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nintendoaddict1 wrote:jilynne1991 wrote:I wouldn't say what archebob is doing anything bad, since it will certainly be helpful later.
Unless he is scum. Then it would have been all to throw us off.
WIFOM; don't bother with that reasoning. All I really see worthy of deducing from this is association for later-game.
@Pine And you don't see what he's doing as an overreaction/off the top at all...?-
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Pine wrote:My vote is quite adequately explained. Jumping on typoes and misunderstandings is very scummy in my book.
Jily is an acceptable lynch on policy grounds if we move into a stalemate, but I find nothing she's done yet to be damning, just the mark of immaturity.
Hold up, that's adequete reasoning?
FoS: Pine
That's bullshit. That wasn't a jump on misunderstandings OR a typo. And only scum need to make up evidence. Can you tell me exactly WHAT was a jump on a typo or a misunderstanding?
What I did wasn't any more town or scum than archaebob - he shot me with a vote to wagon so he could put some pressure, I shot back with my own reasoning and my own wagon.
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Vote: jilyne1991
Demon Hybrid's got it right, he's covered in vanilla from the top down. As for Jilyne, well, L-2 is better for pressure than L-3, that's just scary when you're on it for a while.
Hiplop, you plan on defending yourself yet or are we going to have to finish this up before we move on to you?-
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No, but you haven't done anything at all for the town despite being active. While I admit I noticed DH had posted that and that was slightly damning, I set it aside since there are better people to think about. You, on the other hand, you're not generating any useful discussion. Do you think DH is scummier than jily or archaebob?-
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Pine wrote:Holy crap, I really am just batting 1000 in this game.FOS: Helimanfor what I said in 127. Vote stays on archaebob for now.
How was Heliman involved in that again..?
Sorry, if he posted after that quote or something I can't be bothered to check, this labtop is a bitch to work with and I've seen you make a load of mistakes so far.-
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Scumhunter wrote:Pine wrote:Generally, the only people that start the game looking for third party roles are scum themselves.
Haha, you know this one from experience, eh. XD
DH + someone else (I believe bob) asked me why my vote was still on DH and apparently that implies I think he's mafia??? No, not in the slightest. I'd unvote seeing as I think he's town but I highly resent people telling me what to do with my vote so early on. I will get out of RVS when I feel like it. I literally despise the beginning of games. It just breeds idiotic, illogical arguments where people are too serious and push cases based on bad logic/little to no evidence. If it were up to me I wouldn't post til page 10 every game. Meh, I suppose someone has to spur on discussion, but I just end up raging most of the time if I try to get involved early.
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pappums rat wrote:@ everyone: There has been a death in the family, so I might not have a chance to get back on for awhile. I will do my best to put up a vote count and deliver prods if necessary when I return.
Sorry to hear about that, pappums, I wish your family all the best at this time.
Deuxieme, I'd like some thoughts out of you on how the day has been going so far and who you find to be scummy.-
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Archaebob's... wait, what? .. vote off Jil leaves it at L-4...
Okay, never mind what I was thinking there. I jumped on to a pressure vote since I thought Ace had jumped ship from the Jil, which I now realize he didn't.
@Archaebob, what I just wrote is what happened to it. I was under the impression we were at L-4 now - not enough votes for pressure.-
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hiplop wrote:shes obviously new, i FoS'd too, and iirc Barry allen did. I was slightly intoxicated admittedly, but RVS is just as much about starting conversations, as it is about applying pressure. Don't let my join date fool you, i've been playing mafia for years.Thats why meta wont cut it for me.
Also that reasoning is BS, fos =/= scumtell.Shes obviously young (account says 13 iirc), and won't fully understand mafiai suppose
hiplop wrote:As a defense. He pulled up meta to excuse his play,i find meta useless, so it wont cut it for me
Lying, LYING scum. There's a very very VERY OBVIOUS double standard here. Look at the bolded.
Unvote, Vote: Hiplop
giitah is scum; we can get her in a few minutes, though
Want to explain this as well? What's the basis of that accusation?
Also, I've italicized how you've defended her above. While it's just circumstancial at the moment I would take note of it nonetheless.
@Archaebob
Not really, no. The questioning was a failure anyway.
My personal reasons for wanting to hunt Jily were never explained, so I guess I'll explain now. I got a bad vibe after a while of reading her signature about being thirteen; I hate meta and I hate having to analyze it, but I was hella suspicious of that meta. Thirteen-year old girl? I wanted to check if she REALLY was what she said she was through an analysis of her answers and her competence, and then afterwards I'd keep whatever I found out to myself until/unless she made some sort of error in her judgement. Then I would be interested if she ever made reference to her meta as a defence.
@Heliman As for explaining my recent actions, well, I might as well speak now too. I'm a believer that pressure does change response, so I did consent to vote jump. That being said, no, I don't actually think he's suspicious, and yes, I disagree with you on 'pointless voting', because actions in this game are hardly ever pointless. Even random votes have significance.
@Archaebob again
I'd have to research Jily's posts again (see if she likes voting during day 1), but for now your case strong though it all rides on hunchs and no concrete evidence. I'll look into it.-
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hiplop wrote:Yeah, i was explaining what meta i find useless. Bringing up other games is what i consider meta, i dont consider psycho-graphic characteristics to be meta.
i worded that wrong admittedly. I mean im getting a town-read from him
So you consider claimed-and-'proveable' evidence from past games to be worthless, while you consider claimed evidence of their own personality to be in the clear?-
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*Er, just slightly worried because I've already been referenced several times like this... but... I am a guy. Just saying. .___.
@Ace
Sadly enough, no, not really. I've played Mafia before here on this site but I left after playing a couple of games due to some complications and I made a new account recently. I've studied Mafia concepts (scumtells, towntells, etc.) a lot out of interest, but I have little experience playing.
@Hiplop
Do you have anything else to say in your own defense on my case against you? If you haven't noticed, I posted again on the topic at posts #218 and #219.
@Ace again
Really, I'll have to agree with Archaebob here - his case was based on feathers but it was a case presented in a pretty strong impression and may have gotten us a decent reaction call. As it is, what we got instead was a perfectly logical reaction rather than an emotionally charged defense, which may have given us indication of her alignment right there.-
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I like my vote where it is, for now, but I'm already suspicious of Scumhunter and am I also waiting for some input.
Also waiting for input from Hiplop and Ace; still wondering what you wanted there, Ace; and as for Hiplop, I've already posed a couple of questions to you that you may already be aware of if you've been keeping up with the thread.-
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Raaage. >___< Just deleted a post worth of information.
@Hiplop
I'll post what I have to say on the topic of you at a later time, when Barry finishes questioning you.
@DH, Scumhunter
I'm in agreement with Bob's method of playing; while I wouldn't be able to push so strongly with it myself, he's good the right mindset on how to gain information on lurkers at this point. I'll also say that regardless of whether or not his line of reasoning is right at this point I'll still help him scumhunt his targets.This is NOT to say I will vote with him when we vote to kill.
@Archaebob
There's no use further arguing on the topic of your gameplay so much, I think if they disagree with you at this point it's a lost cause unless you want to spend a day arguing about it.
@Scumhunter
Would you like my reads, then? You said you don't know who I want to vote for or who I think is suspicious - you're right, that's because I haven't really said anything yet, admittedly. I've been keeping my thoughts to myself mostly aside from questioning others and trying to gain more information myself.
@Pine
Whatever you say, you're still not looking any more pro-town. Accept that we're suspicious of you and that you'll have to explain yourself when you come back and let it be and have fun on vacation. ^^
Also, OMGUS suspicions don't help you either. You are NOT looking anymore protown so why should we stop thinking you're scummy? Relax and chill and then come back and help us out.-
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Okay, I've finally finished my analysis. Before I say anything I'd like to question Scumhunter.
What makes you so certain DH is town? Do you think there is a merit to defending him so much? If you think DH isn't scum, why don't you make a logical and coherent argument against the attack of the supporters rather than telling people 'HEY GUYS STOP TRYING TO KILL HIM!'? I'm interested in what you have to say on him.-
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Wouldn't it be a good idea to observe the arguments of the attackers, then, instead of sitting around wondering 'hmm, why are they voting for him? I mean, he's obviously town!'
Regardless, that's enough, thank you, I've gleaned enough information.
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Posting my reads when I return to my desktop from my labtop, since I have all the notes I've taken saved there.-
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Here are my reads and my vote for day 1, as of now:
Hiplop
Noob scum/noob town. His reasoning and style of play is pretty offbeat and I can't really get an accurate read of him. I'll probably have to read his history to better understand but I think he might just be noob spelled all over; even so, I'll research what I can to glean something of his alignment.
While it seems like he wants to help, he has horrible reasoning and doesn't seem to have a great grasp of the game theory. No accurate read, really. He occassionally helps out in the questioning but just seems to just as often just get in the way.
Little other notes I can pick up is: he has horrible typing (meta) that improves when he defends/attacks well (could be a useful note to eyeball).
As of late, he reads pretty scummy giving me the impression of wanting to lynch immediately in post #341, where he stated
"atm im fine with lynching;
Barry
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Grallie".
See this as OMGUS from me, but the fact that he said it in that way looks kinda scummy to me.
Foilist
No accurate read as of yet. Not enough content.
archaebob
Strong town read. Like ace(?) mentioned earlier, there is a chance he could be playing a mindscrew WIFOM game with us and that he's actually a Mafia, but it's looking pretty low.
jilynne1991
Fucking terrible town player or a really noobie/good at lurking scum.
She strikes me as pretty scummy in it that she's really nervous, as seen in really trying to explain herself and why she was lurking and why nothing had happened in post 101; she gives us a really weak sort of response, her only really useful response in post 187; but that's it for content from Jily. Otherwise she has struck me as inattentive, lacking in any dedication and very nervous trying to keep her cool. She needs to post like HELL or be replaced.
Barry Allen
Personally, I don't have an accurate enough read of him but I'm getting a relatively townie vibe from him overall. He argued with Hiplop throughout page 14 (posts 325 to around 350), where he gave me a pretty passive and understanding tone rather than an offensive mafia. He didn't vote Hiplop until hiplop demonstrated some pretty funky logic. This deserves a read-over if he shows anymore mafia behavior but overall despite not giving off a strong townie vibe he DID give it off when he was arguing with Hiplop here. I'll leave him as a townie read leaning towards the null side.
NintendoAddict
He reads as a pretty noob town to me. He argues with Archaebob on the game theory a little bit but in general seems to grasp it enough to read decently. He posts some pretty faulty logic at times, in general his ability to reason appears to be somewhat limited to me, which COULD be read as a potential scumtell but it just reads noob to me. We can see some bad reasoning and also an example of his somewhat lacking game theory understanding in posts 239 and 250.
As for the cases against him, I've read them (hopefully) though I've forgot what they're about and he still seems newb town to me.
Heliman
He passes off to me as scummy because he's far too vocal. His play style is brash and rude and his case against Archaebob later in the game passes off as pretty scummy compared to what he said near the beginning if you view his posts in isolation. He's decisively null tell just because my gut reaction conflicts with his content, but with his intelligence I really don't think he'd be barking at Archaebob, especially after what he said to start with. I'm interested in this conflict, but there's no time to investigate this unfortunately.
Ace
Decisively town so far. He's done some good work so far but he also shot down the Jily case, which looks pretty bad on him. I think it was simply a mark of bad judgement rather than scumminess. The only odd thing I find is that he promised to give us an analysis of the Heliman vs. Archaebob argument, which never did pop up ever again if I'm not mistaken.
DemonHybrid
I get a town read from him. His content is good and he's helped the town. Not much more to say. His argument with Bob goes on theory but there's nothing from him to say he's scum, while there's a pretty strong read on him as town.
However, the fact that he's hesitant to join another wagon is of interest to me and should be noted.
Spadille
V/LA
Scumhunter
Null read. After being prodded to post he posted consistently and offered decent opinions but he's also proved he's relatively intelligent, meaning he could be either town or scum at this point. However, he does refuse to vote for someone he thinks is town, even if it's blatantly obvious it's not a lynch vote. Not sure what to make of this but that's all I can say.
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hiplop wrote:Graiie, explain where DH has ever been pro-town. Now. He hasnt done anything useful all game. Make sure to include evidence.
Where have i ever gotten in the way, too? I think my attack on archbob is townie enough, and it was pretty solid logic. I got him to pretty much confirm himself + a few others/get off the track. This town is really nit-picky and i get frustrated over that. (ie typing thing, get over it people)
you realize that me saying directly who i'm ok with lynching; is not scummy at all..right? If i were scum in this scenario it would limit my options to squirm around.
^^ Thats why your reads increased your scum-points, for me. You didn't decisively sayanything, pretty much all of them except bob say "They could be scum or town". Paving an easy route for you to flip-flop your opinions
Yes, part of the reason why I said you get in the way is that your style of typing has something to be missed. Everyone's investigated you and come up with nothing on the baiss that 'you look scummy', with absolutely no evidence. It's not your fault, but you do, and I think that's what I was thinking when I posted that.
Obviously, Hiplop, I won't know who's town or Mafia at this point, because I'm not Mafia. What I am I supposed to do, act like I'm dead certain someone's scum when I really don't have any thing but inklings and gut feelings? I'm not sure what else you expect from me. Do you want me to make a faulty and weak case against someone and say everyone else is in the clear?
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hiplop wrote:Barry Allen wrote:hiplop wrote:Did you even read my post?
Yes, hiplop, I read all your posts. I find them not to be consistent in either content or posting style. The post I'm quoting from you is like a lot of your early posts, where you quote a longer post from someone else (in this case me) and make a very quick comment...making it look like you are contributing much more than you actually are. Your later posts swing back and forth in both content and style, depending on how much heat you are getting at the moment. Until I see something better from you I'll keep my vote where it is.
There is one other question that I did answer earlier...but that question seems to have come up again so I'd like to answer it again after quoting the most recent note on the subject:
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@Barry
Post #4 you said you wanted to hear from jil because she was at L-2. I know this has been said before, but drawing attention to her absence seems almost opportunistic.
I don't think either of them are scum, though, but you can't be really sure on D1.
At the time of the post referenced above, Jil had actually been on thread multiple times without giving a defense, even though the votes were piling up. She had only been at L-2 for a few hours (hence my time zone reference), but this had been going on for much longer with her active posting...but no defense. That's what I was calling out...not her absence from the thread, but her absence of a defense.
get over it, you have no argument. I type walls when i have something to type about. When im just replying to a question, there is no need. If you look at my meta (since you guys seem to love it), i type like this in every game; Scum or Town. Which is why your logic sucks smurf.
As for bobs ask from us; My vote is on my most scummy, Barry has gone up a few points with his persistance with me. Yet demonhunter continues to try and pull a policy lynch on jilyanne. He was one of the ones leading the charge on her, and it wasted like 10 pages. Obvious scum-delay is obvious. Also, theres something just wrong with his posts, they come across very scummy, cant really explain it
just so the mod doesnt get confused;
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VOTE: DemonHybrid
hiplop wrote:Scumhunter wrote:DH is town, we are not voting him. I am 95% sure that DH-scum would have loved to tunnel a policy vote on me today for our disagreements from last game.
I want to see your case on him Bob. Also, yea Pine is V/LA, we don't want to vig him or even consider voting him til he gets back and can contribute. That is reckless play.
I have to agree with DH with regards to jilynne. If the point of voting someone for pressure is to actually elicit a response you don't just GIVE UP when they aren't responding. You continue to pressure them until they either respond or lynched as bad town/scum.
I'm more than willing to vote jilynne if she doesn't want to contribute.
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so because hes going after someone else, that makes him town?
I think we've found our scum team guys.. (dh and scumhunter)
This is all I can find on your case on DH. So you want to kill him because he's still insisting on killing an active lurker? Personally, I don't buy your case. All you say is 'HE KEEPS WANTING TO KILL HER' and 'HE LOOKS SCUMMY'.
That's not a case. Bring up some evidence and evidence for counterarguments because there's a lot that can be said on the topic of DH. You've proven yourself relatively intelligent and you're no longer on V/LA, so you should be fine with doing this, right?-
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Lawl. Ace, I think you got the impression because I (laughing, by the way) noticed that Archaebob said Jil was getting replaced first if I'm not mistaken at around page 14/15, then I think you read that because soon afterwards you started saying that too. Rather amusing from the sidelines, really. ^^
So, clarifying, from what I know Jilynne is NOT being replaced. She... should have been back today but I'm guessing she had school.
Vote Pine
He's really scummy in my books so far anyway and I'll second Bob on wanting more content from him.
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