Mini 1705: Game Over

[Firebringer]

VOTE: samx

Game begins, time for me to lead town.

[Firebringer]

Good morning, everyone.

VOTE: BananaCucho

For the lulz.

lololololololol

We should pick on the person new to the site.

Vote Samx, cause we bully the new kid here at Mafiascum.

Welcome to the mob Samx, now get lynched!

[Firebringer]

We are supposed to be nice in Mafia?

This was not in the brochure.

[Firebringer]

Hi

Bye!

[Firebringer]

Hmmm

UNVOTE:

I almost lead a train on a veteran. Boy I feel silly.

How about you guys and gals?

[Firebringer]

I don't like how samx wagon is getting so big, what are reasons for this?

Because samx is alt?

Hey eventi, nice playing again with you too.
You think i am allied with samx?

I unvoted because there's nothing scummy about them. I will say getting a avatar because someone voted you to get one seems rather silly. That could be coincidence though.

Or weak will town/scum.

It's null on samx right now.


Banana what do you think of the samx wagon.

[Firebringer]

Cthulhu is jumping on wagons fast but I doubt he is scum, getting weak town vibe from him.
Love his comment about bringing it lol.

Sounds like something I would say.

[Firebringer]

Ohh we'll apparently I misread,

samx you are still pretty much a newbie. I don't see the sarcasm.
I don't see anything pointing to scum slips even from newbie point of view.

So yeah, I think it was genuine attempts to be sarcastic that failed.

[Firebringer]

I would like to here more from a certain someone.

VOTE: klingoncelt

This one in particular.

[Firebringer]

I think I will go play fallout also now.

Bye bye.

[Firebringer]

Pretty good.

Got any reads?

So far I am suspecting Klingon but it's just basically cause she hasn't said much.

[Firebringer]

Hmmm so who is your top scum read so far klingon??

[Firebringer]

Yeah I tend to agree with too early to form most reads.

Hmmm. I want to hear more from the worst. So putting vote there.

VOTE: theworst

Give input!!!

[Firebringer]

@juckter I don't know he gave more thoughts but I still don't like vote on samx and jumping off

Keeping vote here.

[Firebringer]

We'll that was fast.

You just said you had none, player pressures you int getting some then you magically have town read.

It's like you are town or mafia with no backbone. You want to float on by and do zero work without getting lynched.

[Firebringer]

Cool theworst is town I have 1 read

what's your reasoning behind this read you've suddenly come up with?

Convenience?

[Firebringer]

@clara in fairness he could just be lazy town. It's not being very productive to town but I don't policy lynch.

[Firebringer]

Yes it's okay to say that.

Going to give a reads list later today, I am off in a minute here to go eat.

[Firebringer]

We'll at least you have reads lol.

I completely disagree, I have null on banana.

Clara is leaning town for me.

[Firebringer]

Your reads are bad fire sheep me you'll be surprised

I think you are town so seriously sheep me

I'll tell you what I'll look at Clara more closely if I see something unusual I'll vote with you.

Sidebar: how long do days last? Until the group has come to a conclusion on who to lynch?

We have 11 days before deadline, I am assuming like in most of my games so far we will lynch one or two days before that.

I know these can be tedious long.

[Firebringer]

I don't know about all that.

He honestly could be unsure if you are being bad town or scum.
Look at 133 where said didn't consider lynching you.

[Firebringer]

I am just going to point out I think this fight is a TvT

[Firebringer]

Has aeronaut been prodded yet?

Would like some insight from the less active people.

[Firebringer]

@Firebringer: is there a reason you are continuing to ignore BananaCucho and his request?

Who?

Don't know who you are talking about.

[Firebringer]

Only oeople I am getting scum vibe from are Cthulhu and theworst

[Firebringer]

nvm eventi prob scum but we can worry about that later

This was fastest flip if all time of read.

[Firebringer]

Lazy and uniformed goes with town pretty well.

[Firebringer]

Why don't you put your vote on me scrub.

[Firebringer]

Lol you already did.

You are so insignificant I didn't even notice till now.

[Firebringer]

I don't feel pressure.

Weak vote is weak.

I dare town to mislynch me.

[Firebringer]

Spoiler: Mod Edit: Post accidentally made in wrong game

VOTE: Firebringer

I defend you all day and say not to lynch you and this is how you react?


You are scum shit.(not even saying you are literally scum)

VOTE: Salamence20

This is a complete omgus vote. I try to defend him and he stabs me in the back.

He deserves a lynch regardless of alignment.

[Firebringer]

Please ignore my previous post.

I am utterly confused

UNVOTE: Salamance20

Ignore me!!!

[Firebringer]

Anyways I'll claim at L-1.

I think I am at L-2???

[Firebringer]

Huh I am at L-1.



So time for the reveal.

I am Vanilla Townie!!!!

Shocker, right? Lol

[Firebringer]

It is customary when you are about to be lynched to claim you role.

How do you play? Keep information even to the end? That's no way to play town.

[Firebringer]

Hey guys change your vote to ciara

Don't find Ciara to be evil.

Sorry.

[Firebringer]

Huh I am at L-1.



So time for the reveal.

I am Vanilla Townie!!!!

Shocker, right? Lol

I would like to believe that Firebringer. But a scum could as well behave as the way you have behaved, and then claim Vanilla Town.

Carelessly coasting, Voting without a legit reason (outside of RVS) and then agreeing to the reasons stated by others for that vote, not responding to questions directed at you, promising a reads list but not sharing it (Not sure if you have even started to build a serious one), joking around, mocking the votes on you, and then claiming Town?

Could you tell why believing your claim becomes so difficult?

If you contribute more (content wise), and share your reads with us, then it stands to reason to think about your claim. But until then, I don't see a reason to trust your claim (Unless, someone has meta knowledge of how you play as Town, and see your current behavior as your town play).

UNVOTE:

I believe you.

Could you elaborate on that unvote? Did you immediately believe Firebringer is Vanilla Town after he claimed or did you think he was town before he claimed?

Hey guys change your vote to ciara

Bacde, this is suspicious to me. Did you believe in Firebringer's claim? And if so what is the reason? Do you have Meta knowledge of how he plays as town?

I have already made a note that there is some connection between you and Firebringer, I was assuming that it must be a general thing and not relevant to this game. But your attempt to get votes off of Firebringer and onto Ciara without a solid reason is making me think otherwise.

No one is going to hammer Firebringer at L-1, because then we will be onto them immediately on the following day. Also, when you posted "Let's get ciara" I assume that you didn't notice Klingoncelt's unvote. But you posted again to change the vote to Ciara? Why are you trying to direct us without reason? This is scummy af.

FoS on you

for that redirection tactic.

I honestly don't care if you believe my claim, I gave it and you are free to lynch me.

When I flip town don't say I didn't give you reasons to unthink your vote.


Also hell no I am not adapting my play to conform to what you want .
Which is essentially what you ask for in your post.

It was basically like "play how I want, I don't care about your claim it doesn't matter, playing how I play is more important than claims"

I will assist town to win. I am under no obligation to play as how you describe.
I will vote scum and give reads when I deem necessary.

Don't like it? Lynch me.

[Firebringer]

am I the only one who doesn't organize their thoughts at all?

[Firebringer]

Firebringer, I don't like this attitude

Your play style seems Roguish, I don't know what to make of this.

Are you threatening us to not vote you? Because if we vote you and you flip town then we would be blamed for the mislynch? That is scummy! Why are you intimidating us?

I was just mentioning the standard play style, and not asking you to play according to my wishes. It is beneficial for us to learn to understand each other's thought process to identify inconsistencies and scummy behavior. And I have learned that your thought process is

toxic

!

I don't see how your play style is going to be helpful for us at all. If you are willing to assist town, then you should probably reconsider your strategy. Because it is not a single person game, where you just go and win the game for town. It is a team game, and if you are one of us then you should help us understand what is going on in your head. Confusing us, and raging at us is only making it hard for us to believe you. I don't like acidic behavior among team mates, it just makes it so much harder to work together.

I will vote scum and give reads when I deem necessary.

We cannot even be sure if you are voting for scum, or you are mislynching along with us, or you are trying to bus your team mate. By the looks of it, I am sure that our scum reads would be quite different. And even when you vote along with us, I cannot be sure if your vote is genuinely protown.

And we cannot even ask you about it, because you will just be acidic towards us.

You are officially asking for policy lynch.


I said to lynch me if you think I am scum. Do you think so? Then do so.

I have warned you guys enough. You threaten me with a lynch and then say I am threatening you? What?

Who is in the stand about to get lynched?
Me.

I 'threaten you' by warning you about this bad lynch rain you guys are on.

[Firebringer]

I don't know if I call it ruthless, we play much faster paced games so getting your message across and getting players to follow you requires a more pronounced play style.

These games tend to be more "relaxed". Things happen slowly, no one i feel is ever in a rush even if we are hours away from a lynch.

I usually play mafia where days are literally only about 5-6 min maybe long.

You need to convey information fast and get people to respond fast too.

That's the environment I learned in.

So my style is aggressive and passionate for most part.

I pull attention to me so players listen.
That's how you get players to follow you.

Here though it mostly makes people think I am scum though, so I usually at least avoid NKs

[Firebringer]

Jesus, this happened.

I don't think Firebringer is obvious scum, but he's acting anti-town for sure. Him claiming does make things more complicated. The fact that he was put at L-1 is not good, and specifically he was put on L-1 by Salamence who hasn't been reading through the whole game until now.

Here's the thing Firebringer; what got me annoyed personally was that you would

constantly

ignore people's posts. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you ignored this post right now and instead responded to Salamence or something. You ignored information and questions and that is frustrating because we want responses and reactions to find scum.

I play EpicMafia, as a bit of meta on my part, my playstyle adapted to the mafiascum way of doing things. And that's a super aggressive site as well, or at least used to be. Klingon mentions that Banana came from the "ruthless place", and I think he adapted the best judging of the three from his playstyle. Hell, Klingon doesn't ignore posts like Firebringer does. Which is why I'm gonna color my post red and bold so maybe I speak to Firebringer somehow and get his attention.

@Klingon This is like, the most you've given us ever, and it's not even helpful for town, just some meta. Can you more post like that?

@Gale ISO is right next to the post number, which is to the right of your avatar, It's called Isolation, nifty thing that allows you view only one person's posts. Of course, at the bottom, you can mess around with the display posts by user, where you can add users and stuff and it's all great fun.

@Salamence Banana you said was town in response to my question, then you don't mention him again. Guessing he's null for you now? What changed your mind, I find him quite town myself. Also you're right, I don't understand why no one called you out for your vote on him, it's mind-numbingly silly.
Also sidenote, the hell does "townbloc'd" mean?

I'm gonna try to analyze and scumhunt later in the day, or tomorrow maybe but it should be today. I think enough info has come out finally to

The only thing I'm worried about is that Aeronaut slot, which might get replaced soon.

Also I was rushed on this post, apologize for lack content/mistakes.

I have only ignored one persons posts here, and it's for my own personnel reasons.

I don't care what you think, I will not play the way you want me to play just to please you.
Go for policy lynch on me if you must, but those are often scum lead.

Also not every question needs a answer and some questions are dumb.

Sidebar: what is RVS?


Is it normal for players to claim Town when they're at L-1? I found that claim to be a little desperate but I'm not quite sure of how things run here/what the play style is like. It's like if you have a gun on your head, and you're desperately pleading innocent to your killer.

I don't think players claim to be evil at L-1 here. Maybe jesters, fortunately none in this game. Though jesters make the game more fun.

If you believe my claim is most important .
Vanilla townie is just a citizen role.

If you don't proceed to vote me. I gave information to town.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer - scum or anti town. Was not ignoring me until I voted him. As the wagon on him grew, the trolling and anti town behavior increased. This is not the same type of behavior Firebringer started the game with and frankly not the type of behavior I'm used to from Firebringer (I know him from sc2mafia).

Just a few things off the top of my head that have come to my attention. I'll they to do some more analysis tonight if I'm not too busy in vacation prep.

So this is blatantly false about me.

Way to misrepresent me.

Scum tell.

VOTE: BananaCucho

Listen to me town, banana just lied about meta. Lynch away.

[Firebringer]

Yes you are.I hear rumors we are scum buddies bacde.

Let's be BFF.

[Firebringer]

Listen to me town, banana just lied about meta. Lynch away.

I'll bite, how did Banana lie about meta? In what way? What's the truth so I can believe you?

You know I'm a g cuz I made it on to Sam's reads list

SUPER TOWN

- TheWorst (It's pretty obvious, right?)

I got super town though, I'm more than a g, I'm a gg for scum.
BUT seriously, good on you Sam that was decent. Use bold for FoS to get people's attention.

Oh and Sala, what was the mindset behind putting Firebringer at L-1 despite not reading? You never explained that.

This is exactly how I play,

Only difference is I usually demand more people to sheep me and follow me as I declare myself town leader.

But meta on here everyone calls me a troll for doing so
So I do a slightly subdued version here.

[Firebringer]

Hahahahahaha

This misrepresentation never ends.

Catch 22 if I answer Banana.
If I do I won't be playing like me
If I don't you guys call me scum and banana leads stupid mislynch on me.

So going back to ignore.

Going to find out scum, banana and whoever is other scum.
Unsure who else.

[Firebringer]

Way to point to a game where I was mafia, you are so stupid.

If anything that says I am more responsive as scum.

[Firebringer]

Way to point to a game where I was mafia, you are so stupid.

If anything that says I am more responsive as scum.

Mafia was not scum that game, rule breakers were. Don't twist this into something it isn't.

Anyone is free to read that setup if they want. Fire is intentionally lying here over and over - but WHY

That setup was a bastard game , but my objective remained to kill the town. So you are misinforming them of the fact I was the godfather.

It's horrible evidence of me playing differently lol

[Firebringer]

Guys I honestly wouldn't waste your time reading that,
That game was steaming pile if crap , it was very odd to play and made no sense.

Back to this game.

A vote for banana is a vote for better tomorrow.
Where we don't have banana to deal with.

Lynch me or banana but realize that lunching me will be a mislyncj.

[Firebringer]

Juckter is my other scum read.

Don't know the third member of their little gang is.

[Firebringer]

Salamance or Cthulu yeah bit of them are null for me. One of those two for third scum.

[Firebringer]

Klingon what's your opinions on Banana??

[Firebringer]

A wagon on banana is better.

Banana is good at faking town. Blending in with environment.

I.E not to be trusted.

[Firebringer]

A wagon on banana is better.

Banana is good at faking town. Blending in with environment.

I.E not to be trusted.

July 10, 2015

Did you not read previous posts where Banana provided a link to game we played in together??

[Firebringer]

Banana started with meta play using other site, I just piled on.

Her behavior here is vastly different then on that site.

Whether that means scum or not I wanna try to find out.

[Firebringer]

@theworst you are right, it's actually a little hypocritical for me to vote on her cause she is doing same.

Meta aside, I will not address her questions.

You guys can suck it. I claimed move on nor lynch me. I will not continue with this nonsense.

[Firebringer]

It's always nice when players can get along.

Referring to events and bacde btw.

Anyways, still would like supporter on Banana

[Firebringer]

Prodge. Sorry everyone, still sick (pneumonia). I've been skimming the new posts - I'm not too crazy about duppin's entrance, and I don't understand the Ciari wagon. Anyone care to explain why he's scum?

Bacde gave explanation few pages back , I didn't find it convincing in slightest though.

So eventi, still consider me scum?

[Firebringer]

I am fine with your play style bacde.

I actually think you are likely town.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Firebringer

You are aleady voting me lololollloll

[Firebringer]

I don't know what to think of eventi.

Can't tell if he is pushing me cause I am a easy mislyncj or if he legitimately thinks I am scum.

[Firebringer]

I am fine with your play style bacde.

I actually think you are likely town.

Firebringer

, why are you fine with a playstyle that you actually consider ineffective?
You said it yourself multiple times, that Ciara seems town. Therefore, Bacde isn't doing his job at finding scum according to your read and is currently tunneling a town read of yours. And you haven't really done anything to convince him otherwise.

Bacde

, have you ever considered that Ciara might view you as bad town if she townreads you? She seems more confused than anything if you've looked at her recent posts, and doesn't understand your reasoning. Why do you find it scummy that she does townread you exactly?

Still waiting for other inactives like Gale and Cthulu.
I think we should start talking about lynches once they come back, before the entire town stops posting out of lack of motivation and inactivity.
D1 discussion can only go for so long, we need new fresh info and action to revitalize town.

I dont remember ever saying my playstyle is ineffective. It just doesn't work here as much as I would like.
Less effective might be more appropriate.

I like my playstyle anyways, I wouldn't want to change it.

Also Bacde job was to convince me that Ciara was scum not me convince him that Ciara was town.
If anyone is supposed to defend anyone its yourself.

I have had people say I am town and not go into some detail as why, but is it realistically their job to stop you from voting them?

Job of Town = Lynch scum.

Not convince everyone to play with each other nicely.

[Firebringer]

Well we agree to disagree, thats how we work so well!!!!

[Firebringer]

theworst hard town, firebringer is looking scummier to me no offense dude

None taken bro.

[Firebringer]

Eventi I am just unsure off where to stand with him.

He gives me reasons to doubt my original town read of him.

[Firebringer]

Interesting list. I don't agree with it at all though, but oh well.

Why do you think Salamence is scum, and why is your vote not on him?

It's kind of a gut thing. Sal is "reading" others, but not elaborating in the slightest, not about anyone. Not asking a lot of questions, either.

Not giving any reasoning at all makes it easier to avoid scumslips - and scrutiny after a mislynch.


Yes, I can put my vote there.

VOTE: Salamence

Ehhhh some town don't elaborate either.

I would like to hear why sala thinks events is town, I kinda thinks so but want to hear his reasons.

[Firebringer]

Bcade tunneling hard.

Can we focus discussion on eventi?

I would like to discuss banana but she is V/LA so kind if pointless.

[Firebringer]

While I find your paranoia very admirable. I can get paranoid too as town.

Except your really doesn't make sense.
It's pretty obvious to all that you have been tunneling for awhile. It's pretty much a fact.

I am still waiting on a compelling case, which you have failed to do so far.

Banana and Eventi look like way better options than Ciara.

[Firebringer]

Banana just mad someone is town reading me.

Her vote doesn't seem genuine it feels stupid.

Again people, Eventi or Banana.

One or other. Hermit got a opinion?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Eventi
We'll either you or banana are scum.
I don't see scum showing allies this early.
Perhaps banana is town.

You are hardcore trying to buddy Banana

[Firebringer]

You're right that I do think we're more likely to get a train going on Salmance than Firebringrer today. I'll gladly switch back to Fire if needed

If you think I an scum you shouldn't move vote , what's your case on sala?

Anti own statement.

[Firebringer]

My flip will tell you jack shit.

Won't help you figuring out anyone's alignment.

Explain whose alignment it confirms with my flip of town?

[Firebringer]

Gonna no lynch then.

Fire is shitty town

Rude!

But not totally inaccurate.

[Firebringer]

Ok here's a question to stir up discussion:

How many mafia do you think are voting for firebringer right now?

This is open to everyone!

At least one? At least at height of my train.

[Firebringer]

Noobness strikes again. What does "scum on" and "scum off" mean?

Idk about that too, but SamX why aren't you voting someone?

If you are not sure on who to vote, then take a look at the individual posts of Salamence20, Firebringer, eventi, and Ciara. And then choose the most scummiest according to you.

You have around 1 1/2 days to make your mind, so I don't think its a tough thing to do.

and you have? You have said recently you aren't so sure yet vote is still on me.

It's kind of like you are waiting for another one of these trains to go full gear before you jump.

[Firebringer]

Joy from what?
I have no idea what you are getting on about.

You have stated you are nth confident with your vote then tell Samx to just pick someone.

Is this factually incorrect?

[Firebringer]

I don't know if sala is trying to be friendly to me later but it don't think Ciara is scum.
Also like sala said lynching a VLA isn't very useful considering we won't get a claim.

[Firebringer]

Gale I don't see how you can read even to posts and not be susp of him.

[Firebringer]

Gale just trust me ok, we dont have time for you to reread.

WE HAVE A FUCKING DAY

I don't understand what you guys want me to do? I am already set in my mind to vote Firebringer for day 1, I think he is scummy and I hate his play style. I told you guys about my reads on Klingoncelt, and I found her scummy too, but not as detrimental to our discussions as Firebringer is.

My rereading has nothing to do with us deciding on a scum to lynch today; as far as I can see, I have missed all the unnecessary interactions that you guys had because of Firebringer + Banana + Eventi + Bacde + you brawling together.

As far as I can see, there is a PBPA on Klingoncelt and there is scummy as sh8 interaction with Firebringer + a VT claim by him. If I were to choose one between the two, I will choose Firebringer. Because his acidic behavior doesn't encourage constructive discussions.

I have not had one useful interaction with him over the entire day, I still try to give him the benefit of doubt and he charges on me for that. Which only increases my intent to vote him tbh.

This so sounds like a policy lynch.

You mention behavior being toxic and hating play style.
This doesn't say "I think he is scum " so much it says " I don't care if he is scum, he is useless"

Lol and you call me Anti town.

[Firebringer]

Cool Gale admits reason why.

I am fine with his reasoning . If I had to count number times someone has gone over the top and said they hate me lol. I don't know I would be able to quit my day job.


Now how about we lynch Eventi.

L-3 we need some of the inactive to vote.

[Firebringer]

Since when has day one not been a cluster fuck?

You guys live in a fantasy world if you think day one is a organized day where everything is coordinated and town is uniform.

Once it hits day two the game can be reasonably seen the outcome of, either for town or mafia.

[Firebringer]

I won't be NK cause players like you think I am scum.
So easy to get players like you to lynch me is why scum want me around.

That's why I won't get NK.

Also I like how you are going to ignore me but mention me almost everyone of your sentences.

Can you look at someone else and scum hunt? You say I am disrupting and causing problems but you aren't exactly trying to rectify it at all.

Instead of hunting for anyone else besides me you continue to display a fit over my actions.

You are part of the problem, not just me.

Eventi needs looking at, his posts seem fishy and his stances don't seem genuine.

[Firebringer]

Bacde you have reason events?

Duppin? You been quiet? Thoughts?

[Firebringer]

I want everyone to note duppin kind of lurking nature.

[Firebringer]

Eventi looked so scummy, he commented on my playstyle like he knew it so intimately. It was actually misrepresentation of me and looked like he was trying to go for easy mislynch.

This is pretty much my fault on that screw up town.
I pushed that lynch really hard.

If I am lynched today, I understand.

[Firebringer]

At first glance it looks like he was taken out for being a Town Leader type, although there were a couple players he was pressuring.

I'll re-read Day1 after I get some sleep.

Firebringer

, that's a curious thing to say. Why should Town want to lynch one of their own? Why not say you're going to work hard to find the evil Scums?

Because this game frustrates me cause I was scum reading a town player hard.

I have no clue about Banana cause she is impossible to read. Like its coin flip if she is town or scum in every game I witnessed her play.
Her heavy pressure on me kind of screams town but it could be just fake bs.

No one else pings to me. I don't have clues or reads.

Yeah if I get lynched it wouldn't help town, but I don't feel super helpful ATM either, nor do I see that changing in near future with the way this game is going.

What I want to know is, why did Scum kill TheWorst?

I've got some ISOing to do.

Implying you don't know why you killed him.

So anyway, how do you guys feel about a Ciara train today?[

If you think Kling is scum don't say tongue and cheek shit like this. Put your money where your mouth is, and put your vote on her.

[Firebringer]

@Duppin I have no feelings towards any train today.

@Salamance Really? I mean, he could be scum, but ugh.

I hate how useless I feel after Day 1 Mislynches.

[Firebringer]

Going to sheep Bacde because reasons.
VOTE: Ciara

[Firebringer]

Vote Ciara! Because Bacde told me too.

[Firebringer]

Ciara is scum. It says so in my role PM.

VOTE: Ciara

Hermit, you are awesome.
Never change.

[Firebringer]

I thought it cause you were stupid and you screwed up?
Nice save.

[Firebringer]

Naah, I am way worse than him. Don't even compare badness Banana. You suck but, I am way worse.

You will never get on my level.

[Firebringer]

Why is your vote one me then?

@Gale, I am town. Deal with it.

@Kling get on Ciara.

@Sala get back on this wagon!

[Firebringer]

You probably Gale.

BTW Ciara is at L-2!

[Firebringer]

I said Kling would shoot you, and if you can't see reasons then wow.

Kling has a bad attitude towards you almost all day.

[Firebringer]

I am surprised you are engaging me, weren't you basically ignoring me?

Also seriously? Kling tells you some meta on me and you instantly believe it? Banana gave you meta too and you instantly flip when someone gives you a different opinion?

I don't get you, I do think you are town though.

[Firebringer]

Fair enough. Gale, I don't really feel like fighting you either. Since I consider it TvT, I just question some of your judgments.

[Firebringer]

I am busy so:
I am V/LA till Friday site wide/

[Firebringer]

I am back on this wagon:
VOTE: BananaCucho
Reasons:
Too town like for their own good.
Meta.

GG, not moving vote. Lynch me if you don't believe me.

[Firebringer]

I blame everyone, mostly me. I suck with Banana in games, she is impossible to figure out.

For all I know the team is: Banana, Samx, and Klingoncelt.

[Firebringer]

I am saying for a manner of "I AM SO FRICKING LOST HERE ARE SOME PEOPLE I DONT SEE AS A TEAM"
I don't think you are teamed with Banana or Samx, for all I know that could be a team though since I don't see a strong team anywhere here.

Nor any good leads on who would be scum, I want banana lynched though, I don't trust her. I am not moving vote under any circumstances.

[Firebringer]

Thinking is for noobs.

Get Rekt Banana.

[Firebringer]

Honestly, Banana needs a lynching.
I maybe not appear as 'town' as her, but she seriously hasn't helped town either much. All her reads are useless, all her comments of me are false.

She is as useful as me, so not very.

Lynch me or her. I demand that for today.

[Firebringer]

Thinking is for noobs.

Get Rekt Banana.

So you admit this bullshit lie about my meta has nothing to do with

thinking

, and everything to do with some

stupid grudge you have against me?

See, this is what happens when you don't lynch obvscum at L-1 day 1. Good fucking job everyone.

Naah, you are making it personal.
I really think you are scum.

I was angry that you misrepresented me, but I am over it now. I just want you lynched and gone.

Goodbye banana, I will see you tonight when scum hits me.

[Firebringer]

Fire's strategy for this game:

1. Avoid any type of thinking or reasoning
2. Act as anti town as possible
3. Lie about both his and my meta
4. Want a lynch on someone under the guise of being "too town"

And somehow Fire is still here day 3. Holy balls its incredible.

You should try the strategy more often as town.
It works incredibly well.

Scum wont hit you cause come on, they could push a lynch on you anytime. Town might mislynch you, but hey some town might rethink it and try to figure out if you are actually town or not.

[Firebringer]

I don't care about this game anymore. I think we lost. I have no clue on scum team, I am sure that Banana isn't on my team and that she is likely scum.

She is also probably not going to get lynched because of that. I am going to get lynched today or she is.
Thats how this day is going down.

I am not deviating from this path, so scum go ahead and push on me. IDGAF

[Firebringer]

So what more Fire?! Which lies more do you want to perpetuate as fact?? You can't even make good fake claims god you are so bad at pretending you are town!

lol you know damn well as scum I make up crazy ass claims.
A VT claim isn't my style. Where is the fun in that?

"Ohh yeah I am VT" LAME!

I did claim a VT though in Varsoon game, though I was more a Neutral Evil guy since I literally didn't have night abilities.

[Firebringer]

Hey fire be more like me and assume you lost from the get go and then any mafia you lynch is like a huge bonus

We aren't goign to lynch a single scum. I am going to get lynched and this game is going to be over soon so w/e

Im gonna wait on voting fire til im more comfortable, even though i am highly suspicious of her

Hey at least yukari died amirite guys???

No. Nothing about this game is good.
We pushed bad lynches after bad lynches.

[Firebringer]

Its hilarious how out of context you took that.
Read the next sentence again.

[Firebringer]

lololol

At least you can give me a good laugh Banana. Even if you are scum, it can be enjoyable playing with you.

[Firebringer]

Lol keep saying it Banana in sure everyone to lynch me.
You don't need a good case on me to mislynch, it's entertaining how you try so hard.

Banana you got this.

[Firebringer]

Lol how many people you going to attack in. Order to mislynch me?

[Firebringer]

Hmmm let's see would I rather call people out for scummy posts

Or would I rather vote someone for not being scummy enough

HMMMMMMM

So who would you like to mislynch and which you want to night kill?

[Firebringer]

Banana, Fire, both of you shut up.

Your pissfest isn't helping either of your cases against each other.

There are at least 3 Scum in this game. Who are your 2nd and 3rd choices?

This pissfest won't end till I am ten feet under.

[Firebringer]

Who wants a joint? *passes the joint around*

[Firebringer]

Okay Bacde, someone needs to put you in your goddamn place.

You are either the most obvious scum ever, or just horrible ass town.

You have been wrong on Ciara who you tunneled extremely hard, failed to make a case on them but we followed anyways. You now call me, sala, and kling scum.

I know you are wrong on me, and I am assuming now just because what you said Sala and Kling are town because YOU HAVE BEEN SO WRONG.

Conclusion: Bacde you get no more say, you follow our vote and shut up.

[Firebringer]

Okay Bacde, someone needs to put you in your goddamn place.

You are either the most obvious scum ever, or just horrible ass town.

You have been wrong on Ciara who you tunneled extremely hard, failed to make a case on them but we followed anyways. You now call me, sala, and kling scum.

I know you are wrong on me, and I am assuming now just because what you said Sala and Kling are town because YOU HAVE BEEN SO WRONG.

Conclusion: Bacde you get no more say, you follow our vote and shut up.

This post is so hypocritical and sad its almost comical. Almost. All of these things are true about Fire

No good reasons were given to drive the Ciara wagon. Care to give reasons for driving a wagon on me Fire? Other than LYING about meta?

I am trying to get lynched here banana, no one is moving in on me.
You are doing great. Keep up the good work.

[Firebringer]

I'm hyper cause I just figured it out!

Salamence dies today.

Tonight*

And youve been hyper all fucking day.

My anger with Fire may be clouding my judgement

If he really is town and we lose its 100% his fault we lost

Way to throw blame at me, go play another game. You can't fool me Banana, I know better.

[Firebringer]

lol Fire you don't know squat. Why do you even play on this site? I would think there's way too many VTs for your taste.

Go away Banana. I love VTs. Don't you misrepresent me.

[Firebringer]

You sure know how to push my buttons. I don't know what to say. So angry with you.

[Firebringer]

Banana's desperation reads as town to me

Salamence are you willing to lynch kling or fire with us?

Again, you have no god damn say in anything. No one will follow you. No one will listen to you.

If ANYTHING, we will vote for whoever you are trying to push a lynch on.

[Firebringer]

Ok why should we lynch kling over you

The only reason I am not pushing a lynch on you is cause I don't think scum could be as stupid as you have been acting. You are just likely bad town.

[Firebringer]

Banana's desperation reads as town to me

Salamence are you willing to lynch kling or fire with us?

Again, you have no god damn say in anything. No one will follow you. No one will listen to you.

If ANYTHING, we will vote for whoever you are trying to push a lynch on.

You guys listened to me when I said Eventi was scum.

Youre reaching for bullshit now

I thought Eventi was scum cause he made up a bs case on me. I don't even remember your arguments on him were. I just remember his vote and his reasons why I was scum were horrible and he didn't feel like town after that.

I contributed to that mislynch.
I also joined Bacde for the mislynch of Ciara, and you know what? I know my decisions this game have been poor, but I am not taking full credit for Ciara. Thats mostly on Bacde and his shitty case on Ciara.

Lynch me or don't. Bacde, should not be listened to.

[Firebringer]

If I'm not mistaken, Bacde was the one who hammered Ciara on D2, no? There was a 10(?) day deadline and Bacde hammers a day or two after N1. This is intent to kill! (Not going to lie though, I thought Ciara was a bit scummy with the V/LA when put under pressure, and then not V/LA and then V/LA again... BUT she could've been actually V/LA.... i DON'T KNOW ANYMORE) BUT REGARDLESS, SHE WAS VT.

I agree with y'all. Fire is shitty town.

Says shitty town.

[Firebringer]

Well, I don't know what to do. This has been a big clusterfuck.
I feel I could be wrong about banana, but I don't really want to back down, cause I said I wouldn't.....[I don't want to be a liar]

I doubt Gale is scum, the pushes on me seemed townie to me. I don't know. I have been pretty useless this game.

[Firebringer]

Ugh, I am at that point. Where you just want to find out answers and you are like YOLO!
VOTE: Salamence20

Sala, must be brought down! If I am wrong about this lol I don't know, going to sulk for a few weeks.

[Firebringer]

Hermit must die for he is a terrorist.
How do you kill Hermit though? He is just too adorable, look at that teddy bear wiggle and tell me you want to kill him.

I want to say sorry Sala if you are town, this is all my bad and I take 100% of the fault if we lose this game. I am the LvP.

[Firebringer]

VC 3.02

St Constantine the Hermit (0)-

Bacde (1)-

SamX

duppin (0)-

Salamence20 (3)-

BananaCucho, Klingoncelt,Firebringer

(L-2)

Firebringer (0)-

SamX (0)-

BananaCucho (0)-

Klingoncelt (4)-

Gale Wing Srock, duppin, Salamence20, Bacde

(L-1)

Gale Wing Srock (1)-

St Constantine the Hermit

Not Voting (0)-

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-09-10 20:00:00) - Sep 10th 19:00 GMT[/area]

This is why I feel like I am on the right wagon. Look at vote distribution.
If Banana and Kling were scum, they would have another vote on this thing!
Duppin, Sala, Gale, and Bacde are all suspects for scum.
Hermit is probably just hermit.

[Firebringer]

Or. And hear me out.
We lynch you, then if you flipped town. We get Klingon. Sound good? Okay, break.

[Firebringer]

I don't know if its proof that Sala is scum, but it feels odd no one has hammered because he is scum.

Ugh, I don't know. I kinda want to unvote him lol.
Sala if you are town, going to rage hard at you after this for voting yourself. Come on man, you are better than that. I should actually just rage at you for voting yourself period. Thats weak.

[Firebringer]

OMG PEOPLE LETS FUCKING GO

DO IT.

STOP STALLING AND LYNCH ME YOU FUCKS

shut the fuck up banana,

Eat rope fucker

HOLY FUCK THIS GAME.

VOTE ME OR IF YOU ARE HESITANT VOTE KLINGON.

THATS IT

NOW HAMMER ME

I agree with all of these posts, please someone hammer so I can know for sure how much of a idiot I am.
I mean I am pretty sure I am huge one, but I would like to know I have some sense.

The fact I hvent been hmmer only confirms Klingon and Banana as scum.

What? How? Wouldn't their ally be on it?
Or are you saying I am scum too?

#Confused

[Firebringer]

Just hammer Salamance don't be stupid

I feel like I am the stupid one for trusting you right now Banana.
Like my brain and gut are telling me two different things.
My brain is saying "DONT TRUST BANANA!"
The gut is saying "DUDE STOP THINKING BANANA IS SCUM SHE IS TOWN!"

It bothers me.

[Firebringer]

I can't help you with your pride Fire.

I had to suck up my pride by unvoting you.
Now I put all my faith on something I am like 60% sure will backfire in my face horribly.

W/e YOLO, I will have a good laugh after if you were scum. You can make fun of me then.

[Firebringer]

FIRE VOTE KLINGON AND BECOME CONFTOWN.

ILL LET YOU HAMMER BANANA TOMORROW

You lost my support completely when you voted yourself bro.
Thats too anti town move even for my tastes.

[Firebringer]

GAMEPLAY

Couldn't you do that without the need to bribe me? lol

[Firebringer]

Sala I would like to hydra with you one day though

[Firebringer]

This game lol.
Will go down in history for me as most annoying mafia scum game yet lol.

God and I thought one of my other games was frustrating and annoying.

At least its mildly entertaining the way Sala is hysterically waving his hands trying to get me to change votes.

<3 you sala.

[Firebringer]

Lmao SamX the game in your hands

Help us SamX, you're our only hope

Great....
Bacde I am having a hard time believing we are on same team sometimes.

[Firebringer]

It seems people dont understand that there is a tomorrow regardless of if town gets lynched.

I dont understand why we are stalling here

This is just a preview of tomorrow if we don't lynch a scum.
Town will be completely uncoordinated and scum will take advantage of it completely and cause a pretty easy mislynch.

[Firebringer]

Wrong, if I die. I flip town and Kling gets speedlynched.

If Klingon dies and flips scum, we speedlynch Banana

I am glad someone is sure of themselves in this game lol
Cause I gotta say, not positive either train is going to get us scum lol.

[Firebringer]

The days on this site should get progressively shorter as each day passes. This is just stupid at this point. Nothing is happening.

I think some moderators on here cut the day times shorter if everyone agrees to it.
I know they definitely do that for night actions if everyone asks for it.

[Firebringer]

Really?
I am still alive?
Ugh...

[Firebringer]

This is for Salamence.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

In his memory.

Also I want the medal for Least Valuable Player this game, I am a horrible town player this game.

[Firebringer]

I never learn anything.

[Firebringer]

BUT THIS IS WHAT SALA TOLD ME!

DO YOU WANT HIM TO DIE IN VAIN!?!?!?!

[Firebringer]

This is for Salamence.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

In his memory.

Also I want the medal for Least Valuable Player this game, I am a horrible town player this game.

You're horrible because you're Scum.

No I am not.
I would know if I was scum, I read my role pm. It said "Vanilla Townie"

[Firebringer]

I'm Town. If I get lynched, Scum wins.

VOTE: Duppin

Fuck it, nobody's holding back -_-

VOTE: Duppin

Are you guys aligned?

My god, I don't know who is being fooled.
Me or Banana.

How is Klingon conftown? Point that out to me Banana.

[Firebringer]

Scum can show reason.

How is duppin scum, want to point that out either?

[Firebringer]

I actually don't remember the slip.

I really don't know if Gale is scum. I feel like duppin might be. Kinda doubt it because Klingon is pushing it.

If Duppin is scum probably not teamed with Kling. Its TvS

[Firebringer]

If Gale claimed not VT and still alive. Why are you two on Duppin?

Shouldn't Gale be person you be pushing?

[Firebringer]

I want to listen to my gut right now.
But my gut is like "You are on your own man, figure it out"

UNVOTE: Klingoncelt

>.>

[Firebringer]

I want to give you a award after this Banana if you are scum.
Cause you have me completely fooled.

VOTE: Duppin

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE: Duppin
I need sleep, ill be back later.

[Firebringer]

These are possibilites:
Theres 3 PR total in game: Sala was one.
That means two more.
I doubt that is filled by masons, because those are relatively useless PRs.
I went to look at other completed normal games and couldn't find any with Masons were all that was given was 2 masons and 1 other role.
If this is true though there would be 2 VTs so we still have one VT liar.

If there is a mason, we could have 4 PRs total:
2 Masons and 2 other roles. So sala covers one and we have another.
That however means I am the real VT and no other VTs.
So I am doubting mason claims right now.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

IS that lynch?

I don't know.
I think SamX and Gale are the scum buddies.
I still think Banana is town for some odd reason.

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE: Kling

Really Fire? Just wait for Gale to claim.

Yes fire!
Don't be indecisive town!
BE DECISIVE!!!!

[Firebringer]

LYLO are always so hectic. Last one I played, I misplayed by aggreeing with one of the hard ass townies who wouldn't put their vote anywhere.

My initial vote was right, he told me to back off.
Then was townreading the person I was calling scum.

He chose what I called the more 'obv' choice as scum.
Guess who was right?
ME!

I don't feel that this game. I just feel complete confusion, my initial feelings were just to go with what sala died for. Then Kling and Banana convinced me to switch.

Then these claims have made me completely rethink this and go back to initial vote.

So, this has been a decently messy LYLO.

[Firebringer]

I agree with Dupin, I don't want us to be in here next day still waiting for a claim by Gale.

[Firebringer]

GG all.

Sala that self vote lol, so bad.

[Firebringer]

Samx shouldve been more obvious.
I knew it was Banana so many timese but it kept coming back, maybe I am wrong and then doubt just spread from there. [Like damn, played it so well. Always plays scum well so w/e]
Gale again, didn't think it was.

GG.

Sorry Event, Claira, and Salamence20.

Also to you to Klingoncelt. This was just not my game.

[Firebringer]

All three games (not including the anonymous one) that I've played with you Fire I've been scum and you town.... Its not my fault that you're used to me being scum in games with you lol

The thing with you Banana when I watch your scum games and town games. They look almost exactly the same.
Their is little differences between the two.
You play up everything and know how to push my buttons, my problems is I can't see through it that well.

It is annoying playing against you when you are scum. I wish players would be more open to lynching you and taking my word but w/e

What you going to do?

[Firebringer]

You played this game well.
You guys deserve this win.

Man, so many scum tried to push on me.
I am shocked I didn't get lynched.

[Firebringer]

Sala's self-hammer is understandable though, really, I would do the same. Its really frustrating when you come to know that people in your same team don't trust you

I guess the most difficult thing to do in the game is, to form a trusting Town Block, despite the scummy interference.

I disagree.

I would never EVER self hammer.
Its not useful to anyone.
I don't even think to scum if you are one. Arguments could be made.

Its gamethrowing.

His reason was for us to go on Klingoncelt, which didn't even help us lol.

[Firebringer]

I looked at other Normal games and when they had masons they also had 2 other Power roles.

Are you serious that all we had was masons and Neopolitian?

[Firebringer]

I can never get over how weak roles are on this site.
Neapolitian = Weak Role.
Masons = Weaker Role.

[Firebringer]

Omg here goes Fire again.

We had 3 goons. 100% balanced.

The game disagrees.
None of you got lynched.
It wasn't even 'close'

[Firebringer]

I am sorry, I get like this when I lose.
I do think this could have used 1 decent tpr to help more with balance.
Like a 1 shot cop or something.

[Firebringer]

I can never get over how weak roles are on this site.
Neapolitian = Weak Role.
Masons = Weaker Role.

Give the town some credit!

Neapolitans, which are not rolecops, are one of the strongest roles on the whitelist, and they synergize with masons dangerously well to boot. The power roles in this game were on track to strangle the scum alive, and then apparently Salamence went and claimed rolecop and hammered himself, and nobody bothered to look up what neapolitans actually are when he flipped?

On Day 3, there were 9 players alive. Two of them were confirmed innocent due to being masons. Salamence had another confirmed innocent, as well as a more ambiguous result on scum. If he'd claimed and you'd believed it, nearly half the game would have suddenly been rendered unlynchable. (Although I think some towns wouldn't believe it due to thinking it was too

townsided

.) I didn't expect all three power roles to be alive coming into Day 3 in the first place, but they were, and this was town's game to lose.

[/reviewertangent]

Speaking of which, congratulations to the scum!

You are right on Neapolitan I never bothered looking it up, I went like "what's that?" Then just went with I guess alt name for role cop?

Masons are never confirmed except by each other so that's so false it hurts.
Any scum team could claim masons. It is not a good role.

[Firebringer]

This could played a lot differently if we understood what a Neapolitan did and if masons revealed yesterday instead LYLO

[Firebringer]

scum played this well, except for Samx who I think everyone just didn't pay attention to because there was so much other stuff happening like TvTs and me and banana fight.

[Firebringer]

Can you find any examples of scum actually claiming masons? Masons don't behave anything like mafia do, and they're pretty much never lynched.

My homesite I have seen it happen.
So, yes. You can make work.
I would claim mason in a heartbeat too.

[Firebringer]

Like I said at start of day I am the LVP this game.
I kinda just wanted game over.
Scum played this well, me and some other town were awful lol.