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What’s up my peeps. I’ve kind of been skimming the game a bit but haven’t really done an extensive read through.
Just off the top of my head though, I got Meuh, Vanya, Moose, and Crescent as probably town. Maybe one of those could more than likely be scum, but they seem the most like town so far.
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I guess this is fair given the previous reads there.In post 101, Roden wrote:I do find it interesting that there's a bit of dogpiling on Vanya right now but not much follow up with actual votes. After a quick skim, I only see two votes there.
I never like prompted votes and yes I do think it comes from scum more often than not. Also I don't remember there being other options to consider.
Will probably end up back on MonkeyMan unless something else happens.
Again, I'm starting to a feel a little different based on the tones of the posts.In post 107, Carcalilly wrote:like idgaf about vanya its just the irony that pains me
this is the only hope i have for it honestly. First day wagons are supposed to be reachy anyway ig.In post 104, Crescent wrote:This may be a goodplace to look back to on a later day to get a better scope of the players who are speaking now once we have some flips later on.
Hmm. Self-meta? I can dig it, but that last "idk man" has me pinging agan. Like everything else would have been fine except for that last little part.In post 109, Carcalilly wrote:
its like hearing a faint alarm bell but not knowing where tf its coming from. I mean, yeah im probably overreacting. maybe projecting cuz scum me would hop in on an comfy echo chamber like this in an instant. idk man.In post 108, Roden wrote: Why does it bother you so much?-
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Why were you expecting a LAMIST response? Were you scumreading those previous posts Carca made?In post 111, Roden wrote:
Alright, makes sense. I was expecting a more LAMIST response, so I'm leaning town for you now.In post 109, Carcalilly wrote:
its like hearing a faint alarm bell but not knowing where tf its coming from. I mean, yeah im probably overreacting. maybe projecting cuz scum me would hop in on an comfy echo chamber like this in an instant. idk man.In post 108, Roden wrote: Why does it bother you so much?
I don't remember you being so reactionary when getting voted. I played with you a couple times iirc as my alt.
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Don't remember you being so full of "thoughts" on our last Day 1.In post 130, Scorpious wrote:
I feel like this could be a scum post. Again, could be.In post 127, Crescent wrote:
Why?In post 125, Gamma Emerald wrote:scorpious and crescent seem town rn
Gotta show your work.
Taking advantage of getting town leaned to call out the leaner for reasons why..
I can easily see the tactic being used, it’s a very town question to ask, but the timing could indicate alignment.
I’m just talking my thoughts, nothing substantial..
And that can't come from scum?In post 133, Gamma Emerald wrote:
it seems like a fairly critical responseIn post 131, Carcalilly wrote:
This one in particular seems NAI to me, what about it?In post 129, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I like these postsIn post 124, Scorpious wrote:
You waited 5 years?In post 112, FugitiveMoose wrote:Question of the day, if a player makes a vote but no one takes it serious. Did that person really make a vote?
Hello, everyone. This is my first game on this forum.
Have you played elsewhere over that time?
But you immediately voted him for that post so I kinda doubt it.In post 138, Dwlee99 wrote:If fugitive moose did anything following that post he'd be less scummy
This.In post 147, Andresvmb wrote:
And why would I have to be voting there?In post 142, Dwlee99 wrote:
Homie you aren't even voting thereIn post 139, Andresvmb wrote:I can’t wait to see how Vanya reacts to the wagon on them.-
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Seems kinda early to be going here with it no? Meuh summed it up pretty well.In post 153, Roden wrote:
One of the worst feelings is losing to a scum team that didn't do anything while town cannibalized themself all gameIn post 140, Meuh wrote:
Hmm that could be the case, I suppose.In post 136, Roden wrote:I feel like Vanya is trying to lurk out the pressure on him, but with 24 hour prod timers it'll be a bit difficult.
I think with the way Vanya responded to pressure, they could be wanting to avoid attention on them and just let momentum dissipate.
(bless the 24 hour prod timers )
however, I don't know if this is an assumption to make just based on someone just not posting for a while.
i like to assume scum are actually yknow, trying to play the game?
losing to lurkscum sounds lame
maybe i have too much faith though, it's a fairly common tactic isn't it?
It is a pretty common tactic to just lurk out early pressure, but tbh it almost always works. I almost never see initial wagons stick unless that player reacts really really badly.
Why are you saying the same thing Roden said?In post 155, MonkeyMan576 wrote:UV is probably just scum and avoiding confrontation.
This feels kinda clunky here.In post 156, Scorpious wrote:In post 152, Roden wrote:Oh damn, I kinda like this
Though NM is screwed if he replaces in at some point lmao
This is weird, why would you have an opinion on a mod message? Are you happy Titus’ content didn’t count for some reason? Does the rule excite you?
And why envoke NM? I don’t get it. This prompted me to look at your iso and there isn’t much there.
Geraintm does make you go hmm. I'd like to hear more when you're ready to talk about it.
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Ehh potential mindmeld in 176
177 - Ooh spicy. What is your true read on Carcalilly?
I don't know, just reading Scorpious' posts feel so different from last game and very similar to another scumgame I've played with them. 178and 179 in particular just feel strange.
Is he though? You seem to just be keeping your options open.
Roden town?In post 182, Roden wrote:I've explained all of those posts as I made them except for the mod one, but even that one should be obvious. I don't see the point of questioning me on why I like the idea of short prod timers after I just said how scum lurking out pressure is usually an effective strategy.
In post 184, MonkeyMan576 wrote:OMGUS much?
Could dwlee and MonkeyMan be potential partners? They are individually scummy to me and have not interacted.In post 185, MonkeyMan576 wrote:We caught scum guys.
I feel like there is scum somewhere in dwlee, MonkeyMan, and Scorpious?-
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Okay pg 9 is where I started reading for real so I'm pretty much caught up and no what's going on at this point with the "softclaim" and whatnot. If anyone needs to ask me questions or needs me to clarify things feel free to do so. Probably won't be giving readslist this early but I'd say I know pretty much where my head is. Of course my reads can be wrong and probably are on Day 1, but things have stood out and not stood out to me if that makes sense.-
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Yeah this is what I'm thinking right now.In post 576, Crescent wrote: The way Roden straight up called out Scorpious didn't feel like a scum move. It felt like an annoyed town move. Scorpious' bad reaction to him makes me pretty confident that Roden is town if he is scum.
Are you just asking yourself rhetorically or are you trying to tell me something?In post 576, Crescent wrote:I kind of just completely let MM go after my pressure on him.Wonder why I did that.
Exactly. I kinda forgot that dw was in the game and then when I was catching up and reading his iso the pings were popping in left and right.In post 576, Crescent wrote:Dwlee is a virtual inactive and has done basically nothing but hop between your slot and Moose, the other two inactives. Hopped from Moose to your slot almost immediately after I put the spotlight back on Andres. Kinda gives the vibe of not caring which of the two is getting voted for.
This is what I felt when reading his posts and how everyone was interacting with them. Low hanging fruit is generally very valuable for scum which is why they hang onto it in practically every game. That's not to say this never comes from scum, but I'd say the percentages are pretty low on Day 1.In post 576, Crescent wrote:My personal experience says players like Moose are usually town being antagonistic because they don't know how to relate to the game. I've found players like him are the easiest vote in the world and they flip town more often than not - Though his scum equity goes up significantly if Scorpious is scum. He's been softly defending Moose without directly tying himself to him.-
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This isn't the newbie queue?In post 568, Dwlee99 wrote:There's a newb tell specifically about how they entered the game
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Nah you were townleaning.In post 571, Gamma Emerald wrote:Nah but I just said I liked it
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I mean it is Day 1.In post 582, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I'm glad you are active, Italiano, but it doesn't sound like a lot of what you are saying is based on anything semi concrete.
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Which part? Specifics please.In post 582, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I'm glad you are active, Italiano, but it doesn't sound like a lot of what you are saying is based on anything semi concrete.-
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Yeah Meuh, I don't really have a problem with 393, except this one part...
Crescent has been active, but not just that, she has been involved in sorting players and given us an inside look into how she thinks. There's townie quirkiness there. Dwlee and Gamma have not done this and for me dw looks a lot worse here than Gamma but together I wouldn't put them into the same category as Crescent at all.In post 593, Meuh wrote:Dwlee and Gamma I also have not really attempted to sort, and are in a similar space in my head if that makes any sense?
I also don't even have an issue with your vote not only because it's aligning with what I think about dw, but given what you posted earlier about dw there is a disconnect, but it feels like townie disconnect not scummy.-
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I know this isn't for me, but just giving my thoughts on the subject. In general I think it's bad to claim if you're pr and if you are, should play in a way that doesn't get you nightkilled, but also not enough to get voted out. My last game all town pr's were dead by day 3 because of a day 1 massclaim. I think it's ridiculous to do and kills the strategy of the game. I think in general people rely too much on them; they should be a tool. I don't even like the rule of this site that you claim at E1 but that's what it is.In post 594, geraintm wrote:
Not sure how you want a town Pr to claim then? They aren't to hard claim, they aren't to soft claim, should they just never mention it?In post 553, Roden wrote:
Claiming a PR under pressure is bad town play. Softing a PR to scare people away from pressuring you is scummy play.In post 520, Crescent wrote:I agree with Rodan's assessment that he was obviously "softclaiming", but am perplexed as to why he'd bring it up so quickly, and even more perplexed as to why he'd immediately demand a claim.
It feels like it needed a lot more time to play out.
If Scorpius actually wanted to use his PR to catch scum in a trap, it would've been better to not say anything at all so that scum could feel confident in actually voting him. As it is now, there's nothing we can analyze about his wagon. So instead we have to figure out if he just misplayed his PR, used his PR to avoid dealing with suspicion, or faked a PR soft to stop his wagon from forming.-
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Ahh okay. Noted.In post 612, Meuh wrote:
Dwlee/Gamma/Crescent aren't in the same space in my mind, only Dwlee/Gamma. I worded that poorlyIn post 611, ItalianoVD wrote:Yeah Meuh, I don't really have a problem with 393, except this one part...
Crescent has been active, but not just that, she has been involved in sorting players and given us an inside look into how she thinks. There's townie quirkiness there. Dwlee and Gamma have not done this and for me dw looks a lot worse here than Gamma but together I wouldn't put them into the same category as Crescent at all.In post 593, Meuh wrote:Dwlee and Gamma I also have not really attempted to sort, and are in a similar space in my head if that makes any sense?
I also don't even have an issue with your vote not only because it's aligning with what I think about dw, but given what you posted earlier about dw there is a disconnect, but it feels like townie disconnect not scummy.-
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Uhh looks like you quoted the wrong post here.In post 595, geraintm wrote:
It's day 1, you shouldn't trust anyone. That is a very pointless commentIn post 553, Roden wrote: Don't trust gera at all though and consider him a good potential vote.
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I disagree. I think it's a wagon that can definitely happen. What do you think about the wagon that is forming on another player. Both the wagoners and the wagonee.In post 596, geraintm wrote:I hate Meuh's vote kn Dwlee. I don't see any build up to it, and then they use other people wanting to pressure them to justify their vote. It won't go anywhere, that isn't a wagon that is likely to happen anytime soon. It feels like a "I wanna be seen doing something"
It comes right after a wagon is forming is another player....so large naughty point for you
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I think your play has been kinda weird. Are we supposed to accept your play and just let it ride?In post 597, Dwlee99 wrote:Yea meuh's vote on me is kinda weird especially as an explicit counter to MM and also because they open up discussion of me as explicitly not knowing how to read me etc. and not saying anything about my play. Why am I a better wagon than MM if she hasn't even attempted to sort me?
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There is not much going on up in here right nowIn post 581, ItalianoVD wrote:@dwlee: besides the scumreads you have on myself, vanya, scorpious, and moose, what else is going on in that head of yours?-
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Oh really? Well I look forward to hearing what you have to say about it.In post 601, Dwlee99 wrote:
Okay yea this post is icky I'mma look more into this monkey personIn post 582, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I'm glad you are active, Italiano, but it doesn't sound like a lot of what you are saying is based on anything semi concrete.-
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Read my 611 and see if you can see what I see.In post 602, Crescent wrote:Also Meuh mentions Dwlee one time in that entire post when she says "I haven't attempted to sort Dwlee", then lists them as a top suspect and votes them.
Big disconnect between logic and vote to directly go against 3 quick votes on someone else with.
Kind of agree with Gera that it feels like a wall post leading to an easy vote just for the sake of placing a vote.-
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Yeah, that's what happened. Your reaction is what is selling me on my vote and why I feel okay voting here.In post 619, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I just feel like Italiano picked someone out of a hat and decided to right a bible about while they are scummy, I think I've had a lot of good points for day 1 compared to a lot of players.
And that's a misrep, I didn't write a Bible about why I thought you were scummy, I was writing about everything and everyone in the game. I probably wrote a few sentences about you. I actually had more to say about Scorpious, who I'm realizing now may actually be town.-
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Scum can make good points just like townies can make bad points.In post 619, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I just feel like Italiano picked someone out of a hat and decided to right a bible about while they are scummy, I think I've had a lot of good points for day 1 compared to a lot of players.-
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Aight, I guess it's late enough in the day to lay it out. Frankly I'm gonna be gone most of the day and I'll try to check in later.
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*blue- strong townlean, *green- medium townlean, *yellow- weak townlean, *orange- weak scumlean, *red- strong scumlean
I don't have any nulls because I feel everyone has done something to make me place them somewhere. I'm probably wrong on some of these, but there would need to be some concrete evidence for me to do full 180s on any of these slots.-
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After reading I will admit that 636 is good if dwlee is town. I think we go with MonkeyMan today and see if there is resistance there. Probably Gamma would be a good counterwagon.
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I agree. He beat me to it.
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Now that you’re here, what’s on your mind. Other than Vanya, who else do you think is scum?In post 647, MonkeyMan576 wrote:That's a poor idea.-
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Yeah that’s really gonna since you said you’re town.In post 652, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Just eliminate me and get it over with if you're going to be assonine about it.-
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…really gonna *help*In post 661, ItalianoVD wrote:
Yeah that’s really gonna since you said you’re town.In post 652, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Just eliminate me and get it over with if you're going to be assonine about it.-
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Oh…well this is awkward, I meant they as in dwlee.In post 654, Crescent wrote:
Wait who is the he in this scenario?In post 648, ItalianoVD wrote:I agree. He beat me to it.
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How am I confbiasing? You’re actions have seemed the most like scum, it hasn’t just been me, others have seen it and now you’re taking your ball and going home.In post 658, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Yeah because he is confbiasing and I'm not in the mood for an overdrawn out meaningless day one fight right now.-
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Even more is he’s not saying I’m scum or that it’s bad faith, but somehow we’re supposed to just think he’s town and change our minds because he said so. I’d much rather he engage, but I guess that won’t happen. Not doing so, however, is just solidifying my vote there.In post 664, Crescent wrote:
What's really odd is he's just completely ignoring my calling him scum. He's solely focused on Italiano calling him scum and how it's completely invalid "because reasons".In post 659, Roden wrote:Joins game
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Refuses to explain anything
Asks to die
He comes off as toxic and petty towards Italiano specifically, but doesn't seem to care about anyone else. It's bizarre.-
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I’m just saying if I’m wrong I’d assume a real townie would be trying to prove their innocence.
It’s more like saying “you’re wrong” and then when asked “ok why am I wrong?” the response is “I don’t wanna talk about it.”
And also I’m not confbiasing, so that’s wrong. I had Carca, Gamma, and Scorpious as my leanscums when I first replaced in. After actually reading the game my leanscums changed to MonkeyMan, dwlee, and Scorpious.
Recently dw has posted in a townie way, believe it or not Scorpious has had some townie content, although not enough imo to outweigh the scumminess, and MonkeyMan has had a few townie posts, but like Scopious not enough to outweigh the scumminess and like I said, scum can posts townie content from time to time.-
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It was supposed to say *glaring*In post 701, ItalianoVD wrote:It’s a going difference imo.-
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Well then I guess that’s it then huh? I’ve iso’d him multiple times and actually can see some towniness, like I said in my previous post, but these recent reactions, especially 582, are muddying everything I try to see. I’m really trying to understand if a townie would act this way and I just can’t see it.In post 704, Crescent wrote:In post 701, ItalianoVD wrote:Something I’ve noticed is dwlee is forming thoughts and posts and acts like they know they are town, while MonkeyMan is forming thoughts and posts and acts like he is upset that we don’t see him as town. It’s a going difference imo.
All he said was "I'll post what I feel like when I feel like it".In post 702, ItalianoVD wrote:Also lol, MonkeyMan is not dealing with me, anyone else wanna try to get him to engage in the game?
He won't engage with anyone, it's not just you.
Lee looks like someone who "woke up" when pressured. Self-preservation is *not* scummy. Some players naturally are that way. I used to gear shift when pressured, personally. There's someone I'm used to playing with who I routinely nag at early to get him to talk.
Lee has had a train of thought where you can follow it and see the town motives.
And 100% this on dw. I would move them up into my yellow/green tier. I especially like 684. It doesn’t feel like an agenda and as I mentioned it really feels like they are posting from a townie mindset, like “I know I’m town and this is what’s on my mind.”-
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Doesn’t everybody?In post 710, Scorpious wrote:I like your play, you just seem to get a little ego going when you think you’ve figured things out-
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Spot on.In post 711, Crescent wrote:In post 650, ItalianoVD wrote:
Now that you’re here, what’s on your mind. Other than Vanya, who else do you think is scum?In post 647, MonkeyMan576 wrote:That's a poor idea.
I've finally picked up on what I think will be key in reading you.In post 705, geraintm wrote:i feel like i am in trouble if there are people agreeing with my Day 1 thoughts.
You like to appear dumb. You want people to think you're not as smart as you actually are.
But it slips when you make posts like you have recently that have been on point.-
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After reading the last few pages, especially the interaction between Crescent and Scorpious, I wanna update my readslist.
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*blue- strong townlean, *green- medium townlean, *yellow- weak townlean, *orange- weak scumlean, *red- strong scumlean
Nothing else aside from Scorpious and dw has changed obviously. If MonkeyMan is somehow town then scum is probably between yellow and green.-
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Fine, who is scum or at least where are you leaning.In post 736, MonkeyMan576 wrote:It's two days until deadline. I'm vanilla town. You could probably do a lot worse than eliminating me, but whatever.-
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In response to 738.In post 740, ItalianoVD wrote:Yeah I know, I was just kinda throwing my thoughts out.-
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Did you already state it?In post 739, Gamma Emerald wrote:There’s a specific reason I chose to vote dwlee-
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I am a hood member.In post 759, Roden wrote:UNVOTE:
Hood members need to claim first to avoid potential false guilties from a PT Cop.
it sucks that our hood is so deafeningly silent though.-
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Duly noted.In post 744, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yes-
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Oh wow, I didn't catch that.In post 750, Scorpious wrote:Lol you litterally just copied and pasted the yellow portion Italiano’s list…
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I really like this post from Carca. It's to the point that if she is scum she gets a pass for now.In post 753, Carcalilly wrote:ok, im out of a computer for like a week and a half, i don't wanna blockpost with quotes on a phone because it's way too easy to get formatting screwed. if anyone wants any point clarified with quotes ask me directly. these are kinda in-order from p23.
Spoiler:
while the deadline is close, id rather see what MM has to say, and for an official votecount before placing my vote anywhere.-
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I'd like to think town is cohesive. Scum like to have a lot of confusion and reads going every which way, so I'm really hoping we are just seeing town unity, even though it's Day 1.In post 757, Meuh wrote: Either this scum team's glaringly obvious and I'm missing the mark, or there's something sketchy going on with how half of the players have the same takes on most things. I guess we'll see, ego aside I hope I get proven wrong-
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Ummm...
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I don't have an issue with it. It's whatever for me.In post 777, Titus wrote:We are not doing this claim hood nonsense. That's scum motivated. There's no proof there even is a PT Cop or not.