Mini Normal 1460 - Normalville Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Elyse

[Nachomamma8]

Ugh

I feel like trying something different...

I want everyone to answer these;
What is your favourite alignment and why?
What is your favourite role and why?

Me; I like being a town neighbour because I enjoy having a thread to scumhunt in during the night; gives me something to do; and I prefer the scumhunting aspect of the game over the imascumbag side hence town neighbour.

I guess neighbour isn't actually a role but meh I am counting it.

Oh Slaandy.

Oh, I thought we were on RVS. Sorry.

VOTE: NO LYNCH

This was strange. What was this about?

Only town is so eager to put out scumreads this early in the game, half expecting/hoping they would be right in order to boast with them at the end of the game.

"Only town" makes it sound so definite. Although I do agree with the townread.

Also, I voted no lynch because I don't believe in Day 1 lynches. Don't make much sense to me. I'm more much more keen on analyzing Night 1's kill choice that trying to see through people's reasons and motives behind every vote on Day 1, which are mostly based on RVS reactions and bandwagoning, so...

And reading people as scum because it can totally happen on Day 1.

The way Baezu jumps on this "easy" bait I find scummier than publicly daring to take a stance you'll know very few people will agree with.

Weren't you just calling Baezu super town just five minutes ago?

Day 1 -> Mislynch :: Night 1 -> Scummies will cover it up pretty well given the Day 1 BW's and whatnot, which leads to Day 2 -> Mislynch again, which leads to Night 2 -> ANOTHER dead townie. HOPEFULLY, no important informative PR's will be killed and they'll have enough tells to start pointing fingers at actual scumpeople in a way that puts the rest of the Townies behind the bandwagon.

That's not how it happens here. Sometimes we lynch scum D1, D2, and D3. It's a serious mistake to rely on informative roles when we have people who are already pretty good at catching scum all around you.

My vote for Elyse was because I didn't realize the RVS had ended.

Are you voting Grim over a theoretical difference?

I'm torn. While I mentioned that gut off-ness about BP's posts, I completely disagree with Red Dragon and Baezu here. I really, really don't think BP's wanting to NL is indicative of his alignment either way; I haven't gone through his other games (if he has any) but his convictions here make it seem like an idea he stands by as town and one he would present as part of a town meta if he was scum. I don't think being difficult regarding mathematical logic is a scumtell. In fact, I'd expect scum to be even more flip-floppy than town in this case; scum loves to appease the town.

You waffled very hard here. Is he town or scum? You sort of jumped to his defense, but you didn't figure out his alignment.

Reading through I agree with Slandaar about thegooner's explanation for his vote on me. That stood out like a sore thumb.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: thegooner

@Grizzle
Any chance of a tl;dr of your walls?

You skimmed hard, huh?

In my town pile for now:
Red Dragon
BP
Grimgrove

Looking like scum:
thegooner
Future

Looking for a direction:
Darthe
Slandaar

Null: the rest

Vote: thegooner

Thanks for being useless!'

Baezu does seem bloodthirsty.

Being willing to hammer on page 5 does not seem very townie.

this is pretty opportunistic, Elyse.

Caps-level pissed off that my post got deleted.

Are you going to continue complaining about it, or are you going to do something for the rest of the gameday?

I was going to respond to Baezu but BP took the words right out of my mouth.

So yeah thegooner and Future are good lynches ATM.

What are your opinions on everyone else?

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Future

This one can die, yeah.

[Nachomamma8]

Well, I just want to prompt anyone from hammering Future. It's unwise to do so this early.

If you don't want a quickhammer and you don't trust the playerlist not to do so without you telling them, unvote.

Thanks for being useless!'

Perpetrating the stereotype...why?
Why was it useless to give my scumreads and townreads. And why has no one else that has done so been labeled useless?

Because you hadn't provided everything of interest before that point, and you provided that list like it was somehow content. A lack of anything beforehand or even so much as a glimpse into your thought process made that list useless.

I think a "concern for life" would be something scum has more than town.

Not when you're concerned you'll be nightkilled as opposed to being lynched.

I feel like you aren't interacting with anyone in this game.

And you feel you are?

Future are the two scummiest people.

Have you commented on this before?

At this point I think future needs to be hammered as well - for better or worse.

I disagree. There's still plenty of time left in the day.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't think scum would risk pissing me off like that.

Why not? What makes you such a threat to scum in this playerlist?

Bullshit. <b>unvote vote sunnydays </b>

Quicktopic bold?

Sunny days is town, though.

Vote: Elyse

Ran out of time but I'll post something that isn't so pitiful in a moment.

[Nachomamma8]

Replacement comes in and makes an unfeasible claim. This is a normal, his role is bullshit.
Ohh jesus, he misread his role pm must be town.

With the vanilla role PM in mind, do you really, really think that he was trying to claim "vanilla at the moment but I might have hidden powers I can find in thread"? Because if you do, you're probably scum that feels cheated out of your delicious mislynch.

I don't think scum would risk pissing me off like that.

Why not? What makes you such a threat to scum in this playerlist?

Getting worried already? I see no reason at all why I should answer this question, and even less reasons why you should be asking this question.
You weren't PR-fishing, were you?

Bluntly, because I have no idea who you are and I'm wagering that Elyse doesn't either. So there's no real reason why she should be afraid of pissing you off this game.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Red Dragon

[Nachomamma8]

Nachomamma, what is your opinion on Darthe?

town, obv

[Nachomamma8]

why am I scummy?

[Nachomamma8]

why am I scummy?

Unexplained votes, promise to contribute when you really haven't that much, gut.

Lame.

hai pappa

[Nachomamma8]

wait unexplained vote(s)?
what's that about?

[Nachomamma8]

and i promised to eventually make a post that didn't suck
eventually isn't necessarily here yet, Elyse.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Elyse

[Nachomamma8]

Saying too much and being too townie and getting NKed?? Or is it the opposite?? Come on <3 And since you're here individually and because I just REALLY like this game's posts/players in particular - it just really motivates me, only 500 popcorn has done this to me before.

shhhh
don't kill my vibe

i don't ever play the bandwagon game
i'm not playing the bandwagon game now

[Nachomamma8]

Oh cool. Unexplained vote #2.

I think it's the same unexplained vote though so it doesn't count as two, does it?

[Nachomamma8]

Nachos, what are your reads on one another and why?

Pappa's town. He hates playing scum and ends up lurking like a motherfucker whenever he rolls it. If he's scum, it'd be an academy award level performance to his normal play.

[Nachomamma8]

What vibe? The "super scummy" vibe?

Nacho

Don't you shush me

Don't do this to me now

And #427: stop clowning around

I write this with love, you know that

there's no super scummy vibe that can be killed. a super scummy vibe lives on and on and on, but this vibe comes in and out like the tide. be gentle with it, please.

[Nachomamma8]

love you two <333333

[Nachomamma8]

i am a sinner
who's probably gonna sin again

lord forgive me
lord forgive me
for things I don't understand

sometimes I like to be alone...

[Nachomamma8]

Just because I voted no lynch doesn't mean that I'm necessarily new to the game, FYI.

This is a weird sentence.

If you believe that D1 lynches are bad and explained why, what's the need of this last statement? It's a little preemptive, like you don't really believe in it yourself and know others will pounce on you for it.

I didn't think that you would posture so hard on things, Elyse. Not to mention that this attack doesn't even come close to making sense; people called him newb a shitton after he suggested no lynch, he was offended, he wanted to get his credibility back. But you somehow warped it into him not believing in his own idea (what) and knew that people would attack him because the idea he didn't believe in was bad (what???).

Reading through I agree with Slandaar about thegooner's explanation for his vote on me. That stood out like a sore thumb.

Of course you would jump all over a badly explained vote for you.

Baezu does seem bloodthirsty.

Being willing to hammer on page 5 does not seem very townie.

This is what we call a potshot back in my hometown. For the rest of you, opportunistic posturing might get your goat a little more.

It's a bit early to be declaring you are town in caps. You have one vote on you. Why are you acting like you are about to be lynched or NK'd? Do you think you are that much of a priority for scum to kill?

There's so much wrong with the post Elyse quoted and "declaring you are town in all caps" is not even close to cutting it.

I was going to respond to Baezu but BP took the words right out of my mouth.

So yeah thegooner and Future are good lynches ATM.

Future? Where did the want for a Future lynch come from because you sure as hell didn't hint to that in your posts...?
Oh, right. He had a sizeable wagon on him by this point.

I feel like you aren't interacting with anyone in this game. You mention posts that seem off and that's it.

Elyse, this is your play to a T.

3. I'm not going to give out a whole list of reads but Grim is very town to me and thegooner and Future are the two scummiest people.

These reads are the farthest thing from special, unique, real. She just took three common reads and repeated them.

I still think thegooner is scummier than Future but I 100% support a Future lynch. I still want to give both of them time to actually interact with others.

Future might be a better lynch anyway because Darthe has been tippy-toeing around his lynch and subtly trying to stall it. If Future is scum it would be very telling.

Future lynch is better because a player she doesn't suspect has acted weird around it? That doesn't come close to making any sort of sense.

@Nacho
I don't know him, but his point is that as scum, I wouldn't want to piss off town. I don't really follow that logic but his logic does not require me knowing who he is.

I'm prodding Grimm's townread of Elyse, and Elyse is quick to explain the point to me.
That doesn't sit right with me at all.

I think RedDragon is bluffing or something.

He says that he's willing to be lynched, but then asks if we want him to claim? What's that about? If you want to be lynched, what's the point of claiming and possibly stalling your lynch?

Elyse actually believing that RedDragon WANTED to be lynched regardless of alignment is scummy as all fuck. Essentially, her problem with RD is that he's stalling his own lynch and that's a BIG problem.

Uh your vote on me?

Elyse noticed my vote on her, thought it was scummy because it didn't have an explanation.
Didn't mention that or try to get me to explain my vote until I asked her why I was scummy.
Doesn't mesh well at all.

Wait Nachopappa are you thegooner's replacement

Missed her strongest scumread getting replaced? Really...?

Oh cool. Unexplained vote #2.

Yeah Nacho and RD are my top two lynches for today.

I'm scum for another unexplained vote on her, but she still doesn't ask my reasoning.
And why did gooner leave the suspect list?

[Nachomamma8]

I see what you mean, but I think RD is scum, so yes, I want him to jump.

but you don't want him to self-vote.

Alright so before I delve into this, I can already tell this is a shit case where you go through all of my posts and nitpick rather than actually find one or two big reasons as to why I'm scum. But I'll humor you anyway.

BIG REASONS:
1) Bullshit reasoning
2) Opportunistic timing
3) Bad trajectory that doesn't make any sort of sense whatsoever

[Nachomamma8]

Really? BP seemed to think what I said was justified:

I didn't and just because BP didn't pick up on it didn't mean that I'm going to let it slide for no reason.

This is a prime example of you sifting through my posts and bullshitting stuff. Thegooner's vote for me was RVS, but it was after RVS had ended and he felt the need to explain it was RVS when no one even questioned it. It was just really weird and cautionary. I didn't "jump all over an unexplained vote on me", as you misrepped.

It was a badly explained vote, yes.

Where are you going with this exactly? Am I supposed to ignore someone wanting to lynch on Page 5 or just let it go? I'm not voting him or saying "OMG YOU'RE SCUMZ" so I don't see how it's opportunistic.

You're testing the waters for a lynch: if you really thought he was pushing for a lynch on Page 5, then you would be a hell of a lot more suspicious of him than just tossing out a throwaway comment on him.

So are you saying that I didn't explain well enough why the post I quoted was bad? Once again, this is terrible. It is not scummy in any way for me to do that. And as a matter of fact, why don't you explain it so well?

You picked up on things that weren't really alignment indicative at all. It's not that you didn't "explain it well enough"; it's that you were explaining things that didn't matter. And yes, it just so happens that it IS alignment indicative since it's scum's job to pick up on shit that doesn't matter and convince town that it does.

No, it's not. I was sick for the beginning of the game and now I'm contributing and interacting. This post was literally your first non-shit post (actually it still is shit but at least you tried?), so you can't say a damn thing.

NOW you are contributing and interacting. You weren't then.
But still you criticized people for doing things that you were doing, and that's scummy as fuck.

Am I supposed to have unique reads or something? Am I not allowed to agree with the general consensus? Your logic is terribly flawed.

Yes. You should have something moderately interesting or new or else you're doing nothing more than sheeping, doing nothing original, probably scum. You in particular are a good enough player where you don't have any excuse for having three unoriginal reads at that point in the game.

Darthe was trying to subtly stall his lynch. What don't you get about that?

But you didn't suspect Darthe.
Meaning that you were using Darthe's behavior to push a lynch on Future.
But you didn't suspect Darthe.

I THINK HE'S SCUM. AND HE SAID HE WANTED TO BE LYNCHED. I'M CALLING HIS BLUFF.

he said to lynch him so scum could be caught off his wagon tomorrow
then he asked if he wanted to claim
you accused him of stalling his own lynch
and that is horrible

Oh sorry I forgot it was my job to pull reasons for your votes out of you.

That's not your job. Your job is to question things you find scummy, bring them up when you see them. You didn't.

Yeah, and? Am I scum for missing that?

Yes. It's hard for me to believe that town misses their top scumread getting replaced since townies usually care about their top scumread at least a little bit, and you missing that completely shows that you didn't really care that much at all.

I was waiting for "eventually" and you kept brushing me off. The fact that you are trying to make ME look scummy for YOU not providing reasons is laughable.

It is laughable. It's also not what I said.
So let's laugh about it together!

Nachopoppa has seemed town to me.

You didn't mention that before. Why not?

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It was directed at BP and BP knew what I meant. I don't care about what you think of it.

But that's not a response if the point of this wall war is to address my concerns and me yours.

I don't go directly and try to lynch someone for everything they do.

That's not what I accused you of. It's just strange you had such a weak response to someone trying to spring for a lynch on Page 5. Is explaining an RVS after the fact really scummier than that for you?

Again, why don't YOU explain it? And what I explained DID matter.

I'm not explaining it because it's not my suspicion. Why does wacky capitalization equal scum?

YOU ARE DOING THE SAME DAMN THING. And I had an excuse. I was sick. Do you want a doctor's note? I'm not going to not point out something I see as scummy just because other people think I'm doing it.

No, it's not. I was sick for the beginning of the game and now I'm contributing and interacting. This post was literally your first non-shit post (actually it still is shit but at least you tried?), so you can't say a damn thing.

You're not going to stop pointing out things you find scummy just because you're also doing it; why do you expect me to behave differently? Also, the point wasn't that you were lurky. I never cared about that. All I was noting was the hypocrisy.

But Future's lynch would have helped me determine Darthe's alignment.

If Future was scum, sure. If Future was town... wouldn't really give you much, would it?

No, he said to lynch him to make sure that we don't let SunnyDays off the hook for his entrance into the game. He said that we shouldn't have abandoned an L-1 wagon like that.

This doesn't help your case at all.

I didn't see the mod's post. People miss posts all the time. It's not alignment indicative.

When it pertains to your top scumread, it sort of is.

[Nachomamma8]

Elyse, what are your current reads?

[Nachomamma8]

nacho's case seems abstract, Elyse gives me an overrall more town feel.

My case is that Elyse suspicions on Gooner and Future were both opportunistic. In the first, Slandaar attacked Gooner because of his vote on Elyse, and Elyse latched onto a strong player and sheeped him. In the second, Future got a sizeable wagon on him, Elyse called Baezu (who was trying to lynch future) scummy because of his attack, then suddenly Future joins Elyse's suspect list for no reason.

Next, Elyse has apparently had a townread on Nachopappa, which contradicts her gooner scumread, and apparently has had a scumread on me for a while. The scumread on me came up after she was questioned about me, and the townread on Nachopappa came up after I asked her why she dropped her Gooner scumread. I don't like the timing of either of them.

Then there's her posturing to jump on wagons with potshots, hypocrisy, lynching a lesser scumread with a bigger wagon because she feels one player she doesn't suspect is avoiding the wagon... It's not abstract at all. Hard to follow since the case has come through bickering walls, but certainly not abstract. Why do you disagree?

[Nachomamma8]

I'm not going to list all of my reads. I don't like doing that. My top scumreads are you and RD.

You hate doing it, but I haven't seen you refuse to give a reads list before. Why start now?

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho explain your initial Elyse vote

Gut.

[Nachomamma8]

I do it a lot actually.

Examples?

OK good so it was a serious vote, so how much had you read before making the wall and voting Future?

Elyse's ISO to that point. I have a recent town baseline from her and I figured she'd be easy to read based off that, and she didn't read town.

[Nachomamma8]

Elyse, what are your current reads?

Same question for you, thank you!

Pappa, Sunny, Grimm, Darthe are all town as fuck.
I lean town on Ztife and Red Dragon and whoever the fuck replaces BP.
I don't really think that Baezu is scum. Peregrine and Elyse can die whenever and chernobyl will be reanalyzed when I get there because he's the last one left but he doesn't really look like scum either.

I'll answer that last question myself: I don't think it does. Mind you, he could be right, but what I see is no scumhunting from Nachomamma's part, it's a tunnel. This tunnel might lead us to scum, but this tunnel might also be his easy way out of a thight spot. Making a case against one person is easy. You ISO them, you nitpcik on their posts, put everything in a bad light, and put the attention on them. That's why I asked about Nachomamma's reads on others. I want to find out if he really did try to find scum, or if he decided to focus on Elyse from the start in case he'd get in trouble himself.

You're pointing out scumhunting in general; the only difference between me attacking one person and multiple is me limiting my options as scum and getting better reactions as town.

which he chooses to read in the worst possible light.

What's the difference between Ztife choosing to interpret that post in the worst possible light and him just interpreting it that way?

He responds to this in 170 by a complete misrep of me and by asking me hordes of questions that have already been answered. This proved for me he hadn't really read the topic, or caught up as he promised on the 14th of June and pretended to deliver on the 17th of June.

He said that he hadn't read as closely as he should have. I don't really find missing things to be a scumtell because it happens all the time.

He admits to only be interested in BP, while at the same time admitting he hasn't taken a closer look to other posts. This hints at a bias from the very start of the game, because why would he decide to take a closer look at BP's posts and not at others? He had 3-4 days of catching up, yet all he managed to do was read BP's posts?

The only thing that particularly interests me at the moment is Elyse. When reading the thread, her posts stand out to me. That doesn't mean that's all I've read, it means the thing that stands out to me most is her.

Nacho they're right that you haven't given your complete current reads at any point during this game. Why don't you just do it? Are you playing chicken?

I haven't been asked for them and I've seen no reason to give them because they aren't really that solid.

I'll respond to the quote wall soon. It's just so tedious and arguing with someone you like takes the fun out of it for me.

I don't like it either, but when you're scum, it has to be done

And it feels like he's just repeating "yeah, but you were town at first" (how did he get a baseline town read on you - why doesnt he feel the need to explain anything??? beats me)

I didn't get a baseline town read on her, which was the problem.

I just feel like a whipping boy this game and there's really nothing I can do.

You can catch scum. Or maybe give me links on meta where you had to fight off strong pressure so I can compare a bit.

Grim, it seems you and I agree on elyse. Would you be willing to vote her today? I will vote with you on ztife tomorrow.

oh fuck this shit

And once the pressure dissipated, he went back to lurking 2+ days and counting.

baby you're in like 10 games with me you know the difference between me being busy and me avoiding a thread
and are you really lynching me for low activity...?

I'm not really sure why I need to defend myself. Like I said before, I can be very helpful for town.

what the hell is this

[Nachomamma8]

Ztife and Slandaar both get STRONG townreads, Baezu downgraded to scum, don't really think Elyse is so much scum anymore. Chernobyl is looking a *little* better, not sold, but still looking better. I'm probably wrong about one of Dragon/BP, leaning more BP.

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: Baezu

man, this feels good.

Replacement comes in and makes an unfeasible claim. This is a normal, his role is bullshit.
Ohh jesus, he misread his role pm must be town.

With the vanilla role PM in mind, do you really, really think that he was trying to claim "vanilla at the moment but I might have hidden powers I can find in thread"? Because if you do, you're probably scum that feels cheated out of your delicious mislynch.

I agree with nacho here, definitely thinking gooner/dragon scumteam.

Grimmgroove, this is for you.
You see how he's agreeing with me and my scumteam call? I point something like this out to him, and that should be a

gotcha

moment; I love when people click with me and have similar reads to me. And who doesn't?

Of course there is scum on your wagon. It's a matter of probability. But what does that mean? That my vote is not on scum? We will find the scum in this game- don't you worry. The face was because I didn't like your comment. I'm not being hypocritical. Gooner still looks more scummy to me.

Then there's this, which is Baezu's reaction to a member of his hypothetical scumteam, and it's a reaction that is absolutely shit. Self-voting is very polarizing; people usually find it town as fuck, scum as fuck, or aggravatingly somewhere in the middle. Baezu says that and is like "well of course there's scum on your wagon! Gooner is scummier though", and if that's a genuine reaction coming from town then I'll eat the dirty sponge sitting next to me.

Slandaar and CCB, could you please give some reason as to why you think I'm scum. More specifically Slandaar, why has your opinion of me changed? You were pretty convinced I was town in the beginning of the game.

I love when people zero in on someone's read switch specifically on them but not on read switches on anyone else. It's beautiful because it comes from scum so much; there wasn't a wagon on him at this point in time so there was no reason to suspect anyone of opportunism so this shouldn't have been a big deal for him. But it was because he didn't want Slandaar to lose his townread on him, so he was trying to see what he was doing wrong, he was aiming for some good old fashioned damage control.

Seems like Nachomomma is on a lot of people's scum list. Why, then are so few people voting for him? You want him to make more meaningful comments, put some pressure on him.

VOTE: Nachomomma

And this is opportunistic as hell. "Oh, a lot of people suspect Nacho so I'm just going to vote him if that's cool."
He's fanning my wagon even though he doesn't agree with it at all, and that's not a town move at all. Town move would be to ask why people were pussyfooting around my wagon, calling them out on it, but no, Baezu is voting me because other people are suspecting me.

Ya, I'm REALLY feeling an ELyse/Darthe scum team based on the last two pages of posts

UNVOTE: Nachomamma

VOTE: Elyse

oh look scumteam call changes for no reason
votes Elyse because hell the wagon is gearing up and I'm scarier than I seemed before

Grim, it seems you and I agree on elyse. Would you be willing to vote her today? I will vote with you on ztife tomorrow.

but this is the piece de resistance
he just got done calling out an Elyse/Darthe scumteam.
meaning not only does he have a scum, but he has an association to an additional scum on top of that
but he offers to follow Grim tomorrow if he helps him lynch Elyse today, which is chaining lynches and inconsistent with what he's been talking about all game

[Nachomamma8]

I guess you better start eating sponges bc I'm town as fuck. Yes I am not a very good mafia player and I make a lot of mistakes but I'm learning and it doesn't make me scum. I'm honestly doing my best, I read every wall and every post. Sorry that things aren't just clear to me like they are to nachos and elyse. Sorry I don't have so much time to write walls of analysis. There's obviously nothing I can do to convince people I'm town. How can one disprove what isn't? All I can do is apologize and try harder in the future.

or you can talk about the things that I didn't like in your ISO instead of just appealing to emotion because that's just lame

[Nachomamma8]

sorry, lame isn't the right word.
i meant to say "scummy as fuck".

[Nachomamma8]

He's just picking on you. I don't see Nacho-town picking on your play like this

you're ignoring my reachout to you

[Nachomamma8]

I only stepped up my play in this game for you. I would've been fine being an enigma for a couple of days; I don't need to put in the time to get scum lynched, and original plan was to break out the insanity on day 2 or day 3, assuming I lived that long. Don't leave me out in the cold when I'm doing everything I do for you.

[Nachomamma8]

Why do you want to be an enigma

What, so you don't get NKed N1??

fuck no
i like different styles; being aggressive all the time in every game is draining as hell sometimes so I like switching it up
i replaced in, i wanted to switch it up a bit

Don't you sweet talk me

Don't you do this to me

I mean it

You are loved <3

I'm gonna get bombed tomorrow or today for being so flip-floppy befcause you're here and one minute I'm voting you, then I decide to sheep you, then I come back.

LOL

you won't get bombed tomorrow or I'll kill them all

I don't believe in your promises on breaking open on Day 2 or 3. You usually c an figure stuff out during DAY ONE

And then you can look at stuff and re-analyze if you're wrong about your reads.

I've seen you STEP UP IN DAY ONE.

that's not the promise
i'm not promising
i'm breaking the game RIGHT NOW

[Nachomamma8]

Why the hell are you reaching out to me here, as town. Why do you feel the need to reach out if you're really town. LEt your play speak for itself instead. YEah yeah yeah no.

I'm reaching out to you because you're you. You know that my scum play is competent enough where I could probably let it speak for itself regardless of alignment, but I don't care about that so much because YOU are my chosen heir when scum suddenly decide that I'm a threat and I can't take the mantle of killing all the scum anymore.

WHAT, BREKAING THE GAME

WHAT THE HELL

THEN WHY DID YOU SUMMON FREAKIN 4 VOTES ALREADY

That doesn't have to do with breaking the game. People get paranoid when a sleeping dragon wakes up.

[Nachomamma8]

OH PISSY FUCK BUTT CAKES

WHY DID YOU WAIT SO LONG TO GIVE YOUR READS

DOES THAT TAKE SO MUCH EFFORT TOO

I didn't form them until later.
It's stupid to give out reads if it doesn't serve a purpose.

[Nachomamma8]

I can depend on you not to forget me and I can depend on you to be invested in the game.
That's all I ask. Don't sheep blindly, but don't let me fade away.

[Nachomamma8]

SCUMMY

MISUNDERSTOOD

[Nachomamma8]

OK I hope so because Nacho got my emotions flowing now, I'm so heated up man.

Like WHAT Nacho

WHAT WHAT WHAT

WHAT NOW

now we finish breaking the game

[Nachomamma8]

Your case on Baezy definitely has merit but I disagree with it. Baezu is still a townread for me. MAybe I'm too susceptible to AtE's, but that's how it is. I'll give you my theory on Baezu: Town PR who has no idea how to scumhunt. Try reading her posts in that light and tell me why this interpretation can't be true.
Her swearing she's town like that early in the game, I simply don't see that coming from scum, sorry.

I'm a sucker for good AtE maybe, like Elyse's. Elyse danced with me for a little while, got a little aggravated, AtE'd a bit in thread, then got right back in it. I post a case on Baezu but she crumples like a sheet of paper in a three year old's hands. That's not the AtE I like, especially considering inconsistencies in her thoughts. As in, I understand where the Town PR bit is coming from with her because of #187 (but please never, never, never speculate about things like that in thread because you practically hand scum fakeclaims) but I would absolutely LOVE her reads and an effort to connect us more with her thought process because I am seeing scum scum scum.

[Nachomamma8]

This "compromise" is so I don't have to argue with Nacho anymore because, guess what? READS CAN CHANGE. The RD wagon quickly dissipated into forming the Nacho and Elyse wagons. Nacho and I are probably town and the scum is just watching.

I want your reads still.

[Nachomamma8]

What do you make of your herd?

I don't like Elyse compromising immediately since it seemed she thought I was scum just a moment ago and she didn't really have a reason for me to back down from her, but I'm not sure it makes her scum quite yet. Nachopappa is a 99% townread.

Also, I saw in your reads that you had Elyse and Peregrine down as "vcan die any time". Mind explaining your read on Peregrine?

He's so useless and he CAN be useful.
He just hasn't been.
I don't know if he's lazy or scum but right now I wouldn't cry if he died 10 pages ago.

[Nachomamma8]

Do we KNOW that there are only 2 scum? Cuz if you do, that makes you pretty scummy. Yes, Elyse/Darthe seems like a scumteam, but the third member of that team imo is Ztife.

I'm guessing there's three.

[Nachomamma8]

But my reads? As I said I don't like giving out a whole list.

i know but please give out a whole list

[Nachomamma8]

I'm not surprised at four speed votes on me, two of which are essentially baseless. At the risk of quoting Elyse, "clusterfuck" doesn't begin to describe it.

this is a clusterfuck fed by clusterfuck thoughts
paranoid thoughts feed more paranoid thoughts
resulting in a clusterfuck wagon which
regardless of whether the original wagons were good or bad
will result in a worse wagon

hence, the circle of clusterfuckery
aka
fuck this fucking wagon what the hell is going on in this thread

[Nachomamma8]

IMO, town-Darthe is very clearly town.

Here, it hasn't happened yet.

Vote: Darthe

Did you catch up with the game? Have you got anything else to say?

(remember when I said Peregrine can die whenever?)
(yeah)