Mini Normal 2272: Flash Games | Game Over!

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Hi! Just got off work and catching up. Gonna see if there’s a smoke trail I can sense as much as my two nostrils can sniff.

Anyone got any suggestions where to look first?

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Roden was killed, he was:

Vanilla Townie

Welcome, Roden, to Mini 2272! Your role is

Vanilla Townie.

You have no special powers.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member remains alive.

Okay so Roden died.

This means either their reads were on fire or no one scumread them or both.

It also means there’s scum likely in Roden voters and maybe another subset but waiting to see how that develops.

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Titus is probably town for being uncooperative.

Hahaha no.

Titus uncooperative is not how to read her.

She was very uncooperative when I kept trying to townblock and she was scum.

So much so I said fuck it and said we’re doing her.

I get the sentiment and I need to read her but it’s whether she believes she is being protown and working towards a protown agenda she is. If she’s negative it’s a dead giveaway.

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Yeah, that's what an OMGUS is, it means you'd rather attack your attacker rather than genuinley scumhunt.

Use this as a parameter.

This combined with a prior post is a good place to look.

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Oh Monkey was elimmed and flipped town?

VOTE: Titus

Good place to start.

Likely Roden was killed for TRing Titus or null kill.

I wanna see Titus change my mind.

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VOTE: scorpious
yeah I'm thinking this is scum

What changed?

consideration of the nightkill kicked in
there was no real objective to that kill, dwlee posited it could have been PR hunting but in that case why not shoot the softclaim that I don't think anyone really trusted enough to protect?

This is a good question.

Assume Gamma is town, (which considering the hammer I think almost everyone should consider Gamma town), then if Gamma noticed a soft claim PR somewhere D1, why is that PR claim not dead?

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Reading ItalianoVD and Dwlee99 makes me feel like such a badass.

Bonus points to Math for being FoSed in a game he's not even in. I want him to sub in now.

VOTE: Scorpious

I wasn’t reading but this is hilarious but this vote is troubling.

I really wanted to sub in because flash games and I have done dev work on flash games.

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I really feel Titus is town She’s so much better at this game than she is showing, but when she does grace us with her presence, it’s “let’s kill scorp”..

It’s just so beneath her. I’m town, I’ll have no issue claiming if it comes to it. And yes I am a PR , and the focus needs to be elsewhere..


Ger could actually being scum this game. “Prod me then I’ll do stuff..” wtf is that?

Cool Scorpious + Titus. Excuse me I think there’s a fire over here. Like damn.

Anyone wanna convince me otherwise?

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Why?

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Titus is a good scum. If she has an active player like Scorpio she’d be knowing how to communicate and work with people and play with their strengths and preexcuse any weaknesses. It could also be that Titus wants a free elim on Scorpio. Either way that Scorpio vote is all kinds of bad.

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Reading Scorpio’s claim I think I kinda believe the JK part at least. Town or scum will see but leaning the former.

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Votecount 2.2

Alice Is Dead - Ep 1 (2009) - ImpendingRiot

geraintm

(2): Meuh, Dwlee99

Scorpious

(1): Titus

Dwlee99

(1): Gamma Emerald

Not Voting

(7): FugitiveMoose, ItalianoVD, geraintm, Scorpious, Crescent, Carcalilly, Uncle Vanya
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning

I’d be down for Dwlee or Titus I think.

Gamma is practically obvTown and Titus is sus for suspecting and sheeping Gamma at the same time. Completely inconsistent.

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VOTE: scorpious
yeah I'm thinking this is scum

What changed?

consideration of the nightkill kicked in
there was no real objective to that kill, dwlee posited it could have been PR hunting but in that case why not shoot the softclaim that I don't think anyone really trusted enough to protect?

This is a good question.

Assume Gamma is town, (which considering the hammer I think almost everyone should consider Gamma town), then if Gamma noticed a soft claim PR somewhere D1, why is that PR claim not dead?

Roden noticed it first and publicly outed it
Also I’m curious why that hammer makes me town.

I don’t see scum!you making that hammer. You’re more reserved as scum so I don’t think you as scum do something so blatant. I mean there is the off chance you wanted to heal your meta but I don’t see scum you taking that shot or really even having the capability to.

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I don't really see a scorp/titus s/s cuz iirc they've been tunneling eachother quite a bit.

Yeah I saw Roden’s claim and I thought Scorpious is probably town. I just hate that Titus vote.

What do you make of Titus?

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Scorpious’s claim*

I swear I can word good

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Spoiler:

So, we went from

VC1.9
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
MonkeyMan576 (2): Andresvmb, Roden
Andresvmb (2): Crescent, Dwlee99
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Titus (1): Scorpious
geraintm (1): Uncle Vanya

to VC10

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Crescent, Roden
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
ItalianoVD (2): Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576

addition of Italiano and Crescent to the MM wagon

then next was Dwlee

VC12

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly
Dwlee99 (3): Meuh, Gamma Emerald, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): Scorpious

Crescent and Roden gone, replaced by Carcalily

and the final was

MonkeyMan576 (7): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly, Crescent, Scorpious, Uncle Vanya, Gamma Emerald HAMMERED
Dwlee99 (2): Meuh, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (1): Titus
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): MonkeyMan576

Only VC today is

Votecount 2.1

Endless Migration (2009) - HotAirRaccoon

Scorpious

(3): Carcalilly, Gamma Emerald, Titus

Uncle Vanya

(1): Meuh

Not Voting

(7): FugitiveMoose, ItalianoVD, geraintm, Scorpious, Crescent, Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning

with the overlap between the Scorpious push and yesterday being Carcalily and the Gamme hammer

while the deadline is close, id rather see what MM has to say, and for an official votecount before placing my vote anywhere.

I'm sure you will

VOTE: monkey

So, i am deeply suspicious of Carcalily, their vote on Scorpious today is...?

I vote for people I want dead. Simple.

Who do you want dead Carcalily?

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Question to everyone:

Who would you jail tonight if you were me?

Titus Dwlee Carca or Gamma

I think Titus / Dwlee / Carca as possible scum

I think Gamma because I think Gamma is very obv town and based on Gamma’s responses I doubt he’s a PR so low risk.

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Maybe JV but that’s a stretch.

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Question to everyone:

Who would you jail tonight if you were me?

Someone in the neighborhood probably

Let’s talk about the hood.

For a moment pretend I am IC (I am not but pretend) who is scum in the hood and why? I think there’s definitely scum in the hood.

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I’m kinda thinking Titus
She complained early on that the hood wasn’t really active but didn’t actually seem to show genuine care
That kinda feels like she wanted to pocket people in it?

I can definitely feel that. Especially how she’s not “omg be in my block” “my block”.

I also kinda feel Carca is with Titus for the response not S&S yet was on record suspecting Scorpious but then poof when I ask who they want dead.

Like I think Titus is the lynchpin with the Roden kill.

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She’s called/implied the hood as a masonry as well despite in a 13 player game that’s sus as hell, so if she’s scum I think that *might* clear JV and Italiano.

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I’m kinda thinking Titus
She complained early on that the hood wasn’t really active but didn’t actually seem to show genuine care
That kinda feels like she wanted to pocket people in it?

I can definitely feel that. Especially how she’s not “omg be in my block” “my block”.

I also kinda feel Carca is with Titus for the response not S&S yet was on record suspecting Scorpious but then poof when I ask who they want dead.

Like I think Titus is the lynchpin with the Roden kill.

Interesting
You saw the comment at the start of this day right?

Kinda vague? You had a lot of posts at the start of the day.

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She’s called/implied the hood as a masonry as well despite in a 13 player game that’s sus as hell, so if she’s scum I think that *might* clear JV and Italiano.

Let’s not forgot the Vanya slot (you), who I was beginning to feel very iffy on. I understand you’re an IC right now but uhh yeah.

?? I am not an IC. I asked Gamma to consider me one so I don’t get a useless answer. I tend to scumread Titus a lot so by narrowing the scope Gamma was serving as a barometer as I think Gamma’s town.

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In this game MathBlade (Titus' brother) night killed Roden N1 because he thought he was a power role

I have a predisposition toward killing Roden as I believe they are top tier town. However I wasn’t in the game at this point.

Titus I don’t think has such a predisposition that I am aware of but my skill set with Roden is rather limited.

I think it’s either a null kill or trying to poison the waters and make Titus look good.

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I don't really see a scorp/titus s/s cuz iirc they've been tunneling eachother quite a bit.

Yeah I saw Roden’s claim and I thought Scorpious is probably town. I just hate that Titus vote.

What do you make of Titus?

Mixed. Two things that stand out to me are the hood claim and the hard scorp tunneling. Being first to claim the hood felt kinda ballsy to me. Still don't understand why she was so against the full hood claim.
The tunneling is concerning, though I'm seeing the same deal from dwlee. I can't fathom scorp being partnered with either, so my instinct is telling me that dwlee/titus are T if scorp flips S. Im open to the alternative T!scorp and S!dwlee/titus, but I trust that way less.

Why do you trust that way less?

I don’t think even night JK is a particularly scummy claim. Especially with things like watcher, tracker, (if he did the kill) PT cop/regular cop could guilty him.

There’s tons of others I am omitting from this list but I think if Scorpious was scum I think bussing him for cred would have been attempted or a stronger push. Here scum aren’t getting longevity from the claim unless scum were townread from D1 which again points to a Titus or similar type player. I just don’t buy Scorpious scum.

More than likely I think Titus scum keeps Scorpious around to hope Scorpious blocks a PR.

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Spoiler:

So, we went from

VC1.9
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
MonkeyMan576 (2): Andresvmb, Roden
Andresvmb (2): Crescent, Dwlee99
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Titus (1): Scorpious
geraintm (1): Uncle Vanya

to VC10

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Crescent, Roden
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
ItalianoVD (2): Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576

addition of Italiano and Crescent to the MM wagon

then next was Dwlee

VC12

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly
Dwlee99 (3): Meuh, Gamma Emerald, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): Scorpious

Crescent and Roden gone, replaced by Carcalily

and the final was

MonkeyMan576 (7): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly, Crescent, Scorpious, Uncle Vanya, Gamma Emerald HAMMERED
Dwlee99 (2): Meuh, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (1): Titus
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): MonkeyMan576

Only VC today is

Votecount 2.1

Endless Migration (2009) - HotAirRaccoon

Scorpious

(3): Carcalilly, Gamma Emerald, Titus

Uncle Vanya

(1): Meuh

Not Voting

(7): FugitiveMoose, ItalianoVD, geraintm, Scorpious, Crescent, Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning

with the overlap between the Scorpious push and yesterday being Carcalily and the Gamme hammer

while the deadline is close, id rather see what MM has to say, and for an official votecount before placing my vote anywhere.

I'm sure you will

VOTE: monkey

So, i am deeply suspicious of Carcalily, their vote on Scorpious today is...?

I vote for people I want dead. Simple.

Who do you want dead Carcalily?

[Scorp, Geraint, JV] is my pool at this moment in time.

Bad pool imho.

You’d be pushing JV here unless you believe in a 4 player hood is all town which is like uhm no?

So why push Scorpious over JV seems self serving

And Ger was a top wagon earlier

This feels a who can I elim versus who is scum. Unsure if it’s worth a rule of three on it.

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Question to everyone:

Who would you jail tonight if you were me?

Italiano / Crescent

So you’d jail excusively probably town in your eyes?

Damn this is a race for who is scummiest between you and Titus.

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Wait MathBlade do you think Scorpious is scum or no

No I don’t.

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Wait MathBlade do you think Scorpious is scum or no

No I don’t.

Why not

I already explained why not. Even night JK doesn’t make sense.

Scum would be throwing their utility away with that claim.

If anyone was blocked on an odd night (and then flips town) becomes policy.

Town scum both with blockers is practically unheard of.

So they’d be leashing Scorpious and if he didn’t agree with what majority town wanted another avenue of insta death.

It’s too restrictive. Scum under pressure almost always do some low powered invest for this reason.

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Or 3 out of 11 if it's a 3p scum team.
36% chance at random.

1/4
25% chance at random.

Is my math wrong here this seems wrong :p

Assuming Carca is town for sake of argument and assume 3 scum for sake of argument. Admittedly 4 is possible if one is traitor but I highly doubt that considering normals tend to be townsided (to me)

The two possibilities are all scum outside the hood
Or at least one scum in the hood.

Before flips on D1 >> 12 other players(13 total again assuming Carca town for argument), 4 in hood, 8 outside of it.

Two players dead both outside.

This means 6 outside hood 4 inside.

The odds of a single player being town would be 7/10. The odds of two both being town is 7/10 * 6/9.

Continuing on its 7/10 * 6/9 * 5/8 * 4/7 = approx 16.666%

Pretty low odds.

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Question to everyone:

Who would you jail tonight if you were me?

Italiano / Crescent

So you’d jail excusively probably town in your eyes?

Damn this is a race for who is scummiest between you and Titus.

I'm more confident in guessing who scum would target than guessing who is scum, tbh.

I’ve had good sense in the past with trying to block scum kills but in a general sense I would say it’s easier to use JK as a doctor than as a roleblocker.

I honestly would use it either on a scumread I couldn’t get elimmed or on a TR who isn’t a PR read.

If they are a TR and a PR I wouldn’t jail them unless I was super desperate on scumreads and had no other TRs because then you’re denying a PR and you’re not using the invest half of the PR as well and you’re denying the PR the chance to function.

There’s a few possibilities
Jail someone who did the kill / the victim >> yay!
Jail someone who didn’t do the kill/victim and isn’t a PR with feedback >> Hooray claim that at some point before death
Jail someone who didn’t do the kill/victim and is someone you TR and is a PR >> their feedback is gone and your ability to filter a null read is gone. You better be Damn sure about it if you block a person and they are a TR that they’re vanilla or not acting that night.

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Wait MathBlade do you think Scorpious is scum or no

No I don’t.

Why not

I already explained why not. Even night JK doesn’t make sense.

Scum would be throwing their utility away with that claim.

If anyone was blocked on an odd night (and then flips town) becomes policy.

Town scum both with blockers is practically unheard of.

So they’d be leashing Scorpious and if he didn’t agree with what majority town wanted another avenue of insta death.

It’s too restrictive. Scum under pressure almost always do some low powered invest for this reason.

It’s been a while since but I recall at least one game back from 2016 or so where there was a town and scum blocker

Yeah it’s possible just not probable. It’s why I don’t believe it’s a fake claim.

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Continuing on its 7/10 * 6/9 * 5/8 * 4/7 = approx 16.666%

16% for picking 4 people and they all end up Town. What relevance is this particularly, I fail to see what you're trying to portray.

If you follow the prior conversation I found it suspicious Carca wasn’t pushing in the hood. The odds are overwhelming that there is at least one scum in the hood. I could be wrong about Titus specifically (I doubt it) but Carca not wanting to poke in the hood feels fishy. The previously presented math was flawed and annoyed me so I corrected it.

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It isn't 0/4 scum in the hood. It's at least one. I have to read context of the game to gauge the instatown'd but I'd say not conf-town by any means. It would indeed turn 1/3 if we hit a green.

3/11 and 1/4 are so unbelievably close I don't think it matters that much. Sure we'll probably hit one in there, but there's no need to nuke it.

That math is so bad though.

It’s more than 80% likely the scum has at least a scum in it.

Combinatorics is a thing.

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Vsauce is soooo good!

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Jailing a neighbor has the same consequences of jailing not a neighbor.

Jailkeepers only interrupt night actions not PTs.

It would depend on whether the person being jailed was a PR or not.

A person in the hood can be a TPR, a VT, a SPR, a goon, or a traitor (unlikely) regardless of neighborhood status.

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Continuing on its 7/10 * 6/9 * 5/8 * 4/7 = approx 16.666%

16% for picking 4 people and they all end up Town. What relevance is this particularly, I fail to see what you're trying to portray.

If you follow the prior conversation I found it suspicious Carca wasn’t pushing in the hood. The odds are overwhelming that there is at least one scum in the hood. I could be wrong about Titus specifically (I doubt it) but Carca not wanting to poke in the hood feels fishy. The previously presented math was flawed and annoyed me so I corrected it.

Won't fight math with the math person. I'm not allergic to the hood, I just don't feel particularly driven to nuke it. Frankly I completely forgot JV was a part of it.

Given the narrow scope of > 80% odds of a scum in the hood I would rather elim in the hood and jail outside of it.

We either hit scum and likely temporarily soft clear some players or we hit town and then can use these results towards finding the scum in the hood.

It’s hard to follow why you wouldn’t want to poke at me or JV or Italiano?

Is it because you’re scum with Titus?

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Continuing on its 7/10 * 6/9 * 5/8 * 4/7 = approx 16.666%

16% for picking 4 people and they all end up Town. What relevance is this particularly, I fail to see what you're trying to portray.

If you follow the prior conversation I found it suspicious Carca wasn’t pushing in the hood. The odds are overwhelming that there is at least one scum in the hood. I could be wrong about Titus specifically (I doubt it) but Carca not wanting to poke in the hood feels fishy. The previously presented math was flawed and annoyed me so I corrected it.

Won't fight math with the math person. I'm not allergic to the hood, I just don't feel particularly driven to nuke it. Frankly I completely forgot JV was a part of it.

Given the narrow scope of > 80% odds of a scum in the hood I would rather elim in the hood and jail outside of it.

We either hit scum and likely temporarily soft clear some players or we hit town and then can use these results towards finding the scum in the hood.

It’s hard to follow why you wouldn’t want to poke at me or JV or Italiano?

Is it because you’re scum with Titus?

Like, be my guest clearing that out, I won't cry over a Titus or JV elim. It feels redundant to explain indifference. I'll throw my pokes in if someone in there gives me a reason I care enough about to, cuz rn I'd feel like dart throwing.

And why aren’t you trying to resolve that indifference? The whole point of being town is scumhunting.

Why aren’t you doing more to make it not dart throwing? Asking questions or examining relationships?

Poking me as I am in the hood, asking Italiano things?

How do you scumhunt? Do you have a town game?

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I wish you were in the hood Carca because I really, really think you’re scum.

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This is town you. You say not to point out crumbs

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Continuing on its 7/10 * 6/9 * 5/8 * 4/7 = approx 16.666%

16% for picking 4 people and they all end up Town. What relevance is this particularly, I fail to see what you're trying to portray.

If you follow the prior conversation I found it suspicious Carca wasn’t pushing in the hood. The odds are overwhelming that there is at least one scum in the hood. I could be wrong about Titus specifically (I doubt it) but Carca not wanting to poke in the hood feels fishy. The previously presented math was flawed and annoyed me so I corrected it.

Won't fight math with the math person. I'm not allergic to the hood, I just don't feel particularly driven to nuke it. Frankly I completely forgot JV was a part of it.

Given the narrow scope of > 80% odds of a scum in the hood I would rather elim in the hood and jail outside of it.

We either hit scum and likely temporarily soft clear some players or we hit town and then can use these results towards finding the scum in the hood.

It’s hard to follow why you wouldn’t want to poke at me or JV or Italiano?

Is it because you’re scum with Titus?

Like, be my guest clearing that out, I won't cry over a Titus or JV elim. It feels redundant to explain indifference. I'll throw my pokes in if someone in there gives me a reason I care enough about to, cuz rn I'd feel like dart throwing.

And why aren’t you trying to resolve that indifference? The whole point of being town is scumhunting.

Why aren’t you doing more to make it not dart throwing? Asking questions or examining relationships?

Poking me as I am in the hood, asking Italiano things?

How do you scumhunt? Do you have a town game?

My meta is approx 3 years old, gl finding anything in there. But, from what I remember, I've never been a big poker. More of a thoughtpuker.

That, and I've had my focus on other dynamics. The fact that the hood had like 4 lurkers made it real easy to forget about lmao. I don't think anyone else besides you has brought it up like this, at least for a while.

I am not the first person in the game to discuss scum in the hood wth?

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Spoiler:

So, we went from

VC1.9
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
MonkeyMan576 (2): Andresvmb, Roden
Andresvmb (2): Crescent, Dwlee99
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Titus (1): Scorpious
geraintm (1): Uncle Vanya

to VC10

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Crescent, Roden
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
ItalianoVD (2): Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576

addition of Italiano and Crescent to the MM wagon

then next was Dwlee

VC12

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly
Dwlee99 (3): Meuh, Gamma Emerald, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): Scorpious

Crescent and Roden gone, replaced by Carcalily

and the final was

MonkeyMan576 (7): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly, Crescent, Scorpious, Uncle Vanya, Gamma Emerald HAMMERED
Dwlee99 (2): Meuh, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (1): Titus
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): MonkeyMan576

Only VC today is

Votecount 2.1

Endless Migration (2009) - HotAirRaccoon

Scorpious

(3): Carcalilly, Gamma Emerald, Titus

Uncle Vanya

(1): Meuh

Not Voting

(7): FugitiveMoose, ItalianoVD, geraintm, Scorpious, Crescent, Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning

with the overlap between the Scorpious push and yesterday being Carcalily and the Gamme hammer

while the deadline is close, id rather see what MM has to say, and for an official votecount before placing my vote anywhere.

I'm sure you will

VOTE: monkey

So, i am deeply suspicious of Carcalily, their vote on Scorpious today is...?

I vote for people I want dead. Simple.

Who do you want dead Carcalily?

[Scorp, Geraint, JV] is my pool at this moment in time.

Question to everyone:

Who would you jail tonight if you were me?

Italiano / Crescent

If I am right and Carca is scum then, scum wouldn’t want buddies jailed, so outside the hood is

Scorpio, G, Italiano, Crescent, Carca, Gamma, Dwlee.

Gamma is town
Scorpious is town by claim and Carca’s bad push.
G is in the scum pool, so possible
Crescent Carca wants jailed so unlikely scum partner.
Dwlee is possible scum partner

So Titus/Dwlee/Carca or Titus/G/Carca looks really likely.

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I wish you were in the hood Carca because I really, really think you’re scum.

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This is town you. You say not to point out crumbs

Damn I have no memory of that game
Town clearly sucked tho looking at the op lol

I don’t either I just looked at the first post, saw it was different and they didn’t poke Roden for the same shit.

So I was hoping they had something else, because they seem really unhelpful which if Carca is scum further reinforces scum in hood but my guess is they don’t want to spew.

My kingdom for a vig.

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I’m going to sit back and watch this build up to get a better feel, before my next trick.

Just be careful here scum. Just a friendly warning..

Just cut the bullshit and claim your PR. You softed way too loudly for scum to actually jump on you at this point.

VOTE: Andres

Where’s your push on Roden for pushing Scorpious to claim? Where’s your similar critique?

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I'm really struggling to understand what you're trying to say scorp. What purpose does cryptic posts serve?

No you fished Scorpious.

C’mon.

And look more fence sitting.

Move off the damn fence.

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I'm really struggling to understand what you're trying to say scorp. What purpose does cryptic posts serve?

No you fished Scorpious.

C’mon.

And look more fence sitting.

Move off the damn fence.

Or, asking for elaboration /w benefit of doubt. Which was really needed with that dumpsterfire of posts.

Yes these posts were. I am demonstrating you’re incapable of hunting. You can’t get off the fence or make an effort to as it’s spew. I am going to let the thread breathe though.

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Oh Monkey was elimmed and flipped town?

VOTE: Titus

Good place to start.

Likely Roden was killed for TRing Titus or null kill.

I wanna see Titus change my mind.

never guess a reason for the night kill - it will always be wrong,

Except when I have a track record of usually being right on the nightkill target and why.

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Question to everyone:

Who would you jail tonight if you were me?

Italiano / Crescent

So you’d jail excusively probably town in your eyes?

Damn this is a race for who is scummiest between you and Titus.

Lmao. This is literally the last game over again. I kinda get why you feel like this.

Last game I played with you I was right on my reads and my mistake was cooperating and should have just went for you and Galron. If you’re saying this is last game all over again then you were scum last game?

I am not mason and I was right last game when there was scum in the hood.

Take a leap of faith where > 80% odds of scum existing. Who would it be if probability is correct and a scum exists in the hood?

I have zero interest in Scorpious after you sheep your scumread.

[MathBlade]

ItalianoVD - old Andres. Andres I had a huge problem with. Italino is a bit better. Still feel better than I did before. Lean tiwn.
geraintm - Goal to reread to sort.
Gamma Emerald - problem with the hammer. Better today. Goal to sort.
Meuh - Strong town. Leader in producing content.
Scorpious - Obvious Scum.
Mathblade - Strong town lean. It would solifidy if I saw some scumhunting not contingent upon scum in hood.
Titus - me
Uncle Vanya - Was strong town because sole activity in hood. Dipped now bc low activity. Worried they took advantage.
Crescent - I don't remember them.
Dwlee99 - Strong town. Solid analysis.
Carcalilly - I felt strong town yesterday. Don't like fencesitting. Math is right there.

Italiano obvTown from the hood.
G in the PoE
Gamma if you all don’t see this is Gamma town I have faith that you’ll eventually see there’s no smoke behind any of the pushes and they are all bad. Gamma is very likely town like almost no case could convince me otherwise and anyone pushing them short of an IC I will push back on.
Meuh null read and could be scum but considering the TRs I am okay leaving them alone for a bit.
Scorpious lmao lynchbait. Like almost my entire PoE is there versus talking about scum in the hood.
Me the towniest town to ever town. I should say it twice. The Towniest town to ever town.
Titus isn’t even trying I am Uncle Vanya. ObvScum. Completely ignored JV in her readwall
Crescent read being null is the only thing I agree on.
Dwlee Solid analysis? They didn’t even notice you forgot a player. Puhlease.

Titus or Dwlee or Carca should be the elim but I strongly prefer Titus.
Do NOT elim Scorpious at ALL

I have to work.

And we should be elimming in the hood today.

[MathBlade]

Dwlee thoughts on my readwall? What do you agree with? What do you disagree with?

This is so fake.

[MathBlade]

Mathblade replaces Uncle Vanya

Like c’mon sis.

[MathBlade]

In the short version, Math musinderstands my position. It is possible the hood is all town. It should be treated as such until evidence is shown otherwise.

Math's tone matches our last game.

Nope. Nope absolutely nope.

> 80% odds a scum exists for a person outside the hood.

Inside the hood it’s slightly different but def higher than rand.

[MathBlade]

In the short version, Math musinderstands my position. It is possible the hood is all town. It should be treated as such until evidence is shown otherwise.

Math's tone matches our last game.

Nope. Nope absolutely nope.

> 80% odds a scum exists for a person outside the hood.

Inside the hood it’s slightly different but def higher than rand.

I don't setup spec. Most players are town. Even in the hood, it's likely at least 50% is town.

Don’t make my cry with bad math.

An individual player has certain odds of being town.

A collective group of 4 (if you’re not in it) has a less than 20% chance of all town.

It would be slightly higher if town and in the hood but c’mon now.

Odds that low it’s where I am looking.

[MathBlade]

Mathblade replaces Uncle Vanya

Like c’mon sis.

I'm sorry. I legit haven't been feeling well. My reads on the slots are true. There's no positive as either alignment to screw up that badly.

What do you make of Dwlee not calling you out on it?

[MathBlade]

And it’s really rich you don’t setup spec yet your entire argument for Scorpious scum is the spec/bad PR. Like no.

[MathBlade]

Mathblade replaces Uncle Vanya

Like c’mon sis.

I'm sorry. I legit haven't been feeling well. My reads on the slots are true. There's no positive as either alignment to screw up that badly.

What do you make of Dwlee not calling you out on it?

Didn't read/notice/analyze his response yet but that's not good.

And they followed you on Scorpious.

Your wagon is bad.

Back off.

If you really still think Scorpious is scum partner hunt.

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ItalianoVD - old Andres. Andres I had a huge problem with. Italino is a bit better. Still feel better than I did before. Lean tiwn.
geraintm - Goal to reread to sort.
Gamma Emerald - problem with the hammer. Better today. Goal to sort.
Meuh - Strong town. Leader in producing content.
Scorpious - Obvious Scum.
Mathblade - Strong town lean. It would solifidy if I saw some scumhunting not contingent upon scum in hood.
Titus - me
Uncle Vanya - Was strong town because sole activity in hood. Dipped now bc low activity. Worried they took advantage.
Crescent - I don't remember them.
Dwlee99 - Strong town. Solid analysis.
Carcalilly - I felt strong town yesterday. Don't like fencesitting. Math is right there.

Italiano obvTown from the hood.
G in the PoE
Gamma if you all don’t see this is Gamma town I have faith that you’ll eventually see there’s no smoke behind any of the pushes and they are all bad. Gamma is very likely town like almost no case could convince me otherwise and anyone pushing them short of an IC I will push back on.
Meuh null read and could be scum but considering the TRs I am okay leaving them alone for a bit.
Scorpious lmao lynchbait. Like almost my entire PoE is there versus talking about scum in the hood.
Me the towniest town to ever town. I should say it twice. The Towniest town to ever town.
Titus isn’t even trying I am Uncle Vanya. ObvScum. Completely ignored JV in her readwall
Crescent read being null is the only thing I agree on.
Dwlee Solid analysis? They didn’t even notice you forgot a player. Puhlease.

Titus or Dwlee or Carca should be the elim but I strongly prefer Titus.
Do NOT elim Scorpious at ALL

I have to work.

And we should be elimming in the hood today.

Enlighten me on what makes you TR Gamma and Scorp?

As I said earlier Gamma doesn’t make that hammer as scum. Claims Gamma would are false.

I don’t see scum!Scorpious coming up with a claim strategy like that with tons of ways that could backfire as scum.

[MathBlade]

If you really still think Scorpious is scum partner hunt.

This is good if Scorpious wagon dies.

Cool it died 4 pages ago. Quit reviving it if you’re town.

[MathBlade]

Math has already gone over his TR on me pretty substantially
Feels like there’s ulterior motive to that question Carcalilly

Most of it has been metagaming. Idk how many games y'all have played with eachother but I'd prefer this game specifically reasons, so ones I'd actually understand.

That hammer is so scummy scum never does it.

Scorpious’s play is something scum doesn’t do.

My reasons have been in this game.

[MathBlade]

Math has already gone over his TR on me pretty substantially
Feels like there’s ulterior motive to that question Carcalilly

Most of it has been metagaming. Idk how many games y'all have played with eachother but I'd prefer this game specifically reasons, so ones I'd actually understand.

That hammer is so scummy scum never does it.

Scorpious’s play is something scum doesn’t do.

My reasons have been in this game.

That's two players you're stating are too scummy to be scum....maybe they're just scum?

Nope. I will die before them.

You can try to wagon me and see how far you get.

Those wagons are dead.

[MathBlade]

As I said earlier Gamma doesn’t make that hammer as scum. Claims Gamma would are false.

I don’t see scum!Scorpious coming up with a claim strategy like that with tons of ways that could backfire as scum.

Was it the fact that it was a D1 hammer, or is it the way he did it? Like, does he just not hammer in general as scum? Because iirc the MM wagon was way past it's end at that point, it was the last day or two and everyone was expecting it so it wasn't that big of a deal imo.

The highest point of strategy in scorp's claim was the "crumb". The rest of it was a mess. The whole disparity of saying they've never crumbed on this site makes me believe they wouldn't do it as town or scum.

Town!scorp narrative would be they crumbed purposefully for the very first time this game, probably with intention to use it when claiming, screwing up the softclaim for ??? reason, survives a NK and only then finally decided to use the crumb placed.
Scum!scorp narrative would be scrambling to imply TPR to save from the pressure, then fake the crumb with first letters of completely arbitrarily numbered posts. Like if it was every xth post I would have no doubts it wasn't just convenience.

I'm low-key occam's razoring this.

Scum scorp if fake claiming woulda likely been guiltied by now.

I very highly doubt this is Scorpious scum. Considering the fact you sheeped gamma a scumread onto the wagon. Dwlee sheeped your bad/fake reads and Dwlee is good enough to call out you missed a player and that’s like the whole wagon.

Carca isn’t even with you but is saying things like Occam’s razor when the simplest explanation is Gamma hammered because Gamma thought it was right and the time and Scorpious is just bad town.

If you need that many words it’s not Occam’s razor.

[MathBlade]

Math has already gone over his TR on me pretty substantially
Feels like there’s ulterior motive to that question Carcalilly

Most of it has been metagaming. Idk how many games y'all have played with eachother but I'd prefer this game specifically reasons, so ones I'd actually understand.

That hammer is so scummy scum never does it.

Scorpious’s play is something scum doesn’t do.

My reasons have been in this game.

Maybe I'm stupid but I don't get why you find the hammer scummy. Because if it was THAT scummy I wouldn't expect you to be the first one to call it out. Like I can't remember anyone else calling it out like that.

Iirc Titus did in the hood.

It was definitely called out.

There’s no way Gamma does that hammer as scum. Like they’re lock town to me.

[MathBlade]

Math has already gone over his TR on me pretty substantially
Feels like there’s ulterior motive to that question Carcalilly

Most of it has been metagaming. Idk how many games y'all have played with eachother but I'd prefer this game specifically reasons, so ones I'd actually understand.

That hammer is so scummy scum never does it.

Scorpious’s play is something scum doesn’t do.

My reasons have been in this game.

That's two players you're stating are too scummy to be scum....maybe they're just scum?

Nope. I will die before them.

You can try to wagon me and see how far you get.

Those wagons are dead.

Why would I wagon you? I don't think you're scum. A bully but not scum. Note Gamma voting me right after I called him out.

Yep I see it.

Gamma Italiano JV Scorpio me town block let’s gooooo!

[MathBlade]

You see Titus/Carca/Dwlee Gamma?

Titus just goes “it’s bad” on Dwlee and doesn’t want to cooperate and go for Dwlee?

Like c’mon. There’s no way Dwlee should be strong town.

[MathBlade]

You’re never going to convince me on Gamma or Scorpious. I will fight you tooth and nail.

You can either hunt elsewhere (ideally in the hood) or I have zero problem flipping you to help solve the hood.

[MathBlade]

Correct. If I was a PR that could investigate Scorpious (I am in a hood this is purely a hypothetical) I would check where I could verify. Considering no one says Scorpious is town I would bet someone (read not me) has an inno and the wagon is scum driven.

And tell it to the people who scumread Gamma. I see nothing meriting a scumread. The one claim the hammer has been debunked. Move on.

[MathBlade]

Dwlee is an enby. So if Dwlee is scum not all girl team. Please don’t misgender them even though I think they’re scum.

[MathBlade]

JV Scorpio is leashed. Scum doing that in a normal is suicide because they get leashed.

[MathBlade]

Correct. If I was a PR that could investigate Scorpious (I am in a hood this is purely a hypothetical) I would check where I could verify. Considering no one says Scorpious is town I would bet someone (read not me) has an inno and the wagon is scum driven.

And tell it to the people who scumread Gamma. I see nothing meriting a scumread. The one claim the hammer has been debunked. Move on.

I don't understand how you derive someone having an inno from no one saying scorptown. I'd expect the opposite.

Noone is saying scorp is town?

I am. I am getting an inno on scorp from no one saying there’s a guilty.

[MathBlade]

Correct. If I was a PR that could investigate Scorpious (I am in a hood this is purely a hypothetical) I would check where I could verify. Considering no one says Scorpious is town I would bet someone (read not me) has an inno and the wagon is scum driven.

And tell it to the people who scumread Gamma. I see nothing meriting a scumread. The one claim the hammer has been debunked. Move on.

I don't understand how you derive someone having an inno from no one saying scorptown. I'd expect the opposite.

Noone is saying scorp is town?

Not me who said it. Read what I was responding to.

Considering no one says Scorpious is town I would bet someone (read not me) has an inno and the wagon is scum driven.

I don't understand this deduction.

No one other than me at the time of posting.

No one defending Scorp means probably town.

Scum make a ton of noise when I say look in hood and they don’t.

Scum would be hella nice to me if scum wasn’t in that hood and go “Hey JV Hey Italiano what’s shaking it’s sus you’re quiet” and nada

So scum is in that hood. And more than likely Titus.

[MathBlade]

So Titus is pissed at me in the hood. What’s new? Lmao.

[MathBlade]

Titus if you’re town let go. Scorpious can happen later if you’re right. I just don’t think you are. You’re just blatantly not seeing the signs in front of you. Scorpious is town.

[MathBlade]

Titus if you’re town let go. Scorpious can happen later if you’re right. I just don’t think you are. You’re just blatantly not seeing the signs in front of you. Scorpious is town.

Alright. Looks like I have to explain why you need to sit down and shut up. I am a combined doctor and neighbor.

My plan all along has been to use the hood as a method to find the entire scumteam without outing being a doctor or being perceived as a threat.

We had a Scorpious elimination when activity was reasonable so I wouldn't have to out. However you gave scum a place to hide, turn around his wagon and stop me from playing my game.

All for a scumfuck who telegraphed a weak protective claim he planned bc he knows he gets caught as scum.

Duck you.

Your turn to shit down shut up and die.

Combined two shot gunsmith with an inno on Gamma.

My vote doesn’t move.

[MathBlade]

I believed Scorpio’s claim over yours because Scorpio is designed for me to scumread him.

You’re designed to be a false inno.

[MathBlade]

Why are people randomly claiming powers what the hell did I miss?

You missed Titus being salty she can’t have her pet miselim.

I keep saying no so she tried claims doctor which is a scum claim considering I am gunsmith.

[MathBlade]

Hi! Just got off work and catching up. Gonna see if there’s a smoke trail I can sense as much as my two nostrils can sniff.

Anyone got any suggestions where to look first?

Smoke trail…Smoking gun.

Two nostrils two shot.

Gamma has no smoke.

Told you I never go Gamma.

Now with you claiming doctor that’s as hard an inno as you get.

[MathBlade]

Scorpious is likely town because I am a gunsmith.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler:

So, we went from

VC1.9
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
MonkeyMan576 (2): Andresvmb, Roden
Andresvmb (2): Crescent, Dwlee99
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Titus (1): Scorpious
geraintm (1): Uncle Vanya

to VC10

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Crescent, Roden
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
ItalianoVD (2): Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576

addition of Italiano and Crescent to the MM wagon

then next was Dwlee

VC12

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly
Dwlee99 (3): Meuh, Gamma Emerald, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): Scorpious

Crescent and Roden gone, replaced by Carcalily

and the final was

MonkeyMan576 (7): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly, Crescent, Scorpious, Uncle Vanya, Gamma Emerald HAMMERED
Dwlee99 (2): Meuh, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (1): Titus
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): MonkeyMan576

Only VC today is

Votecount 2.1

Endless Migration (2009) - HotAirRaccoon

Scorpious

(3): Carcalilly, Gamma Emerald, Titus

Uncle Vanya

(1): Meuh

Not Voting

(7): FugitiveMoose, ItalianoVD, geraintm, Scorpious, Crescent, Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning

with the overlap between the Scorpious push and yesterday being Carcalily and the Gamme hammer

while the deadline is close, id rather see what MM has to say, and for an official votecount before placing my vote anywhere.

I'm sure you will

VOTE: monkey

So, i am deeply suspicious of Carcalily, their vote on Scorpious today is...?

I vote for people I want dead. Simple.

Who do you want dead Carcalily?

[Scorp, Geraint, JV] is my pool at this moment in time.

Question to everyone:

Who would you jail tonight if you were me?

Italiano / Crescent

If I am right and Carca is scum then, scum wouldn’t want buddies jailed, so outside the hood is

Scorpio, G, Italiano, Crescent, Carca, Gamma, Dwlee.

Gamma is town
Scorpious is town by claim and Carca’s bad push.
G is in the scum pool, so possible
Crescent Carca wants jailed so unlikely scum partner.
Dwlee is possible scum partner

So Titus/Dwlee/Carca or Titus/G/Carca looks really likely.

There was a reason for that I was gonna check you.

I was hoping by being loud this wouldn’t be necessary and scum thought my loud VT and not a PR.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: scorpious
yeah I'm thinking this is scum

What changed?

consideration of the nightkill kicked in
there was no real objective to that kill, dwlee posited it could have been PR hunting but in that case why not shoot the softclaim that I don't think anyone really trusted enough to protect?

This is a good question.

Assume Gamma is town, (which considering the hammer I think almost everyone should consider Gamma town), then if Gamma noticed a soft claim PR somewhere D1, why is that PR claim not dead?

Me claiming my result Gamma doesn’t have a gun

I do it a few more times if anyone cares

[MathBlade]

Why does a Gunsmith claim make a JK more likely than a Doctor?

Though this reminds me... I asked this before and didn't really get an answer: How common are scum RBs here? I've had one in like 95% of the games I've played.

Fake guilty to nerf town power and fake inno to swing for scum

Titus knew she died without it and wanted Scorpious dead
I knew I likely don’t get off another check
She decided to out to get utility.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: scorpious
yeah I'm thinking this is scum

What changed?

consideration of the nightkill kicked in
there was no real objective to that kill, dwlee posited it could have been PR hunting but in that case why not shoot the softclaim that I don't think anyone really trusted enough to protect?

This is a good question.

Assume Gamma is town, (which considering the hammer I think almost everyone should consider Gamma town), then if Gamma noticed a soft claim PR somewhere D1, why is that PR claim not dead?

Roden noticed it first and publicly outed it
Also I’m curious why that hammer makes me town.

I don’t see scum!you making that hammer. You’re more reserved as scum so I don’t think you as scum do something so blatant. I mean there is the off chance you wanted to heal your meta but I don’t see scum you taking that shot or really even having the capability to.

Read this as “there’s an off chance you’re a doctor but I don’t see that”.

So gamma lock town based on Titus doc claim.

Your welcome.

[MathBlade]

Why does a Gunsmith claim make a JK more likely than a Doctor?

Though this reminds me... I asked this before and didn't really get an answer: How common are scum RBs here? I've had one in like 95% of the games I've played.

Fake guilty to nerf town power and fake inno to swing for scum

Titus knew she died without it and wanted Scorpious dead
I knew I likely don’t get off another check
She decided to out to get utility.

JK isn't a guilty to GS?

All scum have guns
All JKs have guns
Gunsmith says guns
Ergo fake guilty this was from our last game JV

[MathBlade]

Jail keepers have guns. It’s been a long standing rule

The wiki is out of date

[MathBlade]

There was a reason for that I was gonna check you.

I was hoping by being loud this wouldn’t be necessary and scum thought my loud VT and not a PR.

...you purposely omitted me and said Italiano was non-hood because you were gonna check me?
also you aren't always this loud?

I'm perplexed

Yes I omitted you because I was going to check you which made sorting you pointless.

I am always this loud but I was being more so in expectation throwing off scum I am VT.

[MathBlade]

Jail keepers have guns. It’s been a long standing rule

The wiki is out of date

The wiki requires updating then. It's like the go to place for normal rules outside of directly asking a moderator which is slow at best.

Either the wiki needs updating or I am out of the loop where JKs don’t have guns anymore. But they did earlier. Hence my tr on Scorpious.

I really think Titus is scum here.

[MathBlade]

Math not bringing that the doc can be on them either means that Math isn't scum or they both are.

This makes no sense.

I don’t trust Titus. The last thing I want is her being responsible for my protection.

I have pretty much accepted I won’t get another check and will die.

If Titus is town and two protectives exist, then a strongman exists and I die.
If Titus or Scorpio is scum but not the other then I still die.

It’s a I die scenario and I think Titus is scum.

[MathBlade]

Gamma should be protected as Inno by Scorpious since I doubt they are a PR or hero shot.

Do not block me in case I get a result.

Titus (if not the elim as I think they should be) should be on me. (I think she should be the elim) JV is right in that regard.

Then this way if I die then a scum in Scorpious/Titus is proven to exist and go to town after I die

If I don’t then I get a check which may or may not be on Meuh or my original pool.

Since one doc claim out I am essentially a cop

[MathBlade]

It’s Titus.

She’s the ultimate scum.

I do not trust her.

[MathBlade]

If we don’t do her I want Carca or Dwlee.

Meuh was a widely townread player who can be checked or sorted later

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Carca

Fine. I still disagree on no harm but I am that paranoid of her.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Carcalilly
I wanna test a component of math's solve this day phase
I'm fairly sure he's town regardless tbc

Thank you. I really think there’s scum in the hood and Titus is probably it. In some weird world it’s not her it’s JV + strongman. I just can’t shake Titus scum here. That push on Scorpious was so bad.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Carcalilly
I wanna test a component of math's solve this day phase
I'm fairly sure he's town regardless tbc

Thank you. I really think there’s scum in the hood and Titus is probably it. In some weird world it’s not her it’s JV + strongman. I just can’t shake Titus scum here. That push on Scorpious was so bad.

Feel free to check me if wanna remove that possibility :p

I will figure it out tonight.

[MathBlade]

Agreed Carca or Dwlee or G are way better elims.

[MathBlade]

Jesus christ. Nah.

VOTE: Scorpious

I believe Titus more than Scorp.

Lol this is so bad.

No we’re not elimming Scorpious

We’re not elimming Titus.

This is so bad.

Scorpious on Gamma
Titus on me

We see what happens.

[MathBlade]

Wait no.
VOTE: Meuh

I think that scum woulda discussed it, and I doubt scum would ask to full ass defend a buddy here with this much conviction.

I think it depends on a few things. I think Carca’s more likely scum based on prior posts or not necessarily defending Titus but they don’t like the dilemma.

[MathBlade]

Math is absolutely right by the way. As much as I personally hate letting situations like this go relatively unresolved, it's only day 2 and we should not be killing either of them.

Don’t get me wrong I hate the fact we aren’t elimming Titus here.

If I was scum I just ram her through. But JV is right it’s better for us not to elim her right now.

[MathBlade]

Math is absolutely right by the way. As much as I personally hate letting situations like this go relatively unresolved, it's only day 2 and we should not be killing either of them.

Math is right??? I was the one that had to convince them.

Yeah he calmed me down from rage Math

[MathBlade]

Math is absolutely right by the way. As much as I personally hate letting situations like this go relatively unresolved, it's only day 2 and we should not be killing either of them.

Math is right??? I was the one that had to convince them.

Yeah he calmed me down from rage Math

Now, if only he could get you to actually vote scum. Oh wait that violates any pride.

can you not be a bitch to math for one fucking game?

While I agree with the sentiment it’s not helpful and destructive.

I am intentionally gonna be quiet and Unvote.

VOTE: Unvote

If I agree with a wagon on E-1 I will hammer it.

We will not do Gamma,Titus,Scorpious,or me.

[MathBlade]

Gerain should be the lim in my humble opinion and I'm unsure why they've been let off the hook

Whoever doesn't kiss Math's ass is scum, didn't you hear?

JV didn’t kiss my ass and I townread him.

Titus calm down please an analyze the gamestate.

Who do you think is scum (besides or excluding Scorpious)?

[MathBlade]

The more I read of the present posts, the more concerned I am with what those pages I missed look like...

You should read them.

[MathBlade]

Gerain should be the lim in my humble opinion and I'm unsure why they've been let off the hook

Whoever doesn't kiss Math's ass is scum, didn't you hear?

JV didn’t kiss my ass and I townread him.

Titus calm down please an analyze the gamestate.

Who do you think is scum (besides or excluding Scorpious)?

JV because you are wrong. He immediately followed all of your wrong reads.

Now we are getting somewhere.

Which of my reads did JV follow me on that you feel are wrong?

[MathBlade]

Can he not always dismiss me or call me scum for one game? I was extremely respectful the last game we played. I'm done with being insulted.

I feel like he was being alright in 2238 but you treated him like crap that game
also, I think with the context of his check on me his approach to you seems way more sensible then you're willing to give him credit for. you soft pushed his gunsmith inno for a good chunk of today. Me and math just had a game where I kinda tripped scum!him up by allowing him to dig his own grave pushing my traffic analyst inno.

I'm too angry to discuss this rationally but I never treat Math like crap, but have moved to policy eliminate him because he is frequently wrong and bad.

If you’re too angry to discuss this rationally please move elsewhere.

You have Scorpious scum locked
Carca and Dwlee town locked
The hood town locked

This means your PoE is tiny yeah?

Talk there please. That PoE is where we can see who responds to what.

[MathBlade]

What did mathblade's claim have to do with scorpious at all? And I really don't think jailkeeper has gun to gunsmith but I'm gonna double check

Jailkeeper has had a gun before. It used to. Hence me thinking Scorpious town.

Iirc it came up in the mini normal that I was in with DkKoba recently and they are the mod.

[MathBlade]

Can he not always dismiss me or call me scum for one game? I was extremely respectful the last game we played. I'm done with being insulted.

I feel like he was being alright in 2238 but you treated him like crap that game
also, I think with the context of his check on me his approach to you seems way more sensible then you're willing to give him credit for. you soft pushed his gunsmith inno for a good chunk of today. Me and math just had a game where I kinda tripped scum!him up by allowing him to dig his own grave pushing my traffic analyst inno.

I'm too angry to discuss this rationally but I never treat Math like crap, but have moved to policy eliminate him because he is frequently wrong and bad.

If you’re too angry to discuss this rationally please move elsewhere.

You have Scorpious scum locked
Carca and Dwlee town locked
The hood town locked

This means your PoE is tiny yeah?

Talk there please. That PoE is where we can see who responds to what.

titus doesn't have the hood townlocked, because JV is hood and titus thinks he's scum

She screamed masonry every few minutes and the JV scumread seems anger fueled whatever her alignment versus an actual read.

[MathBlade]

vengeful should investigate positive to gunsmith, yes? if so that should be on the gunsmith wiki page. question is raised as well for detective, alien (ray gun pew pew), traffic analyst (idk?), babysitter (i..... dont suppose they are shooting the baby but they can kill), informed (what if the word "gun" is in the information? :0 :O :0 )

also raises the question as to whether vengeful and babysitter give positive results to psychologist.

Vengeful and detective both should have guns definitely; babysitter, if I understand the role, should as well; alien would only have one if jailkeepers did but we decided a long time ago that jailkeepers don't, so aliens don't; informed definitely doesn't; no clue on traffic analyst.

Last time mentioned in normal guidelines is Mastina saying jailkeeper doesn't get gun

It used to. #oldDudeProblems

[MathBlade]

does anyone have a meta analysis on how JV plays scum/town? I think he might be a decent elimination but I want to be sure about it

I don’t think so.

Unless JV is scum with Titus I don’t see the benefit in JV defending Titus.

I will keep what you said under advisement

[MathBlade]

As I said earlier Gamma doesn’t make that hammer as scum. Claims Gamma would are false.

I don’t see scum!Scorpious coming up with a claim strategy like that with tons of ways that could backfire as scum.

Was it the fact that it was a D1 hammer, or is it the way he did it? Like, does he just not hammer in general as scum? Because iirc the MM wagon was way past it's end at that point, it was the last day or two and everyone was expecting it so it wasn't that big of a deal imo.

The highest point of strategy in scorp's claim was the "crumb". The rest of it was a mess. The whole disparity of saying they've never crumbed on this site makes me believe they wouldn't do it as town or scum.

Town!scorp narrative would be they crumbed purposefully for the very first time this game, probably with intention to use it when claiming, screwing up the softclaim for ??? reason, survives a NK and only then finally decided to use the crumb placed.
Scum!scorp narrative would be scrambling to imply TPR to save from the pressure, then fake the crumb with first letters of completely arbitrarily numbered posts. Like if it was every xth post I would have no doubts it wasn't just convenience.

I'm low-key occam's razoring this.

Scum scorp if fake claiming woulda likely been guiltied by now.

I very highly doubt this is Scorpious scum. Considering the fact you sheeped gamma a scumread onto the wagon. Dwlee sheeped your bad/fake reads and Dwlee is good enough to call out you missed a player and that’s like the whole wagon.

Carca isn’t even with you but is saying things like Occam’s razor when the simplest explanation is Gamma hammered because Gamma thought it was right and the time and Scorpious is just bad town.

If you need that many words it’s not Occam’s razor.

Guilty'd? Like investigated?

Dwlee and I didn't "sheep" anyone. I think the thread has it clear that we both had our own motives. I even voted before gamma, so either I'm completely misinterpreting what you're saying, or you have the entire narrative wrong.

I'm pretty damn sure it can be played either way. Gamma hammered because the day was over, sure. I fail to see how it's as AI as you make it out to be. Scorpious is flailing scum. Every step can be adequately justified as such. Does "bad town" justify the crumb/softclaim progression? Maybe, but way less imo.

Like, call me a straight up idiot here if I am, but when you do just please explain to me how the hell do you be THIS sure of a town!scorp??

Because even if JK doesn’t have a gun, me being two shot makes more sense with JK rather than doc.
Penalizes early claims for getting one result than two.

It makes way more sense Scorpious is crumbing early than scum.

You’re putting in a lot of emotion for what is simple.

[MathBlade]

What condescension.

Their argument is that it’s simple.
I disagreed with a simple argument.

There is no implied condescension of any kind. I just don’t find it the simplest answer.

[MathBlade]

Wait what does the combined part do math

Nothing. I think they just mean they're both.

Correct this.

[MathBlade]

But scorp shouldn't have known there was a gunsmith, right? If JK is a fakeclaim for a mafia RB then the doctor/GS makes perfect sense to me.

I don’t see it as a fake claim for mafia.

I agree for scum to have a preplanned fake claim they’d need some odds it’s safe.

Therefore it’s likely a true claim and Scorpious likely town.

[MathBlade]

Aight so it calmed down a bit and I’m fairly caught up for the most part. There’s a lot to fully unpack in these past 8 pages, but some of the things were already answered so I’m obviously not gonna be redundant.

Oh yeah and I agree with 1421.

If you wanna substitute myself for Gamma to get jailed just in case that’s also cool. I’m gonna go back and get to what I missed.

Nah I think you’re town but I am 99% sure Gamma is so I would rather Gamma jailed sorry.

[MathBlade]

Cough cough check the hood please

[MathBlade]

Votecount 2.3

Line Rider Beta 2 (2006) - fsk

Scorpious

(3): Titus, Dwlee99, Carcalilly

geraintm

(1): Meuh

Carcalilly

(1): Gamma Emerald

Meuh

(1): JacksonVirgo

Not Voting

(5): Scorpious, geraintm, Crescent, ItalianoVD, MathBlade
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning
Crescent V/LA this week

We’re not doing Scorpious people. Pick your number two if you really think he is.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 2.3

Line Rider Beta 2 (2006) - fsk

Scorpious

(3): Titus, Dwlee99, Carcalilly

geraintm

(1): Meuh

Carcalilly

(1): Gamma Emerald

Meuh

(1): JacksonVirgo

Not Voting

(5): Scorpious, geraintm, Crescent, ItalianoVD, MathBlade
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning
Crescent V/LA this week

We’re not doing Scorpious people. Pick your number two if you really think he is.

Can it be that simple? 2 of my sr’s are on me.. carc just wants to be a cool kid.

Maybe.

I want to see everyone consolidate somewhere. We aren’t doing Titus so please vote somewhere.

[MathBlade]

Of Dwlee and Titus , Titus is a more dangerous and influential scum. But you’re the only one I’m really trusting.
And by virtue of that Gamma is good with me too.

VOTE: Dwlee

Math. You’re blocced for me. gamma tonight?

Pedit- I was going to vote Titus

Please protect gamma.

Titus will doc me.

[MathBlade]

If Scorpious ever attempted to vote scum maybe I could see him being town

How about you don't shade them.

Too late

Are you like gonna vote somewhere else? Scorpious wagon is dead.

[MathBlade]

It is.

Scorpious protects Gamma
Titus protects me.

That’s been long decided mech spec here.

This ensures conf town goes into tomorrow.

If you think Scorpious is scum push them later.

It’s not happening today.

[MathBlade]

I still don't understand what your claim is

Two shot gunsmith neighbor with a inno on Gamma.

[MathBlade]

It is.

Scorpious protects Gamma
Titus protects me.

That’s been long decided mech spec here.

This ensures conf town goes into tomorrow.

If you think Scorpious is scum push them later.

It’s not happening today.

If scum have a roleblocker or strongman this also just isn't true

It’s possible they might have these things

But considering how hard people are pushing Scorpious it’s a safe bet more than likely they don’t.

[MathBlade]

Who are the people pushing scorpious? If they're town your theory is completely bunk and actually suggests scorpious is a scum PR

You Titus and Carca

You’re pretty much my scum PoE

All three of you have refused to hunt where scum likely are
All three of you continue to push Scorpious despite all the town leaders saying Scorpious isn’t happening.

You don’t give reads otherwise
You’ve been shading lock town constantly

Gamma was/is of you and I see why.

Scorpious proving himself is protown if he is and if he isn’t we learn it.

[MathBlade]

Your continued insistence on a wagon that should not and will not happen is scummy. Scum hunt.

[MathBlade]

You're not town leader and you don't get to just declare it like that. Who other than you do you consider town leader? There isn't even or cause game was dead

Gamma is obvTown and to me locktown.

Gamma and I working together is a mechanical town block.

And yes Gamma and I together (and to a bit JV) say that’s not happening.

[MathBlade]

I literally gave reads this day and your shade on my response to Titus' reads list was blatantly wrong

??? This is just not true

My shade of you is you didn’t even read Titus’s list.

If Titus is town she owes us a well thought out decent read list.

[MathBlade]

There's enough town votes to lim scorpious even if you wanna drag your feet

No there’s not.

Me and Gamma and JV and Italiano townread Scorpious

Move on.

[MathBlade]

Dwlee Solid analysis? They didn’t even notice you forgot a player. Puhlease.

I literally did. ???

You also don't mention JV

I missed it sorry.

You’re still scummy AF for pushing Scorpious.

Move on. 4 townies have said no. Work with us not against us.

Collaborate and discuss.

Who is scum with Scorpious to you? Go there

[MathBlade]

Scorpious > Gera >> JV > anyone else for want to lim

Gera is viable but Carca is so much better

Why do you townread Carca? I don’t get it

Their posting is terrible same with Titus

[MathBlade]

Gera is way scummier than carca though imo

Why?

Carca is pushing someone who lets conf town live

That’s like almost textbook scum.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 2.3

Line Rider Beta 2 (2006) - fsk

Scorpious

(3): Titus, Dwlee99, Carcalilly

geraintm

(1): Meuh

Carcalilly

(1): Gamma Emerald

Meuh

(1): JacksonVirgo

Not Voting

(5): Scorpious, geraintm, Crescent, ItalianoVD, MathBlade
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning
Crescent V/LA this week

We have less than 48 hours and a good majority of people aren’t voting.

Do something. Scorpious isn’t happening.

Vote someone who is possible to happen people.

[MathBlade]

So yeah I think it’s pretty much been set where we’re going and what we’re doing. Multiple people (Math, myself, JV, Gera, even Carca) had already said we either weren’t eliminating Scorpious today and/or giving him a day to do what he has to do. We have leashed him to Gamma so to me anyone ending the day voting there is a scumclaim. Like Math said work with us not against us. If you’re town compromise and try to find a common ground somewhere.

If this list is accurate (plus Crescent) that’s 6 not willing to elim Scorpious. That means an elim is literally impossible. We need wagons and votes people.

[MathBlade]

Then let’s do it.

If you object to Carca give a town case or a scum case on someone else (NOT Scorpious)
Let’s get conversations moving

[MathBlade]

Then let’s do it.

If you object to Carca give a town case or a scum case on someone else (NOT Scorpious)
Let’s get conversations moving

Who are you voting for?

I am not. I said I would hammer anyone I agree with to ensure hammer happens.

[MathBlade]

I am sorry who is Lee?

[MathBlade]

I think a gerain lim is still feasible so I’m staying parked there. Will vote for anyone if it’s needed to make sure we get a hammer.

Do you TR Carca? Why is Gera better than Carca to you?

[MathBlade]

Scorpious is biggest wagon but multiple people insist it "isn't happening" sad

Yes it is. That’s why I am trying to spur people into voting.

Thank you btw.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Gera

It's cause I'm trying to get towncred by bussing Scorpious

Ok I got up and got some food into my system no more typing like I'm deranged as frayed as I am.

It's been a very perceptible shift in Lee's attitude recently from a relative nonfactor to aggressively wanting the imminent death of Scorpious and nothing else.

Anyone have any insight into the player themselves? This is the kinda thing that can go either way.

It’s wait and see. Could go either way.

[MathBlade]

Dwlee why G over Carca?

[MathBlade]

I think a gerain lim is still feasible so I’m staying parked there. Will vote for anyone if it’s needed to make sure we get a hammer.

Do you TR Carca? Why is Gera better than Carca to you?

596, 1095, 1102

I could see Carca flip either way tbh, in my eyes Carca/Jackson are probably not aligned one with the other and I’m not sure which is scum.
gerain’s simply the scummiest player in the game in my eyes

Thank you! Happy birthday!

[MathBlade]

Dwlee why G over Carca?

Gera is scummy

What’s your case on Gera?

Where is your town case on Scorpious?

My case on Scorpious elim is why he wasn’t elimmed D1. We want to evaluate the claim.

The PR actions are:
Scorpious on Gamma
You on me.
I check someone

Thoughts?

[MathBlade]

Or scum you doesn’t have those things so you’re desperate?

The responses immediately dunking on his claim show he’s town.

Scum just doesn’t do the crumb you’re talking about to me.

It’s not happening today.

Talk with me about G and Carca?

[MathBlade]

Even night jailkeeper just sounds fake y'all

Even night jailkeeper does sound like just about the easiest fake pr claim in the world

Incorrect.

Meuh felt very much like sidelining scum which is why I might check them I might not

[MathBlade]

I’ve never crumbed on this site..

Why start now?

Number two

[MathBlade]

Gotcha. I mean it could just be used as a sort of worse roleblocker if there's an investigative role or anything that scum would want blocked. Doesn't need to have a vigilante. Scorpious was actually just a 2-shot mafia jailkeeper in a recently completed Datisi mini

Do you think this could be a case of someone fake-claiming a role they've actually gotten before? (and Scorpious being mafia but not JK)
iirc that's a habit some players have, but it's more a newbie scumtell than anything else, isn't it? I wouldn't expect someone who's been here since 2015 to have that sort of habit.

Number three

Meuh says that they don’t want a Scorpious elim but was egging it on

This is typical of scum wanting to elim a PR and sus.

[MathBlade]

This is the typical soft suggestion I use as scum people typically forget so I watch for it.

[MathBlade]

I don’t think crumbing means much, generally. A Scorpious lim today still doesn’t sound ideal, though

Here’s where they suggest no Scorpious elim. Notice how it’s AFTER the claim but BEFORE they sus Scorpious. Why sus someone you won’t elim? It’s a sign of a pretty bad elim. If Titus/you are town I’d go for Meuh before I would do Scorpious.

[MathBlade]

Scorpious or his team have a roleblocker or strongman.

You die. We are in the same position.

Scum me agrees to this plan and then says I told you do.

I don’t think scum rb/strongman exist unless both you and scorp are town

This.

So today we check it. Then IF we see evidence we need to look somewhere we can.

[MathBlade]

I don’t think crumbing means much, generally. A Scorpious lim today still doesn’t sound ideal, though

Here’s where they suggest no Scorpious elim. Notice how it’s AFTER the claim but BEFORE they sus Scorpious. Why sus someone you won’t elim? It’s a sign of a pretty bad elim. If Titus/you are town I’d go for Meuh before I would do Scorpious.

The you is Dwlee for clarity.

[MathBlade]

I could see a Meuh/Carca + 1. There’s been way too much resistance to Carca that’s unexplained and Meuh’s explanation feels underwhelming.

[MathBlade]

Scorpious or his team have a roleblocker or strongman.

You die. We are in the same position.

Scum me agrees to this plan and then says I told you do.

I don’t think scum rb/strongman exist unless both you and scorp are town

This.

So today we check it. Then IF we see evidence we need to look somewhere we can.

Except scum jailkeeper can be a real part of the claim and they can block titus and kill mathblade

Yes and then tomorrow we evaluate that thing.

Then Titus argues Scorpious scum.
Scorpious argues Titus scum.

People then evaluate based on facts lead by conf town Gamma.

I am well aware I might die and not get a result.

But it’s more likely I think I get a result and scum have to prevent follow the cop or Titus is scum.

[MathBlade]

Titus is blatantly refusing to talk about who is scum with Scorpious or cooperate. Any attempts at discussion she just yells and screams. If Scorpious is scum they have buddies. Start there and talk. I just don’t think so.

[MathBlade]

With this plan we end up with two conf town plus a third known alignment if Scorpious/Titus are both town and/or don’t want to risk it.

Considering I am gated it’s unlikely scum have a strongman and one of the protectives (if not both) are town. Based on me being gunsmith Titus’s is more likely fake.

It is a risk but it’s a calculated one. I think Gamma can lead the game well if I am wrong and evaluate Titus and Scorpious (or if I am wrong elsewhere) properly. It’s because I trust people after I die I am okay with this.

Titus is freaking out NAI due to a lack of faith in people to do what she wants (which is NAI). She lacks control and doesn’t like it.

[MathBlade]

Didn't you earlier say you don't expect to get another result to share?

Wine is awesome

Maybe I do maybe I don’t.

It’s a game of chicken with scum that is incredibly protown to play.

[MathBlade]

Mainly there’s a few worlds
>> The worlds where Titus is scum and wants to kill me badly (leads to Dwlee/Carca scum)
>> The worlds where Titus is town and is incorrect about Scorpious (leads to Meuh/Carca scum)
>> The worlds where Titus is town and is correct about Scorpious (leads to Dwlee probably town 50/50 Carca)
>> The worlds where scum have a strongman/Rb other than Scorpious (extremely unlikely imho. Wouldn’t have as much resistance if true)

I think those are in order of likelihood but I trust Gamma to keep his thoughts secret.

[MathBlade]

My hope is Gamma and I are alive tomorrow.

Whether that works or not we will see.

[MathBlade]

Nope. I don’t because Titus scum kills me.

I would rather do what we have here. It’s been talked out and discussed.

Please discuss reads.

[MathBlade]

Christ…

Titus is so death tunneled I feel like I read my role pm wrong..

This especially if she is town.

What are your reads Scorpious?

[MathBlade]

I'm trying to remember the last time I saw scum tunnel on someone as relentlessly as Titus has tunneled on Scorpious.

Titus tunnels as either alignment. It’s NAI for her.

What is AI is if she does what she thinks is protown. I struggle to think how she thinks demanding Scorpious today is protown when she could just have this discussion tomorrow if she’s town.

[MathBlade]

Meuh felt very much like sidelining scum which is why I might check them I might not

We could elim them :p

We could. I would be okay there

There’s a ton of elims I am okay with just Scorpious and Titus are off the table.

[MathBlade]

Nope. I don’t because Titus scum kills me.

I would rather do what we have here. It’s been talked out and discussed.

Please discuss reads.

Titus is also spread too thin, limming town Scorpious means if targets remain the same I die stupidly

This was in context to me getting a result but yeah.

I just don’t see Titus town here but if I die I trust Gamma to sort if I was tunneled

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Carca

Let’s gooooooo!

[MathBlade]

Does math really think that all 3 scum are the most wanting Scorpious? Like Me/Titus/Carca just all thought it was a genius idea to pile on to the same wagon?

I think that it’s one possibility. See prior worlds.

I think when you’re so attached to a person being scum you’re not willing to work with the town block and not willing to coordinate the odds are you’re scum or in scum’s pocket.

[MathBlade]

At some point you are so tunnelled and so insistent that even if you’re town you’re scum.

With the tunneling you and Titus are doing it’s so destructive we can’t talk

Let it go. Tomorrow is a new day.

[MathBlade]

This is the exact reason Titus miselimmed and called for my miselim in Stevens Universe

I am trying to be the bigger person here and just get convos going

Work with me to find scorpious’s partners if you’re town.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: geraint

busy today, going home. if I'm still alive when I get my pc back I'll make a final readlist/thoughtblock. I'm just a VT so it doesn't rly matter, just pray there's no RB. GL

Thank you

Meuh G or Carca please

Time to consolidate

[MathBlade]

Math if you're wrong on one of Carc/Dwlee does that affect your read on the other?

Possibly. It depends on which world we’re in. If I am alive tomorrow then I worry about it.

If not it’s in Gamma’s hands.

[MathBlade]

I am already voting Gera, Math

Then please focus conversation there.

We need to focus conversations where elims are happening.

[MathBlade]

I am already voting Gera, Math

Then please focus conversation there.

We need to focus conversations where elims are happening.

I asked for a Carca refresher 20 minutes ago and didn't get one

I have been well versed in my Carca read and there was a beginning part of the day that was horrible for them when they kept pushing my Gamma read. It’s mainly I don’t think they’re scumhunting/townhunting.

[MathBlade]

Math if you're wrong on one of Carc/Dwlee does that affect your read on the other?

Possibly. It depends on which world we’re in. If I am alive tomorrow then I worry about it.

If not it’s in Gamma’s hands.

I'd recommend you use mechanical reasoning to back up this read. It

far-fetched

in my opinion that your solve is the obvious one. I am not okay with following your proposed solve, I do appreciate that you'd consolidate though.

This is the last I am talking, I will not respond to anything quoting this.

I agree it’s not fruitful to discuss this further.

I discussed the mechanical reasoning behind the read.

Not all of them would be scum but it’s a great PoE, especially if Scorpious is scum a good chunk are likely and they don’t want Gamma and me living to tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

...That was supposed to be funny?

I'm already dead. Stop my heart can't take it

I'm autistic and take almost everything said to me at face value. Sarcasm and humor have a tendency to fly right past me, and if I attempt to be sarcastic, no one else gets my intent.

And my brain is only working at like 20% right now but with all the noise outside rest is impossible.

I'm not your target audience right now~

Hi fellow person on the spectrum <3

[MathBlade]

That’s why I use /joke and /s they help!

[MathBlade]

I am already voting Gera, Math

Then please focus conversation there.

We need to focus conversations where elims are happening.

I asked for a Carca refresher 20 minutes ago and didn't get one

I have been well versed in my Carca read and there was a beginning part of the day that was horrible for them when they kept pushing my Gamma read. It’s mainly I don’t think they’re scumhunting/townhunting.

Gamma did one thing in particular that pinged me pretty hard yesterday. During the MM buildup, he said MM/Dwlee were probably both scum together, but voted DWlee effectively as a countertrain to MM. If they're both scum together, why split your vote off?

I have almost no recollection of Gamma today, come to think of it, but I feel like you/Scorpious being scum together doesn't really make sense unless you're the type who will essentially double suicide gambit, and scum you doing this to protect town Scorpious is... Odd. So I'm just taking the scan at face value.

You seem new. Gamma doesn’t have a gun. This means Gamma is more than likely town given Titus claimed Doctor. It’s possible that Titus and Gamma could both be scum or Gamma scum Titus town but with the doctor claim I think Gamma is a hard inno. I would reconsider in elo but not before that.

3 is the standard meta. It town is OP traitors are possible but almost never 4.

[MathBlade]

Ah. Here four is extreme. Different culture here.

Do your reads change assuming three scum?

[MathBlade]

I’ve seen scum do some wild stuff
I wouldn’t write off scum all piling on a player as impossible

The way people seem to regard Titus it seems like something she might encourage a team of hers to do.

It's probably not as simple as just all 3 being scum though.

Oh speaking of that, the question was slipping my mind, but.. How does setup meta work here? People have generally been acting like it's specifically a 3-person scumteam.

With what I'm used to, 3 in 13 is possible, but 4 is more likely.

4 typically requires a large quantity of town power roles
I’ve seen it also balanced in a normal as have 2 groupscum and 2 traitors

The only time I can ever remember seeing traitor in a game of mafia was a game probably around 8 years ago (it's so long ago I can't even find the archive of it) before I even personally started playing. Scum is generally considered underpowered if under 25% of the playerbase unless scum is superpowered and town has little to none.

Yay different community metas~

Agreed on the distraction. I think 25% is the wrong number but I tend to think setups are townsided. I am glad you’re coming out of your shell more.

Who would you elim today?

[MathBlade]

We tend to be verbose being on the spectrum.

It’s a sign we should tend towards longer posts if anything.

Man I wish there was a VC.

[MathBlade]

We tend to be verbose being on the spectrum.

It’s a sign we should tend towards longer posts if anything.

Man I wish there was a VC.

My issue with post volume is how often I think of something additional to say like 30 seconds after I hit post and then I turn it into two or even three messages in what should have been one.

...If there was VC I wouldn't be talking much at all though. Too many physical voices in my head and I shut right up.

Gahh I wish you were in the hood. I think we’d gel well together. Welcome to town block ish…gonna shut up now but yeah.

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Math, how many hood you think are scum?

At least one.

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Basically though it's rather NAI how open I'm being because I don't really care, I just leave it out on the table naturally because to me setting up my "future" is just as important to how I look in the game itself. If I'm hiding something I'm doing it for a very deliberate reason aka I always have a plan if I lie as town. I sold a vanilla claim as bus driver recently because I knew I was going to get nuked by a re-direction bypassing Strongman if I claimed my role straight up. I "may" have played this a little tighter as scum than I have, but I'm not sure. Either way, this game sets a town baseline for me quite nicely.

Speaking of beneficial lies... I'm effectively the protege of a player who intentionally baited pressure onto himself day 1 of a game as bodyguard to claim vanilla, no actioned for four consecutive nights, then saved the Town RB out of the blue on night 5 and completely ruined the game for scum. That sounds fun~

Well whoever you are welcome. I hope you enjoy playing here.

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Math, how many hood you think are scum?

I'm going to be honest in that I've almost completely ignored metaing the hood at all. If any number of them can be scum, does trying to blindly figure out how many actually matter?

It’s more I think we really messed up this day given the sheer odds scum is likely in the hood and I am a TPR (something I withheld) I really wanted to elim in the hood. The same applies if Titus is town then one of JV/Italiano likely is and my reads are wrong. We really should have been talking hood all day and Titus denying that feels wrong.

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Very unofficial Vote Count

Carcalilly

(4): Gamma Emerald, ItalianoVD, geraintm, MathBlade

geraintm

(3): Meuh, Dwlee99, Carcalilly

Scorpious

(1): Titus

Dwlee99

(1): Scorpious

Meuh

(1): JacksonVirgo

Not Voting

(1): Crescent

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate

I did this with my phone

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Votecount 2.3

Line Rider Beta 2 (2006) - fsk

Scorpious

(3): Titus, Dwlee99, Carcalilly

geraintm

(1): Meuh

Carcalilly

(1): Gamma Emerald

Meuh

(1): JacksonVirgo

Not Voting

(5): Scorpious, geraintm, Crescent, ItalianoVD, MathBlade
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning
Crescent V/LA this week

Quoting prior VC for timer c’mon y’all let’s get an elim!

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Very unofficial Vote Count

Carcalilly

(4): Gamma Emerald, ItalianoVD, geraintm, MathBlade

geraintm

(3): Meuh, Dwlee99, Carcalilly

Scorpious

(1): Titus

Dwlee99

(1): Scorpious

Meuh

(1): JacksonVirgo

Not Voting

(1): Crescent

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate

I did this with my phone

1 day 6 hours ish left for clarity.

Please try to focus discussion on C or G so we get an elim.

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Can I bribe you with a Kitten gif? Since you said you are a Kitten?

Please can I has vote on Carca?

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KITTENS YAY

I have been bribed by kittens before yes. Kittens always and forever.

But I counter with a question:

Is there any pressing need to be putting anyone -1 at the moment?

The deadline.

I am concerned if we don’t e-1 now then we might not get an elim.

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Okay then e-1 isn’t necessary right now.

I was just worried we wouldn’t get an elim.

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KITTENS YAY

I have been bribed by kittens before yes. Kittens always and forever.

But I counter with a question:

Is there any pressing need to be putting anyone -1 at the moment?

The deadline.

I am concerned if we don’t e-1 now then we might not get an elim.

Isn't that like 24 hours off?

Yeah but if you are who I think you are the site you’re from has tons of people post fast. That happens 50/50 towards deadline at best.

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Let’s talk. If Titus and dw are town, who would be scum to you? Is it still Gera? Crescent?

Sorry, I fell asleep. Possibly while reading your post lol..

…Were you going to answer the question???

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Yeah I don’t like this at all. If anything this makes me more convinced we should elim Carcalilly.

Carcalilly does nothing, acts like caught scum, then people pile on saying don’t vote with shitty reasons.

If Carcalilly towntold then that would have been your argument earlier

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On top of that there’s no suggestion to go somewhere else

Just ewww

Can’t anyone be Townie for like 5 minutes?

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Yeah I don’t like this at all. If anything this makes me more convinced we should elim Carcalilly.

Carcalilly does nothing, acts like caught scum, then people pile on saying don’t vote with shitty reasons.

If Carcalilly towntold then that would have been your argument earlier

And Ger? And Scorpious?

Scorpious is a bad wagon because reasons already discussed to death.
Ger is a bad wagon because majority of my PoE is on it.

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Your poe can be wrong

Yes it can but it’s extremely unlikely considering it’s like 5-6 people big and my inno agrees with me

And people keep trying to sabotage the town block.

It’s very antitown

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We should be elimming Carca unless someone has an airtight reason someone else is scum.

The limply giving up from Carca and Titus reads like dead scum

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It's been almost 24 hours since Carc's last post which promised more content..

Something does strike me a bit off about the train on her. Not sure what. Maybe it's that it feels like it kinda came a bit out of nowhere.

But she's also like, not doing anything right now as the vote leader with time winding down, which doesn't feel right either. Kinda gives a "hiding from the game" sort of vibe.


How much time do we have left? I'm stuck with a buncha paperwork right now.

About 12 hours.

Let’s put it this way

Assume I am wrong on Carca, we lose a dead weight VT and we can look at who didn’t want to wagon a dead weight VT to avoid suspicion.

Or we’re right and Carca flips scum

Either way not being on Carca is way more suspicious than being off it

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Maybe 10 hours I can’t clock math

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Thank you.

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I am actually okay with it because you two are my top town reads (Gamma and Crescent) and I trust you both to be able to work together.

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Scorpious is town by mech/crumb claim as explained to death.

That’s a block of three there. I think we will be okay whatever Carca flips.

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Both of these days have summed up so perfectly why I don't rush to put people -1/-2~

yesterday your point is kinda valid but today we were riding close to deadline, so the unceremonious hammer is fine ig

We had 36 hours left yesterday and a promise of more content soon from Carca. That was enough for me to give her the night.

...Of course she didn't use it.

This.

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Both of these days have summed up so perfectly why I don't rush to put people -1/-2~

yesterday your point is kinda valid but today we were riding close to deadline, so the unceremonious hammer is fine ig

We had 36 hours left yesterday and a promise of more content soon from Carca. That was enough for me to give her the night.

...Of course she didn't use it.

This.

...Weren't you the guy who tried to bribe me into pushing her -1?

I did. I just hate begging for more time and not using it. It always seems fake

Titus did it and no content and so did Carca.

This just reads like scum gave up.

Titus didn’t expect me gunsmith and just to take down Scorpious for a miselim.

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You being gunsmith doesn't make scorious town mathblade

It does. Especially with Titus doctor claim.

Titus expected to ride that to the bank then got mad when she got called out. Ever since then she hasn’t given a single viable read on anyone. For a hyperposter like her that’s sus.

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You being gunsmith doesn't make scorious town mathblade

It does. Especially with Titus doctor claim.

Titus expected to ride that to the bank then got mad when she got called out. Ever since then she hasn’t given a single viable read on anyone. For a hyperposter like her that’s sus.

You’re more than welcome to argue Scorpious scum after I am dead or Titus somehow flips green (which I doubt). Until then it’s just blatantly antitown to scream someone is scum who isn’t a viable elim.

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You being gunsmith doesn't make scorious town mathblade

It does. Especially with Titus doctor claim.

Titus expected to ride that to the bank then got mad when she got called out. Ever since then she hasn’t given a single viable read on anyone. For a hyperposter like her that’s sus.

Titus claiming doctor increases Scorpious' odds of being scum

If they are real.

If Titus isn’t doctor >> She is scum
If Titus is doctor she wanted Scorpious dead.
Titus wanting Scorpious dead is scum aligned and she’s a fake inno for gunsmith.

She denied giving any reads when told no on Scorpious

When I asked her who was scum with Scorpious several times crickets

She just isn’t town

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You being gunsmith doesn't make scorious town mathblade

It does. Especially with Titus doctor claim.

Titus expected to ride that to the bank then got mad when she got called out. Ever since then she hasn’t given a single viable read on anyone. For a hyperposter like her that’s sus.

Titus claiming doctor increases Scorpious' odds of being scum

If they are real.

I was already townreading Titus and counterclaiming was completely unnecessary from scum her POV. Why does Titus claim doctor as scum here?

Because she desperately has to get rid of Scorpious before he acts.