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[Datisi]

if you had to vote for one of me or infinity, who would that be

please vote that person we're dangeriously low on time

[Datisi]

VOTE: llama

[Datisi]

i think if llama is scum, he'd have to be scum with like... some mix of 2 out of {andres, s_s, umlaut, samantha, maaaaaybe outworld} which like... doesn't sound too insane.

[Datisi]

actually add anya to the above list as well

pedit:
what are you mulling over
are you gonna say what about the post was bothering you
what about my scum meta is similar to here??

[Datisi]

you sad smiley faces make me wanna fucking strangle you ahahaha

[Datisi]

depends on which part of the game

if you mean early game here, then maybe, i was kinda playing lowkey here bc i was in the endgame of 2195 and i wasn't risking andre/momrangal scumreading me bc of townreading me here

if you feel like anything recent then lol?? what??how is it a similar feel

[Datisi]

like it's a bit difficult to interact with "similar feel lol" when (1) i know you never had any first hand scumtisi meta (2) i have no idea what you're looking at or referring at

[Datisi]

infinity it's y-2 luca unvoted bc he thinks i'm scum pls tell him to stop

[Datisi]

when you're so good at imitating your town tone as scum that people start to scumread you in your towngames </3

[Datisi]

don't fucking tell me what to worry or not to worry about i'm gonna worry about whatever i want

if you want to go into specifics and for me to argue why i am obviously town here then we can do that

[Datisi]

ok let's talk about llama

what is your problem besides "wagon fast"?

[Datisi]

I actually think you’d be reading me as Town here (strongly) if you were Town

But it feels like you’re keeping your options open wrt me

why do you think i should be townreading you here lmfao

and like did you miss earlier when i said my heart really believes the me/you/ico shitfight is all town? do you *really* think i shouldn't be questioning your read on the two of us?

[Datisi]

ok let's talk about llama

what is your problem besides "wagon fast"?

Is that not a significant problem in this context?

So many people are happy with his lim, even though he hasn’t been *that* scummy generally

It feels way too convenient to be scum

as i said, it depends where his partners are/what they are doing

scum is not immune to bussing, and to say that they would never jump onto a fast partner wagon as a bluff is dumb bc again and again town goes "whoa wagon fast"

like it's not a guarantee he's scum but a fast wagon by itself is not a slam dunk towncase

[Datisi]

I actually think you’d be reading me as Town here (strongly) if you were Town

But it feels like you’re keeping your options open wrt me

why do you think i should be townreading you here lmfao

and like did you miss earlier when i said my heart really believes the me/you/ico shitfight is all town? do you *really* think i shouldn't be questioning your read on the two of us?

I feel like I’m way out of my scum range here, even compared to the previous game which was one of my best ever scum games

Compare my D1 play. I really believe you’d hard tr me if you were Town

I’m not saying you shouldn’t question my reads, but I think you’d recognize they’re genuine

and i also kept saying "luca does not give me the same *hmm* vibes he was giving me last game"
like i've literally never voted you and i kept defending you when ico attacked you can you read
literally as we speak i keep saying i think you're town

if you don't expect me not to question your reads then what the fuck is the problem

[Datisi]

luca/dats argument in a shellnut:

"you would be tring me if you were town!"
"well *you* would be tring *me* if you were town!!"

i love it

[Datisi]

like it's not a guarantee he's scum but a fast wagon by itself is not a slam dunk towncase

Yeah obviously this is true. But Llama appears to actually think through issues carefully. If I was trying to get rid of a thoughtful Town voice, and for a player that is not here to defend himself, I would do it with a quick wagon towards the end of the day.

lol think through what? that case on samatha where he pushes on most level-zero contradiction? like typing a lot of words is not townie by itself

[Datisi]

like it's not a guarantee he's scum but a fast wagon by itself is not a slam dunk towncase

Yeah obviously this is true. But Llama appears to actually think through issues carefully. If I was trying to get rid of a thoughtful Town voice, and for a player that is not here to defend himself, I would do it with a quick wagon towards the end of the day.

lol think through what? that case on samatha where he pushes on most level-zero contradiction? like typing a lot of words is not townie by itself

I read what they posted carefully. This is bullshit Datisi and you know better.

even the points you mentioned, "it's difficult to put one in scum shoes" is like, not that complex of an argument, and i already called the earlier defense of outworld weird
whether it's "correct" or not i honestly don't care bc scum can easily make "correct" arguments

andre what is my alignment in this game

[Datisi]

umlaut who do you wanna vote out today

[Datisi]

maybe we blitz rathe, learn absolutely nothing from it, and continue this shouting match on day 2

[Datisi]

i was 98% shitposting

[Datisi]

I feel as though Town!Datisi would be feeling as I feel right now: Concerned about this Llama wagon

It’s not like you even really hard SR him or anything. Even when it’s your hard SR’s you normally deliberate over their Lims around deadline

it's easy to say when your own head is not on the line

i don't hard scumread anyone rn, actually maybe my preferred vote would even be s_s because him being mia is fucking bullshit but that's literally as deep as that argument goes

like i am "concerned" but i'm also being realistic, in that we have a little over 12 hours left, *any* wagon we get going will be fast, llama is not a townread, yeet

saying i'm 100% on it flipping scum would be a big lie but at some point we have to make a decision

[Datisi]

@Datisi I’ll turn it around and ask you, do you think I’m Town? What do you think about Infinity? Can you ISO and give some thoughts there?

i've already talked about that i think

you give me the same feelings as the past two games we've played together, and that is about as deep as my read on you is gonna go on day one

infinity is like *fine* but also very forgettable and a semi-okay candidate for scum but i have zero faith in that

i did like a 30 second skim though both your isos and i got absolutely nothing from it, i don't like isoing

[Datisi]

VOTE: infinity

i don't know

fuck this game

[Datisi]

[Datisi]

i think 4 but i'm not sure

[Datisi]

i want to scream

[Datisi]

it's so fucking obvious

[Datisi]

andres do you now want to vote llama

like i saw him online for a split second, he's on 5 votes i think, we can force a claim there

i really don't fucking care anymore

[Datisi]

actually infinity/llama are probably not together? who knows really

[Datisi]

samantha could you please stop vanity-ing me, we need an execution here

[Datisi]

i am growingly getting concerned that infinity is not posting

[Datisi]

tldr llama got to 6 luca unvoted now it's llama 5 infinity 4

[Datisi]

idk it showed you online and it's curious if you disappear right after getting 4 votes you feel

pedit: @infinity

[Datisi]

luca why are you not asleep

[Datisi]

ok but 12 to deadline you're not getting me today so either compromise and maybe be able to get me tomorrow or be an anti-town ass and see how well that works out for you

[Datisi]

is me and luca are partners then this is some next level theater i am impressed

[Datisi]

if* me and luca are partners ahahah lol

[Datisi]

go infinity or stick to llama

ok works lol

[Datisi]

you weren't posting in the game and we are dangerously low on time

infinity or llama and why

[Datisi]

lol what about that post is town

[Datisi]

hate to be interrupting but i really don't wanna leave the yeet for last minute so

s_s, which one of infinity and llama is scummier

please vote that person

thank you

[Datisi]

s_s, which one of infinity and llama is scummier

please vote that person

I'm... probably not the best person to be making this decision, don't you think?

my objective is to make sure this day does not end without a yeet

[Datisi]

like otherwise i really don't give a fuck

[Datisi]

hate to be interrupting but i really don't wanna leave the yeet for last minute so

s_s, which one of infinity and llama is scummier

please vote that person

thank you

there's enough time to switch to someone else

who

i'm not voting luca nor myself

outworld if no other option

[Datisi]

less than 13 hours remaining

like at some point we *really* need to start forcing claims here so that we have time to react

[Datisi]

koto do you wanna vote infinity

[Datisi]

i just wanna force a claim at this point and i really don't care which one of llama/infinity goes

[Datisi]

what townspew

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if llama gets on 6 votes he is automatically under intent by me

[Datisi]

also llama it would be lovely to actually see you post (:

[Datisi]

s_s, which one of infinity and llama is scummier

[Datisi]

will you type their name inbetween the vote tags and press the submit button

[Datisi]

because i see your name on the "currently online" list and you're not voting either of them right now and i would like to see less empty promises and more actually getting something done and i really don't wanna be setting my alarm for 6am tomorrow morning so that i can be here 2 hours before deadline

[Datisi]

i'm gonna claim it is to hopefully bully you into doing it

[Datisi]

i want this day to be over because i really REALLY don't want to be playing mafia right now but my brain is not gonna let me not be anxious about this game until we go into night

[Datisi]

complaining about the gamestate but not offering any alternatives, love to fucking see it

[Datisi]

s_s voting on day one
it's happening

I really hate S_S' stance of refusing to vote or even express any kind of preference for one wagon over another

Well good news I have a stance now, I vastly prefer the Rathe and Koto wagons over the Infinity and Llama ones.

why

[Datisi]

i think rathe is gonna happen today and it's gonna be the dumbest fucking wagon ever but what can you do

[Datisi]

hi ico pls drink plenty of water and eat something lmfao

[Datisi]

i think rathe is gonna happen today and it's gonna be the dumbest fucking wagon ever but what can you do

What you can do is argue against it, if you don't like it?

i (1) don't have good arguments (2) really wanna send this game to hell so

[Datisi]

rathe is currently at 3, probably the best bet after infinity/llama so

[Datisi]

by best bet i mean best bet for getting *a* flip

not for getting a *scum* flip

lol

[Datisi]

rathe is currently at 3, probably the best bet after infinity/llama so

how many people are open to voting you do you think

3 or 4 said they'd vote there? you could probably get another 3 to hammer with "deadline!!" if you scream loud enough

i'm going to bed in an hour or two so i won't be around to defend myself and scream back

[Datisi]

how sad it is that biggest proponents of me being scum are luca and samatha

and i can't scumread them

[Datisi]

Unofficial VC according to me
----
Infinity 324 (5): Andresvmb, Datisi, Luca Blight, Umlaut, Iconeum
Llamafluff (3): Koto, Rathe, Anya
Rathe (3): Infinity 324, Llamafluff, Something_Smart
samantha97 (1): OutworldER
Koto (1): samantha97

Not Voting (0):

Deadline

:(expired on 2021-04-03 02:15:25)

it's almost 1am, i'm gonna go to bed soon. i will set my alarm to go off at 6:30am (on a fucking saturday!!!) which is gonna be a little less than 2 hours before deadline. i will vote anyone at that point.

i am literally *begging* all of you to not still be in day 1 when my alarm goes off.

[Datisi]

6. Provable randomness - Against the rules. Saying that you rolled a die is fine, using dice tags or random.org is not.

[Datisi]

i don't think that's a modkillable offense but i agree it would be the single most fucking hilarious way for this day to end

[Datisi]

i didn't have anything to respond with. that made you absence in the moment nai but that wasn't why i was voting you in the first place.

same reason: i don't have anything to respond with. it legitimately didn't ping me either way.

[Datisi]

VOTE: rathe

y-1

Unofficial VC according to me
----
Infinity 324 (3): Andresvmb, Umlaut, Iconeum
Llamafluff (3): Koto, Rathe, Anya
Rathe (6): Infinity 324, Llamafluff, Something_Smart, OutworldER, Luca Blight, Datisi
Koto (1): samantha97

Not Voting (0):

Deadline

:(expired on 2021-04-03 02:15:25)

[Datisi]

jesus christ it's 6 hours away and we're still switching wagons?

this is rich coming from you ahaha

[Datisi]

also rathe's location says uk and rn it's 1am there so good fucking luck with getting a claim i guess

see ya in ~4 hours if we're still here

[Datisi]

tbh we should've just killed outworld once he claimed vt

would've saved a lot of headache

pedit: LOL

[Datisi]

VOTE: outworld

WHEN IN DOUBT

[Datisi]

oh right llama is not gonna want to vote this either bc of something i don't even remember anymore lol

[Datisi]

VOTE: rathe

i hate literally all of you, including myself <333

[Datisi]

Also the "Maybe Rathe wont be around" argument isnt strong. He has posted between current time and deadline for five straight real life days if my count is right (for me going back to Sunday evening with deadline being near midnight this Friday)

he claims pr with like one hour to deadline

what do

no yeet lol

VOTE: outworld

someone fucking kill me i can't sleep this game is giving me anxiety

[Datisi]

Unofficial VC according to me
----
Infinity 324 (3): Andresvmb, Umlaut, Iconeum
Llamafluff (3): Koto, Rathe
Rathe (5): Infinity 324, Llamafluff, Something_Smart, OutworldER, Anya
OutWorldER (3): Luca Blight, samantha97, Datisi

Not Voting (0):

Deadline

:(expired on 2021-04-03 02:15:25)

i think idk is 3 am

[Datisi]

llama is at 2*

[Datisi]

well alright, worst case scenario i'll hammer that before deadline

then it will flip tpr and luca will yell at me xD

[Datisi]

if rathe flips red i will be absolutely FLOORED, that wagon looks disgusting lmfao

[Datisi]

If Rathe is limmed i’d actually celebrate a VT flip, that’s how bad this is

i am trying not to wake the house up from laughing at this

[Datisi]

enabler of what?

[Datisi]

did... did rathe just try to fakeclaim enabler without knowing how that role works

this is not happening right

[Datisi]

hm. mailman isn't that strong of a role, but could be smt like loyal mailman which is basically a cop

pedit: nvm then

[Datisi]

actually i just realized something

[Datisi]

oh my god loyal fucking mailman

[Datisi]

luca did you see it earlier

we might have had a loyal mailman in town ahahaha

[Datisi]

luca please tell me you also saw it

[Datisi]

maybe

we'll see post flips n shit

[Datisi]

p sure that was hammer??

[Datisi]

i really really hope my tinfoil isn't correct here bc if it is town is completely fucked

[Datisi]

Maybe Datisi is Town after all

luca what made you say this

[Datisi]

tbh i don't mind yeeting a scum enabler whatever the fuck he's enabling, i just kinda really doubt this is scum lol

[Datisi]

pls don't die

ok goodnight

[Datisi]

actually can someone double check if that was hammer and if i should set my alarm or if i can turn it off

[Datisi]

i doubt there would be an enabler for just a mailman

something happened earlier that actually makes perfect sense with there being a loyal mailman

i just really fucking wish samantha gave me more than 3 seconds to think about it

[Datisi]

@llama sam was on outworlder

Me, datisi, umlaut, you, s_s, sam, outworld is 7

anya instead of me but wtv

[Datisi]

rathe: Infinity 324, Llamafluff, Something_Smart, OutworldER, Luca Blight, Anya, Umlaut

luca was on outworlder

[Datisi]

i'm town, do with that what you wish infinity

[Datisi]

samantha with all due respect stfu lol

if this flips green you're the one going tomorrow

[Datisi]

yes

goodnight

[Datisi]

i think overnight i went from "having too many townreads" to "scumreading almost everyone" jesus that eod wagon was utter shit

[Datisi]

Maybe Datisi is Town after all

luca what made you say this

I’ll tell you tomorrow

hi

[Datisi]

probably a bunch of scum on wagon considering my current reads + that nightkill

koto could be off wagon but i'd bet he's the only scum off wagon, if such exists

[Datisi]

samantha we gon need to have a talk because your scumread on me makes no sense and i'd love it if we both stopped wasting energy there

also why the fuck did you quickhammer

[Datisi]

once again andres rolled town... at least i correctly got to town!andres before seeing his flip :')

[Datisi]

koto's mailman stuff might have been tmi

what is this referring to? (i may have not read from when i went to bed to flip)

[Datisi]

also i fully intend to obvtown the fuck out of this game now so luca can for sure get his head out of his ass and solve this game for me

Rathe (7) Infinity 324, llamafluff, Something_Smart, outworldER, Anya, Umlaut, samantha97
this + koto is the pool for the rest of the game

[Datisi]

koto's mailman stuff might have been tmi

what is this referring to? (i may have not read from when i went to bed to flip)

lol

those seem like shitpost but what do i know

[Datisi]

VOTE: infinity

an old tell says whoever seems to know why a person was nightkilled is the one who did it

[Datisi]

luca we gon solve the fucking game ok?? for the good old times???

[Datisi]

god so many juicy wagons at eod

i have so much schoolwork to do so obviously i will instead be doing wagon analysis

but later lel

[Datisi]

it's not about andres scumreading infinity and then dying, it's about infinity bringing up theories why andres was killed completely unprompted

[Datisi]

Datisi if I'm town do you think scum tried to save their buddy llama or was scum just watching a bunch of town wagons pop up and disappear

i have no fucking clue i haven't had the strength to go into wagons yet

i'll probably do shit later, i'm going for a walk now

[Datisi]

luca do you actually not fucking townread me yet

[Datisi]

this game is causing me enough pain as is, can you stop lmfao

[Datisi]

VOTE: outworld

[Datisi]

koto, what are your reads currently?

[Datisi]

Rathe (7) Infinity 324, llamafluff, Something_Smart, outworldER, Anya, Umlaut, samantha97
this + koto is the pool for the rest of the game

Why?

the shitwagon mostly
and i don't townread almost anyone on that list individually either

[Datisi]

who is scum, s_s?

[Datisi]

the shitwagon mostly

Why wouldn't scum stay off the wagon, especially if

there's no danger of a scum being executed instead

?

why are you assuming this?

[Datisi]

also counterpoint: deadline rushes can hit tprs, as it did.

[Datisi]

also counterpoint: deadline rushes can hit tprs, as it did.

That’s why I was hard-pushing Outworld’s lim as at worst it would be VT

i am aware, as was i

what are your current feelings on him?

[Datisi]

like, besides the "eod pop in", what do you think about The Towny Post now

[Datisi]

s_s can you stop throwing out useless theoryposts and actually start working your own reads out

[Datisi]

His end of day pop-in seemed very scummy in context

i have like a vague memory that i saw his name on the list of online people earlier that day when there were other wagons but he didn't pop in at that time

if outworld flips scum, one/both of his buddies was being wagoned earlier and he was strategically lurking bc he didn't know whether to bus or push elsewhere, marking it right now

[Datisi]

I certainly want to look more into Umlaut/Llama to name but two before Today is through

what?

[Datisi]

two before Today is through

what does this mean lol

[Datisi]

i'm trying to big brain if that is a scumslip of some kind or not, i should chill probably lmfao

[Datisi]

luca if there's a post i don't understand i assume it was meant for different pt

outworld what are your reads

[Datisi]

the amount of sad smiley faces luca is posting at me this game is concerning

i think it's AtE

[Datisi]

Datisi now many sad faces did I post when I was scum last game?

irrelevant

you know if you want to successfully pocket me again, you need to get your play onto the next level

hence now you're trying to seduce me with your sad smiley faces

i see through your tricks

[Datisi]

jesus that samantha post is making me roll my eyes

how am i scum here?? what meta do you have on me?? what was the point you were trying to make yesterday by quoting that part of 2195?? what do vibes mean? bc i was off wagon?? like

you're wasting energy why do you refuse to work with me

[Datisi]

My reads on you and Luca haven't changed from yesterday.

this bothers me bc you said the est way to catch scumtisi is to get me to react quickly

and i've been live posting at eod and since d2 started and i kinda find it difficult to believe you're not taking that into account of your read of me at all???

[Datisi]

I didn't say you were, I said either you are or luca is

why so defensive this time

nah, you've been calling me scummy all game for ??? reasons that you constantly refuse to elaborate on properly which makes me unable to have a normal conversation with you

assuming there must be one off wagon is level zero

like i think you're town but it's so fucking annoying bc you keep scumreading me and i'm trying to work with you and you're not interested in reevaluating at all, not even that you're not even giving me the chance of talking about your points because you refuse to talk to me about them?

[Datisi]

like i'm getting defensive because it's pissing me off

i'm not scum and your constant lolscumread is a pain in the ass

[Datisi]

you don't get to tell me what i am allowed to get defensive about

i was low energy d1 and now i feel nothing but pettiness and willingness to argue

[Datisi]

She's been lolscumreading everyone but me and is very transparently trying to chain mine and Luca's elims.

why do you refuse to see that this slot is scum.

god this reads so much like scum trying to push onto a townie doing quirky weird things

why did you ignore 2463

[Datisi]

it's ok but if you're town then luca is mafia 100%

again, what is the logic other than "must be scum off wagon"?? like you've had a scumread on both of us and frankly i still have no idea why you have either??

[Datisi]

let's talk about umlaut

sure. i'll take a look at the wagons myself at some point soon

[Datisi]

samantha, why are koto and infinity town

[Datisi]

i don't do second hand meta myself, sorry
if you have an actual case i'm willing to read it

why is that *that* town indicative for mom/koto?

[Datisi]

2296 is speaking to me

i'm pretending to know how to play this game and i keep arriving at infinity and outworld being scum

[Datisi]

If OW is town like I still think he is, will try and visit that tonight and solve it either way, I think that actually is heavy

townpoints

for Luca/Dats because it means they would have been at the last minute trying to change from unknown town to VT. I think

scum

is a bit more willing to make that move in light on Rathe having been town.

is one of these a typo or...?

[Datisi]

Would you guys rather brutally execute Iconeum or Datisi?

why is nobody asking why this post got made in the first place

[Datisi]

i mean i have a feeling we would be at that regardless, but maybe you're right that it wouldn't look like this idk

why is outworld town?

[Datisi]

My limpool for today is {Samantha, S_S, Umlaut} in order of preference. Sam and S_S for reasons already stated and Umlaut because my TR's are on that wagon and I'm mostly null on that slot.

wasn't umlaut being voted by anya and samantha here

lmfao what

[Datisi]

i will have to read llama's posts in depth better when i wake up properly but i do remember seeing anya vote rathe and feeling like there was something wrong there (note for me for later)

[Datisi]

the way i keep looking at this game is i keep b preflipping outworld as scum in my head and drawing associates there and maybe i should stop doing that

[Datisi]

Right now the only player I TR with any confidence is Datisi

how the turntables

anyway another thing i have on my mind how you have this weird blocc of infinity/outworld/llama and maybe s_s and umlaut who seem to like. consistently townread each other, but the blocc as a whole seems lowkey guaranteed to have scum in it? which is making me hate this game bc someone is either pocketed, the scum really is as obvious as "townread both partners yeet", or i'm going wrong everywhere

ok gotta go pretend to pay attention to class, see ya in a few hours

[Datisi]

ico are you around? we need to talk

can you tell me your opinion on andres' 2296 and my 2649

[Datisi]

i'm about to have another coffee, you wanna interaction?

[Datisi]

ok let's break it down then
we're at this vc viewtopic.php?p=12690126#p12690126
llama and infinity are leading wagons, with infinity probably being the main one / the one that will go through

why is there suddenly a spike on rathe? and look at this
infinity wagon was {andre, datisi, luca, umlaut, ico}
rathe wagon was {infinity, llama, s_s, outworld,

luca

,

datisi

, anya, umlaut, samantha}

up until luca, there is *no overlap* between the infinity voters and the rathe voters.

the main question here is

why?

[Datisi]

hold on i'm working out a post in my head, give me a bit

[Datisi]

ok so my ramble on "why isn't infinity dead"?

let's assume infinity town. why isn't she dead? why didn't scum push her through?

you could argue "well bc scum was already on her" but i don't think that's right. who was on her, andre/me/luca/umlaut/ico. like out of those names, *maybe* umlaut is scum i feel. i don't think this is right.

so then what? there was a town!driven wagon on town!infinity, and then there was *another* town!driven wagon on rathe? for absolutely no reason? and scum was doing... *nothing*? lol. people that weren't on neither infinity nor rathe are... koto and rathe himself. i don't think this is likely either.

you could argue that both wagons were town-driven, and scum didn't care which one they got on. but late-joiners to rathe were outworld and anya, neither of who were on the infinity wagon. those didn't care to act earlier. scum who doesn't care which one goes through would probably vote infinity earlier on.

and like, i wanna compare this situation to the italiano wagon in 2195. it was day one, short amount of time till deadline, italiano was town, on some ~5 votes. the wagon was *relatively* pure (i was the only scum hardpushing him). do you know what my scumbuddies were doing? they were sitting on their asses doing absolutely nothing and pretending that italiano didn't exist. because they knew town will be forced into that yeet anyway, since short on time etc. and i feel like that rule *could* be generalized here, because why would scum be rushing to get onto a wagon? they don't have to. let town destroy themselves. so why was there *such* a goddamn rush to get rathe yeeted?

[Datisi]

this weird blocc of infinity/outworld/llama and maybe s_s and umlaut who seem to like. consistently townread each other

like. i have a feeling eithe ri have this game completely ass-backwards or this pools is guaranteed i have multiple scum in it. because frankly, i find it very concerning these people all just so happen to be town on like, most if not all other members of this blocc?

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i have a feeling either i have this game completely ass-backwards or this pools is guaranteed to have multiple scum in it.

i cannot spell today

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pool*
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infinity/outworld would also fit my tinfoil of "outowrorld is scum panic-lurking when his buddy(ies) were being wagoned but is right there when rathe needs support to die"

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you thinking those were scum/scum wagons?

i did think llama/infinity interactions were clearing but i genuinely would not be surprised if this were the case.

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why was andres silenced?

you can argue it was to frame infinity but why is literally nobody looking in her direction then?

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this weird blocc of infinity/outworld/llama and maybe s_s and umlaut who seem to like. consistently townread each other

like. i have a feeling eithe ri have this game completely ass-backwards or this pools is guaranteed i have multiple scum in it. because frankly, i find it very concerning these people all just so happen to be town on like, most if not all other members of this blocc?

i mean, if you take away my townreads this is pretty close to my PoE

is this saying that you have multiple townreads in this pool, or that you agree with those slots being low-ish/poe?

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if i were any braver i'd say all scum is in {infinity, outworld, anya, llama} but like. eh.

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ico what do you think of luca?

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My limpool for today is {Samantha, S_S, Umlaut} in order of preference. Sam and S_S for reasons already stated and Umlaut because my TR's are on that wagon and I'm mostly null on that slot.

i'm rereading and again. *how* is this something that comes from a town mindset. like the main driver of the umlaut wagon is his strongest scumread. how is this anything other than an ass-pull??

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ico what do you think of luca?

better then day 1

prob town

still townreading you

how's your paranoia of me on this day?

i'm trying to work on it as we speak lol

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Spoiler:

ok so my ramble on "why isn't infinity dead"?

let's assume infinity town. why isn't she dead? why didn't scum push her through?

you could argue "well bc scum was already on her" but i don't think that's right. who was on her, andre/me/luca/umlaut/ico. like out of those names, *maybe* umlaut is scum i feel. i don't think this is right.

so then what? there was a town!driven wagon on town!infinity, and then there was *another* town!driven wagon on rathe? for absolutely no reason? and scum was doing... *nothing*? lol. people that weren't on neither infinity nor rathe are... koto and rathe himself. i don't think this is likely either.

you could argue that both wagons were town-driven, and scum didn't care which one they got on. but late-joiners to rathe were outworld and anya, neither of who were on the infinity wagon. those didn't care to act earlier. scum who doesn't care which one goes through would probably vote infinity earlier on.

and like, i wanna compare this situation to the italiano wagon in 2195. it was day one, short amount of time till deadline, italiano was town, on some ~5 votes. the wagon was *relatively* pure (i was the only scum hardpushing him). do you know what my scumbuddies were doing? they were sitting on their asses doing absolutely nothing and pretending that italiano didn't exist. because they knew town will be forced into that yeet anyway, since short on time etc. and i feel like that rule *could* be generalized here, because why would scum be rushing to get onto a wagon? they don't have to. let town destroy themselves. so why was there *such* a goddamn rush to get rathe yeeted?

You forget, that for mafia it is a good idea to change wagon from town to town in last minute. It causes chaos. Chaos is good for mafia.

not necessarily. if a town yeet is secured, they don't have incentive to start another wagon. it's ~effort~ for no particular gain, and scum generally doesn't effort for the hell of it.

besides, we could easily argue infinity is a *better* day 1 yeet for scum than rathe. unless scum specifically knew rathe is a power role (and they had no way of knowing so), yeeting infinity is better because she seems like a stronger / more influential player than rathe.

do you think that is what's happened? do you think both infinity and rathe are town and scum was jumping around for the hell of it? if yes, then why aren't you pushing the leaders of the rathe wagon? if no, why are you throwing out theory for the sake of throwing it without trying to prove me wrong?

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like koto from town!you pov, there was scum on both wagons. and the first 4 people that voted for rathe were *not* on the infinity wagon. how is the best you get from that "scum can change wagons from town to town last minute lol"?

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or like, from town!you pov, all 3 scum were on at least one of the wagons.*

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Datisi, thoughts on Llama's case on Anya?

i think it potentially has merit. anya was acting decently weird around the infinity/outworld wagons imho.

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i still want to vote infinity

i just *don't understand* what in the everloving fuck was happening near eod1 if infinity is town

scum doesn't give a shit to ~spew chaos~ if they don't have to. like they just don't. occam's. path of least resistance.

if infinity is town... i'd assume multiple scum on her wagon. andres/datisi/luca/ico/umlaut. like ~2 here. luca/umlaut? does that make any sense?

because we know rathe is town. and if infinity is also town, i just don't see such a huge spike on rathe, unless scum was already pushing infinity, and town *just so happened* to suddently get immense levels of bloodlust for rathe.

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VOTE: infinity

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if infinity!scum, partners are {outworld, anya, llama}, with {luca/samantha/mmmaybe umlaut} being "in case of emergency, break glass" partners

if infinity!town... god i'm gonna have a nice convo with luca ahahahahah

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someone please reality check me if this makes sense or if my chronic lack of sleep and crippling caffeine addiction have finally gotten the better of me

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if infinity!scum, partners are {outworld, anya, llama}, with {luca/samantha/mmmaybe umlaut} being "in case of emergency, break glass" partners

with llama/anya being probably not partnered but don't quote me on that

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If infinity flips Town you’ll scumread me?

maybe

i need to think about if my "if infinity and rathe are both town, and with such a rush to get rathe over the finish line, that means there was already mutliple scum on infinity" read makes any sense

if it does, then yeah you/umlaut is probably where i look after infinity town!flip

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i need to think about if my "if infinity and rathe are both town, and with such a rush to get rathe over the finish line, that means there was already mutliple scum on infinity" read makes any sense

i think? it does?

because if (1) infinity is town and (2) her wagon is mostly pure, then scum either doesn't bother with a counterwagon and just sits on their asses (likely) or actually pushes her through (a bit less likely).

i don't think they start a brand new wagon. and this is an interesting situation because the first 4 voters on rathe *do not overlap* with infinity voters. which is why i'm ~somewhat okay with saying this.

of course, if rathe/infinity both town, the overlaps are me/luca, and well i'm not scum...

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I think you’re putting too much stock in the wagonomics - it should supplement scum hunting but not be the basis of it imo, as it is possible for scum and town to act unpredictably in such instances. What we really need is a scum flip before we can make real sense of the wagons or draw any hard conclusions from them

sure. but also the main and loudest person who would agree with this got their brains blown out last night.

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maybe i'm projecting because i just walked out of a scumgame where we left andres alive as long as he was loud and *wrong*, but the moment we sensed he was about to get onto the right track, we made sure he shut the fuck up. but like. i'm gonna have a hard time ignoring this.

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yes i know

and the fact that (1) they make sense (2) he was a loud proponent of me/you/luca townblocc and against whatever the fuck is happening on the other blocc and (3) he's d e a d

is making me think these arguments are worth repeating

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there are reasons why town can quickhammer town

infinity being magically saved by the gamestate is worth looking into more than the derphammer imo

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mr blight, how may i interest you in an infinity vote?

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infinity is execution bait???

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koto, can you stop talking about vague theories and say what you think is actually happening?

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There is a lot of gain in change wagon from brutal execution bait town -> town. It sets up a good misbrutal-execution for next day

like, if you think this is happening, who is scum then? me?

if yes, why aren't you voting me? if no, why are you theory arguing something you don't believe in the first place?

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do you have reasons to think infinity is town?

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VOTE: infinity

oops

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why *are* you going after infinity though

like you seemed to townread her somewhat and wanted me to look at anya?

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nooo luca :(

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then why are you making me sad now </3

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I liked Infinity’s change of heart on Llama late D1

But she is still coasting on that sr a bit so idk

didn't infinity say she's no longer scumreading llama and is now voting umlaut?

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luca did you roll scum again ;_;

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i'm getting paranoia over being sheeped

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And don’t literally ask me again and again to join the wagon if you don’t want to be sheeped lol

shhh

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"luca is doing what i repeatedly asked him to do... must be scum..."

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how sad is it to be townread for this idiocy lmao

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10 mafiascum bucks that ico/luca are scum/scum and i am truly utter shite at this game

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if infinity is town... i'd assume multiple scum on her wagon.

Walk me through this? I'm not sure why scum wouldn't necessarily switch from llama to rathe for example. But that would make llama town. Sigh

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like if you're town you, should've died.

if your wagon is mostly townie, then scum can either push you over the edge, or wait around until the town does that. like those are the two likely options imo. and the fact that the third option happened? sudden lolwagon on rathe?

and with minimal voter overlap?

like come on. you're never gonna sell me on "scum would rather execute town!rathe than town!infinity" that's bullshit. rathe had zero influence over anything. especially if they can late-join your wagon then push the main wagoners tomorrow.

like, if you flip town, the only explanation i can come up with is "scum was *already* pushing town!infinity and rathe-wagon was a town-motivated counterwagon". because nothing makes any sense otherwise. if you're town, where is scum?

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"oops it's deadline i hate this wagon but deadline lol here goes vote: infnity"

damn so difficult

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i'm not sure what you're arguing? that the whole scumteam was pretend-townreading you and that's why they didn't wanna vote you?

if llama is scum, don't you think even greater chance you just die? (esp if you think the wagon that *was* on you is townie?) like argument from deadline would work fine. you're a much more dangerous town than rathe. this doesn't make sense.

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and infinity/andres would be a huge distraction today if you're t/t which scum would love. like... this doesn't make sense...