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In post 1345, KittyTacky wrote:Wasting a lim on N_M is anti-town since we have bigger fish to fry right now. You seem to be so eager to do it when there are scummier people being voted. Kinda sus NGL.
NO, you read my post wrong. WE SHOULD HAVE elim NM, past tense.
That was my WHOLE point. It is too late now, town are lumbered with NM for the rest of the game.
What are your reads Kitty?
Right.
SOLIDLY TOWN
Me (duh)
UNOwen - for reasons explained above
DkKoba - just kinda a tonal read?
KINDA TOWN
flow - seems to play in a similar way as Newbie 2055 which recently finished and they were town in that game
Rathe - another tonal read, aggressive which is usually a town thing right?
You agree with Arte's meta explanation for Norwegian scum?
Actually a pretty good point.
How can you "agree" to a meta scum read?
(And how would Kitty even know if Artemisia’s meta read is accurate, and much more importantly. Who they even are?
I swear there were non-meta things here.
Anyways suspicion is circling me, time to claim as this is just a repeat of Newbie 2055 otherwise.
I am a Town 2-Shot Roleblocker. I did not block anyone last night as I wanted to save shots. I crumbed it here:
In post 251, KittyTacky wrote:I feel we could forgive NM, TBH. A bit of trolling is fine in a game as long as it's not overdone. Mafia is meant to be fun after all.
Rather than hanging people for joking... Better to carry on with the game.
The first letters of each word spell out IAMRB -> I AM RB ->
I
A
m
R
ole
B
locker.
so what if they crumbed it, the issue isn't whether they are a roleblocker but their alignment lol
also look at the posts after that, they are entirely doctor-minded
side thought: if not_mafia is mafia, and I don't think he is, that probably means dkkoba is mafia
simple and complex both power role hunt to the same degree
Spoiler:
In post 1839, Not_Mafia wrote:Why would town have a role that's purely for PR hunting? It's a straight-up scum role and I look forward to hammering Cycling
Spoiler: I'm spoilering this and breaking the vote tags cause I changed my mind after looking at all the claims, but still think there could be something there
I was gonna vote kitty but ya at least one of anya or elsa should die before lylo; I'll vote for either of them VOTE: elsa jayVOTE:
I actually had anya written here then read this post
NotMaf- the reliable extra vote. When I figure out who cycling is and why he wants them gone I'll get more outta him besides Nullscum.
Flow- has berated my comedy routine but also feels like the leader in most discussions. Don't think he's going to be new but also become a town leader as scum. So town most likely.
Moz- Uh. I trusted him because he was a bunny before and agreed with me killing Jim but now he's... Weirder. Scumlean.
Koba- My ultimate detractor. A scumread to me because they're a big hurdle for me and I got other townreads but frankly I don't want them gone today.
Anya- My not as intelligent but equally beautiful twin. Trust them completely now since they spoke up about a piece of my role I kept secret for a reason. Might need to guide her actions for her.
Rathe- Didn't hammer me so that's something. But he's still just uh... Not as loud as the others. Null.
Eso- Also did agree with me earlier about the hammer but unlike Moz was reasonable about denying a connection to me. Still null but probably more town then scum rn.
Owen- I clear him because I do think the other 2 Mafia have roles useful to not be used in killing day 1 so they make the goon do it instead. Hence no movement from Owen = not goon. So safe.
Norway- Keep forgetting he's here? Still didn't like his wishy washy response to him agreeing to a Jim hammer but also disagreeing and the same time. Scumlean.
Kitty- Honestly even before the claim I townread him so even if I disagree with him claiming he's town. Also his role supports there being multiple scum actions at night.
that's essentially thinking everyone is town, which is not a town mindset
also elsa fits the "low but not too low" on kitty's list; the thing going against them being mafia is that they reached l-1 at all and that kitty was one of the people voting them
also the kitty forgetting anya thing could have been a mafia oversight since they already know anya's alignment
I checked up all claims last night and this is what we got so far.
Alive/Not confirmed
esotericzoomer -
No claim
Not_Mafia -
No claim
UNOwen
No claim
flow trap -
No claim
KittyTacky -
2-Shot Roleblocker
Anya -
Complex Motion Detector
Elsa Jay -
Simple Motion Detector
NorwegianboyEE -
1-Shot Bodyguard
DkKoba -
Claims to be PR
Dead/Fully confirmed roles
Jim Hawkins -
Vanilla Town
Rathe -
Vanilla Town
(Did not claim anything yesterday)
Artemiana -
Town 3-Shot Disloyal Checker
Mozamis -
Town Personal Tracker
I feel like mass claim could be wise at this point. It's also interesting Rathe was the kill decision here, considering all of the PR claims.
First of all, i'm curious what Dkkoba's reason for asking slots to target them yesterday is.
this is mafia, also norwegian's claim does fit but it also fits as a mafia role to use in conjunction with complex or simple motion detector; I suspect since mafia don't have multitasking it'd be something like "you have rolecop until one of you dies"
all targeting roles fall into that category
Spoiler:
In post 2052, flow trap wrote:1. Norwee - I don't think the claim makes sense with the setup and it's possible moz found something there
NM - I could see NM acting more helpful than normal to not get shot as a mafia life is greater than a town life
Owen - If I remember correctly, they also pulled the take the TR and roll with it
these last pages are really a pain to read
did I read the thread with a bias?
I'm gonna double post for the last thing I wanna say cause no one is going to read this
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Post #2427 (isolation #5) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:18 pm
Postby samantha97 »
In post 2424, DkKoba wrote:if this flips town then idfk and we prob lose because idk who third is here - dont vote daystart tomorrow if thats the case thats how you lose games kthx
my current guess on a team is norwee/samantha(eso slot)/elsa
if any of those flip town then go anya
why vote outside of the dual roles that would benefit mafia and almost definitely exist to ferret out the checker (in conjunction with some other role, like visitor or bodyguard)
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Post #2454 (isolation #10) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:05 am
Postby samantha97 »
that conclusion is hmmmmm
I said it was elsa/anya + flowtrap/norwegian
the idea is you use one of the trash targeting roles (flowtrap/norwegian) and the simple/complex (elsa/anya) to find the checker who is basically a cop
I just thought it was more likely flowtrap, and also thought it made more sense to resolve elsa/anya first
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Post #2476 (isolation #12) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:09 am
Postby samantha97 »
In post 2475, Elsa Jay wrote:Samantha gave me "no result". I clarify this again, that's not "No movement detected". That means my action failed on them.
So literally the only 2 options there are they lied about being VT or Kitty finally decided to roleblock me.
I don't know enough to know that those are the only 2 options, but if they are then cool we solved the game even if you're town
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Post #2482 (isolation #13) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:13 pm
Postby samantha97 »
In post 2479, DkKoba wrote:Samantha - can you explain how you reached Norwegianboy town here?
no I read 13 pages only when I said that
and
In post 2480, DkKoba wrote:I think norwee spewed this slot as scum.
Look at how much norwee shades nm and only puts forth a half push once its clear that town is surrounding them.
all lists by mafia contain 1 mafia so I wouldn't be heartbroken by going there, but I'd be surprised if not_mafia was mafia - especially since elsa just said kitty roleblocked him
also
In post 2481, DkKoba wrote:I am not sure between samantha/elsa/flow trap
just like yesterday you gotta just believe in the heart of the cards
I want you to explain to me how town comes to the conclusion that, between vanilla and someone who mechanically has a baseline 50% chance of being mafia, it's vanilla
especially after seeing norwegian and elsa's vote history
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Post #2500 (isolation #16) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:00 pm
Postby samantha97 »
In post 2497, KittyTacky wrote:Vanilla is an easy claim and your slot's history is also not exactly spotless. You guys have about the same chance of being mafia, at least in my eyes.
have your eyes read the thread cause our probability is totally different
so much so that the idea that it's between the 2 of us is veering on gaslighting
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Post #2506 (isolation #17) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:28 pm
Postby samantha97 »
In post 2503, flow trap wrote:I really don't see Elsa & Norwee being partners though
Elsa did step it up after claiming
by stepping it up do you mean owning up to being simple after anya said complex? there was basically 0 thread presence besides a 1 vs 1 with dkkoba that I barely remember
In post 1759, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Wait, didn’t Elsa crumb an PR role earlier?
Anya played really aggressively this game, and not like a PR at all.
Maybe it’s some SvS shit. VOTE: Anya
votes elsa after elsa already got unvoted by all but not_mafia (refrained from voting while elsa was l-1 before that), then changes it to anya in less than 2 minutes
there is also no universe in which there are 3 mafia alive who are all steamrolling you where 2 of them were on that wagon; either none are on it or they'd be near the beginning of the wagon and stuck on it (thx for getting rid of unowen lol)
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Post #2530 (isolation #19) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:22 pm
Postby samantha97 »
In post 2525, DkKoba wrote:god now i know why unown died.. he was sheeping me too easily and being helpful..
I get feeling like this is your final stand but the longer the day goes on the easier it is to miss the forest for the trees
there's no logical reason to vote outside of elsa or anya today, as 1 of them is 100% confirmed mafia, and if you put it off it can get to a lylo situation (especially if both of us aren't there)
people can talk about interactions all day but mechanics and actions don't lie - norwegian wanted elsa alive for a reason (maybe one as simple as not wanting the heat from a hammer)
but elsa in turn didn't want norwegian dead yesterday, and if anya is mafia well we know that tomorrow from elsa turning up town
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Post #2555 (isolation #20) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:23 am
Postby samantha97 »
In post 2550, KittyTacky wrote:I'm much more inclined to do Sam first, on a second thought. I doubt Elsa would accuse Sam like that if she was scum as that means she is doomed tomorrow = 1 for 1 which is bad for scum.
their result accuses you not me I think?
I don't think vanilla would return that but if it would then they mafiaclaimed anyway
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Post #2557 (isolation #21) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:25 am
Postby samantha97 »
I know that was the implication of their post but does it actually imply that? like if I wasn't vanilla is that the result they would get, or would it just be no motion?
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Post #2573 (isolation #28) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:57 am
Postby samantha97 »
In post 2570, DkKoba wrote:im liking samantha over elsa here reading this conversation
I have a neat gif picked out in case you throw here
you've been playing a long time, do you really think there are 2 town motion detectors with a cop that just roams free? that'd mean there's an unclaimed/fakeclaim covered mafia role that can discover the cop(checker)
but we already know from the voyeur flip that mafia had a mild-powered targeting role, which meshes with the simple/complex motion detectors
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Post #2583 (isolation #29) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:06 pm
Postby samantha97 »
In post 2582, KittyTacky wrote:How? If Elsa is red she gets flipped tomorrow. It's not a good strat.
buying a day is always a good strategy? they were on the chopping block to begin with, and plausible deniability can buy someone more than one day if they're lucky
your argument is essentially "why would mafia lie?" lol
I'mma pose the same question to you kitty:
do you really think there are 2 town motion detectors with a cop that just roams free? that'd mean there's an unclaimed/fakeclaim covered mafia role that can discover the cop(checker)
but we already know from the voyeur flip that mafia had a mild-powered targeting role, which meshes with the simple/complex motion detectors
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Post #2586 (isolation #31) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:19 pm
Postby samantha97 »
rereading what I wrote made me realize that if simple/complex get no result on incompatible role targets by default, then voyeur wouldn't synergize with them... right?
that's really weird cause what is the point of all the targeting roles in this setup then
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Post #2591 (isolation #32) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:07 pm
Postby samantha97 »
In post 2588, DkKoba wrote:im home. I wanna reveal that there is an optimal elimination we are not talking about - that if we flip Kitty here - it solves a lot with the game.
tell if im crazy or no
I see that as having 2 branches to a claim and deciding to chop off 1 branch instead of going for the tree itself
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Post #2592 (isolation #33) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:16 pm
Postby samantha97 »
at the same time, those roles are prime roleblocking targets & I'm probably right about the mafia lists = 1 mafia in them thing (me/kitty/notmafia would mean kitty vs not_mafia, and I think kitty is more likely)
plus if you're a town x-shot anything why do you out that to mafia
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Post #2600 (isolation #37) » Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:56 am
Postby samantha97 »
at the moment it seems possible you're trying to keep elsa alive to protect anya
instead of being suspicious of elsa for being left alive at e-1 by someone you say you were pushing as mafia all game, then didn't vote for norwegian himself, who then also accused you of roleblocking him... you have your eyes set on a vanilla?
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Post #2672 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:05 am
Postby samantha97 »
In post 2670, KittyTacky wrote:No matter the flip, my top scumreads are {Sam, Elsa}, in fact both might be scum bussing. NM is neutral. Everyone else I can comfortably call town.
what does the game look like to you if I were to be modconfirmed town right now
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Post #2681 (isolation #52) » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:36 am
Postby samantha97 »
In post 2680, DkKoba wrote:I also have adhd and feel this - but youre so absent and have not done much post norwee flip. When that should be a stimulus in of itself
either I only just now noticed that your avatar is animated or this is the mandela effect