably late to the party.

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Saudade, be honest, were you lurking?

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What do you think of Cook, Saudade?

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What do you think of Cook, Saudade?

is there a reason for this questions besides trying to appear like you're doing things or?

I think he's scum. I wanted your opinion on the matter

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I don't get why scum would kill Shig over Cook, when Shig's claim was nonsensical

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Most likely Cook is scum who will:

1) Continue to be 'blocked'

2) Try to miselim someone tomorrow based on a 'guilty'

3) 'Clear' someone and look to Wifom his way home to victory

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Datisi seemed really Townie early on, less so recently but that could be down to the gamestate. I don't want to consider eliminating him today.

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@Mod:

can we get a prod on Zuko, please

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I don't get your point about my Cook vote being a pressure vote.

I was pushing the Cook elim, and no-one seems interested in joining. Now I'm just waiting for something from the Zuko slot before I decide what I want to do next.

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My Cook vote not seeming like a pressure vote*

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I get you probably think I seem 'flat' compared to the previous game we were in, but this game in general has been really flat. I begin to feel apathetic when certain slots are not producing anything, as it makes getting a clear picture of the game impossible.

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If Cook isn't on the table for today then I want to elim in {Saudade, Daisy, Zuko}.

VOTE: Daisy

Saudade's play has been less than stellar, but I get the feeling as though Daisy has been pocketing Saudade this game, which makes me slightly prefer this right now. If Zuko stays in the game and continues to do nothing then I'm almost certainly pushing that elim.

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Also note on Saudade who's joined:

I like them, they're sorta spamposty and not necessarily always on topic but that kinda leads me to believe they're not taking time to think about their posts too hard and they're just speaking from the mind, which is a p townie thing to do in my books.

Deathnote havent posted anything of value since I voted him lmao someone hold me what do I do

*using my almightly strength, I take a hold of Dade with a vice grip*

P.S: Am I good to call you Dade?

dont touch me

I apologise sir, I won't make the same mistake again

Wait what's the deal with this Dade wagon? You peeps maybe wanna like, explain why you're voting em or smth cause right now I'm just seeing 3 naked votes and Salsa just going off their reasoning yesterday. Tho I suppose we can wait and see how Dade reacts when they get back.

I'm not sure if this is scum pocketing Town, or just scum defending their partner, but either way I think Daisy is probably scum.

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I know Saudade has defended her. Not sure if anyone else has.

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DeathNote has as well.

That's E-1 I believe

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Let's wait for the Zuko slot to do something before anyone hammers, please.

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Hopefully if Zuko is replaced the deadline is extended, then.

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I don't get your point about my Cook vote being a pressure vote.

I was pushing the Cook elim, and no-one seems interested in joining. Now I'm just waiting for something from the Zuko slot before I decide what I want to do next.

I mean I'm not trusting

Cook

either, and he most probably will be blocked forever I guess. I just don't understand why people are not interested to pressure him and actually buying that he is a

town cop

. And he votes one of my scumreads

Saudade

, which I also don't understand that is he bussing one of the partners or

Saudade

actually a townie here?

I've been wondering the same things.

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It's possible scum have TMI about Cook being Town and are scared to pressure him, or Cook is just scum. I'm still leaning towards the latter, but we'll see I guess.

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question to the table: why was it so easy to wagon sos yesterday, but zuko never got past 2 votes, despite the slots feeling decently similar

I'm been wondering about this too.

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Son of a Shepard

(6) - Rannygazoo, NoPowerOverMe, Elements, Cook, OopsieDaisy, Datisi

(e-1)

DeathNote(2)

- Son of a Shepard, Shigaraki

Prince Zuko(1)

- Luca Blight

OopsieDaisy(1)

- DeathNote

Datisi(1)

- Saudade

Saudade(1)

- Salsabil Faria

Not Voting (1)

- Prince Zuko

If Zuko is scum then it wouldn't surprise me if there are two scum on the SoS wagon here. If DeadNote is Town, then most likely one scum was driving the SoS wagon and one driving the DeathNote wagon earlier in the day.

I normally hate preflip associations but I'm bored

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Sos flaunted his scumminess more than zuko did. This may be hard for town with so many inactive slots.

The more openly scummy inactive is normally the one more likely to be Town, from my experience

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NPOM you were in the game with PlusJOYED, right? I'm surprised you didn't have the same thought.

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I'm probably just going to vote Saudade here but I really want the Zuko slot doing something today. The slot is like an anchor on this game right now.

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Does anyone have any experience with scum!Saudade?

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I thought he was Town D1, but I'm not sure anymore. It's possible the SoS wagon could have been to protect him rather than Zuko. Or to protect both of them.

I'll ISO him again in a bit.

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I think if Zuko and DeathNote are scum then the third must have been really driving the SoS wagon hard.

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I think it's more likely DeathNote is Town based on how bad the wagon against him was, though.

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Son of a Shepard(3)

- Rannygazoo, NoPowerOverMe, Elements

DeathNote(3)

- Cook, Saudade, OopsieDaisy

Prince Zuko(2)

- Luca Blight, Datisi

Cook(1)

- Shigaraki

OopsieDaisy(1)

- DeathNote

Shigaraki(1)

- Salsabil Faria

Not Voting (2)

- Prince Zuko, Son of a Shepard

The DeathNote wagon has the feel of a counter-wagon here. I'd be really surprised if all of Cook, Saudade and Daisy are Town.

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But then this happens:

VC 1.25

Son of a Shepard(4)

- Rannygazoo, NoPowerOverMe, Elements, Cook

(e-3)

DeathNote(3)

- OopsieDaisy, Son of a Shepard, Shigaraki

Prince Zuko(2)

- Luca Blight, Datisi

OopsieDaisy(1)

- DeathNote

Shigaraki(1)

- Salsabil Faria

Datisi(1)

- Saudade

Not Voting (1)

- Prince Zuko

VC 1.26

Son of a Shepard(5)

- Rannygazoo, NoPowerOverMe, Elements, Cook, OopsieDaisy

(e-2)

DeathNote(2)

- Son of a Shepard, Shigaraki

Prince Zuko(2)

- Luca Blight, Datisi

OopsieDaisy(1)

- DeathNote

Datisi(1)

- Saudade

Not Voting (2)

- Prince Zuko, Salsabil Faria

Shig votes DeathNote, and then Daisy switches to SoS. That is quite possibly scum who distanced and then jumped off when it got too hot. Both players who ended on DeathNote were Town.

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The above possibly indicates Daisy/Deathote could be scum partners.

I'm about to sleep so will review Rannygazoo Tomorrow.

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We can elim Saudade today but there’s no rush. Let the replacement for Zuko enter the game first

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Yeah and it sucks, but it’s better he’s replaced today than carrying a dead slot into D3.

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VOTE: saudade
e-1

Why are you in such a rush to end the day?

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Not too bad, and you?

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I'm finding Saudade's play so underwhelming. Such an apathetic elim usually hits Town, but I don't find anything about his play town-indicative atm.

Some catch-up and reads from Fire and then I'm ready to end the day.

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Right now I'm fine eliminating either Saudade or Daisy. It wouldn't surprise me if they're both scum tbh.

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I actually forgot I was voting Daisy

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Pretty sure Ranny unvoted?

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Possibly he would be less inclined to bus a newer player? I don't know his scum game so pure speculation on my part.

If Saudade is scum then he's almost certainly getting bussed by someone as he doesn't seem to give a shit.

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NPOM would make sense given his confidence that Saudade is flipping scum, and then preemptively claiming the towncred.

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When saudale flips scum I am town leader.

This pinged me for that reason

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The good thing about being in the euro time is that I can talk shit and no one will reply to me for the next 12 hours

Nobody ever fucking posts when I post

You have to take the rough with the smooth, brother.

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24 hours left, I think this is the best option at this point.

VOTE: Saudade

E-1

, please claim

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VC 2.12

Saudade (4)

- DeathNote, NoPowerOverMe, Cook, Elements, Luca Blight, Rannygazoo

(GANKED)

OopsieDaisy (2)

- Datisi

Elements (1)

- OopsieDaisy

NoPowerOverMe(1)

- Saudade

Not Voting (3)

- Prince Zuko, Salsabil Faria

I think Rannygazoo is most likely Town. I'll go into why later. Elements is probably Town as well. If there's a busser then it's most likely NPOM, but possibly DeathNote. The lack of resistance to the wagon + Saudade's apathetic attitude points to him being hard-bussed.

It's also possible he just had inactive partners and was resigned to losing the game, in which case I'd say Daisy and Firebringer are likely to be his partners. I *think* Datisi and Salsa are Town, but I'll need to review again.

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What happened to this, Datisi?

Right now I'm fine eliminating either Saudade or Daisy. It wouldn't surprise me if they're both scum tbh.

i don't think they're both scum solely bc i think saudade doesn't weakly defend his partners like that

iirc his scum!meta is very much bus-friendly, if not hardbus her himself, at the very least i cannot see him do whatever the fuck this is with partner!daisy

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I guess if she suddenly turned on Saudade there she might have been aware of it being an obvious bus, so she hoped to just gently deflect attention onto Elements instead? I really don't get why she TR Saudade in the first place tbh.

I'd say if Daisy is scum then her partner was probably also off the wagon.

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Also note on Saudade who's joined:

I like them, they're sorta spamposty and not necessarily always on topic but that kinda leads me to believe they're not taking time to think about their posts too hard and they're just speaking from the mind, which is a p townie thing to do in my books.

Actually I kind of do get this, but I don't get the lack of development on the read. Saudade's D2 posting was really bad.

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I think Daisy is probably the last scum but I'll review again in the Morning

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VOTE: Datisi

Not saying Oopsie can't but scum, but, yeah...

What makes you think Datisi is more likely?

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Right now I don't see anyone in the game being scum other than Daisy tbh. Hopefully this ends the game, otherwise I'm going to have to entirely reassess.

VOTE: Daisy

E-1

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Datisi is probably Town as that does appear to be a result crumb from DeathNote.

I'l have to reevaluate

[Luca Blight]

Son of a Shepard(3)

- Rannygazoo, NoPowerOverMe, Elements

DeathNote(3)

- Cook, Saudade, OopsieDaisy

Prince Zuko(2)

- Luca Blight, Datisi

Cook(1)

- Shigaraki

OopsieDaisy(1)

- DeathNote

Shigaraki(1)

- Salsabil Faria

Not Voting (2)

- Prince Zuko, Son of a Shepard

I said at the time that the DeathNote wagon was being pushed by scum, and I was right about that. With me and Datisi pushing the Zuko elim, it makes sense for there to be one scum on both of the other two wagons. Zuko was not defending himself so his scum buddies were having to do that for him indirectly.

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VOTE: saudale

This, within the surrounding context, seems a probable bus. NPOM was hard-pushing Cook, and when the wagon didn't gain traction and the Saudade wagon was picking up pace again (DeathNote had just voted him) NPOM switches to Saudade and then pushes him with utmost conviction. I played with NPOM is a couple of previous games and I don't remember him ever being so sure in his reads as he has been in this game.

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And the general 1v1 dynamic between Saudade and NPOM makes sense from someone who knows he's being bussed and just wants to create as much distance as possible.

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This also follows a similar pattern:

Nah. It's hard to scum hunt when your answers can't be taken seriously. We can do this the official way though.

VOTE: firebringer

I want to know your role and what actions you took since you want to be coy about it.

VOTE: firebringer

Sounds like he is setting up to retract his cop claim.

VOTE: NPOM

I fake claimed cop our first game together.

Once again DeathNote votes scum, NPOM follows suit and quickly gets into a 1v1 with said scum. Both Saudade and Firebringer played like they were being bussed, given they're both experienced players. I believe the plan behind this was to sacrifice Firebringer for the sake of outing a PR and giving his partner enough towncred to coast home once the PR's had been killed.

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Elements' progression on Saudade is also a bit suspect:

VOTE: saudade

Naked votes him to start the day

lets go team
we can elim sausage before he even gets to the thread

When the wagon takes off Elements seems to want the elim accomplished before Saudade enters the thread

VOTE: datisi

As soon as the pressure had eased a bit on Saudade they naked vote Datisi instead

elements how do you move from voting me to voting datisi with me so easily without saying a word

I currently have two reads I'm happy with:
NPOM town
Daisy scum

So I'm flowing my vote with what's happening to see if it'll help me figure anyone else out.
Your return to day 2 has me leaning on you town and your wagon expanded like a balloon.
So I'm listening to what your saying and moving my vote to Datisi. Not that that's explicitly what you said, I just felt that's the way the wind was blowing

Elements now TR's Saudade

geez where did all this sausage hate come from

Soft defence?

ooo, in that case I'd be in favour of a saudade elim over a Daisy one
VOTE: saudade

When the Saudade elim seems inevitable Elements is suddenly really keen on his elim again.

I don't get the progression from wanting Saudade limmed before he could even enter, to TR'ing him and being skeptical of his wagon, to then suddenly being very happy with his elim again.

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I just don't get why you were suddenly so sure

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I'm not saying you're scum, but I know there's scum within you, Elements and Rannygazoo and I'm in the process of working out who it is.

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VOTE: firebringer

This was a hammer when Fire's elim had already been decided, so I'd say it's NAI. In general there aren't many interactions between Elements and Firebringer, other than Elements asking him if his claim was real.

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Everyone else felt towny at that point except for one of the cop claims so by PoE scum had to be one of the inactives.

I’ll stand by this. There is scum in {Zuko, SoS, Saudade}.

Lists two scum in his early PoE

Flash wagon on SoS go VOTE: SoS

But decides to flash wagon the only Town because..???

I don’t see any convincing reason to vote Zuko rather than SOS.

Right, but this statement could easily be reversed. Also as Datisi and I had pointed out, Zuko's content was scummier in the sense that he tried to make it look as though he was posting content, whereas SoS wasn't trying to dress his posts up at all.

I'm inclined to think sos and Shig are scum buddies.

Why? There are people trying to pivot away from the SOS wagon for no good reason but Shiggy isn’t the first one that comes to mind.

This seems like a subtle defence of Zuko, and also a sly attempt to discredit me by making out I was defending SoS, but without naming me directly.

question to the table: why was it so easy to wagon sos yesterday, but zuko never got past 2 votes, despite the slots feeling decently similar

Not enough votes to go around? The vibe I got from Zuko is that he was distracted but willing to try. When SoS posted 771, it became clear that he would never help town and had to go.

@Luca I’ve played two games with PlusJOYED (helped wagon him in the first) and in both of them, he just seemed lost. Like he was some issues to be work out and shouldn’t be playing mafia. I was dead when he was eliminated the second time around, but it was the right choice because he was never going to contribute and the slot was always going to be suspicious.

I don’t feel that way about Zuko’s slot, and I don’t really buy that SoS was a counter-wagon to Zuko, because it was there first. In fact, I’m going to take it nice and chill until Zuko is replaced.

D2 Rannygazoo defends Zuko a bit here, and wanted to take it easy on him until he was replaced.

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I was hoping for something good from Saudade but we got a lot of fluff instead. We can elim there if you want. Want to do it?

Datisi
Salsabil Faria
Luca/NPOM
Oopsie/Elements (still can’t tell them apart)
Saudade
SoS/Zuko
Cook/Shig

I don’t really think Shig and Cook are scum together, but I really don’t think they’re town together.

DeathNote is in there somewhere idk

I don't get why Rannygazoo was suddenly willing to elim Saudade but not Zuko here, when Zuko was a bigger SR based on the VC in his next post?

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I feel like all we've been doing today is waiting for a zuko replacement so we can then eliminate saudade

@luca how do you explain this as coming from scum?

I don't really see how that's alignment-indicative?

It seems like frustration, which could either be Townie or scum frustration.

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I also don't get why Elements was suddenly so keen to elim Saudade when he had been TR'ing him not long before and was suspicious of his wagon blowing up.

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If Deathnote was being literal, why didn't he just claim?

I guess he wanted to keep his role hidden? It seemed a pretty obvious hint, so he was probably satisfied with that.

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I'm just not sure how a tracker could in any way 100% clear Datisi.

Make it less probable sure, but not 100% clear.

If DeathNote tracked Datisi to a house other than the dead towns, then that just means he's not the killer, he could skill be a non-killing scum.

If DeathNote tracked another player to the dead towns house, I'm pretty confident he would have claimed that.

He could have tracked Datisi and been told that he went nowhere?

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Presumably there is only one scum left, in which case such a result clears Datisi. If there's two scum then we're probably screwed either way.

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Right now this is where I'm at:

NPOM makes most sense from the perspective of scum bussing hard and committing to that. I'd normally rule this out, but the way Saudade and Firebringer played means this is a possiblilty.

Elements makes most sense in terms of his lack of interest/interactions with the Firebringer slot, and in terms of creating distancing but trying to steer away from the elim before realising it's too far gone.

Rannygazoo makes the most sense in terms of deflecting away from Zuko D1. He looks more Townie than the others in terms of his Saudade stance I'd say. Probably in terms of his Firebringer stance as well.

Gun to head, I'd probably say Elements is most likely, followed by NPOM and then gazoo.

I'm willing to bet that Datisi is Town, and I'd like to hear his opinion on everything before I commit to voting.

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Although given the amount of strong Town power roles this game, I guess it would make sense for scum to have someone who can avoid detection? Ninja perhaps?

I need to consider this further.

[Luca Blight]

Lists two scum in his early PoE

But decides to flash wagon the only Town because..???

Insinuating I knew?

I wasn't insinuating anything, I just don't get why you chose SoS in paricular. It could have been bad luck on your part, but if you're scum then obviously this was deliberate.

This seems like a subtle defence of Zuko, and also a sly attempt to discredit me by making out I was defending SoS, but without naming me directly.

It wasn’t that sly. I literally said it when you asked.

I’m tired of rehashing SoS wagon vs Zuko wagon, but Zuko showed that he was willing to cooperate with town and SoS showed that he wasn’t. That’s it. No regrets.

That makes sense to some degree, but you can understand why I'm suspicious? You tried to shade me for my approach to the SoS wagon while you did the same thing to actual scum.

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Fucked that quote up, sorry.

And yes you answered when I asked, which you obviously had to do. The initial comment felt a bit sly.

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@Luca those were good profiles. Please profile yourself too because it’s not going to be the same coming from anyone else.

Are you being sarcastic or do you actually want me to towncase myself?

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I'm looking through the archives now and I can't see any 13p game that has three strong roles like N2,N3 cop, and ungated Tracker and JK.

So far the revealed scum have had informed and two-shot novice Vanilla cop, which doesn't seem much in comparison to the Town power. I'm guessing the third scum has something to counter the town investigatives? Maybe a JOAT or something?

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Mafia traitor with 4 scum? Is that possible

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We know scum don't have a RB or they would have blocked Cook instead of killing him, or Shig even.

I'm just trying to work out if Datisi is conftown here or whether there's a way he could have evaded detection?

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In terms of play I think Datisi is Town anyway tbh as he's had the same mindset as me on most things this game.

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From the wiki:

Ninja actions cannot be seen performing actions by action-investigative roles (e.g. Tracker, Watcher, Voyeur, Follower, and Motion Detector); all these roles return results as though the Ninja action had not occurred at all.

Does that mean the Tracker would receive a 'no result' or would they receive 'this player didn't go anywhere'?

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Luca, which two of us would you rather be in a final three with?
Us being me, npom, Ranny

I don't really have a preference right now as I can see reasons for all of you being town and scum. As I mentioned before, I'd guess Rannygazoo is the most likely Town out of the three purely based on interactions with the two flipped scum. I'm hoping we can end the game before it gets to that stage.

What are your thoughts right now, Elements?

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I am VT

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I'm looking forward to Datisi's insights.

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.....makes sense, I guess.

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Maybe that's why scum killed Shig - because I remember him claiming to be a Macho Cop at one point.

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That's usually true, but Datisi's role served a function so it's understandable he didn't. I'm not sure how I would have played that role myself.

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I feel like everyone in my PoE is being really cagey atm.

NPOM, where's your head at right now?

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At this point I believe Datisi is Town and I’m willing to let him decide this elim.

Possibly NPOM is cleared? If that’s the case then eliminating Rannygazoo + elements guarantees a win fmpov. Right now I honestly have no idea which one is more likely to be scum.

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DeathNote must have checked NPOM on N2, when Firebringer was still alive. Firebringer was a Vanilla Cop, so I guess it's unlikely he would have done the deed, but it depends on what the third Mafia's power is I guess.

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Given the the Town power in this game, I guess it's possible scum could have a multi-tasking role?

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Maybe I'm just being paranoid.

[Luca Blight]

Given the the Town power in this game, I guess it's possible scum could have a multi-tasking role?

Actually that makes no sense, as Firebringer would have had to have been the multi-tasker.

The only possibility that NPOM is scum is if he has a better power than Vanilla Cop, but as there's seemingly no RB I don't know what that would be.

Actually, even then he would have been Tracked somewhere. Ok, I'm willing to take NPOM as Town here I think. If I'm wrong then I can blame DeathNote

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Well hopefully the game ends here then, otherwise we're screwed.

I don't get why you're so confident Rannygazoo is Town.

[Luca Blight]

luca you wouldn't break my heart here would you?

luca did not answer this

very suspicious hmmmmmmm

I think you know my Town game well enough to know the answer to that

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At this point I believe Datisi is Town and I’m willing to let him decide this elim.

Possibly NPOM is cleared? If that’s the case then eliminating Rannygazoo + elements guarantees a win fmpov. Right now I honestly have no idea which one is more likely to be scum.

This is less solvey than I’ve come to expect from you.

I think it's pretty understandable in the context of having two potential clears.

I just finished a game where I was in this exact position, with there being a conftown in a 4T v 1S scenario, and I said the exact same. When I'm not sure who is scum I am always fine letting the conftown decide, especially when I trust that player's judgement.

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VOTE: Rannygazoo

Now both Rannygazoo and Elements are at E-1 and Datisi can decide.

Based on recent posts I'm leaning slightly more towards Ranny being the final scum, and if he is then he will most likely win in ELO based on NPOM's stance.

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I think NPOM is Town here but I have no confidence in him reading me correctly if it goes to ELO

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Yeah you've also thought I was scum for a good portion of the game which was wrong.

The same applies to you, as you've hard scumread Datisi for most of this game

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I was feeling yesterday that DeathNote was trying to coach Cook. Their early responses today look planned together. So there’s a decent chance they’re part of the scum team. I think DeathNote is the better elim because I would still feel stupid about eliminating a cop at this stage.

I don't know that scum!ranny knowingly pairs two town in the same sentence here.

Like I said this doesn't seem like an informed post.

That's an incredibly low bar you're setting there.

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Based on the recent pages, Elements hard TR me while basically accepting his fate (why not try to miselim me?) while Ranny is voting Elements while throwing a bit of shade at me in preparation for ELO, it feels like to me.

Also if Elements flips green then it's game over, as NPOM votes me over Ranny in ELO.

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luca
if you're scum
and i hammer ranny here
who do you take to final 3

Probably NPOM as he's more likely to make a rash decision, whereas you would consider every possible angle and be open to changing your mind

I think I'd have played this entire game differently if I were scum though so it's hard to say.

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For a minute I thought you'd slipped there

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How is that a town slip?

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In terms of Datisi yes, but his apparent 'clear' on you isn't so clear cut

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

For a sec, as I'm suffering some paranoia here

[Luca Blight]

Today, we are eliming Elements
Tomorrow, if the game isn't over(which it should be) we are eliming Luca.

From the perspective that NPOM isn't clear, then the above is really bad. It's literally lining up the path to glory. As Town he wouldn't be so sure Ranny is Town based on him linking two townies together as possible partners. It makes more sense from the perspective that he's attempting to pocket Ranny.

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We are not eliming Luca.

I would self vote before eliming Luca.

Yeah, so think to yourself what's the difference between those two statements.

I'm not being cryptic about anything, and I'm wanting Datisi to answer.

Today, we are eliming Elements
Tomorrow, if the game isn't over(which it should be) we are eliming Luca.

And this entire progression makes no sense and seems disingenuous.

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ngl i think this is solved going ranny > npom

or even npom > ranny

idk ranny is my logical choice for scum rn and npom is my ??????? choice for scum rn

How tf did you remove Elements from your POE? You said you've been mindmelding with Luca, but Elements?? The guy who did nothing all day but snipe at Daisy and insincerely shade scum when it was convenient?

I think that's a big mistake.

I also wish Luca wouldn't put the pressure of a decision on you when it's clearly hard enough for you already.

This seems a pretty weird thing to say.

Datisi is the conftown. If I were the conftown in the same position, I would expect to call the shots as well.. I feel as though you're trying to shade me in a very subtle manner with regards to this - it's the only explanation I can think of for why you keep bringing this up.

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Look at how the wagons on Saudade and Firebringer developed, though. There was never a super good case against either of them. They both just sort of happened without real opposition, even from Saudade and Firebringer themselves. Scum had communication and morale issues. So we can rule out Datisi and Luca. With Datisi capable of posts like 1142, he would have done something in the main thread to derail the wagons, or at least kept his buddy's spirits up in the scum pt. Luca would have kept his buddy in the game too.

So it's down to Elements or Daisy. There were no real interactions with Firebringer, so let's look at interactions with Saudade.

I feel like all we've been doing today is waiting for a

zuko

replacement so we can then eliminate

saudade

(Coloring mine) I don't see this coming from scum. Why call out your two buddies like that at once?

Luca, you said so yourself (

too late for it to matter

) that the above post is NAI. I had thought scum would be self-conscious about mentioning both buddies like that, but now it seems like El was voicing frustration that there was attention on both buddies for that day.

I still think day play points to the 3rd scum being El. If anyone disagrees, let's talk about it. These blind spots in your PoEs are worrying.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by the bolded?

And I'm still considering Elements, but I'm far from convinced right now that they're the last scum.

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At this point I believe Datisi is Town and I’m willing to let him decide this elim.

Possibly NPOM is cleared? If that’s the case then eliminating Rannygazoo + elements guarantees a win fmpov. Right now I honestly have no idea which one is more likely to be scum.

This is less solvey than I’ve come to expect from you.

I think it's pretty understandable in the context of having two potential clears.

I just finished a game where I was in this exact position, with there being a conftown in a 4T v 1S scenario, and I said the exact same. When I'm not sure who is scum I am always fine letting the conftown decide, especially when I trust that player's judgement.

So the lesson learned is not to trust yourself? There goes the respect I had for you as a player.

I'm trying really really hard not to OMGUS Luca because I'm trying to understand how he's considering the possibility of scum!me setting up a win next day. What Luca doesn't understand is that I'm trying to stop the game from getting to next day!

I'll have to go on without your respect then, as I stand by what I said.

It's not about not trusting myself - if I had a sure SR in this situation I'd be hard-pushing it, although I'd still accept that it's the conftown's call at the end of the day. The fact of the matter is that I don't know who the last scum is right now, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

And you last sentence doesn't really ring true - you were settling for an easy Elements elim while shading me at the same time. How can you not see why I'd think you were possibly scum prepping for ELO based on that? And you've continued to shade me in what I consider to be a disingenuous way.

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Luca's vote made this game a lot more confusing.

To me too. It's like, the solution is right here, why are you doing this????

If you're so confident in your Elements SR then why tf do you keep shading me? That's the part I don't get.

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VC 2.12

Saudade (4)

- DeathNote, NoPowerOverMe, Cook, Elements, Luca Blight, Rannygazoo

(GANKED)

OopsieDaisy (2)

- Datisi

Elements (1)

- OopsieDaisy

NoPowerOverMe(1)

- Saudade

Not Voting (3)

- Prince Zuko, Salsabil Faria

I think Rannygazoo is most likely Town. I'll go into why later. Elements is probably Town as well. If there's a busser then it's most likely NPOM, but possibly DeathNote. The lack of resistance to the wagon + Saudade's apathetic attitude points to him being hard-bussed.

It's also possible he just had inactive partners and was resigned to losing the game, in which case I'd say Daisy and Firebringer are likely to be his partners. I *think* Datisi and Salsa are Town, but I'll need to review again.

You never went into why later iirc.

Can you tell us what you were thinking then regarding me and El, and what changed?

It was a feeling I had at the time based on interactions, which I think I mentioned already. Due to PoE and your recent posts I no longer feel confident calling you Town. I had the feeling scum were hard-bussing, which meant they would have been at the forefront of the wagon, or at least one at the forefront and one off of it.

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And also at the time I didn't know Zuko was scum, which obviously changed my view on you as it meant your D1 play was possibly agenda-driven.

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler:

At this point I believe Datisi is Town and I’m willing to let him decide this elim.

Possibly NPOM is cleared? If that’s the case then eliminating Rannygazoo + elements guarantees a win fmpov. Right now I honestly have no idea which one is more likely to be scum.

This is less solvey than I’ve come to expect from you.

I think it's pretty understandable in the context of having two potential clears.

I just finished a game where I was in this exact position, with there being a conftown in a 4T v 1S scenario, and I said the exact same. When I'm not sure who is scum I am always

fine letting the conftown decide

, especially when I trust that player's judgement.

I can't get over how weird this is. How is this the same player that said

Okie I did it! Read list time :3

Cook/Shigaraki:
Lumping these two together because they’ve both claimed cop and haven’t shown any signs of backing off of it. Vote me over these peeps please.

I get they have claimed cop, but

from your perspective you should be conftown, so I really don't get this mindset

. It feels like some deliberate reverse-psychology.

(Bolding mine in both quotes)

I'm starting to think that Luca is doing the exact thing he's accusing me of. Shading me so if we elim El, he has space to win on ELO.

It's just so inconsistent with what I've seen from Luca on previous days.

You seriously can't see the difference between someone saying on D1 'elim me instead of the cop claims' and me saying in the current situation 'I'm fine letting the conftown decide the elim'?

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Anyone else think Luca is acting weird or am I OMGUSing?

This guy is tentatively testing the water for my mislim, I can feel it. I really can't see this behavior coming from Town.

VOTE: Rannygazoo

E-1

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Tchill, you can’t afford Gobble to be lynched because the game would be up. That’s probably why you asked A50 to replace out as he wasn’t game enough and was heading towards a Lynch.

Anyway this is pointless. I know you’re scum, you know I’m Town. It’s up for Klick to decide.

Mini Normal 2095, he was town in this game.

Let me find you some more recent examples

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Joq is the only conf Town remaining so I'm happy to let him decide the outcome, but I definitely propose an ejj elim today.

I was so ready to vote Gamma and then Luca hammered like that. OK you two should go ahead and cross-vote and make your cases. Or I guess you can try to case me. That would be fun.

It looks more like you're reaching for a reason to cast doubt on me.

I said all along that I was Ok with either you or ejj for the elim and that I Joq should decide it, being the conftown, and he did

. I didn't even see you state intent to hammer, but I wouldn't have cared anyway as the game had stalled out long enough and everyone had already said their piece. I also thought the hammer would quite likely end the game.

[Luca Blight]

I slightly prefer an Outworld elim but Lunar is ok as well. I’m also happy to follow Frogster’s intuition on this one.

[Luca Blight]

i was in that game too
it was not a fun time
don't worry about it

That game was probably the biggest learning curve I've had in Mafia

[Luca Blight]

i don't see the issue between those two lines

Day 1: "It's weird that you defer to a slot with higher utility (cop claims), since you should be conftown from your own perspective."

Day later: "I defer to this slot with higher utility (conftown unless ninja or ascetic or we're just plain misinterpreting DN), even though I'm conftown from my perspective."

the difference is that daisy's head was on the line and she wasn't trying to defend herself. here i'm very much saying that luca is town and we're deciding between the three of you. come on.

That shouldn't matter. Town should be able to think for themselves and solve even if there's heat on them.

Eh?

I am thinking for myself and solving? And there's isn't that much heat on me right now either, so I don't see how any of this relates to me right now

[Luca Blight]

But you were talking about me, right?

[Luca Blight]

This guy is tentatively testing the water for my mislim, I can feel it. I really can't see this behavior coming from Town.

I could say the EXACT same thing about you. We're both being paranoid in the same way.

I feel as though you're desperately digging for any little bit of dirt to throw at me though, rather than it being organic paranoia on your part.

If I could understand why you suspect me I'd acknowledge it as being fair, but I feel like you're reaching.

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And yes, I wouldn't expect you to 100% trust me as I'm not conftown, but the way you're trying to cast doubt on me doesn't seem genuine at all.

[Luca Blight]

If you're so confident in your Elements SR then why tf do you keep shading me? That's the part I don't get.

Because I don’t ACTUALLY know everyone’s alignment. I just do the best I can.

What you call “shading” I call “due diligence”. You’re just being hypersensitive about it for some reason.

You go home and think about what you did.

Maybe it's because an Elements green flip at this juncture would mean victory for scum!ranny?

Or at least it would have done. I'm not sure exactly where NPOM

[Luca Blight]

Stands right now*

Randomly posted by itself before I was ready

[Luca Blight]

I TR NPOM a bit more now as he actually looked into my meta and saw that the thing you've been shading me for isn't scum-indicative.

[Luca Blight]

If you're so confident in your Elements SR then why tf do you keep shading me? That's the part I don't get.

Because I don’t ACTUALLY know everyone’s alignment. I just do the best I can.

What you call “shading” I call “due diligence”. You’re just being hypersensitive about it for some reason.

You go home and think about what you did.

Maybe it's because an Elements green flip at this juncture would mean victory for scum!ranny?

Or at least it would have done. I'm not sure exactly where NPOM

I had LITERALLY the same concern about scum!Luca. Datisi basically said he would give you the victory. NPOM, I’m not so sure what he would do.

It’s hilarious how you’re scumreading me for thinking the same as you.

It's more the timing. You were like 'Ok let's elim Elements. Luca is a bit suspect tho'

*not exact words, but something to that effect.

[Luca Blight]

Tbh I'm not sure. I can see reasons to TR you but your posting today has felt way more agenda driven than Elements'.

[Luca Blight]

Anyway, I'll leave it up to Datisi from here. I've said what I needed to say, but I can clarify or expand on anything if need be.

If it were up to me I'd go for Ranny, but I'm probably only 55% v 45% sure on that one. I just hope the game ends today either way.