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In post 396, Rae wrote:alright i think monkey man is scummy trying to analyze a 5-man wagon with not even more than 400 posts.
VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
This is town, albeit wrong.In post 397, Rae wrote:jake/monkey could honestly be some great theater. im still a little pissed nobody sees that read.-
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Why don't you start with explaining why you think monkey is a good wagon? I'm currently not available so it might help if the side with free time can respond firstIn post 441, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Just got back from the laundromat.
Hey Naha! How are you? Could you read the entire game and get back to me with your thoughts?-
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What makes the interaction SvT to you?In post 444, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
At first I wanted to apply pressure to monkey because the read I had on him was based upon a shared belief that Sigmund was scum (not very convincing to me) and because they were being voted by other players so pressuring them was easy.In post 442, NotAHecticAlt wrote:
Why don't you start with explaining why you think monkey is a good wagon? I'm currently not available so it might help if the side with free time can respond firstIn post 441, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Just got back from the laundromat.
Hey Naha! How are you? Could you read the entire game and get back to me with your thoughts?
Over the course of our interaction, I liked less and less of what I saw, so I reconsidered by townlean on him, and now I think he is a scumlean.
Personally, I don't care whether Sigmund or Monkey goes today, because in my eyes one solves the other.-
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No need to read my tone, just read for intent.In post 451, T3 wrote:This is blatant pagetop theivery!
monkey might be town. Hectic idk,I don't have a good readon him by tone yet.-
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Ok so what does the end of this sentence mean? Because I think Monkey is town.In post 444, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
At first I wanted to apply pressure to monkey because the read I had on him was based upon a shared belief that Sigmund was scum (not very convincing to me) and because they were being voted by other players so pressuring them was easy.In post 442, NotAHecticAlt wrote:
Why don't you start with explaining why you think monkey is a good wagon? I'm currently not available so it might help if the side with free time can respond firstIn post 441, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Just got back from the laundromat.
Hey Naha! How are you? Could you read the entire game and get back to me with your thoughts?
Over the course of our interaction, I liked less and less of what I saw, so I reconsidered by townlean on him, and now I think he is a scumlean.
Personally, I don't care whether Sigmund or Monkey goes today, because in my eyes one solves the other.-
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In post 375, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Link to VC on page.
show your progressionIn post 373, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I'm sorry if you are town, but I'm now scumleaning you.-
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Just to sorta elaborate on why I think Jake is scum here - The way they are treating Sigmund, vs how they are treating monkey is very indicative of a scum who has to fake reasons to scumread people and be uncharitable in that regard.
When monkey was refuting Jake's push on them, pointing out that Jake was saying they scumread Sigmund, and that it made no sense for them to sheep onto Sigmund in the way he hid, shows a doublethink in Jake's progression. It makes no sense to try to say that monkey is scum for it as monkey is correct in their rebuke against the push on hem.
Jake is quite blatantly trying to set up back to back lims here based on how they are also treating Sigmund slot(or there's a chance that these are 2 scumbuddies, but I lean not for now.) Absolve responsibility of a monkey town flip by pointing it at the person starting the wagon looks to be Jake's goal at the moment. Scum don't think too far ahead and this is a pretty cut and dry plan that would make sense from a scum perspective.
this post here is very towny - it's rife with town frustration that no one is looking at the motivations of why people are voting here, as well as providing analysis on slots who are voting them.In post 325, humaneatingmonkey wrote:In my wagon:
→ Sigmund, whose current activities include desperately pushing for a quickhammer before page 10 on a slot he doesn't have a read yet, throwing meaningless votes, and going for an OMGUS wagon for bogus reasons.
→ Johnny, who agrees that my thought process is "fake af", but hasn't really demonstrated why. (You really think my thought process is fake, in contrast to Sigmund here?)
→ Anne, who thinks Sigmund is "moving the game forward and causing people to make positive statements." (How??)
→ Jake, who thinks I was town because I pushed Sigmund but still puts his vote on my wagon anyway despite that it's Sigmund that started it. This guy even actively tries to stop people from discussing Sigmund, the loudest player on this game, for no apparent reason. (Why are you even doing that?)
Yeah. I'm SURE this is a town-motivated wagon. I have no idea why people think Sigmund is town for how he's playing here.
If Jake is really scumleaning Sigmund, why are they not more suspicious of any wagons they start on another player?
It makes no sense to me from a town perspective. Him trying to turn it around on monkey for pointing it out is just way out of pocket.-
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In post 281, T3 wrote:Okay sigmund is town.In post 282, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
Could you elaborate on this?In post 281, T3 wrote:Okay sigmund is town.In post 283, T3 wrote:
It's the deliberate attention grabbing stuff scum usually want to avoid early game.In post 282, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
Could you elaborate on this?In post 281, T3 wrote:Okay sigmund is town.In post 284, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
Do you think this is a usual game?In post 283, T3 wrote:
It's the deliberate attention grabbing stuff scum usually want to avoid early game.In post 282, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
Could you elaborate on this?In post 281, T3 wrote:Okay sigmund is town.In post 286, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Sigmund seems to be acting consistently here. Without knowing what their main is (if they are an alt), I can't conclusively say for sure if this is for this one game, or if they have any completed games that I can drool over.
I checked to see if he had a wiki page, but he didn't.
I doubt Sigmund just gives up his main account here.
these interactions feel partneryIn post 287, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
Do you have any thoughts about the game, not regarding Sigmund?In post 285, Anya wrote:sigmund could be town but i have no clue what his goal is with his flopping around on the ground like a fish-
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In post 307, T3 wrote:I think jake is town but less sure on that one.In post 421, T3 wrote:I townread sigmund and idk about Jake.-
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My tentative gun to head solve is Rae/T3/Jake at the moment. Rae has also displayed a similar level of uncharitableness. I initially put them as town earlier, based on 2 posts but after reading their entire ISO, and reading the rest of the players and trying to sort them, Rae ended up above T3+Jake. I'd say there's a good chance I'm wrong on this read and I'm misreading someone higher in my reads but I like this as a starting point for a solve/PoE.
Johnny is also on my radar low on my list, and could slot into that team as well.
However I don't believe the whole scumteam piles onto a townie this early very often, so I'm a bit noncommittal to this solve.
Dwlee + Shiki + monkey are my town pile
Anya + Messy Anne are right below in townleans
Sigmund I would put at a leantown null here.
Opposites slot hasn't spoken - could be PoE'd however
Rae and Johnny are below null. Not quite scummy but there were some posts that said "yeah this could be town actually".
Jake + T3 are firmly in my scumread at this point. T3 moreso because of the associative with Jake here. I've explained already these 2.-
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In post 477, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Naha, do you think Sigmund is Scum or not?In post 473, NotAHecticAlt wrote:I'm also more 50/50 now about Sigmund being unpartnered in this case after reread - but I would venture to say that its a bad tinfoil from experience and that the game is never that easy.-
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It tracks because I have the ability to know that townies can be wrong.In post 481, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Wait a second Naha, You seemed surprised when you learned that Sigmund started a wagon on Monkey, which you townread them for it. But you later admitted that you thought Monkey was town. How does that track?-
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It is the way you approached the wagon and the progression being unreasonable.In post 484, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
Then why- for a reason other than I am always scum *eyeroll*- do you not give me the same charity?In post 483, NotAHecticAlt wrote:
It tracks because I have the ability to know that townies can be wrong.In post 481, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Wait a second Naha, You seemed surprised when you learned that Sigmund started a wagon on Monkey, which you townread them for it. But you later admitted that you thought Monkey was town. How does that track?
You joined the wagon later on when it started getting hotter, defying a read on a player that started that very same wagon.
This is why you are being suspected - NOT because you voted someone I townread, but because of the circumstances surrounding that vote and the reasoning being inconsistent and explained in a way that is uncharitable to the points monkey made.
There is a difference in approach here. And I won't be tolerating any manipulation of what I am pointing out with any "gotcha!" with situation that clearly have different levels of nuance to them.-
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ayy lmao it only took 3 days to alt slip.In post 494, DkKoba wrote:
You're going to have to find me a scum if you wish to make me change my mind on you because as far as I am concerned you intention slipped with your treatment of monkey thus far.In post 492, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
If you based your entire read of someone off of "Well they think like me, so they're +town", would you want to take the first reasonable chance to get more from them?In post 487, NotAHecticAlt wrote:
It is the way you approached the wagon and the progression being unreasonable.In post 484, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
Then why- for a reason other than I am always scum *eyeroll*- do you not give me the same charity?In post 483, NotAHecticAlt wrote:
It tracks because I have the ability to know that townies can be wrong.In post 481, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Wait a second Naha, You seemed surprised when you learned that Sigmund started a wagon on Monkey, which you townread them for it. But you later admitted that you thought Monkey was town. How does that track?
You joined the wagon later on when it started getting hotter, defying a read on a player that started that very same wagon.
This is why you are being suspected - NOT because you voted someone I townread, but because of the circumstances surrounding that vote and the reasoning being inconsistent and explained in a way that is uncharitable to the points monkey made.
There is a difference in approach here. And I won't be tolerating any manipulation of what I am pointing out with any "gotcha!" with situation that clearly have different levels of nuance to them.
I may have scumread Sigmund, but that is irrelevant because I came into this game from the get go with a "I am fallible, I make mistakes, I should try to re-evaluate my reads from time to time" mindset which meant in that time doing something to make it easier to re-evaluate Sigmund later (getting a better grip on what Monkey's alignment is.)
I will admit that my execution was shit, terrible, god-awful, and that I took mental shortcuts, and almost gave up the mindset I game into this game with when I dealt with Monkey, and for that I apologize for not being a better player.However, what I did was in earnest investigation of Monkey's alignment.
I'm not interested in Gotchas. They bore me, because they almost always shut down any reasonable conversation, which devolves into pre-written scripts about how the other side bad and whatnot. That discourse is boring, pointless, and very draining.-
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Any other thoughts?
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Why is it scummy?In post 541, Rae wrote:monkey is this overarching style of play just ur thing or what. i can't gather why you feel so jam so many words into ur fucking posts. i thought it was scummy before and i think it's scummy now.-
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I don't think Johnny has done/said anything that is close to the edges of his scumrange yet. We're still well within it and thats reason for concern for meIn post 524, Messy Anne wrote:
Accurate! Messy Anne wants to help and do good, but is bad at game and doesn't have a lot of time. Johnny and Sigmund felt good at the time so I sheeped.In post 504, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Rae is weird for voting me because I didn't think that was a good reason, but I'm not sure if it's a made-up reason. Messy Anne feels like they were trying to put their vote on something productive, but I have no idea what's on their head.
Can people go into their Johnny read? People seem to be scum reading him but he feels the most town to me other than Sigmund. Maybe tied with Anya
If anybody (Jake) thinks my sigmund read is off base I'll give it a second look later but I'm pretty sure of this one still-
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In post 511, Anya wrote:Jake feels like the kind of player who would post a lot less and with fewer words as wolf be more cagey
So what about my points against them? Do you have any comment on that? Because this is an assumption about play of a player you don't know vs more standard scumplay(inconsistent words to actions, uncharitableness towards certain slots, etc.) scum stuff.In post 514, Anya wrote:idk he feels injectionbaity and those kind of players usually are-
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Why did you vote T3 over Jake?In post 537, Sigmund wrote:holy fuck this game is just full of people I want to murder-rate but none of them will die-
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Oh this is like what i did townread I remember now.In post 564, humaneatingmonkey wrote:In post 153, shiki wrote:
this good postIn post 139, Rae wrote:mmm yes yes dwlee you can be town as well.In post 155, shiki wrote:
assuming it is the wanting results thing unless you see something else guess i should have asked that firstIn post 153, shiki wrote:
this good postIn post 139, Rae wrote:mmm yes yes dwlee you can be town as well.
this is a very transparent and logical sorting process that's very hard to fake as scumIn post 174, shiki wrote:
yes! it is the wanting results thing!In post 170, Rae wrote:i think dwlee really thought they could catch someone out with a fake lolhammer. it's town spirit. does that answer u shiki
dwlee takes an action (in this case e-2 already on wagon fakehammer) > dwlee wants said action to have netted results > dwlee is likely town (orknowsbut eh)
But I think their lack of votes/pushes is a bad anti-town gimmick that is designed to make them unreadable early game-
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Request: please don't spam dots to get page tops, it makes the game harder to read when looking back as well as looking at the ISO for votecounts.
We're all fine if the vote counts aren't a page top :/
And it influences the game by pushing to a new page extra early and potentially hiding stuff from people.-
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I disagree with this but it's a post game discussion to have and it's been impacting my reading thus far and has influenced me in this game alone.In post 629, Ydrasse wrote:You can go back and look/requote things if you want, for fear of them getting lost.
Waiting to hear back on a sub-in for Opposit3s.
Just stating it was bothering me here.-
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Really? No opinion on me?In post 635, Rae wrote:i have been reading and i dont think the monkey is town. i buy into the theater so im at we can kill both of them.
other collage of thoughts
- shiki is very town and anyone who doesn't see that is an idiot. i defend this read with my life. and it's just because art.
- johnny is brownie townie. his posts don't feel laced with any agenda or needing to worry about partner.
- anya was town earlier but then she dropped off. i dont have a deeper reason beyond it right now.
- sigmund sits null but possibly more north. his sword swining stopped once he got all the attention.
- i liked dwlee a bit earlier but he has an opposite effect of sigmund in a way. sigmund spends his time hackin and slashin while dwlee comes in with a calculated katana strike on one person. but then he's back to the shadows. anya im stealing your gig please rate 5-10 thanks.
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I don't think monkey overreacted.In post 642, Rae wrote:
that is my read on u bub. townies don't need to spend time makin curated bullshit. idk if it's your style but if it is damn son it's scummy. your explanations are all dialed up to 11 and for what? overreacting.In post 638, humaneatingmonkey wrote:you have never explained your read on me other than the length of my posts.-
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It is a string of posts that feel as though they are partners talking in thread, I'm not sure what there is to explain, I provided my analysis on it.
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In post 479, NotAHecticAlt wrote:My tentative gun to head solve is Rae/T3/Jake at the moment. Rae has also displayed a similar level of uncharitableness. I initially put them as town earlier, based on 2 posts but after reading their entire ISO, and reading the rest of the players and trying to sort them, Rae ended up above T3+Jake. I'd say there's a good chance I'm wrong on this read and I'm misreading someone higher in my reads but I like this as a starting point for a solve/PoE.
Johnny is also on my radar low on my list, and could slot into that team as well.
However I don't believe the whole scumteam piles onto a townie this early very often, so I'm a bit noncommittal to this solve.
Dwlee + Shiki + monkey are my town pile
Anya + Messy Anne are right below in townleans
Sigmund I would put at a leantown null here.
Opposites slot hasn't spoken - could be PoE'd however
Rae and Johnny are below null. Not quite scummy but there were some posts that said "yeah this could be town actually".
Jake + T3 are firmly in my scumread at this point. T3 moreso because of the associative with Jake here. I've explained already these 2.-
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