Mini 1401 - Game over!

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vote: nobody special

because he's nobody special

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VOTE: absta101

for voting someone for voting for a shit reason in RVS.

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VOTE: qwints for voting for someone who voted for someone for voting for a shit reason in RVS.

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^good question

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Crap

I'm scum

I think this is what you actually meant to say yes?

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I have to say this is the most boring start to any game I've ever played in. How are we to hunt for scum when nobody posts...?

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well Meph, that's kinda the point. What's scummy about scumhunting exactly?

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makes sense...from your point of view. 2 things you have incorrect assumptions about though. Although I joined long ago, I haven't played in roughly 2 years. Not actually sure why I stopped but w/e. Secondly, the mini normal that started right before this (1400) is on 5 or 6 pages already and both games started roughly the same time. It has to do with the people in this game and not the pace of the site. My statement thus stands, this IS the slowest game I'VE ever been a part of. kthxbye

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@Grogon: Please tell me what exactly I'm supposed to hunt with without anyone posting? And look at this, we have moved from RVS to real commentary. Also, please show me where I'm "emphatically making a deal out of the fact that I am scumhunting". If I recall correctly, my post was in reference to the lack of material for anyone to scumhunt at all. Seems like you are the weakest vote on this bandwagon that has emerged. Grats, you are scum. With such, I will vote accordingly...

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VOTE: Gorgon

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@gorgon: "but its something to go on at this stage". Couldn't have been said better.

@slandaar: so you like my wagon without saying why you like and/or agree with it and then you fluff your post with giving us some history we neither care about or want to hear about and furthermore try and push us back into rvs. Is there a reason that although you "like the kthx wagon" you chose not to vote on it? Scumtell alert...

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@SiN: please reply to the question addressed to you on page 1.

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Yeah, I don't like the mysterious. If its important in some way, you either shouldn't have brought up that it wasn't rvs or you should let us know now. This whole not now crap looks more scummy than anything else. Like you're afraid of slipping something.

This combined with a complete lack of substance in your posts warrants an
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VOTE: SiN

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@qwints: though I wouldn't be able to say it's normal, it is done on purpose. As for SiN voting for a reason that is hinted at, I just don't see it. What's the problem with explaining something others (you) seem to understand. How is that being helpful to those who don't get it at all. I still read it as scummy behavior.

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first post from huntress joins the largest bandwagon to blend in. eyes on you Huntress.

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@conman: have you even read the thread??

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Meph: no thoughts on the voting patterns of slandaar?

As for the rest of this, there is too much lurking out there for my taste. We have Conman posting twice and apparently not reading the thread...like, at all. theace and havingfitz have posted twice and Saint with a whole 1 post.

For the time being though, I get the feeling that Conman's name is fitting for this game.

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VOTE: TheConman17

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Conman: please, by all means explain why you completely ignored the multiple posts about your comments on Slandaar and his "voting pattern" and also, what history with this forum do you refer to exactly? Last thing, if you could point out the specific "points mentioned above" that really led you to your vote on me, that would be great. Thanks in advance scum!

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Mod, vote count when you get a chance please.

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huntress, qwints, Conman, theaceofspades, Gorgon (5)

I believe this is the current wagon on myself. On one hand, Conman could be just an incompetent townie and doesn't care how scummy he comes off nor cares too much about the game. On the other, scum-him doesn't want my wagon going away so he instantly changes his mind about Slandaar's "scummy vote pattern" to a vote on a wagon he wants pushed.

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Meph: it was sarcasm as you posted and mentioned nothing about it. Conman's posting is very poor but has all the markings and noob scum, not idiot town. Though the other votes on him came quick, they are justified imo. Why do you not find his posts inherently scummy? Do they not look indicative of noob scum? If not, how are they idiot town? More-over, havingfitz has 3 posts....what is there that needs looked at?

Meph's post in defense of Conman has me concernicus. It is basically a 'hey guys, let's look elsewhere even though Conman's posts are scummier than dirty pond water'. If/when Conman turns up scum, Meph will be the one needing looked at.

FoS: Meph

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Ace: what posts of mine lead you to your conclusions, both the floundering and the magician comments.

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Okay i am ready to pay more attention to this thread I have honestly just been spamming because I play mafia on ikariam forum so this is not my first time. I play a lot of lacrosse and have schooling so I am really stressed but never mind that I have been looking over the thread and now have to say these players seem experienced and for my

my first game on this forum

do you honestly think he would put me as scum

because I could not know anything and just go on and say something stupid wheres

if I was a Towney

that would be more logical as more skilled players should be on the mafia and

if I messed up then it wouldn't matter as the mafia would already know that I was a Towney

.
SO since my last votes were stupid

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Bolding is mine. First off, yes, the mod would and could and probably did put you as scum. That's assuming the Mod knew this was your first game on this site.

Secondly, scumslip number 2 perhaps? "if I was a Towney"? Really?

Being a bad towny is just as bad as being a bad scum since if you're town, nobody in their right mind would ignore your scumminess.

Confirm vote: TheConman17

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Conman, I'm doing nothing of the sort. You post scummy shit, non-stop and want me to not think your noob-scum for it??!! What sense does that make?

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Ummm, yeah, I didn't

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...sigh. replace out conman. Also, haven't decided of you are frustrated scum or good for nothing town. Self votes really screw things up.

Glad to have met you. /end sarcasm

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::rolls eyes::

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absta: Already explained that. A self vote complicates the read on him. I don't think scum tend to self vote, on the other hand, he's purely noob so who knows. It muddies the water a ton with the self vote. That said, do you find his postings to be frustrated town or noob-scum?

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I like huntress and Nobody if Conman flips scum. I like ace if Conman flips town.

scum flip: huntress due to Conman's "huntress does make some good points though" and Nobody for the 'please replace out so they don't catch scum first day' (p127).

town flip: ace for distancing in p124 and then the 'I do like a good town lynching' in p125. pretty much read it the same way qwints did.

Either way, I think Conman is a good lynch day one.

Mod: Vote Count Plox

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mostly gut on huntress. I think its pretty thick reasoning without gut though. Conman is very noob (at least to this site) and his comment about huntress making good points would be a very noob-scum move to make. The connection for her if he flips scum is much stronger than the Nobody link.

The town flip read is also not thin imo.

Edit: ace, the link to you is dependent on his flip at the moment. Conman won't be around in that case, so scum-you's desire to keep him around to draw fire is irrelevant.

Edit2: Can't argue the sound logic of qwints. Though I think Conman's flip is more important today than having him replace out at this point. The more I think about it, the more the self vote kinda screwed any replacement option.

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anyone understand what's going on with SiN atm? I've been ignoring him thus far (prefer ppl to not post when...not of sound mind) but to get on here and freak out like the lynch is happening in the next day is...odd.

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Well, if my math is correct he's at L-2 now, so no worries SiN

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...huh?

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Why would I not want a day one lynch? You do realize lynching is the only weapon town has against scum right?

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Not buying that conman is town cuz he didn't look up the rules. Noob-scum are just as likely to do the same. In fact, I'd say town are more likely to be intimately familiar with the rules as a weapon to catch scum.

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Mod: Vote Count Plox

...derp. read p151 and use very simple math. Only one vote changed in 9 posts from last vote count. Even if you were town (not likely), I can't trust you or any replacement you would have if you chose that route. Anyone not thinking you are scum should vote you for policy.

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Fire away from myself? I'm not under fire mate. Also, didn't mention anything about color. It's odd how the things you accuse me of doing are showing up in the posts you are writing the accusations in.

Lynch this scum.

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After taking the recent posts from everyone into unbias consideration, I still say Conman is the best lynch for Day 1. Some of you make good points, and they are worth looking into imo....Day 2, after scum-Conman is dead and buried and being eaten by worms.

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No, 2birds1stone isn't in this game.

I lol'ed

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Hey conman, if you flipped town do you think it would help us find scum? If so, who would you suspect be the most likely person on your wagon to be scum? Second and third most likely?

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So that's scummy but you putting yourself at L-1 was legit? Also conman, I asked you a specific question you have still not answered. Do so in your next post please.

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Hey conman, if you flipped town do you think it would help us find scum? If so, who would you suspect be the most likely person on your wagon to be scum? Second and third most likely?

Here, since you're too lazy to go back a page to see what you might have missed to spark my asking you to answer it again...

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As in top 3, most to least, names, as stated in the original question...

/facepalm

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Here, I'll help you even further...

TheConman17 (L - 2): Kthxbye, havingfitz, Slandaar, Nobody Special, theaceofspades

Out of the 5 on your wagon currently, WHO do you think is most likely scum? WHO would be likely scum after that person, and WHO would be the 3rd most likely scum.

So, for example, you'd say, 'I think xxxxxxxx is the scummiest of the 5. Then xxxxxxxxx and xxxxxxxxx as second and third most likely scum in my opinion'....

Is there anything unclear about what I'm asking now? You can even copy and past the above and just fill in the 'xxxxxxxxxxx' with NAMES of PLAYERS on your wagon.

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Does that mean from most to least scummy you have:
'havingfitz - probably the scum
Slandaar - if havingfitz isn't scum, its this guy
NS - if I was wrong about the other 2, this guy is the 3rd most scummy on my wagon'

Why can't you just be clear about this and list fucking names like in the now 2 examples of what I'm asking you to answer with?!!!

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I think conman is scum. Even if he's not, I think a PL is in order. I asked him the question of scum reads on his wagon for the purpose of him flipping scum. If scum, I doubt he was smart enough to bus his scum buddy(s). We'll see after he dead. I'm also so very board with day 1. 2 votes are needed. Get it done.

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Huntress, I believe the points to be better evaluated after conman flips.

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Also, explain this counter wagon you speak of. What was the first wagon you believe I tried stearing people away from?

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The wagon on me was bunk from the start. I didn't need a counter wagon because the case was thinner than rice paper. The wagon on conman is because he's scum posting scummy things, not to try and take attention away from myself.

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The lack of activity in this game makes me sad.

More votes on conman. Kthxbye. Yeah, I just kthxbye'ed you. Now you have to do it.

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bout time...

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Again, bout time. Need a hammer now.

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Mala, get you vote on scum conman

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Sorry to hear about that conman. We won't lynch you till things get back to normal for you.UNVOTE:

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I don't really like to quick lynch before I have time to ask questions and wait for answers so I can based reads on people. I think the longer Day 1 is the easier in the long run it will be to catch scum.
Why are you so eager to cut it short?

@Mala: This game is beyond stalled. Many a lurker, many a fluff poster. I feel that a Conman lynch/flip will give us much more information than pulling the teeth that are answers out of over half the

lurkers

players in this game.

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That's because the top isn't mine....

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It was supposed to be a mala quote.

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I approve of this exploring other avenues while we await Conman's return, but does anyone actually oppose a conman lynch?

Nope

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"Game on!"
VOTE: conman

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Huntress, honestly, I forget. I remember thinking that some of the points were on players who were on my scummy list. Mostly, just my reads based on Conman's scum flip. Will I go back and figure it out? Probably not. Too lazy and this day has dragged on long enough. Conman looks to be posting a bit better atm, but I don't trust him and won't trust him. No reason not to drop the hammer down. I think he looked so scummy that there are probably 2 scum on his wagon should he flip town and probably at least 1 scum bussing him should he flip scum. I want more info and I don't see it happening today.

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Ok, conman has literally one post to say something substantial before I push straight up for a PL.

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Not calling for his lynch right this second for one. I feel that yes, he is the scummiest but there is also the possibility he's the biggest VI I've ever played with. Either way, I don't/can't trust him. I do think we can garner Intel on him after his flip though. On phone now, but I will write a post on my thoughts on both him flipping scum and flipping town.

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Just bringing my case on Kthxbye up to date from my post 119:

Since then he has suggested possible follow-ups to a Conman flip; says he "Can't argue the sound logic of qwints" even though Qwints' case on Ace was based on Conman being VI rather than scum; said SiN was acting odd; and done nothing else other than continuing to push for a lynch on Conman. That is: no scumhunting and no other reads, which reinforces earlier concerns that his declared eagerness to scumhunt was fake. He's the highest poster in the game but has contributed precious little to it apart from complaining about "lack of activity", the epitome of active lurking. I'm more sure of him being scum than I am of anyone else at the moment.

Then you are either really poor town or scum with conman. Tell me huntress, do you feel conman is town? If so, what good is he to you in a lylo situation? How can you trust his actions come later days if he is not lynched.

The only way conman doesn't reach lylo is if we lynch him. His posts, all of them, are shrouded in over reaction and scummy behavior. Scum won't nk him due to this.

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The more I think about it, the more and more I don't like everyone so easily buying into this village idiot garbage. I find it very odd that everyone is so willing to enter night with Conman alive. I still need to re-read this game and especially focus on the quick push away from the Conman lynch.

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UNVOTE:
Starting over from here.

Starting over? Really? ok, well, I'm sure Conman either won't post anything and lurk or post more scummy shit. Either way, his spot is where my vote will be parked till he's lynched.

Confirm VOTE: Conman

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Ok, this day has gone on long enough. Below is why you should vote conman: (bold is mine)

Vote: Slandar
His voting pattern is suspicious an he seems to be one of the scum.

There were no patterns and when asked, no comment.

Well kthxbye you seem rather quick to try and take votes of yourself and try to blame other people but I guess I haven't been reading much because I have been at a lacrosse tournament and am really just spamming but you do seem to have a past history with this forum and with the points mentioned above...
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VOTE: kthxbye

Here he does pretty much exactly what he accuses me of and tries to keep the wagon on me going while still ignoring any questions directed at him. Also note admission of "really just spamming"

.... these players seem experienced and for my

my first game on this forum

do you honestly think he would put me as scum because I could not know anything and just go on and say something stupid wheres if I was a Towney that would be more logical as more skilled players should be on the mafia and if I messed up then it wouldn't matter as the mafia would already know that I was a Towney.
SO since my last votes were stupid

UNVOTE

Do I even need to break this one down?

But I do have to say kthxbye's scum strategy seems to be that when someone finds something suspicious about him he try's to get people to vote for other people by fos or vote (even though some people aren't being scummy (meph)) and when that doesn't work jump on a bandwagon

After we get some schooling on how another site is different and debate on whether Conman should have started with a Newbie game, we get this nice little post that if he flips scum, will convince me that d3x's slot is scum as well.

Screw this I am going back to playing on ikariam

Vote: TheConman17

And finally, anger at getting caught so easily on day one and a big part of the reason I don't want to deal with him past today.

After all this, we basically get fluff and not answering direct question (seriously, was like pulling teeth re: p189-p208) and flipping reads more often than an angry pidgeon.

Vote Conman for Scumsident!! (Think I'll make buttons)

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Conman: 100% scum

There ya go!

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Also, I talk about d3x in my post as well. Well, not him specifically, but his slot.

P.edit: no thanks

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Really huntress? Nothing in my last post was logically based and just a smoke screen? This isn't the first time you've come to conmans defence btw. Any specific reason for that? Mind posting the reasons I'd need a smoke screen for anyway? Might get more votes that way...

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Huntress defense of you, d3x (his slot) due to earlier interaction with meph, and you are my scum list. The first 2 if you flip scum mainly though huntress will still be on their if you flip town. Everyone else is leaning town atm. No strong town reads atm.

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forgot nacho was in game and huntress stuck out more due to activity. Good catch. Doesn't have any bearing on Conman still being scum.

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Really huntress? Nothing in my last post was logically based and just a smoke screen? This isn't the first time you've come to conmans defence btw. Any specific reason for that? Mind posting the reasons I'd need a smoke screen for anyway? Might get more votes that way...

tbh, I skipped your case on him. I hate the way it's set out.

If you want to convince me, point me to a scummy thing he's done, explain why scum would do it and why town wouldn't. We'll go from there.
VOTE: Kthx

Conman and huntress have a point.

@kthxbye you do not say anyone is suspicious but me you do not even acknowledge other players (exept for the vote for conman thing) and also I would like to see your scum list similar to mine

I've seen this come from town more than scum.

First off this post is a contradiction. Vote me and then claim that my actions come from town more than scum. Secondly, not doing work I've already done because you don't like the formatting.

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You guys made some good points!

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VOTE: Slaandar

Any wagon will do...eh Conman?

Town not voting Conman is disappointing.

This

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I don't understand the rest of the town right now. Honestly, day 1 lynches are never this cut and dry. Yes, it's odd that it's this easy. That doesn't mean it's not the right lynch.

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/facepalm.

Sadly, he MAY (like really small chance) be the biggest VI ever. I say this because it's too easy to jump on the wagon so I could theoretically see scum trying to stay off of it...I guess...if I had to think about it really really hard to the point I bled out the ears...

For the record, in case anyone wanted my thoughts on whether ConMan is scum or town and doesn't want to read the past 18 pages....I think he's SCUM.

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Conman, if you can't read the sarcasm in that......

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Conman: why did you only posted thoughts on my single post and ignore everything else posted since your last post...?

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@all- Slandaar is L-2. We have ~4 days left before deadline. You know what needs to be done.

Why yes, yes we do. Conman needs to be lynched....duh.

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@Slandaar: Is there a situation you could say it was town vs town between you 2?

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Some are qwints, yes

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@Qwints you are coming off quite scummy

Zomg! You're so right!
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VOTE: qwints






Just kidding...
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VOTE: conman

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Tell you guys what, if it comes down to needing a vote to lynch, I'll switch my vote to hammer. I'd prefer to lynch conman, but for some odd reason, you people are being dumb about lynching obvscum. We'll deal with him tomorrow if we must. Have no doubt though that if slandaar flips town, those pushing slandaars lynch over conmans will have a lot to answer for.

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Ok, holidays are here and we have 3 days to lynch someone. Don't know how often ill be able to get on so as promised, I'll throw in on the slandaar wagon.
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VOTE: slandaar

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Slandaar is L-1
Conman is L-2

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And done. Goodbye ConMan, it's been real.
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VOTE: Conman

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That escalated quickly.

Naw, it was a long time coming.

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Fyi, the hammer was anything but quick.

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He can claim now. Yeah, we'll see the flip eventually but there's no reason for him to not tell us since he's dead.

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And now at least he has no reason to lie.

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@d3x: A couple of things. First, no comment on 2 deaths N1? Really? Second, though I won't refute there is probably at least one bus vote on Conman due to his play just being that awful, you really think the odds are so good that there is no scum vote on Slandaar, you'd like to look at HIS wagon first over Slandaar's wagon (the wagon being pushed hard enough to be in contention with the guy who flipped scum)? And last, you honestly think we are so damned good that the 2 largest wagons on DAY ONE were BOTH on scum? Wow...I can't wait to see the answer to these...

I really thought that huntress was scum and am surprised to see she wasn't only town but a PR. Not surprised at Havingfitz's death as I had a town read on him and he was playing a solid town game. If I had to guess, I'd say Havingfitz was probably the scum target. Not gonna speculate at what PR shot huntress at this time, but I'm guessing it's probably a town shot as I thought she was scum and could easily imagine other town thinking the same due to Conman flipping scum. With that, I'm going to look for connections with Havingfitz and who he was onto other than Conman to get scum scared enough to make him N1 kill.

So with those deaths we have:

havingfitz

, qwints, Nobody Special, Malakittens, Saint Kerigan, Dunhamganger,

KThxbye

on the Conman lynch

d3x, Singer is Nachomamma, Gorgon,

TheConman17

,

Huntress

on the Slandaar wagon

Seeing as there are only 3 ppl not dead on Slandaar's wagon, I'm looking there first as is the most logical action. I also think Slandaar is pretty town by default due to the odds being so low that the only 2 lynch options for day 1 are/were both scum. That being said, d3x, I have never known you to give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to scummy actions. You saying Conman was VI instead of jumping on the lynch train struck me as very odd D1. Your p539 doesn't sound like town-d3x to me at all.

That said
VOTE: d3x

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/in before 'd3x is obvScum'

Seriously though, I don't know if that's the worst or greatest Scum play I've seen... he convinced ~1/2 the town he was just an idiot. As I'm sure I'll be the MisLynch today, I'll go on record now and say that I think Conman's Wagon is probably hiding at least 1 Scum Vote. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that both ran an early bus. I would recommend looking for the weakest and/or earliest Votes. If they thought he would draw the Lynch (obv from their perspective), it'd be a grand opportunity to gain TownCred by riding that shit to the end.

I actually like my Slandaar Wagon from yesterday for that very reason.

VOTE: Slandaar

Can't believe I missed this. From this post, the bold looks in reference to the "grand opportunity to gain TownCred by riding that shit to the end"....yet, Slandaar didn't right that to the end did he? So you recommend looking for the weakest and/or earliest votes on Conman that rode it to the end, yet like your Slandaar wagon even though Slandaar didn't do what you recommend us looking at first?

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when the dog bites, when the bee stings, when I'm feeling sad...I simply remember my favorite scum posts....

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VOTE: Havingfitz

Pretty good points singer

SiN has been shouting that you were town rather than scum. He is someone who I wouldn't have forgotten to add into a list.

are you getting at something here, mala? b/c i'm not seeing it.

Good point where are you getting at Mala?

@Qwints you are coming off quite scummy

Update Reads: Slaandar=Scum

These gems have me thinking Slaandar is town, Qwints is town, d3x is scum, Mala is town, and Singer is scum. I don't think Conman was smart enough act opposite of who he knew was on his team.

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I have more questions but I'll wait till after your to be continued post.

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Nevermind, I won't wait as I'll forget.

So ConMan called Slandaar scum at the end of his rope. Do you think that ConMan, who was obviously noob scum, goes and calls his scumbuddy scum at the end of his rope? I like this post by Mala and town points to her for making it. I also agree with it and think it's logic is much more likely than the logic that ConMan went off and outed his scumbuddy. I think noob-scum Conman stayed far far away from his buddies actually. Like...well...you for instance.

Probably not. Majority of your scum reads are those voting for you.

Meph/Saint are exceptions.
Kthx also you stated is leaning town.

Just because Slandaar changed to scum on your read list means you are being oppurnist. Not to mention you are asking others for reads, but not really mentioning your own. You have an appeasement attitude.

If you are town d3x, why aren't you looking at relationships to known scum? ConMan was noob and it's probably more logical to look at what he said for scum-slips of his buddies than any other analysis. I know you and it's because you aren't doing this that makes me suspicious.

p.edit:

This is a lie and you know it because of

redacted

{ongoing}.

I'm a derp, let me rephrase. *hardly ever known you to...* Never was a bad word there I agree.

Do you have a scum read for anyone else besides Slandaar? I ask because at this point, I don't see Slandaar being scum in relation to noob-scum Conman's posts.

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Damn you d3x....
UNVOTE: ....for now....

Any other scum reads though?

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Fuck me sideways...ok, d3x isn't scum....probably. unless he's going opposite his scum meta, what he's saying is true. Shit. Now that huntress is dead town, my scum reads need new scum.

That said, I still don't see slandaar as scum either...sigh, more reading for me then...

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D3x: just know that if you are playing the fact that I know you very well against me to win this game for scum, we will no longer be friends.

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Meh, should have said possibility. Thanks for bringing that up though. Yay! Another scum read without rereading!
VOTE: SiN

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Yup, reread SiN, I like my vote. 2 scum in 2 days. I'm awesome.

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....and....?

Might be the most worthless post I've seen.

"Look, I'm scum hunting without pointing any fingers or making any waves guys!!!"

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Gorgon

I also don't like qwints, SiN, or NS. SiN is the only one of those 3 not being completely worthless but I just feel something is off about his posts...

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Nope, those are pretty worthless as well.

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Mala, are you saying

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Mala, are you saying absta/dun hammered conman and that its scummy they did so?

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I hammered btw, not dun....its interesting that your trying to add it to others to make a case though.

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Because I don't see scum not trying to defend a scum PR at all.

I like this thought
UNVOTE:
VOTE: SiN
I'm actually convinced d3x is town for now

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I'm of the opinion at least one of gorgon, d3x, or SiN is scum. Which one we gonna lynch guys/girls? I'm sold for now that d3x is town. Don't like either of gorgon or SiN.

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I say we lynch SiN and have our probable vig kill gorgon if SiN flips town.

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Actually, it's d3x, you, AND gorgon....but that's here nor there. And the purpose of lynching Gorgon is your town is because it's probable that 1 of you 3 is scum. IE. Probably 1 scum on Slandaar's wagon D1. Understand now?

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Bah, I'm obv-town

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Please, enlighten us how my statement is "fascinating" to you.

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awww....d3x, you know me so well.

SiN: So you think the competing wagon that was higher voted than Conman until he was lynched super quickly at the end only had 1 scum on it? You don't think it's probable that due to the quickness of Conman's lynch, maybe there were 2 scum on Slandaar and only 1 bussing conman? I'll give you 1 prob bus and 2 prob on Slandaar or elsewhere...I won't give you 2 on Conman though. To try and debase it so casually is suspicious at best. It's possible 2 scum were bussing Conman, but it's certainly not probable. Having you try and debase the idea that 2 scum were on Slandaar at the end in your latest post has me happy with my vote though...so thanks for that.

p.edit: SiN, please fit dun's play after he replaced absta with that of a scum role. How was scum-dun thinking. I'll refresh your memory how it went down. We were getting close to deadline. I said I'd switch over to Slandaar to avoid a no lynch since people weren't wanting to lynch Conman. I then switch my vote.
Slandaar: L-1
Conman: L-4

Mala then see's the light I've been pointing out all game, votes Conman.

Slandaar: L-1
Conman: L-3

NS threatens to hammer Slandaar and calls for a claim. SK changes her mind and thinks Slandaar/d3x talks are town v town and votes Conman.

Slandaar: L-1
Conman: L-2

Right after this, you're saying that scum-dun comes in and puts HIS OWN SCUMBUDDY in a tie with NOW CONFIRMED SCUM Conman most likely knowing (if he read the game at all) that I was ONLY on Slandaar to avoid a no lynch? These is your scum-hunting abilities?

@everyone: Calling it right now folks. SiN and NS are the remaining scum. SiN for obvious reasons and NS for the threat to hammer.

Do I think the threat to hammer and request for claim scummy? No, but notice that NS states intention to hammer AFTER Conman comes back with more scummy posts and get's another vote on him from Mala. After that SK comes on and puts the vote on Conman. Something to think about....AFTER we lynch SiN that is.

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To finish my thought above>>>
No, but notice that NS states intention to hammer AFTER Conman comes back with more scummy posts and get's another vote on him from Mala. After that SK comes on and puts the vote on Conman.

No way NS gets away with hammering Slandaar now without giving everyone and their mother the big ole scum-vibe. I say he saw the wave that was his buddies lynch coming and stood off to the side waving goodbye.

Something to think about....AFTER we lynch SiN that is.

That's what I meant to write down.

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Btw, I realize that calling NS scum would me no scum on conman's wagon. I'm ok with that.

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Well luckily I'm right about you, being right or wrong about NS can be talked about later.

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^that

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The SiN train is boarding. All aboard!

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If slandaar is scum, why would conman, who knew he had lots of heat that prob would never go away, go for bussing his partner who was playing at the very least less scummy. Now friend, noob-scum conman voted for the mislynch. I'll believe that till a lylo situation where slandaar is still alive. At such a point, I'd have to reconsider

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Highly doubtful dun is scum at this time. He could have easily explained a Slandaar hammer or waiting for NS to hammer Slandaar as NS had stated. Scum-Dun literally had no good reason to bus Conman when Slandaar was all but lynched.

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Huh, so you are right. For some reason I had it in my head that NS wasn't voting....good call and fits my scum-team read perfectly!

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What's your thoughts on SiN gorgon?

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Wow, how can you and I have totally opposite reads if we're both town? It's a solid thought process, but I see SiN and NS being much more suspect.

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Fine, I'll let someone else lead today. I'll just go for the most popular wagon.
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Slandaar, reads on SiN, NS and qwints at this point in the game?

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Well, I'll wait for Slandaar to respond before following you blindly. I still find it hard to believe that both wagons D1 were scum and both very close to being lynched. I mean, it's not like it was L-1 and L-3, it was L-1 and L-1.

I'm also not sure what to think of your eagerness to be lynched when I don't even see you on the table right now.

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Let's say Slandaar flips scum, does that make you town the rest of the game? How bout if you flipped scum, would that make Slandaar town?

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I'll follow you down this little brick road d3x.
VOTE: Slandaar
I still think it's unlikely that both him and Conman are scum due to the wagons and closeness of lynch for d1, but if Conman weren't in this game, your case is very compelling. I won't stand in the way of a good case because the odds don't make sense.

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Why do I get the feeling that qwints is scummy in every game he plays?
VOTE: qwints

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Grrr....slandaar needs more votes. Qwints last few posts give me a town vibe. I can also see the scenario in which slandaar and dun are the remaining scum. I can see other scenarios, but we can travel down this road for today.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: slandaar

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Prod received. I just read the last 2.5 pages and 75% of it was noise.

Really, now.

I'm going to have to carefully reread SiN because I think the interactions there with Conman need to be examined.

Ignoring d3x's thoughts on slandaar/dun completely then? Ugh! Why is everyone so damned scummy?!

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SK: Cuz it's a solid case worth talking about maybe? Maybe if more than qwints, slandaar, and myself added their imput on it, it may work itself out? Maybe cuz we have no pressure on anyone and that case is just as good a place to start as any? Maybe because ignoring posts is scummy (at least imo it is). Also, why pop on just to say random crap (p679) and not really do anything other than say what's being done is 'noise'?

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NS: the way you say you "KNOW" sk is town makes my scumdar go crazy...

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It's early, we caught scum d1, so I'm willing to actually buy that for a day. Guess that means slandaar, dun, or SiN are good lynched for me today. I'm giving d3x benefit of the meta for now, I may need to consider my ability to read qwints as poor and I think mala town.

@all: let's concentrate on the 3 I listed above to lynch today. Betting at the very least we'll find one possibly both scum in the mix.

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Aaaaaamnnnmddddd

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VOTE: SiN

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SiN needs more votes due to his p696.

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Rofl, what do you make of SiN's apparent drunk rant of con being town?

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That was one quick wagon on mala and I have a town read on her....

I do disagree with waiting for the other mason to claim. I don't think it hurts town for them to claim.

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rofl: could you sum up your case on mala for me? I'm interested in why you think she needs more votes.

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I'll post here tomorrow.

Oh yeah, and lynch all liars.

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No, but I'm curious as to why you point out Mala's p754 as obviously scummy, but ignore SiN's p696 completely when it's waaaay more scummy than Mala's. SiN/rofl scum team?

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Seeing if your case was valid or crap...I think its crap.

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You should push for a wagon on me then.

I'm actually just more annoyed you're taking focus away from me trying to get SiN lynched. I'll try a different approach. Why do you think SiN is town and not scum?

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OK, I have no clue who scum is now....sigh. I want the remaining mason to claim right now if that person thinks that someone jumped on them for a bogus reason. I say this because if they said something that one or 2 people tried to jump on as scummy, that reduces the lynch pool to those 1 or 2 people. So,

@the remaining mason: Please look through the game and see if anyone tried to exaggerate a case on you out of seemingly nothing. If you see something that looks even remotely like scum trying to get a case going on you, claim and point it out (unless it's me as I'm uber-town and I think I've accused everyone of being scum at some point). If nobody has really come after you at all, stay quiet.

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Why do we assume that we have a protection role exactly??

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Well, mala is now at L-2. I hate being wrong but I should stop tunneling I guess. Let's pretend Mala is town for a second, If I put her at L-1 and somebody hammered, who would be the scum on her wagon?

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Saint Kerrigan, roflcopter, Nobody Special, Gorgon, (me), (hammerer)

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well, my question was a hypothetical one to begin with. I don't intend to vote you. I need to go back through the case without my tunnel vision glasses on. I don't like the lurking in this game though. I didn't even realize qwints was still in this game.

That thought made me read his ISO...yeah, based on my town reads and his votes thus far, I'm thinking if scum were bussing Con, it's probably Qwints.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Qwints

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Mason should claim. With a probable vig in the mix, I'd hate to see the other mason get shot accidentally. I highly doubt town has all the PRs we see plus a protective role. If mason does claim, scum will have to choose between him/her or NS or SK.

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I'm too good. Totally called mala being town. Get on the ball, follow me, and vote qwints.

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I actually find mala's claim fairly hard to believe - why would a mason draw attention to herself by arguing against a mason claim? But, in the absence of a counterclaim she's conf-town. The mason should claim today because the Huntress kill looks like a scum-hunting kill. That doesn't necessarily mean vig after a D1 scum lynch, but why risk losing a potentially conf-town at this point? In addition, the mason claim almost has to come before Lylo.

what? So you see that the mason claimed then go on to talk about how you think the mason should claim...? I'm honestly confused here.

Also, rofl took over for dun who was critical in getting conman lynched. Slandaar could have easily gotten rope. The only way I see rofl being scum is if slandaar is scum with him and the D1 lynch was between 2 scum with con being the obviously weaker lynch.

Yeah, I like a qwints lynch today. The only thing that gives me pause is his apparent lack of caring about what he writes which is actually a town-tell...

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we have just over 2 days left and I don't think rofl is a good lynch. Hell, I'd rather Slandaar die than rofl. If I had my way it would be qwints or Gorgon today.

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I forgot about SiN. Was gonna add him to my list, but after I ISO'd him, he made a really good point on absta's slot. So, unless people get active soon, I'll go ahead and put rofl at L-1.
VOTE: rofl

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Final comments are AtE? What are your suggestions for tomorrow if you do indeed flip town? Who's the scum on your wagon?

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As is SiN, d3x, and Slandaar. Yeah, I'd prefer to lynch Qwints as well. SiN brought up a good point about Conman and his relation to your slot though, so I'd have come after you later anyway.

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...Yup, ok with switching to slandaar. In fact I'll switch my vote now just in case everyone else gets on and feels the same. If not, I'll switch back to rofl before deadline.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: slandaar

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It's SiNs p615, ISO p44 that's makes me think rofls slot is scum.

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Slandaar: mala claimed the other mason. Nobody counter claimed. Still "quite like the mala wagon"?

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What posts make you say gorgon and d3x aren't buddies? Why qwints as second scum? Why did you like the mala wagon if you think d3x and qwints are scum?

Too many holes in your post. This is why I'm good lynching you.

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Why do you expect me to read your posts when you aren't going to give this game a proper read yourself? Are you also saying that before Mala claimed you thought the scum team was d3x/Mala? No wait, you thought it was Gorgon/d3x till Gorgon's p706. Oh snap, you only just now mentioned anything about Qwints being scummy (your p846). Before that, the only mention you gave Qwints was in p657 where you called him town. Care to explain the change in your read on Qwints? It certainly can't be for lurking as he could have been just as busy as you.

Alright guys, I now strongly suggest we lynch Slandaar over rofl. rofl can wait. Gorgon and SiN, you've voted Slandaar in the past, what has changed your minds about him?

@d3x: Why do I ever doubt you? oh yeah, you thought Conman was town...but still.

@Rofl: Slandaar says you're town. What is your read on Slandaar?

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D3x very likely isn't scum. I know d3x very well and he would have bussed the hell out of conman from the start. Could he change up his meta? Sure, but that would only get him town cred from me where bussing conman would give him town cred from everyone.

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He actually did in a previous post of his. Bah, you may be right about him. Going back to my logic of not having 2 scum wagons d1. Guess rofl has to go.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: rofl

L-1 again

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Now THAT is funny. Made me ROFL.

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Shit. After I lol'd at the absurdity of lynching me, I realize that there is no way rofl posts that as scum. I'd rather no lynch than lynch rofl. If we can't agree on another lynch by deadline, then I say we don't lynch today. There is just no way I see scum posting p863 this close to being lynched.
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The fact that you only had me at semi-town just makes me think you aren't paying attention. Do you think rofl posts his desire for town to follow up with my lynch as a scum move?

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I don't, so why go through with a mis-lynch just because we need a lynch. I'm good with qwints as well.

VOTE: qwints

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Yeah, I'm pretty torn at this stage. I don't like the lurking with someone about to be lynched. In my experience, its a nice sign of a mislynch about to happen. I understand how it looks and if rofl is posting about going after someone after he's dead, that's a good sign he's town. I also didn't think that his slot was scummy. Some posts changed that and some more changed it back.

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Yeah, that's a hammer d3x

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So Rofl, that was a quick turn around yeah? If you are scum, you played that terrifically, but alas, I explained what changed my mind. Hope Qwints flips scum....

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there is no sk in this game

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Yup

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I'd like slandaar then sin to claim first, gorgon then NS, then d3x after that. Then NS and then sk. I'll go last as I'm so obviously town it hurts.

Also, I'm dumbfounded of anyone that doesn't think I'm obv town. I was the major contributer to getting both con and qwints lynched. More later when I'm at my computer.

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Actually, above all, I think the Vig should claim first whoever they are. Then follow down that list.

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Cuz I'm 2 for 2 in this game. My best game evah. It's also the reason I think I should claim last. Last scum knows I'm town and now knows everyone else should know I'm town. I think it's best to get it out there so I can claim last. I'm going through vote history now though, so my order I wish people to claim may be different. I do like a SiN claim first though.

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Sin, Gorgon, d3x. I'm damn near 100% sure that scum is in that group due to D1 and D2 votes.

The slandaar wagon was almost Conman's saving grace. I don't see slandaar being scum mostly due to Conman parking his vote on Slandaar when it looked like he was gonna live another day by having Slandaar die. Qwints rode Conman most of D1, so not much to gather there. Gut tells me SiN is our last scum. If he's not, then the votes point to Gorgon.

D2's vote counts points to SiN from what I can see. It's really hard to tell due to his lurkiness though.

So claim order imo should look like this:
SiN, Gorgon, d3x, Slandaar, NS, SK, me.

I left rofl out due to him claiming VT already.

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By the way the slandaar wagon caught speed. I think 2 scum were on it.

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The day 1 votes point to you sin or d3x

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By you posting, I assume you're not the vig then? I want that person to claim first

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Cool. Claims won't come quickly I'm guessing since SiN is hoping to lurk his way through this game. If he doesn't come on and claim by Friday, go ahead and claim Gorgon.

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I think there's more likelihood of a SK than a Vig.

Why?

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TheConman17

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Mafia 1xBulletProof Goon

Huntress

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Town Mason

havingfitz

- Vanilla Townie

qwints

- Mafia Goon

Malakittens

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Town Mason

rofl:-------------- VT
SiN:-------------- VT
d3x:------------- VT
Slandaar:------- VT
Gorgon:--------- ??
NS:--------------- ??
SK:--------------- ??
Kthx:------------- ??

Tis what we have so far if I'm not mistaken. I'll speculate on PR's after we all claim.

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SK can claim last if she'd like. I have to say I'm disappointed that nobody claimed Vig....Could I be wrong about there being a Vig??

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go now then since you're online

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I know, but with the N1 kill and no N2 kill....

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TheConman17

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Mafia 1xBulletProof Goon

Huntress

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Town Mason

havingfitz

- Vanilla Townie

qwints

- Mafia Goon

Malakittens

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Town Mason

rofl:-------------- VT
SiN:-------------- VT
d3x:------------- VT
Slandaar:------- VT
Gorgon:--------- VT
NS:--------------- ??
SK:--------------- VT
Kthx:------------- ??

Tis what we have so far if I'm not mistaken. I'll speculate on PR's after we all claim.

Updated

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^that

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Bah, just read through NS's ISO and I totally believe him to be a cop. No way he's scum with his postings on Conman. I'll update the list with what he's prolly gonna claim and what I believe him to be so that we can all move on and discuss.

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TheConman17

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Mafia 1xBulletProof Goon

Huntress

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Town Mason

havingfitz

- Vanilla Townie

qwints

- Mafia Goon

Malakittens

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Town Mason

rofl:-------------- VT
SiN:-------------- VT
d3x:------------- VT
Slandaar:------- VT
Gorgon:--------- VT
NS:---------------

Cop

SK:--------------- VT
Kthx:-------------

Odd Night Vig

Tis what we have so far if I'm not mistaken. I'll speculate on PR's after we all claim.

Updated

Final

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So, as it stands, we 1 Cop, 1 limited Vig, and 2 Masons (4 PR). Scum have 1 limited scum role, 1 regular goon, and 1 unknown scum (1 PR known)

My limited PR and Con's limited PR kinda cancel each other out leaving 3 town PR's with no more scum PR's? Nope.

I believe the last scum (assuming 3) MUST have a PR. The likely possibilities are God Father or Role Blocker imo. We'll know which soon as NS tells us if he got a result last night. No result = RB, result = GF. I honestly hope he got no result last night because I'd like to cross SK off the list of suspects.

Now, I've been away awhile, so I don't know if it's out of the question for scum to have a 4-man team or not. Town does seem heavy on the PR's tbh. Thoughts?

So, for lynchable suspects my list goes like this:

Scummy

Sin
Gorgon
d3x
Slandaar
rofl
SK

Townie

Will have to re-read and things could change if NS did get a result last night.


p.edit: I killed Huntress N1. She seemed so scummy. The only bad call I've made this game IMO

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SK: So 1 more scum AND even night SK? If that were the case, why no kill N2? Possible, but on the 'our mod is fuckin crazy' scale...

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I'm still more inclined to think GF or RB. I think that would balance it out pretty closely.

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TheConman17

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Mafia 1xBulletProof Goon

Huntress

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Town Mason

havingfitz

- Vanilla Townie

qwints

- Mafia Goon

Malakittens

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Town Mason

rofl:-------------- VT
SiN:-------------- VT
d3x:------------- VT
Slandaar:------- VT
Gorgon:--------- VT
NS:---------------

Cop

SK:--------------- VT
Kthx:-------------

Odd Night Vig

Tis what we have so far if I'm not mistaken. I'll speculate on PR's after we all claim.

Updated

Final

Reposting to put at the top of the page for easy reference.

p.edit: Possible. Either way he's town. Don't wish to waste time speculating HIS role.

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I really hope NS claims hider. We'd have 2 conf town then.

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Everyone list their top 2 town reads of the claimed vt's please.

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Mine are rofl and probably d3x.

so minus sk:
gorgon - III
slandaar - II
rofl - III
sin - II
d3x - III

Missing SiN's but meh, I think he's scum. I purpose we lynch SiN, Vig Slandaar, Vig Gorgon. Lynch d3x next day. That leaves rofl and SK, my 2 top town reads. Barring SK being a scum PR that weaponsmith doesn't catch, I'd say we're good to go. That list is based on game not being over after we lynch SiN.

If you agree, lets get this started. Not much to debate if we fly through that list. I'll Vig the Gorgon. I'm not opposed to NS switching up the d3x and Slandaar order. Either way, if we hit nothing but town today/tonight, the only way that it doesn't work is if rofl or SK are the last scum. In that case, great job.

If scum would like to save themselves some time and just get this over with, feel free to out yourself.

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Only way its not is if NS gets rb'd and there is a nk. Doesn't prove anyone's innocence and if NS gets nk'd we won't know if he was blocked.

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NS: rb gorgon tonight. I'll vig someone.

Everyone: get this party started and lynch SiN

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Cuz I thought I was.
VOTE: SiN

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That should be death

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And the ass kissing line staaaaaaaaaarts... here!

Gg all! Well played. Thx for believing in me Kthx.

I even told AP in my pm that I was gonna trust in my homey. Lol

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Was it obv to anyone else that Kthx was the Vig trying to draw a FakeClaim during the MCs?

Painfully so...

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Huntress, you're on the money with p540