Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

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Sup town!

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Val prob town or very good maf

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VOTE: church

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My Scoliosis townread is kinda eroding ngl. The last 2 posts just seem to be looking to be made to start an early push (it's 2 pages in) on pretty flimsy reasoning.

Scoliosis is obviously town and i'm starting to scumread you

By meta I don't think kitty's scum.

Tell us more

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Do you have any comments on posts between 47 and 70 other than the post immediately before your 70?

Not really, I figured as conftown I don't bring a lot of value to the conversation other than my own flawed reads.

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And why did you vote church anyway.

Why else, he sounded scummy, why are you asking me?

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Church could just be new!town. Hard to say.

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Are you also not voting on D1?

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At this point I'm ok with Val/Ger/Ydra as the Elimination target today.

I think it is fair to infer unwind is claiming voteless at least for D1. Voteless is generally a town role but they are scummy as hell to so don't mind Eliminating them either.

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Val whats your read on Ydra?

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Tiger might be scum

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Unwind still not voting.

The other cat is still mafia.

Will check back in 24 hours.

Btw dont hammer anyone in the meantime. Im

informed

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K tiger is scum.

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I think Ydrasse expects to be town read by changing avatars at this point.

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It would help if someone else tried to figure the game out. Val and Skitter seem to be on a nit pick contest. I like unwnd more recently but I get the sense they are good scum and can pull this off.

Scol seems to be the only one doing some actual thinking and has some sort of town stance. Everyone else is perma afk

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this isn’t trying to be like mean but what do you constitute as solving or what are you used to

I dont see you scumhunting for one. You are just sitting there waiting for questions to come your way. Whats your case on testa?

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How do you expect me to tell if you are town or not?

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this is a shitpost fest

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(and do hope you get better soon Dann)

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VOTE: scol

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I like this bear.

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Scol emotions towards unwnd dont make any sense to me if he’s town. All this if x then y crap reeks of scum logic.

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Like how the hell you dont think unwnd is naive and gullible and not scum trying to get you killed is beyond me.

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Why can’t it be s+s or why can’t pooky be wrong town and unwnd scum pretending to be convinced?

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Lets just murder scol

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This wagon will yield lots of juicy info

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The guys pretty much scumclaimed at this point. Not sure whats the debate about.

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if it is needed for me to play more obv town I will do that but it doesn't seem necessary right now

Play as obvtown.

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You getting talked into the vote was a bit weird. But whats weirder is Scol thinking you are gullible town for doing that.

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Also I don't find the whole Scum don't double vote thing and Pooky waiting to be the 3rd vote therefore you can't be scum state of mind believable, specially if he is an experienced player.

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Like how the hell you dont think unwnd is naive and gullible and not scum trying to get you killed is beyond me.

Why can’t it be s+s or why can’t pooky be wrong town and unwnd scum pretending to be convinced?

The first question is good.

It's not s + s on principle that scum don't try to pocket other scum. Scum can try to pocket town or vice versa, town can try to pocket town, but the dynamic between pookythebear and unwnd means that they can be deduced down as a pair unless there is some really unusual reason you have to the contrary.

For your second question,

I already explained why it makes more sense that unwnd is the town and pookythebear is the scum in 530. The logic really doesn't get much more clear than that. If you won't think about what I'm saying then you won't understand:

If the wagon were to go through on me, unwnd and KT would look worse than Pookythebear, because they were the ones who voted first. The fact that pookythebear waited to switch his vote onto me until after he saw unwnd vote me is a sign that pookythebear knows I will flip town and unwnd doesn't know I will flip town. Also, it's significant in a game of this size for a wagon to move from 2 to 3 votes and this is something that I expect scum to be more prepared to take advantage of than town.

I'm referring to this.

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Welp, despite Scol being scum, there seems to be some resistance, the thread seems to be moving towards killing the two lurkers which apparently are obvious meta ML targets. They could be scumfucks too. So I'm fine murdering them. If we are going to ML them lets do it on D1.

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It would help if people not voting start voting someone, we need more drama to sort this out.

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Where did the bear go?

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BTW is anyone town reading freedom?

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And why are you so sure Scol is scum? Feel free to quote past stuff

Already did. His self wagon analysis is scummy as fuck given his supposedly paranoia and his "im about to die the scumfucks got me" attitude. I can't bring myself to reconcile the bad cold logic with his portrayed emotional behavior.

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Yo, close your eyes, IMAGINE its day two:

Scenario A) 99.9%: we murdered Scol, he was scum. Poor Toto got shot.

Scenario B) 0.1% we murdered Scol, he was town. Poor Toto got shot.

Who is scum now?

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whats your read if it was not flavor leaf?

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Yeah, I need to release my

mod confirmed info

before someone gets hammered, very important.

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Idk. Asking rethorical questions?

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Im fine with it fwiw he sounds like a scumfuck or at the very worst uncooperative town.

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I dont really get why Gera would townread Scol "because he is overconfident town and not going to burn himself up here"

Diverting Scol's wagon to Gera (the most likely counterwagon at that point in the game) seems exactly what scum would do in that situation.

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From my point of view there’s no doubt that geraintm will flip scum. He is active now that his slot is on the line, and as soon as attention drifts elsewhere he will disappear again. I have nothing to add except that I urge anyone who is conflicted about geraintm to review some of his scum games and see for yourself that this is a very surface level iteration of his usual scum tactics.

Back in my 572 I said I strongly disliked your playstyle day 1.

This post just merely confirms it. "No doubt I will flip scum"!

I don't have you as scum though, I think I have you as town leaning, as scum you would not burn youtself this much trying to eliminate me. I'm not worth the effort.

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Post lacks the paranoia I would expect from town.

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Are you townreading Gera then?

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yeah but assuming scum are not busing already (whiich would be rare) how do they accomplish #1 while at the same time not voting them?

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I mean herta will get elimed eventually not sure whats the rush.

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VOTE: gera

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@IV Not really. just wanted to see what would happen.

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Herta why are you scum reading skitter again?

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Scol/gera/skitter makes sense.

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I feel freedon is still getting some free passes.

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Btw I'm not claiming until we decide who to hammer. I may be able to check role claims.

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I want to hear any further claims today before I release what I know to get max value.

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Wut

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I feel freedon is still getting some free passes.

Freedom is town.

Tell me more

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I get being stubborn town. And his claim strategy as town is self consistent in some logical realm. Why does town!gera hard town read scol. Its like his only read.

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If I claim a role, then town flails to a different bad wagon.
It may well force another town member to claim, all good for scum.

If I claim vanilla and town forces through an elimination of me, well you can all deal with that outcome because there was nothing I could have done today to stop that.

So I repeat I think it is best for town that I not claim.

What do you suggest town does then?

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Scol pushing pretty hard though

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Don’t kill him yet. Need to think through this over some coffee, milk and cookies.

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K I think we need to do this. I’m not convinced mass claim is a good idea. It may help narrow the killpool but reveals our tpr. We can decide if its a good idea based on the info I have.

I’m conflicted because I think its relatively safe for scum to claim VT in this set up. But I don't see a way out of limming gera at this point.

All mafias are ninjas. I think that says a lot about town PRs. I think that means if there is a tracker/watcher it can be used to confirm townies. Im not sure what else to make of that. I don't think this reveals anything mafia don’t already know.

I have some extra info about town prs ill keep to myself.

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I have a feeling the mafia disrespects my legendary scumhunting techniques.

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VOTE: pooky

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Scol why do you think you are scummy?

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Herta who do you scumread?

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Also you seem to have missed the part where unwnd wants you dead.

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K but why?

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K thx for reminding me.

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VOTE: scol

Pooky you can relax for now

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Anyone can explain how to read herta again and why he is town/scum here?

I can see town!herta thinking he is a lhf and and easy target to come for, so the skitter tunnel scum case makes sense from that pov. At the same time he is not contributing much to resolving the game which is scummy, but that seems to be his approach to the game as both town and mafia from the few games I could look into.

Also herta, if you are town, can you town up?

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Also

@mod VL/A till sunday

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Anyone can explain how to read herta again and why he is town/scum here?

I can see town!herta thinking he is a lhf and and easy target to come for, so the skitter tunnel scum case makes sense from that pov. At the same time he is not contributing much to resolving the game which is scummy, but that seems to be his approach to the game as both town and mafia from the few games I could look into.

Also herta, if you are town, can you town up?

Did you even read my EOD reads list? Are you even reading any of my posts?

Sorry my memory sucks. Whats your opinion on scolosis who is about to get limed. has that changed today? What do you think of his wagon? Why do you think unwnd is scum reading you?

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Where’d scoli go?

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Why is there a pokemon

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Can we agree that giving up / lurking to avoid getting hammered is NAI and move on. Everything is freaking NAI.

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VOTE: pooky

Im bored. Scoli’s strat worked.

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Is it because he wants to kill scoli?

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K should I hammer now or wait for a replacement?

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will hammer in 8 hours

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I'm a macho man.

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Slippery fish, slippery fish... swimming in the ocean...

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will hammer in 8 hours

VOTE: Enchant

Sorry I was late.

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Cool, should i selfhammer then?

That would be unprofessional. But if you are red, yeah sure.

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I'm a macho, so there being a doctor makes sense.

Either scum did not nk, or someone prevented scum from nk, and if they did I was not the target.

If there is no CC he is a doctor. Because otherwise I would not be macho.

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Math is conftown imo w/o CC.

It's possible mafia did not nk. So the IV conftowness is iffy but he is town enough IDC.

I dont agree with his logic, but doesn't mean we can kill him.

Lets kill someone else.

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IDK Enchant is pretty focused on role-fishing which is the best thing you can do if you are repping into a hard to save scum slot.

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i don't think scum-enchant volunteers to hammer himself

ate / bluff

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Toto - Macho Alpha

Math - Town Doc

IV - Towniest town

KT - probs town, some slight reservations

Val - probs town, slightly more reservations than KT

Pooky - Effort but I get some spidy senses something not right sometimes

Ydra - Haven't done shit but says will prove themselves soon

Freedon - lots of people town reading them but I don't know why.

Herta - Herta

Firebringer - not much scumhunting from the slot overall

Skitter - Meh. they are avoiding main wagons and going after Herta all game.

Enchant - most informative flip + most scummy so far.

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Ehh I have a hard time believing your coming from town. Your posts have not helped me town read your slot any better.

You say that you don't care, but what I observe is that you do care about staying alive. And you prioritize that above trying to figure out why town!you is about to die. What led to this injustice?

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Meh. I don't buy it. My vote is parked.

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Skitter why are you still on Pooky. I thought you TR their reaction to Math.

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Meh.

I'm getting cold feet.

UNVOTE:

IV can you make up your mind on what to do with Enchant. While I don't agree with everything Math said, building a town murderblock sounds like a good idea.

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Meh.

I'm getting cold feet.

UNVOTE:

IV can you make up your mind on what to do with Enchant. While I don't agree with everything Math said, building a town murderblock sounds like a good idea.

Why are you getting cold feet exactly?

Enchant tried a little bit, but also something I didn't like about Skitter's inevitability post.

Val's post also feels a bit stilted. Trying to justify his hammer too much.

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Agree with feeling blah. What moments of towniness did you see?

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any strong town reads beyond me + math?

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im scum

gn

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Enchant were you town?

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I think it was a good choice regardless. Game was dead. We need to move on from that slot.

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Why scum pooky? He said he was town

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I want to kill herta

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All three scum on enchants wagon? If not at least one in skitter/herta

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Yeah you need to coin flip math/killer jk

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Im guessing there is still a tracker or smth somewhere. Otherwise all mafias would not be ninjas.

Are we too OP?

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I guess mafia could have roleblocker /jk of their own which would make things ok balance wise

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VOTE: pooky

Floor is yours

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and there aren't many (or any, really) teams left that don't include skitter.

Can you elaborate?

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I feel KT needs to be reevaluated after yesterday's flip.

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That is actually like lol but ok

What was funny?

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lmao, what happened?

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Based on pooky wagon(s) Val looking pretty bad imo

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this is where my reads are after full reread:

town:
ydra,

iv

, herta, freedom,

unwnd(Math)

, skitter,

toto

.

neutral:
val,

gera

, kt

scum:

scol, dann (Fire)

i'm willing to kill scol or dann today what do you think

I feel the answer is here somewhere

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I used chat GPT to translate and evaluate the statement in the context of a mafia game:

"Skitter, a werewolf in our game, earns a Christmas Tesla as a reward for defeating and killing me. Despite this, I continue to play the role of the Grinch and do not appreciate the prize."


"It is not clear from the given statement whether the author is playing the role of the mafia or the town in a werewolf game. The statement mentions that the author has been defeated and killed, which could suggest that the author was a member of the town and was targeted by the mafia. However, it is also possible that the author was playing the role of the mafia and was simply expressing their frustration at losing the game. Without more information, it is difficult to determine the author's role in the game."

VOTE: chatGPT

wishy-washy

adding UNVOTE: for the vote counter. ~D

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Is a new chatbot AI from openai. It's pretty cool but I don't think it's actually capable of actually solving a mafia game, but fair point about being careful with it. It's pretty useful to rephrase things.

For example here is the same statement when I asked it to say it like a pirate:

"Arrr, there be a new chatbot AI from OpenAI. It be pretty cool, but I be doubtin' it be capable of solvin' a mafia game. Ye be right to be careful with it though. It be pretty useful fer rephrasin' things."

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Kinda?

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K, Ydra, you go now.

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scum shot at me while math was healing me (at least i think math healed me)

this makes no sense imo, why not just shoot math or me.

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well ydra says Skitter is inno. But not sure how that works if you jk them.

Also funny you both chose the same target.

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hm.. what did you do on previous nights?

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We need massclaim

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I think either:

1) Fire and Ydra are both telling the truth, and they chose the same target. In this case mafia did a nk most likely.
2) Ydra is lying and
2.a) Trying to protect buddy who took the shot (very risky gambit)
2.b) Guessed town!skitter was the target (also risky and unncessary given skitter highly suspected anyway).
3) Fire is lying trying to frame skitter
4) They could both be lying... unlikely

I think we need a massclaim to figure out how likely the currently claimed PRs are.

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Actually sorry for 1) most likely is skitter scum.

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So yeah I'm waiting for Ydra's actions on N1 and N2. That should give us at least another confirmed town or two.

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We also need IV and KT to claim.

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[instagram][/instagram]MEEEHHHH

So you didn't think checking Scol on N1 was worth it. Or pooky/skitter on N2

This is a very unfortunate and convenient sequence of events.

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STARES AT YOU UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND

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We should probably be responsible and murder the tiger.

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I had thoughts about training some neural networks on Mafia games and having them play against each other. Mafia Simulator.

I have a toy alphazero like framework somewhere I can dig up if you are serious.

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I kinda want to hear ydrasse’s info. It could be scum didn’t think I had a shot and shot at FB?

Or FB is just lying and is scum in order to clear himself.

Yeah my eval of skitter depends on that info.

You need to claim

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if you want to murder skitter, i feel like the actual decision is to flip Ydra to prove her role.
if she flips town, we know skitter got framed and is clear. (minus ascetic possibility i guess)
If flips scum then we have to flip skitter tomorrow.

She got no result because you presumably JK tiger. So flipping them doesn't tell us much imo.

I just find their claim super convinient. They are now useless to town. I also don't find the claimed lack of night actions believable given wagon pressures. Also some previous potential breadcrumbs were hinting different things imo.

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Hmm, that changes things...

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K if all claims are true then we are down to most likely two of Val/Herta/Freedom

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K if all claims are true then we are down to most likely two of Val/Herta/Freedom

Why?

1. Toto - IC
2. Math - Town Doc
3. Fire - JK
4. Ydra - Cop
5. Kitty - Watcher
6. IV - * Pressumably shot at on N1, claimed to have been protected by Math
7. Skitter - * Inno on N3 by Ydra -- potentially ascetic / or ydra roleblocked

Leaving Val (claimed VT) / Herta (claimed VT) / Freedom (claimed VT) as the most likely pairs. (if we believe all the above).

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I don't see scum!Ydra + town!skitter.

So either both scum, both town or town!Ydra + scum!skitter..

If we flip town!skitter ydra prob town.

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So we lim Herta, if town we lim Skitter, if both town we NL, then ELO --- IDK but Val/Freedom atp? depends which claimed PRs are left I guess. If we lose we blame loss on herta/skitter for tunneling each other all game.

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So we lim Herta, if town we lim Skitter, if both town we NL, then ELO --- IDK but Val/Freedom atp? depends which claimed PRs are left I guess. If we lose we blame loss on herta/skitter for tunneling each other all game.

I don’t think I agree with this.

Which part?

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K, I guess let's decide who we flip today. I think I want to go in herta/freedom/val

I don't want to leave Ydra/Skitter uncheked till ELO

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Okay so if Toto is truthtelling then

Ydrasse would receive a succeeded and checked [playername] on mafia.
And on town Ydrasse would receive a fail.

So either Ydrasse and Skitter share an alignment or scum no killed and FB blocked Ydrasse.

I'm not parsing this. I'm of course telling the truth about all mafias being ninjas, but what does my truthtelling have to do with this?


Why do they need to share alignment necessarily?

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It's just a weird statement to make.

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Can you just ask the mod to clarify the thing in thread?

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Very helpful thx

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@Datisi I have question(s) about game mechanics of this game:

1) if a hypothetical disloyal town checker in this game checks a mafia ninja what result should they observe, assuming no other night actions are performed?
2) if a hypothetical disloyal town checker in this game checks a mafia ninja what result should they observe if their target was jailkept, assuming no other night actions were performed?

Thx

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Ok, so if Ydra is town then:

1.1) Skitter is town.
1.2) Ydra got roleblocked
1.3) Skitter is scum ascetic

If scum!ydra

2.1) Ydra trying to save scum buddy skitter who got jk
2.2) Ydra trying to get town cred by innoing town!skitter.

If I remember the sequence of events was:

1) Ydra crumbed PR
2) Ydra got pressured to claim multiple times
3) On D3 everyone was alive
4) Crucially - Ydra crumbed "I have an inno", followed by "Skitter inno, kinda",

before

FB claimed jailkeeping Skitter.

I think 4 makes 2.2 less likely. But there is a wacky scenario where Ydra+FB are scumbuddies and planned all this. I have a feeling pooky needed to go on vacation and asked his team to bus him.

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K so here is my new wacky theory:

1) Skitter is a mafia ascetic ninja roleblocker. She tried to block Math.
2) Ydra is a mafia ninja. They shot FB.

No one is dead. So the know one of them must have gotten roleblocked. Ydra claims works regardless of which of them, which is why they can claim earlier than FB.

I'm just paranoid here because I feel Ydra's claim today was a bit... theatrical.

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No nvm I guess that doesn't work. Damn that was fun.

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I guess it works without the ascetic.

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v2.0

K so here is my new wacky theory:

1) Skitter is a mafia

ascetic

ninja roleblocker. She tried to block Math.
2) Ydra is a mafia ninja. They shot FB.

No one is dead. So the know one of them must have gotten roleblocked. Ydra claims works regardless of which of them, which is why they can claim earlier than FB.

I'm just paranoid here because I feel Ydra's claim today was a bit... theatrical.

p-edit: skitter got jkept so you didn't.

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yeah which is why removed ascetic in 2.0

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Yeah don't disagree with that. Which is why it's just a wacky theory at this point. It's

possible

though.

I don't think I want to find out at ELO.

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So here is another thing I'm wondering:

if watcher and jk target the same target, does the watcher see the JK?

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How would you get false innos?

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provided its a town!Ydrasse, else outside of an elaborate trolly red-herring, what's the point?

I don't understand how Ydra being town or not plays a role, can you explain that more?

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so fire claim could make sense in the context where JK, doctor and watcher were all going to target me on N1. But this town hates me. Mod did not anticipate that.

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If we believe the claims.

I think the most natural course of action was doctor and watcher target me on N1, watcher learns doc is town 100%. JK targets elsewhere because he knows I'm macho.

Can the watcher ever see the JK?

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My head aches. Lets just lim herta+freedom.

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Ydra, solve.

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Herta, how do you feel about Ydra's result.

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My TR on IV is eroding. All I'm left with is hope for sensible N1 play. Clearly that didn't happen.

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Wow.

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Herta posted some ...thoughts...

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someone who gives us an idea of rest of team.

Who are you thinking?

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Herta posted some ...thoughts...

I really don't know. What do you not like about what I posted?

No, I liked it. It was positive sarcasm.

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Math, respectfully, I think the simpler solution is Fire/Freedom shot you down N2. Why would they not?

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I do think there is a wacky scenario with scum!fire that includes most likely NK on N2. And fire hardbussing pooky on D3.

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So if Freedom is town becaues of vibes.
And Herta is town because of one post.
And Skitter is conftown because Ydra said so.
And IV is town because scum would not NK on N1.

Then it is val 100% chance.

Because Datisi would not give us an informed IC and just two PRs, right?

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Yeah. I meant I don't think both scum are claimed PRs. Given that would leave town very weak.

So 1 or 2 of the VTs are scum.

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@Skitter you scum reading Ydra after he innoed you is ... interesting.

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my bad, Ydra.

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What doesn't add up?

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K, guys, after some further thinking and coffee I've come to the conclusion we have to murder in {Val, Herta, Freedom} or maybe {Ydra} today. We can consider more wacky scenarios if reach ELO, depending on who is left.

In the scenario where all PR claims are true, and ignoring roleblocking/ascetic skitter and assuming no NK shenanigans (thats lots of ifs) then both scum

have

to be in {Val, Herta, Freedom}

Given how the claims rolled this day do any of those claimed VT pairs fakeclaims a PR today? I don't think they can. Town in this case is already pretty confused by the skitter fiasco so why complicate their lives?

I think ascetic skitter is meh given they would have likely shot at something. There is also roleblocked Ydra & NK, but why? So most likely is either Ydra lying or skitter is probably town.

Which leaves us with some additional NK scenarios we can consider later.

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The problem I'm having is I want to murder everyone in that pool. Can you guys help me sort this out?

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Freedom, who do you want to elim in that pool?

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I don't see scum!Ydra + town!skitter.

So either both scum, both town or town!Ydra + scum!skitter..

If we flip town!skitter ydra prob town.

I agree with this.

what why can’t Ydrasse scum + town skitter

Actually, this is a good point.
I'm not sure really as I don't really see the point of scum!Ydra conftowning town!skitter.

It's a very wacky scenario where scum Ydra+Partner orchestrate NK frame but decide to inno skitter?

It's possible. But unlikely imo.

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So looking back at pooky interactions with herta there is a constant back and forth between

Skitter saying Herta is scum and pooky strongly pushing back against the case. Leading into eventually pooky 'SRing' skitter. Then FoSing both of them when they both jump on Pooky's wagon.

I'm not sure what to make of that but looks more like Pooky+Skitter theatre.

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I think I know whats going on

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I have a feeling at least one of the protectives is lying.

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but yeah we are too OP.

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FIREBRINGER

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who bussed pooky?

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good idea, can you talk to IV and reach consensus on Herta, you have very different opinions.

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Who do you suggest flipping herta?

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Remind me - the literal only scenario Ydrasse town skitter scum is possible is: scum roleblocked Ydrasse or scum rolestopped skit? (Assuming all townies are truthtelling)

or ascetic Skitter who didn't NK

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the only explanation for the lost nk n1 is that math docced iv, right? fire didn't act that night so that's where the kill had to have gone?

Or mafia didn't shoot.

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pedit mafia not shooting n1 is wild

Yeah. This is the same game where there is a living macho IC on D4.

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Yeah pooky thought I liked him most likely.

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I like this bear.

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It's also possible that mafia are informed of the other thing I'm informed and haven't said.

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well yea I wanted to murder Scol

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Yeah not sure. Tell me about your Vt reads.

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Ive been looking at previous datisi set ups and they like to inform both sides.

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Math is saying Fire is a mafia roleblocker or something.

I think scum!math has some merit. I was thinking on similar lines.

I think I feel a bit better about Val after that. I feel better about Herta too for some reason. So I think we have some shenanigans at play, most likely.

What does Firebringer thinks of this whole situation? I don't think he is bothered by fact the Math is pretty convinced he is is scum as far as I can see, or is avoiding the situation for some reason.

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Oh. wait he is bothered but threatened to take his ball home or something.

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Fire whats your read on Math? Y you want to kill Ydra?

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We only got to missed shots before mylo, FWIW.

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two*

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I lost my tr on nitpick89

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Its mylo in practice. You have to prevent a nk if we miss the 3rd and scum prolly won’t let that happen.

Lets focus on today.

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Just general vibe.
Feel the nitpickiness may be a fabricated way to hide in the discussion.

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There could be only one scum, aka you, and trading yourself for 2 Ml is good for your team. Even if we lim you first we can still yeet herta and freedom.

You could also be making this shit up so I correct you out of your own elim.

Finally, if you are town, we can’t afford to mlim all three of you when scum team could easily be skitter + claimed pr.