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[Jolyne]

YALL
THIS GAME IS A MEME LOL

[Jolyne]

no seriously, I read my role PM and this shit is funny as hell.

[Jolyne]

no but seriously - scum are definitely shitting their pants rn

[Jolyne]

nah I wanna just lay back for rn

[Jolyne]

Yall.... fr scum are def hella unsure whats going on

[Jolyne]

MargotRosa and ssbm are the scumiest from entries.

I doubt Jackson will come to play.

What is scummy about Kyouko?

[Jolyne]

I hardclaim IC

[Jolyne]

MargotRosa and ssbm are the scumiest from entries.

I doubt Jackson will come to play.

What is scummy about Kyouko?

I think MargotRosa entry is awkward, repeating my joke could be a scum not having an idea how to enter the thread. And Kyouko could notice that as well and stack a vote, distancing herself early.

Lol?

[Jolyne]

VOTE: alicek

[Jolyne]

countdown to when i reveal my informed info : (expired on 2021-08-18 21:49:19)
i may change my mind based on if enough people have posted.

[Jolyne]

I specced a game with a D1 IC and the mechanics were fucked as hell on the scum side and I am expecting the same shit this game too

[Jolyne]

My info is:

There are only 2 mafia.

There is no daytalk1

[Jolyne]

My info is:

There are only 2 mafia.

There is no daytalk1

That second bit is right there in the game rules, so...

I know for a fact no one has it.

[Jolyne]

Hi Andres

[Jolyne]

good talk

[Jolyne]

So you’re an Informed IC? I have to say, I’m a bit terrified of the potential for Scum shenanigans. If this game actually was mountainous with 2 Scum, it would be horribly unbalanced. At least to me it would. That’s what, 4 mis-executions before you get to ELo? There’s no way.

not only are we guaranteed only 2 people aligned with mafia, there is 100% no encryptors meaning that scum can't even communicate.

[Jolyne]

there are literally confirmed only 2 scum total btw - could be a traitor but then that would mean solo groupscum.

[Jolyne]

there are literally confirmed only 2 scum total btw - could be a traitor but then that would mean solo groupscum.

I kinda doubt this would pass a normal review but I've never actually been involved with one so grain of salt.

I'm just wrapping up the confusion about the number of scum possible. I was literally told 2 total no matter what.

[Jolyne]

I already said, unlikely to be a traitor.

[Jolyne]

I'm shielding Kyouko and Dwlee for today

[Jolyne]

gameing

[Jolyne]

Kazyan progression is quite random which I think comes from Town. Geraintm also gives good vibes. I will keep my vote where it is.

Ellaborate.

[Jolyne]

im tabling dwlee andres and kyouko today

[Jolyne]

Can we get more votes on Alice

[Jolyne]

So anyways - people should never be cleared for assuming 3 scum at the start of game before I outted it - Last time we had a funny setup like this with info like this, the scum were also informed of a town player having the info. I assume the same is present here. However - those that mistakenly thought my info was referring to traitors being possible are pretty much townslipped. That's why this setup is so troll because stuff like this gives town free clears out of the social aspect of assumptions being inherently different from scum to town.

[Jolyne]

My info is:

There are only 2 mafia.

There is no daytalk1

Are you certain your information is written in a way that is not up to interpretation? For example, is it possible there is a traitor, or is it possible there are 2 mafia goons and an unspecified number of non-vanilla mafia members?

i.e. why kyouko is pretty much conftown based on reaction to info.

[Jolyne]

Andres reaction too implies that they were uninformed of this - which is why I am tabling them and Dwlee is town for other reasons.

[Jolyne]

Basically this setup is piss easy to exploit against noob scum.

[Jolyne]

I'm not accepting criticism.

Me, alt slipping for the 1000th time

[Jolyne]

although this isn't one of my stealth alts, but rather a theme alt so we vibing anyways

[Jolyne]

I was someone trying to not alt slip but also now I can say that what alignment I say kyouko is is what people are sheeping for the rest of the game no questions asked, I have a recent 100% read rate on kyouko as both alignments and they won't break out of it unless they evolve away from playing with me

[Jolyne]

somewhat*

[Jolyne]

Andres is scum.

I will push a policy on you if you try to push him.

[Jolyne]

I don't care how sure you think you are, I know the nuances of Andres' towngame and there's much more reason to townlock him than not.

[Jolyne]

How do you feel about AliceK, DGB?

[Jolyne]

Ok its dgb and alice

easy game
VOTE: dgb

[Jolyne]

Breaking news: late 2020 mafia babby literally cannot interpret the vibes of oldbies; more at 11

? if you're talking about me, I've been playing since 2015 seriously and played the occasional game every year irl since 2008-2015.

[Jolyne]

fam i want alicek but im willing to plow down anyone who tries to call my towncore scum.

[Jolyne]

I'm clear i dont need to do anyone's homework

[Jolyne]

WIM 4 WIM

[Jolyne]

btw bc we have 4 ML i can easily solve this game within d1.

also vig dont fucking shoot if you exist. If theres a compulsive role you claim that shit now

[Jolyne]

fam i want alicek but im willing to plow down anyone who tries to call my towncore scum.

Give me that towncore so that I can push it until I eat the NK.

You should have more respect for my townreads since I'm very good at townhunting.

[Jolyne]

I like communist propaganda. Better than the US kind.

[Jolyne]

being clear makes manipualting the gamestate so much easier ahh

[Jolyne]

fam i want alicek but im willing to plow down anyone who tries to call my towncore scum.

Give me that towncore so that I can push it until I eat the NK.

You should have more respect for my townreads since I'm very good at townhunting.

You could be scum.

discredding the clear is not the play you think it is and i have no qualms about burying you if you refuse cooperation with a clear townie.

[Jolyne]

btw bc we have 4 ML i can easily solve this game within d1.

also vig dont fucking shoot if you exist. If theres a compulsive role you claim that shit now

i agree 2 maf in 13p is probably easy and i guess a day 3 end with town victory. @ me in post game.

i see how it is a 2 player as well -- there is way less interactions than expected and the vibe of this normal feels differnt then how i played in another normal.

maf is just 2 strong prs. 2 goons / 1 shot / weak prs wouldnt make sense. for this game, i believe we get the most info on day 2 especially with ic outted on day 1.

pr should out any info by day 2 if they have any info that will help us progress the game. and i believe there will be another game mechanic changing thing that will occur on day 2 after night. some rebel type shit

nothing will change the gamestate of 2 scum 4 ML because normal guidelines exist.

[Jolyne]

so here i will do something new because of my d1 scumreads being either hella spot on or a miss -> i will separate the town into 2 lists, 1 are townreads, the other will be people i dont feel comfortable putting in the former.
I ask the people i bin as town are left alone 100% because i have a very good track record of identifying town by the end of d1. Had very few misses in that department, and those came from people who had evolution in play.

[Jolyne]

This is perfectly normal dgb don't vote it.

this is null dgb and when it is pushing my hardest townreads i will vote it.

[Jolyne]

Currently my townreads are :
Dwlee, Kyouko, Andres


I have a couple names that are close to earning a spot on this list.

[Jolyne]

actually i forgot nathann exists but add Nathan to the townread list

[Jolyne]

so here i will do something new because of my d1 scumreads being either hella spot on or a miss -> i will separate the town into 2 lists, 1 are townreads, the other will be people i dont feel comfortable putting in the former.
I ask the people i bin as town are left alone 100% because i have a very good track record of identifying town by the end of d1. Had very few misses in that department, and those came from people who had evolution in play.

wow u seem very confident in this -- lets see if u have a good track on me considering im town. its up to you now to decipher if im town. it will be hilarious if u scumread me

The more you talk like this the more i just want to never let you into a townblock for the sake of the gamestate.

[Jolyne]

depends on the level of faith provided and how willing both sides are to negotiate.

[Jolyne]

I'm gonna mostly target low wim slots this game because scum are def demotivated bc of the stacked odds atp.
Even if they had the full setup and everyone's roles - it would not help them balance it out.

Treat this shit like mountainous 1 IC and we win

[Jolyne]

so here i will do something new because of my d1 scumreads being either hella spot on or a miss -> i will separate the town into 2 lists, 1 are townreads, the other will be people i dont feel comfortable putting in the former.
I ask the people i bin as town are left alone 100% because i have a very good track record of identifying town by the end of d1. Had very few misses in that department, and those came from people who had evolution in play.

wow u seem very confident in this -- lets see if u have a good track on me considering im town. its up to you now to decipher if im town. it will be hilarious if u scumread me

What to make of this

ok i think ur town for having this reaction.

shallow as a kiddie pool in terms of reasoning.

[Jolyne]

discredding the clear is not the play you think it is and i have no qualms about burying you if you refuse cooperation with a clear townie.

Knock yourself out.

That was my -second- olive branch. Keep denying them and you're going to be in trouble.

[Jolyne]

I dont care how much you think being a contrarian looks townie - I'm removing all reason for you to do so by making it "good faith or die"

[Jolyne]

How many scum do you think are in the setup, DGB?

[Jolyne]

For real though this is nai for dgb we know this.

Being null is how i found 2/3 scum in my last completed game.

[Jolyne]

How many scum do you think are in the setup, DGB?

Andres + GrandpaMo = 2

So you genuinely think andres fake slipped the traitor stuff after I claimed my info?

[Jolyne]

I've gotten good enough at this townhunting stuff i can just yeet the null people and it wins the game so imma just ignore any claims of "nai". What i care about is ~town indicative~

[Jolyne]

What is "WIM"? I've googled it, checked the wiki, read posts using it for context clues, and I still can't figure it out.

I'll sheep Ythan and Jolyne here, since I trust their experience with DGB more than mine. UNVOTE: DGB

You'll sheep me but you unvote?
And WIM = wants it more, another word for efforting

[Jolyne]

My info is:

There are only 2 mafia.

There is no daytalk1

OH, this?

LOL

You can't expect me to pay attention to your claims #1-27.

I mentioned it multiple times and you teferenced scumreads on people for posts around those references. You are lying.

[Jolyne]

I don't think that is a gambit cause mod meta but also that's a town slip if it isn't a gambit I guess?

not a townslip. I made sure to seed the 2 scum fact several times so it is less plausible that someone actually didn't know the info.

[Jolyne]

dgb is either:
a) making up its reads on people and not reading the game
b) reading the game and intentionally lying about derpclearing itself

[Jolyne]

If you read andres posts - you would see them reacting to the informed info I gave. This isnt even the only person mentioning it.

[Jolyne]

DGB - last chance. Come clean and be honest.

[Jolyne]

What is "WIM"? I've googled it, checked the wiki, read posts using it for context clues, and I still can't figure it out.

I'll sheep Ythan and Jolyne here, since I trust their experience with DGB more than mine. UNVOTE: DGB

You'll sheep me but you unvote?
And WIM = wants it more, another word for efforting

LOL I was just gonna say that. "Doesn't Jolyne scumread dgb?"

smh

Try actually reading the game you're in sometime, it will help. This act neither cute nor funny tho.

[Jolyne]

[grandpamo - dgb - alicek] are my top picks for today.
Will be easily replaced by anyone who slanks the day - so don't think I'm so easily tunneled to ignore someone trying to go under the radar. I *will* notice.

[Jolyne]

feels good to be able to show hard aggression and not be able to be scumread for it ^.^

[Jolyne]

Ythan, i ask you not to contribute if its going to be purely instigating content. I don't get pocketed like by nice words.

[Jolyne]

I have a worldview regarding possible scumteams with your name on it and I'd rather eliminate that if it can be helped

[Jolyne]

ok - do you care about winning this game?

[Jolyne]

If you're town - remember you are playing to win this game - not a future scum game.

[Jolyne]

After seeing you have low effort shallow games as scum back to back the bar for your alignment indicative play is raised for me because i know that the only way you scumtold in those 2 previous games were because you were pressured.
Unless you wish to inform me what the difference is in your view and why its not present here.

[Jolyne]

After seeing you have low effort shallow games as scum back to back the bar for your alignment indicative play is raised for me because i know that the only way you scumtold in those 2 previous games were because you were pressured.
Unless you wish to inform me what the difference is in your view and why its not present here.

You're not the boss of me. I don't care if you read me right or wrong. I don't care if I'm the lim for today.

Not if I have to lose my dignity and my agency.

If you're town - remember you are playing to win this game - not a future scum game.

[Jolyne]

I don't think it's reasonable to apply playing to win in cases of thinking someone isn't trying hard enough. 408 seems like a legitimate point.

Why is DGB town?

[Jolyne]

No - you think DGB is town. Your wording and actions around it are very much the way one treats a townread.

You ventured as far as to ask me to relieve pressure - citing "standard DGB" - you didn't say "town DGB", ofc, but I guess that was implied, eh?

[Jolyne]

fam i want alicek but im willing to plow down anyone who tries to call my towncore scum.

I stopped being in the mood for discussion when reading posts like the one above.

I townread Alice.

I will scumread whoever I want to scumread.

Now it is a fact that
I did forget about the game, missed the IC message from the mod, thought Koba was BS'ing claims as usual, read quickly to catch up to see if anything jumped at me. If something drew my attention I posted to memorialize my reads.

That's my response to 391 etc.

In your own words: Derpclear denied.

[Jolyne]

Especially since as someone who does say that - is something likely you *will* fake as scum and thus why you won't townread it as town

[Jolyne]

Look DGB - either you're not reading carefully at all and we should just discard your reads made at that point at that point because you didn't actually process what was said - or you're lying about not knowing anything I said.

You conceded you did see it - and assumed I was gambiting - instead of checking the OP post where IC posts are usually posted - something I am confident enough for you to know.


We have this weird dichotomy where you seem to be not reading well enough to catch the claims I made but also know enough to have reads on people who commented on those things you claim you missed + you also ceded you caught me saying I'm IC. ALSO MY DAMN NAME IS GREEN IN THE VOTECOUNT and you were the 5th post after that so what is the reason you missed that?

pee pee poo poo

[Jolyne]

kyouko is locktown

[Jolyne]

VOTE: grandpamo

[Jolyne]

Tbh half of why i went as hard as i did on dgb last night was for reactions from people around lol

[Jolyne]

AliceK looks better after the response.

[Jolyne]

@Nathann

My Andres scum read is a holistic one. There is more nongame padding and conciliatory speak than I am used to seeing from Andres. Unlike some of my other reads which are based on specific towntells, this one is based on the whole body of work.

A scum grandpa implies town dgb too

[Jolyne]

Oops

[Jolyne]

I am thoroughly convinced. Andres is mafia.

[Jolyne]

kinda an epic post 500 if you ask me

[Jolyne]

this game is going to be very easy or we will all fall on our faces

[Jolyne]

Is that a real read?

no I was taking the piss

[Jolyne]

I nominate Andres, Kyouko, and Dwlee as town leaders


you're overruled by the clear

[Jolyne]

Andres, I believe 512 is aimed at me, considering the very creative jab at my avatar.

First, I'm not the Town leader, but I'm sure not going to sit by and wait for the IC to magically solve the game for us.

Second, I cannot tell between Scum lurksacks and Town lurksacks, that's the problem. You cannot be read if you're not doing anything. However, if you think that me not voting you at this time makes me Scum, go ahead and push me, see how well that ends for you.

Third, sure, I cannot force you to be active. Don't be surprised if you get yeeted as a consequence of being an unreadable mess, though.

This is where I will most likely stop engaging, both for my own peace and the thread's.

its kinda impossible for me to "solve the game" for town if town doesn't act on their own accord/present their own opinions so.

the most I deign to do is exclude people from the pool of lims and that's it

[Jolyne]

I have 4 recent games with dwlee and was a moderator spectating dwlee as scum

I think I have the merit to have confidence in how I read dwlee early on.

[Jolyne]

especially when I walked into this game anonymous and dwlee couldnt know to play around me

[Jolyne]

Where you ask what’s up and just avoid actually speaking about the game or provide any positive contribution at all.

It's not like you want to ask something from me, or so on.

This is some low low low hanging fruit

pruning people who aren't towntelling in any capacity is the best way to build a path to win the game often

[Jolyne]

@Nathann I read Ythan’s ISO (it’s short). I don’t know Ythan’s meta, but I’ll say this - I don’t see them as Scum here. It’s early, the takes are dry, but they seem unconcerned about how others perceive them and seem genuine to me. Not rock solid, can be faked, and I don’t trust all my early reads. But at a gut level, seems like Town.

Thats just his personality in general. He posts the same way in speakeasy lol

[Jolyne]

Thats just his personality in general. He posts the same way in speakeasy lol

Is that a game they were Scum in?

nah its an opt in secret section of the site for more personal threads and such that's 18+ and doesnt show up in searches with no alts allowed.

fUCK

[Jolyne]

hi i took a nap

whats consensus looking like rn?

[Jolyne]

I was thinking to myself "huh doesnt look like there's much scummin going on with the vote count"

but then i realized its only 2 scum and breathed a sigh of relief.

[Jolyne]

UNVOTE:

im gonna lay off voting and then vote in what i think is good later.

[Jolyne]

Everyone, shush about the IC bs. It's a normal game, ICs have set rules and it has absolutely exactly nothing to do with anything. It's a mod confirm not some fake news. I didn't expect to have to explain why fox news is a bad news source to people on this website ffs.

Alice, dwlee, geraintm are the three scum. We can pack it up.

ger is engaging in an inane conversation with no relevance but originally framed it as having relevance. Alice is trying to make friends and shoot for cred off it which is text book scum stuff. Dwlee is just being dumb, probably not actually scum, but best guess so far.

Damn knowing that there is 2 maf alive -- this makes Nixie more town here due to townslipping.

hello im back

this is a bad theory because I believe scum are informed that i am informed of only 2 scum. its fake slip garbage.


the traitor talk after I said only 2 scum is what is an actual slip because it misinterprets what I said as "2 groupscum" when scum wouldn't make a slip that complex.

[Jolyne]

*and* scum know theres only 2 scum regardless if there's no informed.

[Jolyne]

basically im striking it from the record as a reason.

[Jolyne]

(If you're red-green colorblind, I'll provide a different version)

Green is a townread, pink and red are weak/strong sumreads, white is null, and Jolyne gets a special conftown green. All of the blank gray spaces are where I couldn't find an opinion. Alice and Nixie get question marks because Nixie is being replaced and Alice is not very present. GMo has his gamesolve filled in. Also, a lot of these reads are super out-of-date and should be updated in the context of GMo's gamesolve post.

????? i said nathan was town

[Jolyne]

hello my children who hath you presented to me as options

[Jolyne]

You’re being obtuse and annoying. Even if I could figure out exactly what alignment you are I don’t think I would care.

based

[Jolyne]

VOTE: Margot Rosa
Let's get an early wagon started

Why Margo rather than ssbm?

because i read kyouko as town and i have a consistent record on them.

[Jolyne]

i have already declared nathan andres and kyouko off the table for d1

[Jolyne]

i have already declared nathan andres and kyouko off the table for d1

I don't recommend you play IC like this. Wait for a wagon to form, then veto imo.

I'm being time efficient and townclearing people i can read easily.
Your slot on the other hand I did not townread - and i don't know too well how to read you. So I'm not going to likely stop an elim in your direction

[Jolyne]

No

[Jolyne]

no you dont

[Jolyne]

the reason GrandpaMo is lying btw is bc he mentioned talking to dgb during the day and thats impossible bc im informed of no encryptors

[Jolyne]

andres is blatantly town that's annoyed with ur fps play

[Jolyne]

VOTE: Kayzan since town is getting caught up with ego pushes to punish what they view as "bad play" lets get the biggest LAMIST slot here that is v shallow.

[Jolyne]

grandpa has gone off the deep end and that's always >rand town

[Jolyne]

andres is blatantly town that's annoyed with ur fps play

Is fps first-person-shooter and his is saying he is self-centered, or does it mean something else?

fancy pants syndrome

[Jolyne]

Hmmm. Cold feet. Anything else on the table?

UNVOTE: Kazyan

Kyouko, what do you mean by that?

Why cold feet?

[Jolyne]

alice is a good wagon too

[Jolyne]

Enchant over Alice imo

no

[Jolyne]

Can we prod Alice please? Or is there no prod requests

Actually just saw the VC and was thinking along the same lines. Alice promised us a catchup on Monday, she's in Europe, and the catchup isn't here and its monday night there. Could be scum thinking that with wagons on GpaMo and Enchant that she can ride it out until deadline without updating us on anything and slide into D2

Don't always assume here.

It's faulty logic especially if you are using "not talking" as in means of scum reading someone. I like your speculation but don't go anywhere with it since it is mostly NAI.

Enchant over Alice imo

no

Why

what puts Enchant outside of scum/townrange

[Jolyne]

just wagon alicek thx

[Jolyne]

btw i untabled dwlee for a reason - there's a lack of fire in their oosts they have as town normally and I'm not conformable townbinning him anymore

[Jolyne]

im not voting dgb so it can venge shoot my townread lmao

[Jolyne]

blatant venge play, ignore and move on. Let scum nightkill it

[Jolyne]

kayzan vs alice are good wagons imo but dont take my word as law.

[Jolyne]

also gerain is town here - hardtownlock

[Jolyne]

andres will shield them anyways bc I know he can read gerain too

[Jolyne]

blatant venge play, ignore and move on. Let scum nightkill it

Between DGB and Alice I'm fine voting DGB out as I am getting the feeling it is playing exactly the same way around deadline as it just did in a game where I caught scum!DGB. It's possible it is doing that to make me think tstbs and if it wants to go

Excellent logical process,

meta is gold

, give me that vote.

[Jolyne]

andres will shield them anyways bc I know he can read gerain too

I don't need shielding.
Waiting on mod to flip a greenie now and then we can all regroup tomorrow with more info

Im hands off the rest of this game. Do what you will.
Trust my townreads.
Ythan likely town too
Dont lim dgb, theyre venge baiting, unless its 3 way

[Jolyne]

im saying they are a vengeful townie who wants to kill someone like andres and im not letting that happen lmao

[Jolyne]

Maybe a dumb question, but what's so bad about yeeting a Vengeful?

Also uh, I think this is kind of a bad time to go hands off...

Well if you think DGB is Town, that alone is probably not good. And clearly, DGB is going to do whatever they want. Depending on who you think they’re most likely to shoot, that could present further complications. Or it could be a successful hero shot and basically condemn the Scum. Just purely probability wise, I’m not so sure Vengeful is Town positive, and I have the same perception (which I’ve consistently expressed) about Vigilantes.

town killing roles in the wrong hand just accelerate the mislims in a way that gives less info than if the game proceeded naturally without them

[Jolyne]

Imagine placing IC in game without protectives, so this person will be nightkilled instantly.

either scum will be informed if there are protectives or they can just safely shoot me. I do not expect a 2 scum team to be gutted so badly - that would be cruel

[Jolyne]

Maybe a dumb question, but what's so bad about yeeting a Vengeful?

Also uh, I think this is kind of a bad time to go hands off...

good time because then yall get info from the flip rather than yeah

[Jolyne]

alice needs to claim in their next post if they do show up -however a demotivated player fits the bill for scum if they do not like playing scun, because it is very difficult with a 2 scum team. (although its harder to find associatives with that many too)

[Jolyne]

no time for a cw so b4 i forget VOTE: alicek
Have fun town!

[Jolyne]

if this flips a town pr than LOL
also kinda hoping it flips town for da info