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i think i'm in agreement with andres that dorsey kinda doesn't feel like scum here
like, i dunno, scum usually at least *tries* to have some sorta progression or appearing of being solvey or whatever
while dorsey lowkey gives zero shits right now

that said at some point i will take the n_m approach to that slot which is solve it before yelo if they don't start actually playing, so

Few datisi's posts later
[quote="In post 1331, Datisi"
VOTE: dorsey[/quote]

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If it counts, i VOTE: gera again

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So difficult to understand that gera is a scum.

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VOTE: Dorsey

Ok

UNVOTE: Wiki

VOTE: Dorsey

I don't really get the hostility. I thought this was supposed to be fun.

VOTE: Andresvmb

VOTE: dorsey

good goooooood

if dorsey is town, i will destroy these slots

[Wiki]

Datisi maybe will be checked.
I dont know how to read Three for now, i skip him a bit.

[Wiki]

A50, update your opinion about dosey and gera.

[Wiki]

if dorsey is town, i will destroy these slots

the funny part is that i think you genuinely believe you have that power

you will see it with your own eyes

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i want someone explaining to me the towniness in dorsey, because i don't see it

because you dont read the arguments
there was at least my argument why he is more town

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I feel Almost50 is scum, Datisi is scum, and Iconeum is a Datisi stan account. Geraintm is town

Ok, lets play this.
Dorsey is more town and he protects Gera.
In this case A50 is too wrong in this game (he scumreads gera and dosey).

VOTE: Almost50

I would vote Datisi, but A50 has more chances to have many votes

Lets put a50 on e-1

[Wiki]

Wake up, monkey

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Gamma Emerald

Almost50

Dorsey

Salsabil Faria

geraintm

If traitor game then Gera > salsa > a50 has a decent chance of winning imo

Okay gamma is locktown now

Can we vote gera

Salsa I'm very confident you're gonna flip red but I know you have to pretend you won't and that is sad

I really just want salsa flipped and next day phase

Hm I am seeing your train of thought here

I will vote within Gera/Salsa/Dorsey/Gamma today

Gera plays weird always

Votes:

VOTE: Geraintm

VOTE: Salsa
Cool

VOTE: Dorsey

1. Why dont you want to elim A50? Why did he become town for you if he was suspicious for you as much as gamma and dorsey... You say you are ready to elim gamma and dorsey, but not a50. There is no explanation whats happened for you about a50.
2 Gera was a scum for you as much as Salsa, you say now that you are ready to elim gera, but i see no pressure from you on this slot. You even protect this slot now.
3. Gamma was locktown for you, u forgot about that and started scumreading him. This is suspicious as fuck.

You want so much to elim anybody except A50 and Gera/Gamma, though you are talking that you are ready to do it with Gera/Gamma too. This how it seems.

[Wiki]

If gera and dorsey are town, dwlee and a50 can be mafia together, they are trying to push easy targets

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three's read on me is utter bullshit because he's been called out by multiple people as misrepping, which means that maybe, *maybe* your posts are fucking confusing and it's not the rest of us that are wrong

rn i'm leaning on it being town bullshit

but it's bullshit nonetheless

You just said I was town ten hours prior to this, and now you're convinced that I'm scum? This is such a wild progression lmao.

This is true.
And before that Datisi did the same with Dorsey. He thought Dorsey is a town, then he votes him.

[Wiki]

VOTE: Datisi

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VOTE: a50
go

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A50, update your opinion about dosey and gera.

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dwlee, andres, ico, unfortunately you, and

townlean

s on sel and

gera

wouldn't it be really fucking hilarious if i now said that i think

dorsey is town

?

First we lim geraintm.. then we lim Dorsey

VOTE: A50

ok master Wiki

guide me to victory senpai

ico, what are you doing

datisi, why to elim a50 is so bad idea for you?
u consider gera and dorsey are towns
a50 thinks they are scums, and he gives nothing more in the game to us
so why do you think that this is suspicious to scumread a50 now?

[Wiki]

First we lim geraintm.. then we lim Dorsey

a50, is it still valid?

Yes, but I haven't been following the game of late (general boredom + IRL minor issues)

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and now im asking him again, he has no answer, just voting himself, to save himself because it works
enough of this

[Wiki]

he also votes u, but u are protecting him with no thinking about the possibility that he is just a lazy scum

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u stopped reading anything... except voting a50?

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Btw, resetting ALL my reads and starting all over, I have both Datisi & Salsa as solid TRs

you are townreading datisi who townreads ico who has a scummy sheeping for you
now this is bad

[Wiki]

Self-voting works??

it worked last time for you in this game, now you are repeating this only with this aim

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so im not a townie for you now. interesting

[Wiki]

I agree about Wiki, but how confident are you about Andres?

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Go flashvagon on a50

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Dorsey, gera, vote a50. He wanted to elim you both

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Go flashvagon on a50

are you not in the least bit worried about my sheep vote here?

No. Maybe you are bussing with a50, i dont care
And trying to give me paranoia not to vote a50 with you

[Wiki]

You slayers gambit is fake.

[Wiki]

Your slayers gambit is fake

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dorsey's prob scum
we could be voting there

but everyone is bamboozled by your self voting so yeah

I tried that earlier, and didn't get anywhere, so I decided I wanted to know who Dorsey's Scum partners might be. I am not even sure Dorsey is scum here (leaning there but not confident),

but I', telling you Wiki & T3 are SCUM. (The Wiki push on me came out of nowhere

. Like, despite my absence I still have more posts than Dorsey or ger, but Wiki decided to go for me instead. Figure it out yourself)

Nice.
This is a lie, that my push on you is from nowhere.
I said my reason why you are a scum, if gera and dorsey are towns.
The onky thing u did in the game: you wanted them to be elimed both.

[Wiki]

who's the scums?

Dorsey, ger, Wiki & T3

A50 is a scum

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And he is nervous now

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A50 is a scum

Keep repeating it... perhaps if you typed it in different colours? Or posted it a thousand times, maybe?

Still.. it'll only go so far because once we both flip I'll have the last laugh still.

Flip first

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We need more pressure on a50.

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And he is nervous now

i'm not seeing the slightest hint of nervousity with A50 actually

He said i attacked him from nowhere, he cried loudly for t3 help, he even *found* all mafia team not reading anything

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There was so much talking about a50 was hunting for scums voting himself...
It is so convinient for him.
And now he is playing a role, like he is really scumhunting succesfully after all these talkings. Stupid scums decided to go to his trap and it worked successfully. Does anybody belive that a50 can really think now about his plan, its results and trapped scums? He is playing a role, faking, this is not a real thinking

[Wiki]

we cracked him open real good, made him squeeeeeze under our boots yeah?

Nope. 3 votes including his vote dont count

[Wiki]

Why should i tr you? I see no reasons at all

[Wiki]

i fee like Three v Datisi is more misunderstanding and frustration then anything else

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VOTE: three

sure
works as well

[Wiki]

Go elim a50.

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T3, who is Andre for you?

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Maybe t3 is a scum.

[Wiki]

We all need the end of d1.

[Wiki]

Go elim a50 or gera and go to the night.
If smb of them is green, this is not a big problem.
We need info

[Wiki]

Go elim a50 or gera and go to the night.
If smb of them is green, this is not a big problem.
We need info

If A50 is town here, they are useful. Yeah, based on one game but they were smart there.

useless

[Wiki]

Ok, andre is good, maybe datisi is also good

T3 is not so good. A50, dwlee, gera...

I have some difficulties to read looker and three now, i need to do it later. I liked some moments of them, but this is not enough...

Rn i dont read much.

[Wiki]

VOTE: T3

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i'm not really sure how to defend

Find a scum instead of you and prove it

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T3/a50/gera
I wote here
Not sure about three, but some moments were not bad

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Dorsey, gera, vote a50. He wanted to elim you both

you wanted to eliminate me - should i vote you?

Nope, im pr. Nobody should vote me.

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this has got to be my favorite post of the game so far

Dont forget that this is his talking not with his townread, but with his scumread. So it looks not so good, he doesnt try to solve it and understand it

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Yeah, im James. This is true

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Yeah, im James. This is true

Careful. James is indefinitely banned.

In this case im not James, i lied

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So t3 is scum, isnt he?
Who is not agree with that?

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Dwlee doesnt agree with t3 elimination...

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Salsa doesnt want to elim t3...

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Btw, I think

T3

is town for the quick wagon formation on them but I'm not confident also.

Yeah, Salsa can be mafia with t3 because of this post.
At that moment there are only 3 votes on t3: andre (salsa trs him), sely (salsa trs her later) and dorsey,about whom it was said that he is town (by andre and salsa).
However:

Deadline is getting close.

I can vote anyone from these people: Looker, Dorsey, Three, Wiki.

I won't vote these people: SF, Sely, Andres, Dwlee, Datisi

I'll vote these people if I have to: A50, T3, gera, Ico

Thinking that Sely and Andre are towns, she cannot accept their position about t3 and Dorsey. With NO EXPLANATION (at least previous explanation about t3 doesnt work now).

[Wiki]

by andre and salsa

By andre and sely

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I can smell bussing somewhere in Gera-Salsa-Dwlee. Not sure that all of them are scums with t3.

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Looker, why not t3?

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Anyone who claims an Investigative while NOT being put @E-1 should be eliminated. PERIOD.

Read books, not comics

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Well ok, scums: t3, salsa, gera, a50.
Dwlee and Andre are townies for everybody for no reason, this is not my mistake.
Datisi and Ico are townies if anybody thinks one of them is townie. This is not my mistake.
Dorsey is more town for the reaction to his elim and for some brave moments.
Sely, looker and three are more towns for their positions. Maybe 1 of them is scum instead of any of 4 scums above, because a stupid townie can exist.

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Deadline is getting close.

I can vote anyone from these people: Looker, Dorsey, Three, Wiki.

I won't vote these people: SF, Sely, Andres, Dwlee, Datisi

I'll vote these people if I have to: A50, T3, gera, Ico

She was ready to vote GE, gera, t3... now there is only GE(Looker) in her scums. I dont know: can scum!salsa play vs 4 townies with her partners? Is she so brave enough? I dont think so. Somewhere should be at least 1 her partner in her 4 scums, if she really a scum. Looker? Three? Dorsey? Difficult to believe that her whole team is in the "if i have to".
So 1 of them? 2 of them? Or maybe she is town instead Three/Looker for example?
In sum, i dont believe that t3,gera,salsa,a50 is the right scum team. Somewhere we have a mistake. Maybe in salsa.
I read salsa-gera interactions much, and i cannot decided are they definitely together or definitely not...

[Wiki]

Datisi trs Ico hardly.
Ico trs Datisi hardly.
This will be the fault of one of them, if they are t/s or s/t. If you think 1 of them is town (dorsey, for example), just let it go.
Let this person ruin the game in this case.
But this is only of you are sure that at least 1 of them is town.

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^only if

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I also close a topic for myself about Dwlee. Andre, Datisi, Ico and others have no play against this slot and call it town. So this is your mistake, not mine.

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T3 protected gera with asking about his scum motivation, but he said nothong like this about dorsey. This question is more easy to use to Dorsey, than to Gera.

If there are no mistakes in my townies, gamma has found almost all townies (perfect read?), while Three played hard against many townies.

Salsa - almost the same as Three.

A50 doesnt play at all, and he has convinient mixed position about his scumreads.

Sely... I always forget about Sely, but every time i open her iso,her position is good i guess... t3 is suspicious to her... and some people tr her a lot

If datisi is town, i can accept the mistaking view of new player dorsey. It seems genuine how he thinks that ico is like alt of datisi...

My thoughts here are based on the assumption that nobody of townies mistakes very much (maybe except dorsey). If there are any hige mistakes, well, most of them at keast are not mine i guess

[Wiki]

nothong

Nothing

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What if Three is town. I definitely dont want to elim him now after reading his thoughts

Scums: T3, Salsa... gera?

Salsa maybe is not with a50, because of his reaction on her vote.
Something is wrong. Maybe GammaLooker or dorsey is a scum, because scum Salsa is too brave wishing to vote in 4 townies with no bussing at all. Both?

Gamma pushed gera a bit when the pressure on him was low, he protected salsa for day 1... Looker still doesnt give anything useful, too much noisy walls and quotes with no strong conclusions..

Maybe smth like
T3, salsa, looker, gera
T3, a50, looker, gera

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Gamma decided to protect her, so he is more scum than her.
A50 also is scummier than salsa, because she is town for him.
Gera attacks salsa...
She is ready to vote looker and maybe someone of gera/a50
Well
Team of scums t3,a50,looker,gera is not so bad

Am i wrong?

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Dwlee said:
- Gamma is locktown (then he forgot abot that)
- t3 is in super awesome townlist of dwlee + dont elim t3 today(the sense was smth like this in few posts)
- votes in wiki,gera,salsa,dorsey

Why dwlee is town for gods sake?
Well this is not my problem at all, this is your choise

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^choice

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T3, gera, looker + one from dwlee/a50/salsa.
This is if there are no mistakes in andre/datisi/ico/sely/three/dorsey.

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T3, gera, looker + one from dwlee/a50/salsa.
This is if there are no mistakes in andre/datisi/ico/sely/three/dorsey.

if salsa is town, three has too many mistakes... scumreading datisi,sely,salsa... and if dorsey is also town...

[Wiki]

How about roleblocking looker? What do you think, a50?
He tries so hard. Im not sure he wants be roleblocked.

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Or maybe dwlee?

[Wiki]

Ok, roleblocking Looker/Dwlee sounds good.

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So when I discuss who is better to be checked by a cop - is this a cop claim?
And when I discuss who is better to be roleblocked - is this a roleblocker claim?
No no and no.
This is just a discussion and trying to help different possible prs.

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I really doubt if T3 maf here, Salsa is their partner.

i have reasons to consider salsa is not with a50 and it is rather hard to consider she is with gera.

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a50, are u still capable of learning smth new? (your age...)

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I don't think suggesting who PRs should target is a good idea, it gives scum time to plan around town's predicted actions.

nope, when the talking is about range, not about a single target

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thank you

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including a hypothetical town roleblocker, who scum can extremely easily avoid if the roleblocker takes the advice

Hmmm

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Yeah, im thinking about your scumslip.
Because it sounds you are not worrying about blocking scum prs.
Not only kill can be blocked if im not mistaking.

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And giving the kill to more suspicious scums than looker/dwlee is also ridiculouse to see it as a disadvantage of this discussion

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Check datisi/looker is still good

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Ico has more chances to be wrong about datisi, than datisi about ico.

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Checking gamma green we can trust a lot of his green colors.
Red looker or red datisi is a brilliant check too.

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Looker/Dwlee can be also blocked as persons, who could make a shot from rather safe positions.
And possibility of blocking in this range can force them to change their moves, to be more risky and unsafe.

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Checking datisi green, we've got 2 green colours. Datisi and Ico. And maybe Dwlee, if they are so sure at him. And also andre.

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Guys, go elim t3, just trust me.
Im done with rvs votes. T3 is my final vote today.

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T3, three... they can be together easily.

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Wiki,
Andre,
Ico,
Sely,
Datisi,
Dorsey,
Salsa,
GammaLooker,
a50,
Dwlee,
Three,
Gera,
T3.


This?

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VOTE: Three
U dont like me playing against t3, who tries to elim you, do you?

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To everybody:
If you love your mommy, then vote T3 or Three.

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VOTE: Three
U dont like me playing against t3, who tries to elim you, do you?

What? Nothing I said had anything to do with T3.

I don't like that you're trying to direct PRs and announce to the scum team what they should prepare for. You're either being scum read or begrudgingly town read by the entire player list, yet you think town should trust you to dictate everyone's night actions? You know nobody wants to listen to you, let alone do what you tell them to do, so you should know that your "suggestions" are just harmful to town.

I've theorized before that you could possibly just be a Traitor trying to make noise and act TSTBS to provide cover for the scum team. Now it looks like you're trying to signal to the scum team what to prepare for tonight. You're either scum or bad town, and for 90% of today I've figured you were just the latter. But you're continuing to do things that are blatantly harmful to town.

if you are town, you just dont know how to play. Zero experience.

[Wiki]

Searching for a possible traitor on day 1 LMAO

[Wiki]

Three if sely,datisi,salsa and me are all townies (and maybe dorsey) you've played only against townies in this game. You'd better to be a scum for your reputation.

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T3 tries to elim you with all cost.
I scumread him.
And you are saying about my open wolfing.
How should I understand this? As protection of t3 obviously. And you are thinking about dam traitor sh from nowhere in your head with no any healthy logic.

[Wiki]

VOTE: T3

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this is extremely annoying

andres is tunneling me for... good ish reasons but he's wrong
wiki is sheeping along for really terrible reasons

There is no need in any reasons here

[Wiki]

Did you forget this is a 4-scum 13-player set up?

You wont find a traitor on day 1 + we are not sure about its existence. I saw a game, where people talk much about a traitor, they were looking for him, and there was no traitor at all. It was chaos because of this among townies. So while u dont have enough info, just dont think about it so much. And it is more difficult to find sooo traitor, than team mafia.

[Wiki]

to find sooo traitor

To find a traitor

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We'd better to elim t3 today.
He has many moments that are difficult or impossible to understand. You cannot understand why he thinks someone is town/scum in different moments. And it is difficult to answer the questions "who and when was a scum for him?". I brought examples when he is doing some strange things, not knowing where to vote and who is more suspicious for him. Especially in the moments when he was scumreading and townreading salsa and a50 in the same moments, with no logic to vote them or to defend them. Now he is scumreading Three and Dorsey, there can be some bussing.
He is also rather careful for a townie, though he tries to show braveness.
People who scumread T3 right now can be the towniest players here: wiki,andre,ico,sely and maybe maybe maybe a50.

Three is very suspicious for not looking at T3 now, focusing on other targets (datisi,dorsey,salsa,looker,wiki). Though i have feeling that he can be just a very bad player, not sure about it.

Dwlee is very suspicious for defending T3. I dont care u think Dwlee is townie for no reasons at all. He gave nothing useful. His position (gera,salsa...dorsey...) can be mostly wrong.
Eliminating T3, we can consider Dwlee is scum if T3 flips red.
The same story with looker: looker was locktown for Dwlee, he forgot about this.

We wont elim Ico/Datisi because they are town to each other, we need to give them some time. Datisi is also town for some other people.
We wont elim looker, because it is possible that gamma had the best townlist on d1 and some people think he is town.
We wont elim Salsa, because last words of Gamma were not to elim Salsa today. And some suspicious persons want to elim her very much: t3,dwlee,gera,three...
We obviously wont elim Dwlee because he is town for most of you.


We have the remainder to be elimed today: t3,gera,three,dorsey,a50.

Im not sure about dorsey, but he looks like solo player with no team. A50 is defended by many people with no reasons, ok. Gera did some things scums maybe wouldnt do, but he has huge experience comparing with Dorsey...

This is not a bad idea to decide who to elim between T3 and Three. I would say Three looks a bit better, but he doesnt care t3 tries to elim him, thats why Three is suspicious af too. Maybe they are together.

Go elim T3 or Three today. Put both of them on e1. It is more interesting than eliming dorsey-gera, where we've got no interesting info because it is easy to bus with such partners.


Not very solid list (scumreads are in brackets; some interesting townreads are also added on the right):
Wiki, (t3,gera,dwlee...)
Andre, (t3...)
Ico, (t3,three,dorsey,looker). Town Datisi,Dwlee.
Sely, (t3...). Town Looker.
Salsa, (three,dorsey,wiki,looker). Town Dwlee,Datisi.
GammaLooker, (gera? datisi...). Town Salsa?
Datisi, (three... a50? dorsey?). Town Ico,Dwlee.
a50, (gera,dorsey,wiki,t3)
Three, (datisi,dorsey,salsa,looker)
Dorsey, (datisi)
Dwlee, (gera,salsa...dorsey...)
Gera, (salsa,wiki?)
T3. (Three, dorsey... salsa?no? A50?no!).

There can be mistakes, because im doing it on a phone

[Wiki]

Are you seriously scum reading me because I didn't impulsively counter scum read T3?

yes

[Wiki]

Are you seriously scum reading me because I didn't impulsively counter scum read T3?

yes

Bad Wiki. Go to bad player jail.

im a traitor for you, dont forget it

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Do you all want to know the final nail in the coffin for why Salsa is scum? Besides everything else I already said? Because town!Salsa is impulsive and self-destructive. Town!Salsa has good reads but almost zero nuance. Town!Salsa would literally rather drop the game or self-vote and crash and burn than deal with pressure from town, not power through it like she's been doing all game.

Town!Salsa isn't bad, but she naturally comes off as scummy because she gets paranoid and annoyed when people don't listen to her or scum read her. Scum!Salsa is otherwise very controlled, very thorough and precise, and very very townie looking because she can be 100% confident with whatever she says due to not actually having to second guess her self or her reads.

i dont trust metareading

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u think looker and salsa are together?
if no, gamma said not to elim salsa today
you think smth like sely,looker,salsa?
sely townreads gamma and salsa a bit
ppl townread sely
i dont think sely is a scum

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sely is town for you
she said dont touch looker and salsa

ico is town for you
he said dont touch datisi

you either vote dorsey, or need to think about t3 and other options.
i dont understand how you can nullread t3 who decided to elim you today in the end of the day, and there are no evidence t3 can be a townie (maybe only dwlee protects t3, nobody else).
from your pov t3 should be suspicious af

yeah, you have some good posts, so i dont vote you, but i have no idea how to townread you and how to protect you

i wont be crying for elimination a man, who is searching for a traitor on day 1

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why the fuck did you make a half-assed meta case on me then?

to elim you for voting your townies

[Wiki]

how do you know they're townies

you was voting YOUR townies, people who are townies FOR YOU

[Wiki]

go away in vla

[Wiki]

4 votes

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3 votes. datisi,t3,salsa. ico and i unvoted

[Wiki]

three, if you are not experienced player and town, maybe start listening to people who are townies for you?

[Wiki]

one of the simpliest way to play this game - is to find 1-2 townies and TO WORK TOGETHER, or just to sheep them

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You aren't working together with ANYONE! You've accused everyone of being scum! Stop with the holier than thou attitude already.

this is not true. i started doing this in my latest posts.

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I am, our reads are conflicting.

he voted t3, you even didnt susp t3

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go away in vla

what's wrong? getting anxcious people are starting to look your way?

youd better go vla

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like i said i dont touch ico-datisi because u are townreading each other.
this is not my mistake if one of them is a scum.
im waiting for tomorrow's info
patiently

[Wiki]

you know what ico. im mafia. i am a mafia scum. and i disrespect my team of scummies, i wish them to lose this game. ok?

this is not nervous... this is growing anger.

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i was on rvs stage most of the day

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why are you angry? or why is it growing?

because of stupidness

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now go away

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i don't think you made 10 posts before you left RVS

i dont care what you think, u even dont understand the simple reason i was scumreading you. still!

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now go away

not before i've tried everything to get you yeeted today

good luck with that
i would like to see your funny attempts

[Wiki]

ok, you convinced me he is a scum
VOTE: Datisi

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literally ur saving us to be chainpushed - that's what i'm feeling here

yes, im doing it because of that.

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Wow I feel good about nothing

you wanted to elim salsa, what about that?

[Wiki]

ico, say bye bye to datisi

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some good posts of Three, townpings

Spoiler:

Bad Wiki.

So Dwlee probably is town then.

probably towny thinking with fast conclusions after getting new info (though it was wrong info)

Wanting to know why something is scummy is not a bad reaction. Get your head out of your ass.

too rude for a scum here, like i've already said

VOTE: Selynee

I think Wiki is mostly flailing. But there's a good point being made about Selynee and even he sees it.

+for attentiveness to everybody

Wiki, chill.

why do scum need to do it?

the more i'm reading, the less i'm liking the argument between sel and three. mainly what i mean, sel is still feeling scummy to me, but something feels off about three pushing her there? i dunno. like piggybacking off of wiki's posts (which was frankly Bad) and 297 feels icky to me. like i think it's pretty natural here for someone to go "you're scum sheeping wrong!town onto me so you can hide behind them once i flip", and three is trying to twist that into some sorta scum!indicative thinking of her own possible future elimination.

three, how much mafia experience do you have?

I have enough experience.

I don't understand why you think my push feels off, Sel's thought process here just doesn't make sense to me. Not even 24 hours into the game and with only three votes on her, it would take a massive suspension of disbelief to truly believe that not only was I going to be the driving force behind her elimination, and not only am I scum fortunate enough to find two townies making bad reads on her for me to hide behind, but she also believes I'm going to death tunnel her and have my Day 2 strat all planned out weeks in advance.

It just, makes no sense to me. She doesn't even question the alignment of you or Wiki, and she doesn't question anyone who voted her after I did. T3 even made a naked vote and that somehow doesn't catch her eye?

I'm fairly certain Sel's scum read on me is fake, and the fact that you're pressuring me more than she is should be telling of that.

+for attentiveness

Selynee (5) - Almost50, Three, Datisi, Iconeum T3

UNVOTE:
actually not sure how much of a fan of this wagon i am
a50 is shitposting and not really doing anything, three had that weird post towards sel that i thought was bad-faithy, and t3's hop on is weirdly out of the blue

let's try uhhh
one two seven VOTE: three

Not liking the bad-faith parroting of T3. It's a minor point, but you never said you that thought that, T3 did.

+++for attentiveness, i liked this post much at that moment, because i noticed the same before you said this

I don't see the obvious A50 town thing ico.

okay, so sell me on scum!A50? i don't see it

In my pervious games with them, they were more active as town. I don’t have scum meta on them though but they're lurking for some reason and the self vote is weird.

Meh, I think they don't really enjoy this game. Seemed like they were looking for some reactions to their self-vote, though not pushing a lot there...

Hmm can be, who do you propose to vote instead?

This feels pretty scum indicative. I don't know how you could be so lost on who to vote for that you need someone to tell you who to vote.

VOTE: Salsa

i quoted this just to say to you that the sense of her question was not to find a help to herself, but to hear the opinion of sely. i think you didnt get it.

@Three

I think Andre is town here. They come off as common sense stuff and like genuinely trying to solve stuff when they could just vote someone (like Dorsley) and be done with it. Like 869, 1213 and 1215. Like, that's no way someone would directly blame them for Dorsley getting miselim here (cuz the consensus is that he is playing badly if they are not mafia) and while wk might be a thing- I feel that would be easier to just let an easy miselim go on than trying to wk someone who barely posted.
Same for Faria. Like, they were scumreading her, made a case in 825 so post like 828 comes us genuinely trying to solve the game.

Datisi- I sort of like for the most part. Like I said, I didn't really like that vote on gera cuz it felt a bit...too easy, I guess. Like yes, his answer that they are parking the vote there after a pretty obvious fake claim was weird but didn't seem to consider what would be the motivation for maf!gera there to say that in that context. The whole conflict with Wiki doesn't seem very productive cuz I think Wiki is town...but that seem more frustration-related than anything else.

Almost is...meh. Actually, I think the most pro-town thing was trying to get reactions on his wagon but he didn't follow up.

I am still not sure about Dwelee. Not sure why maf them would want Faria to be elim so much today when she is already in a pretty bad position (aka might be elim without them getting the spotlight if she is town). Not a fan of the fact that never built a case here

Gamma- see 636. I like 815...the only thing I don't agree with is that he is proposing basically 1234. Don't agree with, doesn't mean I think it is a lot of maf motivation there.

Gera and Dorsley are somewhere between...why would mafia do this and well, they could easily be mafia going for "well, they'll think why would mafia do this"


And it's time for my daily walk outside (hoping I don't catch the virus) so I'll give my thoughts on the rest later today.

K, I wasn't killed by a serial killer in the park (just my luck) so...

Faria- Actually don't find much mafia motivation with her entry. Faking believing the claim would have been something if she could get an easy miselim (like if any of them were at E-1 or something) but none were in danger of being elim. Plus stuff like calling for a policy elim doesn't seem like coming from someone who wants to be seen as town cuz from my limited experience, this usually isn't popular.

T3- Not a fan of their progression. Not helped by the fact that he doesn't really provides much info but like 375 says Three's read is made in bad faith but votes me in 377. 521- honestly, don't get why they are only suspecting me of pocketing when the same argument can be used that you were pocketing Datisi or Wiki by agreeing with them. Also, not a fan of the progression on salsa-516- meta stuff, 936- honestly don't see what's so bad in that reaction. 956- asks about scum motivations here but doesn't insist on this. 959- agrees with Andre's case. And that's basically all. No longer question Salsa read. Seems a superficial read there.

Ico- Did I say I don't like early reads? Cuz they lack consistency- like, if you say you townread someone on page 5 and scumread them on page 25, you can easily say "Well, the first one was just early vibes, now I no longer feel the same vibes" and this can easily come from both mafia or town.
Like, I actually like 352 and 368. Feels like a genuine attempt to make sense of Wiki's fake claim. And their early points on Almost. Plus from all the reasons they could give for voting me there, don't think mafia would come with 1374

Alright, I actually really like these reads, and hunting down specific posts to support your reads is +town.

TOWN

Andres- I've already made my thoughts on him clear. Very rational and logical, genuine attempts at solving, and not afraid to be combative. Overall a very strong town read.

Dwlee- I think they just town told early on by being lively and ready to play. I misread them in 2242 but tbh I really did think they were TSTBS there, here they're not actually afraid to have reads and solve alignments.

TOWN LEAN

A50- Not really doing much but I vibed hard with 767. I considered town locking him but that just seems foolish this early on into the game. Feels very different from 2242 where he was town but he could just be bored.

Ico- Early game felt weak but I wanted to let him simmer and see what he'd do over time. I like his more recent pushes, I just think he's wasting his time with Wiki.

Wiki- Probably town, I briefly considered him to be a potential Traitor just making a bunch of noise to provide cover for the scum team while guaranteeing he'd never get NK'd...but then he claimed PR for no reason. I just want him to chill if he's actually town, because he's going to get himself mislimmed if he keeps making a scene every god damn day.

NULL

Geraintm- Kinda hate that he's essentially refusing to play the game but that's apparently meta for him. It just means he can get away with it when he does roll scum though. If he doesn't start doing things Day 2 he needs to be auto-yeeted.

Sel- The reads list was genuinely townie, I'm re-evaluating your slot now and wondering if my earlier scum read on you was just wrong. I need more time to figure you out but I don't think you should ever be today's elim.

T3- Honestly, idk. I feel like I had a pretty good read on him in 2242 but lost him at the last second by trying to outguess the mod. He did scum slip hard though, so I guess he should just be sortable over time.

SCUM LEAN

Datisi- He made a lot of bad faith arguments with me and was more preoccupied with winning the argument rather than actually trying to solve my alignment. His interactions with Looker were also highly suspect, he seemed frazzled over some slight grilling and I just got bad vibes from it.

Gamma/Looker- Just as I was about to start re-evaluating Gamma, he replaced out, so that sucks. Looker's entrance is

fine

, but again, the interactions with Datisi gave me bad vibes. I strongly believe there's at least one scum between the two of them.

Dorsey- Basically just Gera but scummier. His reactions to pressure really make me want to scum lock him, it's that bad.

SCUM

Salsa- I've made my case for Salsa for awhile now, and I don't understand the hesitance to put real pressure here or why some people are even town reading her. There's nothing more to say that I haven't already said.

Are the bottom four of my list my hero solve? Eh, probably not, it's still too early to lock my reads in. I don't think a Salsa lim/pressure wagon is happening right now though, so my vote's between Dorsey and T3 as the leading wagons. Dorsey makes more sense with my reads, but Datisi is also voting him and it gives me pause. My top town reads are also on opposing wagons, so it's hard to read the better choice here based off of who's currently voting. So I guess for now I'll just go off of my own read.

VOTE: Dorsey

It is not a bad post. And this post is important. this is Three's position, readlist.

Im lazy to read and quote more (I skip a lot of your talking with datisi and sely, for example, i cannot see that as productive enough).

the problem is that our view is very different.
somebody of us is mistaking if we are both townies

though i decided to build my game in other way for now.
maybe i understood some things right and i cannot tell you the whole info now.
maybe i am mistaking, it is also possible.

[Wiki]

T3 and Datisi are scums

[Wiki]

Ico is not with them

[Wiki]

New re-evaluating yeah
Just read how datisi and t3 speak with each other and check the reaction of datisi when ico voted t3

[Wiki]

In this case someone from dwlee and looker are a scum if not both

[Wiki]

Wiki, (t3,gera,dwlee...)
Andre, (t3...)
Ico, (t3,three,dorsey,looker). Town Datisi,Dwlee.
Sely, (t3...). Town Looker.
Three, (datisi,dorsey,salsa,looker)
Dorsey, (datisi)
a50, (gera,dorsey,wiki,t3)
Salsa, (three,dorsey,wiki,looker). Town Dwlee,Datisi.
GammaLooker, (gera? datisi...). Town Salsa?
Dwlee, (gera,salsa...dorsey...)
Gera, (salsa,wiki?)
T3. (Three, dorsey... salsa?no? A50?no!)
Datisi, (three... a50? dorsey?). Town Ico,Dwlee.

[Wiki]

Wiki, (t3,gera,dwlee...)

Need to update: Wiki (t3,datisi...)

[Wiki]

If smb doesnt know, you can open 2 iso in one time (using [+]).
Open Datisi and T3 and look how they speak to each other.

[Wiki]

The rest of mafia is somewhere in dwlee/looker/salsa/gera/a50.
Dwlee and gamma townread datisi, dwlee townread t3 also. I think dwlee is more scum between this two. He tried to say that t3 is useful even if he is scum.
Sely said that salsa is not with t3, im not so sure about it. He had strange behaviour about her elimination and townreading her. Salsa made many mistakes in this case, especially if looker is not scum.
If salsa is town, gera is too bad. Just too bad.
A50 said mafia are wiki,t3,gera,dorsey. Im not sure a50 is town even if he hit 2 of 4 targets.

[Wiki]

T3, datisi, salsa...
If ico is town.

[Wiki]

would ya look at that, i'm gone for a day and a half, and boom i'm the main wagon, curious

i sure hope wiki has a non-shit reason for voting me, though i won't put much faith into it

you are protecting scum t3

[Wiki]

Secondly, you are trying to elim Three, who is rather towny in many moments

[Wiki]

T3, datisi, salsa, gera.
The only problem is salsa, who is ready to vote anybody except her partners... Sound unbelievable. Sely, are u sure she is not with t3? And im not sure she is with gera ffff.
Maybe someone instead salsa

[Wiki]

I read some talking between isos, dwlee and gamma-looker can be not with t3 and datisi.

[Wiki]

Secondly, you are trying to elim Three, who is rather towny in many moments

maybe if you attempted to actually read the game, you'd see the bullshit three is saying about me, but who am i to teach such a professional player >_>

Datisi. Is t3 mafia? Why dont you think about it? Who can be with t3 and why?

[Wiki]

Datisi. I can see Three can be easy confused townie.
Why dont you have such a thought?

[Wiki]

Why do you vote Ico? Dwlee,Andre etc say that Ico is town. Dont you believe them? You tr them a lot. +Datisi is so sure

[Wiki]

T3, Datisi, Andre, Gera
This? Hmm

[Wiki]

Andre voted T3 but when I added my vote to T3 he unvoted and decided to vote Three together with T3. If Three is town I dont believe Andre couldnt see that.

[Wiki]

Emm, well, he unvoted when my vote was on Three. For a short period of time. Hmm.

[Wiki]

Why do you vote Ico? Dwlee,Andre etc say that Ico is town. Dont you believe them? You tr them a lot. +Datisi is so sure

Their reaction on

Looker

's

prod dodge

claim seems bad.

i dont understand this...

[Wiki]

It seems ok for me.

[Wiki]

Datisi has the same overreaction btw on the similar situation.
On the first page of the game.
This is not enough for eliming a person imo

[Wiki]

If u think Ico is scum, Datisi is more scum, he bets his house that ico is town

[Wiki]

4 4

[Wiki]

Three (4) - Datisi, T3, Salsabil Faria, Andre
Datisi (4) - Three, Dorsey, Looker, Wiki
T3 (2) - Selynee
Salsabil Faria (1) - geraintm
Wiki (2) - Almost50, Ico

Not Voting (1) - Dwlee99

Dwlee will hammer Three. Maybe anybody else

[Wiki]

5 4

[Wiki]

Wait what
Almost50 scumread: t3, wiki, gera, dorsey.
Why do you vote Three now?

[Wiki]

If three is green, a50 and datisi are scums.

[Wiki]

And t3 of course

[Wiki]

VOTE: almost50
Hard vote
He is voting not in his poe

[Wiki]

You are not my townread. I just dont want to deal with Datisi-Ico until having any info.

[Wiki]

And then i changed it and put you lower. And then at the bottom

[Wiki]

I changed that list few times

[Wiki]

You can check it in my iso

[Wiki]

So t3, datisi, a50...
Who is the fourth? Gera or Salsa?

[Wiki]

T3, datisi, a50, Gera.

Salsa? Ico? Andre? I dont think so rn.
Well this is my strongest position for this game if Three flips green

[Wiki]

And then i changed it and put you lower. And then at the bottom

You can check it in my iso

i did, i ain't found shit between you putting me high and you voting me. but please, do keep spamming the thread.

Spoiler:

Wiki,
Andre,
Ico,
Sely,

Datisi

,
Dorsey,
Salsa,
GammaLooker,
a50,
Dwlee,
Three,
Gera,
T3.


This?

Not very solid list (scumreads are in brackets; some interesting townreads are also added on the right):
Wiki, (t3,gera,dwlee...)
Andre, (t3...)
Ico, (t3,three,dorsey,looker). Town Datisi,Dwlee.
Sely, (t3...). Town Looker.
Salsa, (three,dorsey,wiki,looker). Town Dwlee,Datisi.
GammaLooker, (gera? datisi...). Town Salsa?

Datisi

, (three... a50? dorsey?). Town Ico,Dwlee.
a50, (gera,dorsey,wiki,t3)
Three, (datisi,dorsey,salsa,looker)
Dorsey, (datisi)
Dwlee, (gera,salsa...dorsey...)
Gera, (salsa,wiki?)
T3. (Three, dorsey... salsa?no? A50?no!).

There can be mistakes, because im doing it on a phone

New re-evaluating yeah

Just read how datisi and t3 speak with each other and check the reaction of datisi when ico voted t3

Wiki, (t3,gera,dwlee...)
Andre, (t3...)
Ico, (t3,three,dorsey,looker). Town Datisi,Dwlee.
Sely, (t3...). Town Looker.
Three, (datisi,dorsey,salsa,looker)
Dorsey, (datisi)
a50, (gera,dorsey,wiki,t3)
Salsa, (three,dorsey,wiki,looker). Town Dwlee,Datisi.
GammaLooker, (gera? datisi...). Town Salsa?
Dwlee, (gera,salsa...dorsey...)
Gera, (salsa,wiki?)
T3. (Three, dorsey... salsa?no? A50?no!)

Datisi

, (three... a50? dorsey?). Town Ico,Dwlee.

If smb doesnt know, you can open 2 iso in one time (using [+]).
Open Datisi and T3 and look how they speak to each other.

[Wiki]

@Datisi: Come vote the clown with us

dont say like that about yourself.

[Wiki]

If Im dead
And Three is green
Then elim
T3, Datisi, A50.
This is serious.

[Wiki]

Ah, your voting to Three doesnt count. Well, you tried, thats why nothing changes about you.

[Wiki]

@Datisi: Come vote the clown with us

why are you so angry on a player who is scum for you? this is so strange)) maybe u know that he is not a scum?

[Wiki]

i can post much more with ease if it is necessary

[Wiki]

so whats about my reasoning to vote you datisi? i brought those posts.
VOTE: Datisi

[Wiki]

VOTE: A50

ok master Wiki

guide me to victory senpai

ico, what are you doing

losing my interest in this game at a monstrous pace

VOTE: T3
maybe this is the spicey wagon this game needs

ico pls
why not t3-t
why is three town

VOTE: three

sure
works as well

ico wants to vote a50 and t3
datisi doesnt allowed ico to do that
ico listens to datisi and votes with him to three
why t3 is so town for datisi - there is no explanation

[Wiki]

I am answering machine of Three:

I don't know what E-x I'm at but whatever, I'm about to go to bed and somebody might quick hammer before I wake up. I'm VT. Now stop throwing and vote actual scum. If you think scum plays the way I have i.e. not giving a shit about how I'm perceived and pressuring commonly town read players, you might want to reconsider what you think scumminess actually looks like.

I want to vote within my scum reads + Wiki. Geraintm and T3 are useless flips since they have low content and low progression respectively. If either are scum then cool, but I don't fucking know that, and you're kidding yourself if you think either of them have made themselves readable enough to figure that out today.

He is sleeping, Ico is on vla, so either make it faster. or wait until he woke up if you want. It is better for night to be on weekends.

[Wiki]

also, wiki, that came after you voted me, and it still doesn't explain shit about what you find scummy about me, it's just a halfassed partner read that means nothing (:

i just found most of townies and i think three is among them. so if he flips green, you are red, im pretty sure.
almost the same story with t3. when he flips red, you are red too.
you are almost the only one who forced 1 and protected 2

[Wiki]

@Datisi: It's a matter of principle now. If I could report him for spamming I would, but unfortunately that's a grey area as no explicit rule exists against posting a million times an hour.

you can ban yourself

[Wiki]

your level of confidence is too damn high and unnatural

Their entire play today I have found unhelpful. No one should be spouting so many opinions at such high levels of confidence and berating everyone for not agreeing and directing how town should play.
If they are town, then the consequences of them being wrong would be disastrous. If they are scum, the same.

So I have tried to ignore them as best I can.
I am assuming they are just weird town, straight up.scum I don't think would play like this

you didnt understand that ico in this quote understood my quote not right. i explained it to her after that. read.

[Wiki]

You know that scum might pretend to be town?

yes, thats why im talking not about random townie but about the most towny person(s) for you

[Wiki]

why does scum!three claim VT but not PR?

[Wiki]

Hey, please don't call anyone moron. He is clearly new in this forum, will take time to understand the way of things here.
Again apologizing for my rude behavior towards you

Wiki

.

you'd better think from his pov: 1) he thinks im a scum 2) he calls me moron, clown etc. 1 and 2 cannot be together, something is wrong with his thinking. for example, he LIES that he thinks that i am a scum. think about it

[Wiki]

So where does that leave me? Probably somewhere like:

Lean Town
{Selynee, Dwlee99, Dorsey, Iconeum}
Slight Lean Town
{Three, Salsabil Faria, geraintm}
Neutral
{Almost50, Wiki}
Slight Lean Scum
{T3, Datisi}
Lean Scum
{ }
Uncertain
{Looker [Gamma Emerald]}

i still dont understand what happened with you, when you are voting Three now instead of T3 or Datisi after that list

[Wiki]

I started feeling better about T3 though I can’t quite explain it. Something about acknowledging that my reasons weren’t idiotic I just found disarming.

ah, i see. only this

[Wiki]

Looker,
please give any thoughts about players before the night. I mean now

[Wiki]

Yeah, and to die.
Who is with Three in team?

[Wiki]

Ok, he can be with Gera.
Maybe with GammaLooker, but i dont think so.
Hard to believe he is with Salsa, A50, Datisi.
Ico? He was forced to vote Three and became nervouse. Hmm.
Three, Ico, Gera...
Need one more... Looker/Dorsey? Or smb is bussing? Smb of Dwlee/Andre/T3?

[Wiki]

Ok
T3, Three, Ico, Gera.
But Datisi bets his house Ico is town. Not only he.
Scum!Three attracts too much attention to himself with his attacks on gamma,sely,datisi,a50,salsa. Why he needs to kill Datisi so much if Ico pocket Datisi...
There are some easier targets for scum!Three like gera/dorsey, why doesnt he attack them instead of big fish? Well he tried Dorsey and Gera can be his partner,but still too much pressure on targets, that wont be elimed.
He asked Gamma to elim Salsa, he started a war with Datisi... He could do that not so suicidal for himself.

[Wiki]

How am I been "narrow"? I've been questioning and evaluating so many slots in the game.

This is not true.
I've just checked, there are some people you didnt talk with at all the whole game.
This is a bad answer

[Wiki]

You have only one message to Gera.
You have two little dialogs with Gamma(Looker?).
You talked with Ico not much, couple of times.
Maybe i didnt check all players, maybe in dorsey/dwlee the picture is the same

[Wiki]

Yeah, no talking with dwlee and only a little late dialog with dorsey.
Most of dialogs above doesnt include any attempts to understand the person's color, thinking process, etc.

[Wiki]

And correct me if im wrong... u didnt speak with T3 at all??
He made a huge case against u... repeating after Datisi...
That was my main reason why you are suspicious to me. And tgats why u can be with T3.

[Wiki]

Sorry, u talked with t3, i saw it wrong

[Wiki]

no talking with dwlee

This is proven wrong by hitting ctrl+F and looking up their names in my ISO, but ok.

No talking with dwlee

[Wiki]

The only moment when Three talks with Dwlee

Three are u town

Yes.

[Wiki]

I know for a fact that I spoke with and

actively evaluated

Dwlee.

This was in mafia chat or in your dream or in other game

[Wiki]

U really want me to vote you?
Rather suicidal for u