Mini 1674: A Minimalist Text Adventure (Fire's Out)

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #27 (isolation #0) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:04 am

Let's get this over with;

VOTE: NotScience

Serious vote.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #30 (isolation #1) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:13 am

Policy.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #33 (isolation #2) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:16 am

Preventing the inevitable lurk for 30 pages, following by flaking the game, followed by needing a replacement.

It's a really good D1 lynch.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #36 (isolation #3) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:18 am

I could do.

I'd rather lynch him though and kill someone who is a threat to me.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #37 (isolation #4) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:19 am

In post 34, Soren wrote:notscience was my IC in my first newbie

he got replaced lol

Case made.

I don't think I have ever seen an IC need replacement in all my time playing on this site.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #44 (isolation #5) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:28 am

What makes you think that Asher?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #46 (isolation #6) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:29 am

I think we have played once before; it was a little while ago.

I don't think he has anywhere near enough game time with me to be able to say that though.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #48 (isolation #7) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:36 am

Are you interested in lynching a lurker, Asher?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #50 (isolation #8) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:39 am

No, it really isn't.

It's almost guaranteed to happen.

If you don't think D1 is the best day for a policy lynch, when is?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #52 (isolation #9) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:40 am

I don't think I would ever policy lynch, for any reason, past D1.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #55 (isolation #10) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:42 am

Aside from policy lynching, people should vote NS because wagons are good for the game.

PEdit - I'm pushing NS based on policy.

Last sentence is correct.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #57 (isolation #11) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:49 am

Push is absolutely null, correct.

Doesn't deter from the fact it's the correct lynch for toDay.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #70 (isolation #12) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:10 am

In every game I have played/seen/read that NS has been a part of he has either lurked or been replaced.

I'll just kill him instead.

VOTE: Asher

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #74 (isolation #13) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:12 am

Nothing to do with not liking you (if that comment is aimed at me)

It's more to do with you making a soft defence of me when I don't think you have played enough with me to be able to say that.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #79 (isolation #14) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:13 am

In post 73, pieguyn wrote:
/meta'ing the player who hates meta

Lololololol. Please, meta me more.

Have I ever played with you?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #80 (isolation #15) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:14 am

In post 75, Malakittens wrote:
Good what night will you be doing it? Also will it be you or your scum buddy doing the kill?

1st night. Low info kill, makes sense.

I'll do it. Personal satisfaction and all that.

In post 77, Sakura Hana wrote:
Vote: BBT

notty is one of the most easy to read players on the site, this policy is bollocks, You are scum.

Forming counter-wagon to Asher. Noted.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #91 (isolation #16) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:20 am

He needs to have played more than one game, yes.

Especially a game where he was scum and would therefore not be paying much attention to working me out.

I bet you haven't even come close to figuring me out Pie.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #96 (isolation #17) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:25 am

So...not many reads then?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #103 (isolation #18) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:28 am

I think scum is voting me.

Discuss.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #107 (isolation #19) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:29 am

In post 104, Sakura Hana wrote:
Yet you are voting someone not voting you, gg.

That is a fantastic observation.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #109 (isolation #20) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:30 am

In post 105, Asher Kendrell wrote:
I don't think there's 5 scum

How many scum do you think there are?

PEdit - NM is likely to be scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #113 (isolation #21) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:33 am

I like Asher for scum based on something other than him voting me.

Given everyone's reasoning for voting me is pretty shit, I can't distinguish between bad town and scum taking advantage of an opportunity presented to them by previously mentioned bad town.

The buddying in this thread is making me feel sick.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #115 (isolation #22) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:35 am

I explained why I thought he was scum.

My ISO isn't very long.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #118 (isolation #23) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:38 am

Nah, I would most definitely be taking advantage of this if I were scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #123 (isolation #24) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:40 am

I have nothing else to say.

Lynch me or find scum. IDGAF.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #127 (isolation #25) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:43 am

In post 124, pieguyn wrote:
you mad because town has been finding each other early game and you're left out of it?

You're just too fucking good.

Too good.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #130 (isolation #26) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:46 am

In post 121, Malakittens wrote:Oh I think BBT is yown btw. Although reasons r faulty

Hahaha, it couldn't be meta...could it?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #139 (isolation #27) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:48 am

Mala, why am I town?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #153 (isolation #28) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:58 am

In post 149, pieguyn wrote:
yes, but if you're curious to know about whether or not I'm scum reading you, you should naturally be curious as to *why*.

you ask if I'm scum reading you. I say "yes" and don't explain the reason. you proceed to drop said line of questioning at that point.

so what was the purpose of the line of questioning? what alignment-relevant information were you hoping to gain just from knowing *if* I was scum reading you or not without regard to my actual reasoning behind it?

I would expect a town player to not drop it so easily and without anything gained from it. what you did felt more like you were just asking throwaway questions for the sake of it without actually attempting to sort me.

You're going to vote for Asher now, right?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #154 (isolation #29) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:58 am

In post 152, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 149, pieguyn wrote:yes, but if you're curious to know about whether or not I'm scum reading you, you should naturally be curious as to *why*.

you ask if I'm scum reading you. I say "yes" and don't explain the reason. you proceed to drop said line of questioning at that point.

This is a good point actually.

You're going to vote Asher now, right?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #157 (isolation #30) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:59 am

I know.

Won't you help me lynch scum?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #160 (isolation #31) » Sat May 16, 2015 6:03 am

In post 156, Sakura Hana wrote:Well probably "exact" is a bit of a stretch, but you dont scumhunt within your wagon despite calling out that there's scum there.

I've already stated why I cannot scum hunt from my wagon.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #166 (isolation #32) » Sat May 16, 2015 6:07 am

I've shown frustration?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #180 (isolation #33) » Sat May 16, 2015 6:16 am

In post 178, Sakura Hana wrote:Bulge is also scum.

I could see this.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #186 (isolation #34) » Sat May 16, 2015 6:31 am

In post 184, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't want to vote BBT because he's super easy to read

What's your read on me?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #191 (isolation #35) » Sat May 16, 2015 6:33 am

His avoidance of the main issue; my wagon.

Followed by fluff posting.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #193 (isolation #36) » Sat May 16, 2015 6:34 am

In post 192, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Me to know, you to find out.

No, it's for you to explain.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #198 (isolation #37) » Sat May 16, 2015 6:36 am

When you get a chance Blank, explanation of your unvote would be great.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #202 (isolation #38) » Sat May 16, 2015 6:39 am

Is there a reason you haven't voted Asher yet Pie?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #207 (isolation #39) » Sat May 16, 2015 6:47 am

@Blank - What interesting things happened Blank? I sense a bitterness in your posting and I don't think I like it.

@Sakura - LOL. A whole two town reads are on my wagon?

Well, shit, I must be scum then.

PEdit - I mean you didn't really engage with the game other than providing bad reasoning for why Asher could be town.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #211 (isolation #40) » Sat May 16, 2015 6:49 am

In post 209, pieguyn wrote:
In post 202, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Is there a reason you haven't voted Asher yet Pie?

I don't really know which of {you, Asher} I'd rather vote at this point. is there any specific reason you're asking me this?

Yeah, I want to lynch scum.

You seem hesitant to. I was wondering why.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #218 (isolation #41) » Sat May 16, 2015 6:58 am

In post 211, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Yeah, I want to lynch scum.

You seem hesitant to. I was wondering why.

For you, Pie.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #228 (isolation #42) » Sat May 16, 2015 7:10 am

In post 225, pieguyn wrote:
I still don't think anything you've done so far is town. while I haven't found your recent posts particularly scummy, either, suggesting a policy on notsci is still sufficient cause for a scum read - this is even more so the case when you immediately back off it and go to push Asher (who *if* town is the next easiest target here) when it becomes obvious you don't have any ground to stand on. it looked more like you thought suggesting to PL notsci was a good way to enter the thread in order to look town and then gave up when you realized how bad it was making you look - I wouldn't expect you'd give up on it so quickly if you were town and legitimately wanted notsci PL'ed

LOL.

Suggesting a PL is one sure fire way of NOT getting town read. I find it strange you think suggesting PL's is a townie thing to do.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #230 (isolation #43) » Sat May 16, 2015 7:13 am

Vote me then.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #237 (isolation #44) » Sat May 16, 2015 7:18 am

RC, you should try to troll harder. You make it too obvious.

Vote me. Commit to your 'easy to gain read,'

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #239 (isolation #45) » Sat May 16, 2015 7:24 am

That vote needs explaining.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #243 (isolation #46) » Sat May 16, 2015 7:48 am

In post 241, BlankFace wrote:I can't comment on the bitterness toward you bbt but you aren't exactly wrong. It has no bearing on this game and whether I think you are scum or not. As for the interesting things, the build up of your wagon, the fake Vig gambit, more players showing up and chiming in, more analysis coming through. A vote on your for one snarky comment isn't worth it, you didn't back off of the snarky night kill jokes either so I don't think its scummy. there's going to be more to analyze.

In that case, I suggest you get on with the analyzing.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #247 (isolation #47) » Sat May 16, 2015 7:53 am

And the reasoning for your vote Cho is...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #263 (isolation #48) » Sat May 16, 2015 8:53 am

You said I was easy to read.

We have 11 pages of posting, most of which I have been involved in.

You really should have your read on me now.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #265 (isolation #49) » Sat May 16, 2015 8:57 am

Why are you trying to threaten me?

Go for it.

You can't get me lynched.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #267 (isolation #50) » Sat May 16, 2015 9:00 am

I want you to commit to a read.

I want to see if you're trolling me or if you legit think you can read me easily.

Scum or town? Go.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #270 (isolation #51) » Sat May 16, 2015 9:01 am

Yeah.

I'm holding you to that.

No squirming out of this read.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #276 (isolation #52) » Sat May 16, 2015 9:05 am

NM, are you purposefully trying hard not to comment on the game?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #282 (isolation #53) » Sat May 16, 2015 9:57 am

K.

Does that answer my question?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #285 (isolation #54) » Sat May 16, 2015 10:00 am

You have your scum read on me.

Don't give up on it already. That's boring.

PEdit - You'll be happy to know I am rereading NM. I may bring some new information. I may not.

Let's see!

Why do you think it's multiball?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #290 (isolation #55) » Sat May 16, 2015 10:08 am

83 - Just wanna expand on this further. Asher has played exactly one game with me, this game started way back in August.

For him to come out with a comment on 'that's just how he is' it just doesn't sit right with me. I don't feel like he can judge my personality from one game.

Asher, can you quote some posts from our previous game together which lead you to make that statement?

I also noticed Pie that you didn't actually explain why you were voting for me in this post. Can you do so now?

86 - Soren, since when does weird = scum? Reasoning for your vote as well please.

This is scummy because you were also quick to join the policy lynch idea. Two wagons you have joined quickly based on weak/no reasoning.

95 - Sakura, can you elaborate on your Soren town read?

PEdit - Blank, I don't get the Soren town read. What do you make of what I have posted about Soren in this post?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #293 (isolation #56) » Sat May 16, 2015 10:21 am

111 - Forget the question I just asked you Sakura, you answer it here.

I don't feel like any of the early posts Soren made could not be made from scum. Especially if he was just looking for reasons to vote NS and wanted to make sure I was PL'ing for a reason he could tag along with.

121 - Mala, what do you think about the votes that were on my wagon?

PEdit - Almost everyone? 2 people disagreed - Pie and Mala. You also showed doubt about the PL when you stated if it prevented me from scum hunting you would have a problem with me. That was clear posturing on your part.

Yeah, contradictions come from town and scum. Depending on how you look at them; some people think contradictions are more likely to come from town because scum are careful and

try

to be as consistent as possible where as town don't care about such things.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #295 (isolation #57) » Sat May 16, 2015 10:26 am

143 - Asher, why does the fact that some people haven't posted yet effect you providing reads on the people who have posted?

PEdit - Can you expand further Mala?

Specifically, what do you think about Soren?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #299 (isolation #58) » Sat May 16, 2015 10:43 am

165 - NM, still waiting for you to show me where I was frustrated.

This feels like weak reasoning for jumping off my wagon.

You also don't state why you're voting Asher.

168 - Noted that Bulge tried to continue RVS despite there being plenty of information/content to work with.

PEdit - Asher, you can post reads on the people who have posted so far and then the rest tomorrow.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #301 (isolation #59) » Sat May 16, 2015 10:46 am

Fair, forgot about that.

Reasoning for Asher vote?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #303 (isolation #60) » Sat May 16, 2015 10:51 am

I'm not sure he believed he was vigged.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #306 (isolation #61) » Sat May 16, 2015 11:43 am

Hmm, I don't see the link between those posts and what I said here.

Brash and snarky are not the same thing.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #308 (isolation #62) » Sat May 16, 2015 11:53 am

OK, I don't see how me talking about killing people would be considered as irritating then...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #311 (isolation #63) » Sat May 16, 2015 12:06 pm

These two posts don't seem to flow naturally;

In post 205, Sakura Hana wrote:Funny the BBT wagon right now is fully composed of my townreads, minus one.

Like, here you're talking about how great my wagon is and how it contains two of your town reads plus yourself.

In post 215, Sakura Hana wrote:
Unvote
Vote: pieguyn

If paradise lost taught me anything is that i should follow my instincts over people's weird reactions.

And then within 10 posts you jump off it based on instinct.

Who had 'weird reactions'?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #312 (isolation #64) » Sat May 16, 2015 12:16 pm

238 - Vote from Cho still needs explaining.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #314 (isolation #65) » Sat May 16, 2015 12:34 pm

286 - I dislike this post from NM. This is something that is very easy for scum to say and gives you a nice position to sit back and do nothing.

294 - Mala, I just realized that at the time you said this my wagon consisted of Pie, Soren and Cho.

What are your reads on those 3 players?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #317 (isolation #66) » Sat May 16, 2015 12:40 pm

In post 313, notscience wrote:

In post 207, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:PEdit - I mean you didn't really engage with the game other than providing bad reasoning for why Asher could be town.

how is providing bad reasoning an alignment tell

It isn't. Avoiding commenting on things going on in the game is though.

I like your vote. You noticed something I noticed upon rereading.

PEdit - Same for Huntress.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #319 (isolation #67) » Sat May 16, 2015 12:45 pm

Spoiler: Soren's pointless questions

That isn't even all of them. There's more.

I feel like Soren is making a whole lot of noise as opposed to actually trying to work out people's alignments.

So many questions that don't really lead anywhere and don't get followed up on either. They're just asked to look like Soren is doing ~things~.

Add this to the jump on the NS PL and then jumping on my wagon with very weak reasoning and I think there is sufficient reason to;

VOTE: Soren

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #326 (isolation #68) » Sat May 16, 2015 1:24 pm

@NS - Not all of that are pointless in the sense of the word but there is no follow up. Like, it feels like there was no real reason for Soren to ask those questions and they don't really care about the answer.

@Sakura - Blank feels pretty town to me. Not sure what you're seeing.

I naturally assumed you thought the wagon was a good wagon because it was full of your town reads as you so openly stated. So it made me look back when I realized you jumped off this wagon you were obviously pretty happy with based on nothing.

You gonna say what you didn't like about the reaction?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #329 (isolation #69) » Sat May 16, 2015 1:29 pm

In post 327, Sakura Hana wrote:
Yeah, the fact that my wagon was composed of only my townreads gave me pause and made me rethink

This doesn't make sense.

Why would a wagon you're on, with the people you're town reading, give you pause and make you rethink?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #331 (isolation #70) » Sat May 16, 2015 1:33 pm

What makes you think they were following you?

I think Pie showed independent thought throughout the process. Soren's vote was bad but that's because they're scum.

Your vote should probably go there.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #335 (isolation #71) » Sat May 16, 2015 1:42 pm

You're not a weak player?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #338 (isolation #72) » Sat May 16, 2015 1:45 pm

You do?

Ah, I always forget how well you can read me.

I like Huntress' post. She can be town.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #436 (isolation #73) » Sun May 17, 2015 5:06 am

Blank, you should join the Soren wagon.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #444 (isolation #74) » Sun May 17, 2015 7:42 am

Nah, your conf bias is boring me and I'd rather not deal with it.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #448 (isolation #75) » Sun May 17, 2015 7:51 am

After you made your big 'BBT is scum post'

I'm not interested.

I might reply to it later if I can be bothered. Doubt it though.

From skimming your post, you were just twisting my posts to say what you wanted them to say and I'm not particularly motivated to go down that avenue.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #452 (isolation #76) » Sun May 17, 2015 8:02 am

If I believe your view to be coming from a conf bias standpoint, even with you claiming it isn't, why would I bother? It takes time and energy that, quite frankly, I don't have for this game right now.

I feel I have given more than enough for my alignment to be made clear.

I'll look at your post later.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #457 (isolation #77) » Sun May 17, 2015 8:09 am

I agree that RC's vote seems to be on the premise that Blank is town.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #459 (isolation #78) » Sun May 17, 2015 8:29 am

Weak sauce.

AtE. Scummy.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #462 (isolation #79) » Sun May 17, 2015 9:28 am

You're prob right.

I'm just trolling RC because it's funny.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #465 (isolation #80) » Sun May 17, 2015 9:41 am

Her points for Soren scum are pretty good.

She is thinking along similar lines to me which means it is likely she is coming from the same mindset that I am.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #468 (isolation #81) » Sun May 17, 2015 9:45 am

Why is RC scum?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #470 (isolation #82) » Sun May 17, 2015 9:50 am

Forgot about that. I agree with what you're saying.

What do you think about Soren?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #472 (isolation #83) » Sun May 17, 2015 9:54 am

If we forget meta exists for a moment, can you see Soren scum?

None of their questions go anywhere, they're just questions for questions sake. I don't see how it is helping their reads/progression in the game.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #474 (isolation #84) » Sun May 17, 2015 9:58 am

Alright, can we do Soren first?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #709 (isolation #85) » Mon May 18, 2015 8:41 pm

Gonna try and read this game at some point.

This little meta circle is crushing my motivation to play this game though. Do you guys realise how hard it makes the game to play for other people when all you talk about is your trusted little meta circle?

'I know your scum cos meta' then 'nuh-uh, you know this is my town meta, you must be scum for incorrectly reading me' then 'haha, you're caught, you know I know your scum meta and this is it' blah blah blah. It's so fucking boring and just isolates everyone outside of that conversation.

I absolutely despise games like this.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #789 (isolation #86) » Wed May 20, 2015 8:24 am

Gonna attempt to catch up on this game now.

Can't promise anything though.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #790 (isolation #87) » Wed May 20, 2015 9:02 am

334 - RC, mentioning this mainly as a reminder for myself but have you stated why you think I'm scum? If so, I'll see it on catching up. If not, can you do so now?

343 - Blank, you don't think Soren can fake these points that you have used to explain your town read on them?

379/397 - Cho and Sakura, can you explain town reads on Soren please?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #791 (isolation #88) » Wed May 20, 2015 9:37 am

412 - RC, stop with the pre-flip associatives. It's so bad.

418 - Pie,

meta is useless

. I don't think comparing a newbie game to a normal game is valid. I believe Soren thought he could quite easily get away with those kinds of questions as scum because 'Hey, I'm a newbie!'. There is no chance in hell he would get away with those questions now. Additionally, if those questions got Soren scum read in that game I wouldn't be surprised if he employed different questions this time around anyway.

Also, I flat out disagree that Soren is committing to stances. Yeah, some questions like her questioning Bulge for reads are valid questions, but again, no follow up. Also, when there are lots of these questions put together it just comes across as making noise/trying to look like scum hunting when in actuality they are very easy questions for scum to ask.

I don't see Soren trying to work out people's alignments. At all.

420 - Pie, why did Soren not make their comment about making sure I scum hunt when I'm pushing for a PL before Mala/Pie contributed to the game? Why did they wait until someone had expressed discontent with my push on NS before stating these things?

Also, my main problem with Soren is hopping onto easy wagons. First the NS PL , then my wagon when it started taking off. Their whole reasoning for voting me was;

In post 86, Soren wrote:BBT is weird as hell right now.

VOTE: BBT

Seriously, wtf does this even mean? What is 'weird'? Is weird a synonym for scummy? If so, why?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #795 (isolation #89) » Wed May 20, 2015 10:11 am

422 - Pie, the scum intent in 'prolonging RVS' (when Bulge voted NS) is that it's a way of entering the game without commenting on the main issues. Normally, people might expect an entrance post to, you know, comment on the current game-state or make reference to thoughts they had as they read the game etc etc.

However, if Bulge enters the game by RVS'ing and then proceeds to engage with people he knows in the game via any other method than actually commenting on the game state/main current issues, he has achieved his objective and his integration into the game appears seamless while he hasn't actually done anything.

439 - Couple of things about your reads-list Asher;

You didn't actually state a read on Cho. What is it?

Also, you state ~things~ that have influenced your read but not

why

they have influenced your reads. It's more just a commentary on what people have done and not how what they have done has influenced your reads.

This is a fairly weak reads list.

Your scum reads are absolutely woeful as well tbf. Like, I see no reasoning for why Huntress is scum at all.

442 - I don't like Sakura stating he plans on ignoring RC for the majority of the game.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #798 (isolation #90) » Wed May 20, 2015 10:18 am

453 - Case in point on Bulge.

Says he is going to read wagon on me when he catches up on game. Instead, throws vote on RC and makes no comment at all about what he was going to look into.

Integrated into game. Avoided major issue.

Bulge, thoughts on the wagon that formed on me?

PEdit - @Pie, so? If it was something Soren thought could be a problem, he should have mentioned it as soon as he sheeped me, no?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #799 (isolation #91) » Wed May 20, 2015 10:24 am

482 - RC, why are you considering voting for NS?

492 - Soren, I feel I have been pretty clear in my reasoning for why I think you're scum.

495 - Asher, Huntress has not defended Soren. Have you mixed names up?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #805 (isolation #92) » Wed May 20, 2015 10:43 am

500 - NS, I don't get why you're acting like you've already been lynched in this post. Like, you're stating we should go after Pie/Sakura Tomorrow...Today is nowhere near over yet and you're not even close to being lynched.

Why are YOU not going after Pie/Sakura?

505 - Ugh, the self-meta in this post. I find this absolutely absurd.

507 - Soren, why make this comment without backing it up with a vote?

This is good though;

In post 515, notscience wrote:
Why did sakura suddenly join my wagon, saying "pie is town" but without a comment on my alignment?

Why does soren make a throwaway comment about my wagon without joining?

Why does RC do the same?

Wouldn't mind seeing answers to these questions.

519 - NS, this town reads list is absolutely awful. Gonna leave it quoted for reference;

In post 519, notscience wrote:
TOWN
Mala- trying to work with people and reach out to those she's familiar with is something I expect more from town mala than scum mala early
Asher- his reaction to cho's accusation that I /only/ do something as scum was town, like "fuck yes we found damning evidence" even if its not really
Cho- I don't think scum-marquis would risk starting this wagon in this playerlist, unless she's scum with both pie and sakura then fuck bins hates me
Soren- people are saying somethign about meta? His commenting on my wagon but not joining feels more town oriented
RC- I have no fucking idea, I liked the BBT interaction though. I'm still waiting for this supposed "perfect" read on BBT and for him to take one side or the other and either hard defend or shove the wagon into infinity though.
Bulge- This is mostly gut.

I don't think Mala has provided anywhere near enough for a town read. She has reached out to all of one person?

I actually read Asher's comment as possible scum who has saw an opportunity to jump on a wagon. Like, 'can you show me where NS has definitely done this as scum because then I can jump on the wagon for sure!'

Why does Soren making the comment and not joining make him town? I don't get the link between the two things.

RC is a town read despite you having 'no fucking idea'...really?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #806 (isolation #93) » Wed May 20, 2015 11:03 am

529/531 - So, NS, I have a little thought about why you might be pushing for Pie/Sakura Tomorrow and not Today.

Your dodging around the issue of pushing Pie/Sakura Today is super, super weak. You claim in 531 you're not pushing Sakura because '

you want to give him space, should you be wrong

'. However, in 529 you say Mala should '

push Pie/Sakura to hell tomorrow because of them misreading you

'. This very clearly shows a lack of doubt in what you're saying, in fact, you seem quite sure of it.

So, you have to ask, why would NS propose pushing them Tomorrow and not Today? The reason I come up with is this; given you yourself are claiming that Pie/Sakura have a 100% history of accurately reading you, should you push them back, win and achieve one of their lynches, if either of them flips town, where do you think town will look Tomorrow?

Conversely, if you're scum, you can say all this now because you think it provides you with a solid defence. I mean, who gives a shit what you said after your lynch if you flip scum, right? You need to say it now, while it counts for something.

543 -

Is 'odd' another synonym for scummy

.

Soren throwing more dirt on the NS wagon without actually voting.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #807 (isolation #94) » Wed May 20, 2015 11:04 am

That's it for tonight. It's late and I'm tired.

Will try spending much more time catching up tomorrow.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #860 (isolation #95) » Wed May 20, 2015 9:30 pm

Got a couple of minutes;

556 - NS, Pie and Sakura can be scum together now?

Why did that change?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #861 (isolation #96) » Wed May 20, 2015 9:39 pm

Those last couple of pages were the most painful pages I have ever had to read. I seriously mean that, I almost gauged my eyes out to stop me from reading it.

615 - Why the Sakura vote Mala?

619 - RC, you have two scum reads and you're voting outside of them because...

620 - Cho, can you explain Mala and Asher town reads please?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #862 (isolation #97) » Wed May 20, 2015 9:40 pm

On way out, will continue later.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #887 (isolation #98) » Thu May 21, 2015 8:21 am

626 - Self vote and post after this are disgusting.

645 - Cho, back to voting me? Why?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #888 (isolation #99) » Thu May 21, 2015 8:50 am

I can't read that shit.

I give up on this game.

I'll sheep ANY wagon that has half decent reasoning.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #889 (isolation #100) » Thu May 21, 2015 8:51 am

VOTE: RC

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu May 21, 2015 10:49 am

Sakura, what is your case on Mala?

I stopped reading at around page 30 I think.

I'm assuming you posted it after then?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #930 (isolation #102) » Thu May 21, 2015 8:35 pm

VOTE: Mala

Fuck this game.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #932 (isolation #103) » Thu May 21, 2015 8:39 pm

Mala is town btw.

The speed of that wagon was lol worthy.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #934 (isolation #104) » Thu May 21, 2015 9:07 pm

No problem.

If scum are not in the meta circle they should absolutely kill inside the meta circle.

Just saying.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #935 (isolation #105) » Thu May 21, 2015 9:12 pm

38 page D1.

My word.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon May 25, 2015 11:32 am

VOTE: Soren

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon May 25, 2015 11:34 am

Indeed.

Wagon is scummy as fuck as well.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon May 25, 2015 11:36 am

Of course.

Athough, it's for different reasons now.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon May 25, 2015 11:38 am

Pie is town.

NM's and Asher's votes don't look great.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon May 25, 2015 11:40 am

Also, scum killed off the wagon which makes me think that scum are hiding on it and want to keep that pool as wide as possible.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon May 25, 2015 11:41 am

I'm not used to seeing you do things Bulge.

I don't know what it means.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon May 25, 2015 11:43 am

It does?

You should probably vote him then.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon May 25, 2015 11:44 am

I'm pretty sure I've seen your play past D1 and it wasn't similar to this.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon May 25, 2015 11:47 am

No.

I'm evaluating your play-style. Nothing to do with meta.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon May 25, 2015 11:49 am

It does.

And people very often confuse the two.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon May 25, 2015 11:53 am

It's unimportant right now.

Can you vote Soren please?

Or do you wanna do NM?

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue May 26, 2015 7:19 am

In post 1023, Soren wrote:VOTE: BBT

The hammer was so bad I almost cried.

Why did you wait so long to vote me?

You posted 15 (no exaggeration) times since Daystart and had a chance to vote me then given your reasoning was because of my hammer.

Why have you waited for a wagon to form before voting me?

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue May 26, 2015 7:28 am

In fact, you didn't even mention my hammer in any of your posts.

If my hammer was so bad, why didn't you attack me for it at the start of the Day? Was it because everyone else was ignoring it so you decided to as well? Then, when Pie and RC attacked me for it you thought it would be a good opportunity to jump on despite not mentioning it at all prior to this?

I am gonna throw your scum flip in Pie's face as well. Meta? Fuck meta.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue May 26, 2015 9:18 pm

Soooo, let's all pretend that Soren's jump on the BBT wagon isn't opportunistic. Is that what we're playing?

OK.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue May 26, 2015 9:53 pm

Thanks!

BlueBloodedToffee · Wed May 27, 2015 9:50 am

Why is it strange?

BlueBloodedToffee · Wed May 27, 2015 10:00 am

Asher, what are your current reads?

BlueBloodedToffee · Wed May 27, 2015 10:11 am

Blank, are you implying he is lying about being V/LA?

BlueBloodedToffee · Wed May 27, 2015 11:19 am

I can see where you're coming from.

Did you ISO him? What conclusion did you come to?

The back end of the Mala wagon picked up steam quickly, NM's vote easily the worst though.

Blank, what do you make of my posts re: Soren.

BlueBloodedToffee · Wed May 27, 2015 11:27 am

Hi Soren, I see you have been online/posting since I made my posts for you.

I'm sure you have read this thread; why have you not responded to me?

BlueBloodedToffee · Wed May 27, 2015 8:37 pm

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu May 28, 2015 5:26 am

In post 1068, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1065, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why?

It doesn't look like you believe

Can you elaborate? What are the differences?

That's such a BS reason.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu May 28, 2015 8:59 am

Soooo, no counter wagon for me?

I wonder what that means?

I'll just sit here as wagon leader all Day again while town continue to put their fists up their asses.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu May 28, 2015 9:03 am

Sure.

There is no counter wagon to me.

It makes me town.

It's honestly that simple.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu May 28, 2015 9:09 am

Too many people are not voting in this game.

PEdit - Hey town, shall we try another wagon some time this game?

I been leading wagon since very early in the game it's becoming kind of boring.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu May 28, 2015 9:09 am

What is fake about my push?

Do you disagree with my reasoning for my Soren push?

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu May 28, 2015 9:11 am

OK.

If I was scum, what do you think my scum buddies would be trying to do right now?

If I was scum, do you think I would be allowed to be the leading wagon with barely any counter-wagons for the whole of this game? Seriously, check the VC's. It's beyond ridiculous.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu May 28, 2015 9:12 am

I mean, I feel Soren is pretty obviously scum and not a single person is willing to listen or even entertain my reasoning.

Not one.

Killing my motivation to give a shit in this game.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu May 28, 2015 9:19 am

In post 1086, The Bulge wrote:But the mere fact that you're aware of that and constantly mentioning it completely invalidates that as a defense.

Yeah, I can buy that. Except, I could have used it a long time ago but I'm using it now.

It should be pretty fucking obvious I'm town with the way the voting is going this game.

@Soren - That is an absolutely awful excuse.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu May 28, 2015 9:23 am

If the hammer was so bad, I'm sure you would not have forgot about it.

I mean, it's not like you wouldn't have seen it right above the D2 starting post.

That's complete BS.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu May 28, 2015 9:24 am

Meh, it's not right above because of Mod Spamming.

Still. My point stands about it being 'so bad' you forgot about it until other people started voting me for it.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu May 28, 2015 9:29 am

I know.

I'm just letting you know that what you're saying makes no sense at all and you should be getting votes for it.

Me thinks you're scum who was banking on me getting pushed for that hammer but didn't want to bring it up yourself.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu May 28, 2015 10:19 pm

In post 1129, RadiantCowbells wrote:Many scumteams have found out that lynching RC is not as easy as it appears to be.

There's a reason BBT isn't trying.

LOL.

BBT isn't trying because nobody gives a fuck what he says.

I'm ready to be hammered.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sat May 30, 2015 5:10 am

Huntress, what's your read on Soren and what do you make of her reasoning for joining my wagon?

Also, NM's reasoning for joining my wagon is pretty bad. Nobody seems to care.

And NS placed a bad vote as well. Nobody seems to care.

I don't understand what everyone is waiting for.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sat May 30, 2015 6:08 am

VOTE: Not_Mafia

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 2:15 am

In post 1155, Not_Mafia wrote:I still don't have much of a handle on this game, I thought Soren looked bad a few pages ago, just empty buzzword scumhunting, but his since then have seemed quite standard

Maybe you should 'get a handle of the game' instead of idly sitting on a wagon hoping the lynch goes through?

In post 1156, Not_Mafia wrote:Just remembered BBT's drama llama over his wagon d1 and saying he was going to hunt off it but never delivering

Oh yeah. The RVS wagon that I explained I couldn't scum hunt from. Or did you choose to forget that?

You're looking for reasons to justify your place on my wagon. You can't do it.

Huntress, what are your thoughts on NM?

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 2:22 am

If it did occur to you, one has to wonder why you haven't done it.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 2:28 am

Or...there is an alternative.

You can actually read the game and provide genuine reads.

Though, this assumes you're actually town, and we both know that's not the case.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 2:28 am

Who do you think will get lynched after I flip town, NM?

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 2:30 am

Nah.

Has to be off my wagon.

Who?

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 2:36 am

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 2:37 am

You're trying really hard to be as vague as possible.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 2:58 am

I don't know why you're acting like nothing has happened in this game.

Like, you don't even seem to have legitimate reasons for scum reading me yet you just sit on my wagon doing nothing. Your actions are much more likely to come from scum as opposed to town.

Do you think Soren is scum. If so, why?

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 3:18 am

It's what you said without directly stating it. Why do you have nothing to contribute and no reads? How the fuck are you even playing the game if you have no reads?

Yeah, you gave one weak ass reason. That was it. A reason I explained and countered.

You said you expected Soren to be lynched; you didn't say whether he was scum or not.

If he is scum, why?

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 3:32 am

In post 1155, Not_Mafia wrote:I still don't have much of a handle on this game, I thought Soren looked bad a few pages ago, just empty buzzword scumhunting, but his since then have seemed quite standard

This is all I see on Soren.

Does Soren still 'look bad'? Was it scummy? Is he still scummy? Is he town? Why?

It's all very vague and you're trying very hard not to take a clear stance.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 4:18 am

Why are you so reluctant to give an opinion?

I have just said your post does not state how you're reading Soren atm.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 5:27 am

NS or Blank, can you tell me how NM is reading Soren?

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 5:43 am

Alright, I'm glad it's not just me who can't work out where the hell NM's reads are at. No doubt the town will just let this slide as well.

FWIW Blank, I think you might be wrong on Asher. I could see RC being scum and probably NM as well.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 5:45 am

Hobbes should be doing more as well.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 5:46 am

Huntress, who are you willing to vote if not Bulge? That feels like a vanity wagon that isn't going anywhere.

Asher, can you decide where you would like to place your vote?

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 6:59 am

I'm also good with the above 3 wagons.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 9:21 am

Whoops, didn't see that Huntress had voted for Asher.

I really don't think Asher is scum guys.

Can we do NM instead? I understand it's difficult for people to see things from my perspective but just give it a try. Put yourself in my position with the way this game has played out and think how you would feel/who you would be suspicious of. Far too many people focus on their own interactions in this game and pay no/little attention to interactions elsewhere.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 1:48 pm

I'd be up for an RC wagon.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 9:21 pm

Look at the complete lack of content coming forward.

A lot of people are just sitting on my wagon and waiting for something to happen. They're not doing anything further, all scum hunting has stopped. Why?

RC is tunneling on me (looking forward to post game for this), pie came back and said 'nothing changed' without engaging anyone at all, Soren has disappeared, NM gave one reason (that was countered) AFTER he joined my wagon and is now not engaging anyone and NS voted me without any reasoning at all and continues to stay on my wagon without engaging anyone.

Whoever is town on my wagon; I hope you feel embarrassed after my flip. This town has come to a standstill while scum wait for me to be hammered. It's a joke.

How is no-one questioning the validity of my wagon? Seriously.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 9:35 pm

VOTE: RC

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 9:38 pm

VOTE: RC

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 9:40 pm

VOTE: RC

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 10:07 pm

The post you quoted is still correct.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 10:10 pm

If you say so.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 10:15 pm

You don't have tells on me.

You will see this after my flip.

Then you'll have to admit you're really bad at reading me.

Disclaimer: The above is only relevant if RC is town. Hence why I would like to talk about it post game.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 10:24 pm

Nah, you committed to your read a long time ago. Don't try and justify my recent play as reasoning for your read.

It doesn't work like that and it is why I explicitly asked you to commit to your read when I did.

I don't particularly care for this game. D1 was a shitfest and it's continuing D2. I feel bad for whoever is town but it is what it is. I'll be sure not to enter any 'meta-circle' games again. That's for certain.

My goal is to find scum.

It proves that you cannot read me. So after your 'BBT is super easy to read comment' you're going to look pretty silly post-game.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 10:28 pm

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Soren

Where you gone?

BlueBloodedToffee · Sun May 31, 2015 10:36 pm

I also think you (RC) have a niggling doubt about your scum read on me but you're not allowing yourself to reconsider because...ego? That would be my best guess, I think you would be extremely annoyed if I was scum and you didn't catch me after your recent comments about me.

Just a thought.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:04 am

Nah.

I'm getting lynched because a) scum are on my wagon and b) town don't give a fuck.

Not much I can do about either of those.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:15 am

So, here's a question;

How come none of the meta circle managed to pick up that Cho was scum?

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:21 am

LOL.

This game.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:23 am

In post 1243, pieguyn wrote:I have nothing left that I want to do this day phase. I still disagree with the Soren scum reads, btw. might elaborate on it in-depth sometime later, if it becomes relevant

Why am I scum?

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:46 am

OK, I'm SK.

I killed Cho.

Scum prob targeted me.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:46 am

EBWOP: I'm 1-shot BP SK.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:49 am

I was actually trying to find scum but this game was a joke from the get go.

I'm not sure I've ever given less of a shit about a game.

GL Town. I think you'll need it.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:50 am

Soren/NM look like solid lynches.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:51 am

Hobbes should be made to do something as well.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:42 am

GG scum.

Thanks for modding Bins.