Mini 1725 - Game Over

[Nosferatu]

Also

VOTE: Firesong

Is there any real reason for this vote, or did we just go back into RVS?

[Nosferatu]

ok.

[Nosferatu]

Firesong confuses me.

[Nosferatu]

Firesong confuses me.

how?

Also

VOTE: Firesong

Is there any real reason for this vote, or did we just go back into RVS?

This is bugging me probably more than it should. Not the question itself but the fact that Nosferatu only posted this and didn't really bother commenting on anything else (His thought on the situation, who he reads as Town, etc.) bothers me for some reason

Probably because it's a naked vote. Soapbar now bears watching.

Um, did you confuse me and Nosferatu? He didn't vote.

You're the one that placed the vote.

I am not getting good feelings about Firesong right now. Firesong, why are you suggesting it bad to place an RVS vote?

I'm not used to going back into RVS, and that was a naked vote. Even as RVS there should be some silly comment with it. I'm not voting for him, but I'll be paying close attention to him. (No, I'm not crumbing Watcher.)

Also

VOTE: Firesong

Is there any real reason for this vote, or did we just go back into RVS?

This is bugging me probably more than it should. Not the question itself but the fact that Nosferatu only posted this and didn't really bother commenting on anything else (His thought on the situation, who he reads as Town, etc.) bothers me for some reason

Probably because it's a naked vote. Soapbar now bears watching.

^ these.

[Nosferatu]

who is she referring to in post 60? What does "Soapbar now bear watching" mean? What point is she making by saying "You're the one who placed that vote"? Pretty much what she means in all of her posts in coherent english.

[Nosferatu]

hmmm... thinking Mario and RC might be town, maybe Glork; super and soap are meh, no scum read strong enough to vote; might just amass townreads and PoE after a re-read.

[Nosferatu]

Oh, you're right. I never saw that post at all. Humm.

Unvote

so wait, why'd you unvote?

[Nosferatu]

nvm

[Nosferatu]

Men with hoodies can never be trusted...

VOTE: Soapbar

I'm not buying it. You know how to vote by now. You're not a newb. You're probably scum with Soapbar.
Soap/Shadoxx/Nos. Heard it here first.

what happened with Super being scum?

[Nosferatu]

no, you thought Super was town, nvm then

[Nosferatu]

Well, I have no reason not to vote Soapbar that I can see.
VOTE: Soapbar

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Annadog40

"I wanna

testing

something real quick"

IMPROPER GRAMMAR

YOU GET RVS VOTE

The fact that he went the extra mile to say it's an RVS vote pings me; makes it seem like he's justifying his vote with extra padding by saying its RVS.

You know what, I'm just going to save people the time

Dayvig shot at Supercool898

Fake ass dayvig way too early on imo

Also

VOTE: Firesong

Is there any real reason for this vote, or did we just go back into RVS?

This is bugging me probably more than it should. Not the question itself but the fact that Nosferatu only posted this and didn't really bother commenting on anything else (His thought on the situation, who he reads as Town, etc.) bothers me for some reason

Expected me to have actual reads on page 3.

His posts that particularly ping my scumdar.

[Nosferatu]

Burden of proof is on you to have a reason to suspect he is scum. The absence of supertowntells is not a reason to vote. Give us organic reasons why you think Soapbar is scum, or you're getting my vote.

What does organic mean?

[Nosferatu]

Well, I have no reason not to vote Soapbar that I can see.
VOTE: Soapbar

I have no reason not to vote you either.

VOTE: Nosferatu

kk

Vote: Annadog40

Why tho

[Nosferatu]

Nice thing to remember.

[Nosferatu]

I really don't have a good feeling about nos right now. It feels like the game isn't important enough for actual thought to him. I feel like he is scum, but I don't really see why I feel that from what I said in the last sentence (uninterested isn't only a scum action).

Why does disinterest set you off? As in, what makes it scummy to you?

[Nosferatu]

@Glork why smudger

[Nosferatu]

I think Fire means shadoxx posted something like a prod dodge disguised as RVS.

[Nosferatu]

Scum Leans

shadoxx8 - Although he has only posted once, I lean him as scum for trying to RVS at page 6 (RVS ended at the bottom of page 3

tops

) and faking inability to vote correctly (he has been in 6 previous games and

still

doesn't know how to vote even when the moderators are clear about how to do it?)

nosferatu - Nos is the perfect example of a lurker trying to look active. For example, 3/18 posts of his are only a single word (counting nvm as a single word) and on a more broad scale, 10/18 posts are either filler or basically say what people already have said/asked. 4/18 posts are actually somewhat good (being generous, as I am counting "Well, I have no reason not to vote Soapbar that I can see. VOTE: Soapbar" and "Why tho" as somewhat good) and 2/18 posts aren't even directly tied to the game (not counting single word posts).

I have no idea why this could possibly be town play.

Scum Reads

Firesong - Firesong... Tsk tsk tsk... Oh where to begin. I believe most of my suspicion of her comes from her hypocrisy involving a strict standard for Soap and a lenient standard for shadoxx8 when the standards should be swapped between the players in question. Also, her calling my conversation with her about shadoxx a "fixation" leads me to believe that she and shadoxx are scum partners and she is trying to cover for him.

If I were to predict the scum team right now, I would predict Firesong/shadoxx8/nosferatu, but

I don't feel as strongly about nos

or shadoxx as I do about fire

lolwat

My short posts are completely normal for my meta btw. I'm not lurking or trying to be active either, I'm making short posts, and I came in late.

Lurking is the act of intentionally not posting during a game Day.

This doesn't describe my play in this game very much.

Two of those one word posts are retracting my erroneous statements, and my other one, 72 is immediately clarified in 74
My reasons for joining the Soapbar wagon have not been mentioned; the other votes come from the interaction between Mario and Soap, which I don't comment on at all. You say my posts are filler and add that to the reasons why you scum read me, but you town read RC who's ISO also contains a lot of filler that isn't relevant to the game whatsoever. Also, please find my posts that are mainly made up of content said by another player.
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Your read on Firesong is weird. You thought shadoxx is scum --> Firesong seems to be defending shadoxx --> Firesong [scummier than] shadoxx?

Why is your shadoxx scum read weaker than your Firesong read if your Firesong read is dependent on shadoxx's alignment? Your read on Fire, from what I can see, falls apart if shadoxx is town.

scumvibes: ^^^

UNVOTE: Soapbar

[Nosferatu]

waiting for his response to this. If I don't like his response, I'll move to Super cause the evidence is greater here. If Super flips scum, Soap would be my thoughts as his scum partner.

[Nosferatu]

Scum Leans

shadoxx8 - Although he has only posted once, I lean him as scum for trying to RVS at page 6 (RVS ended at the bottom of page 3

tops

) and faking inability to vote correctly (he has been in 6 previous games and

still

doesn't know how to vote even when the moderators are clear about how to do it?)

Scum Reads

Firesong - Firesong... Tsk tsk tsk... Oh where to begin. I believe

most of my suspicion of her comes from her hypocrisy involving a strict standard for Soap and a lenient standard for shadoxx8

when the standards should be swapped between the players in question.

Also, her calling my conversation with her about shadoxx a "fixation" leads me to believe that she and shadoxx are scum partners and she is trying to cover for him.

Looks like its mighty dependent on shadoxx to me.

All of the points on fire to some degree come from thinking shadoxx is scum. Ergo, fire read is dependent on shadoxx.

[Nosferatu]

You think the main reason he gives does not apply when shadoxx is town?

From what I can see, no. If it does still apply, it is still marginally weaker.

[Nosferatu]

You think the main reason he gives does not apply when shadoxx is town?

From what I can see, no. If it does still apply, it is still marginally weaker.

The main reason is he believes fire is being hypocritical in the way she has dealt with, what he says are, two similar situations.

Why does this mean if Shadoxx is town that his reasoning doesn't stand? (note: I did not need to use Shadoxx's name while explaining his reasoning)

don't forget this part.

Firesong - Firesong... Tsk tsk tsk... Oh where to begin. I believe most of my suspicion of her comes from her hypocrisy involving a strict standard for Soap and a lenient standard for shadoxx8

when the standards should be swapped between the players in question.

[Nosferatu]

Your read on Firesong is weird. You thought shadoxx is scum --> Firesong seems to be defending shadoxx --> Firesong [scummier than] shadoxx?

Why is your shadoxx scum read weaker than your Firesong read if your Firesong read is dependent on shadoxx's alignment? Your read on Fire, from what I can see, falls apart if shadoxx is town.

Nope! I did not think or say that. My scum read on Firesong comes from her hypocrisy between Soap and shadoxx. I won't go into too much detail as I already have explained it in my reads.

Ok I get your scumread on me, so lets go back to fire.

You said that Fire should have treated shadoxx harsher than Soap when she was doing the opposite. Why should she be harsher on shadoxx?

most of my suspicion of her comes from her hypocrisy involving a strict standard for Soap and a lenient standard for shadoxx8 when the standards should be swapped between the players in question.

^ what I'm referring to, for absolute clarity.

[Nosferatu]

you know, a regular person would interpret tunneling for no apparent reason as scummy behavior and vote would they not?

[Nosferatu]

really?

[Nosferatu]

No, that was when I wss talking about Smudger. I gave very specific reasons for why Nosferatu is scum. Go back and re-read.

You haven't. After reading your ISO, you've only talked about my jump onto the Soapbar wagon.

[Nosferatu]

EBWOP: No, Nosferatu. That's a terrible reason to pile onto someone.

Burden of proof is on you to have a reason to suspect he is scum. The absence of supertowntells is not a reason to vote. Give us organic reasons why you think Soapbar is scum, or you're getting my vote.

What does organic mean?

Natural, something that shows that you actually think he's scum and not just piling onto an easy wagon. Your explanation didn't sell me on anything, except that you're an excellent scum candidate.

^ only posts where you even talk about me outside of asking for my lynch.

[Nosferatu]

Mario, can you explain your meta argument about RC being town?

Mario?

I could.
Or you could read Mini 1682.

I see more posts and more scumhunting in 1682 by page 11 from RC in this game.

[Nosferatu]

nice.

[Nosferatu]

Supercool, your zealotry towards lynching a slot that could turn out to be a town PR is disquieting. We will decide the Shadoxx slot's fate when he's replaced.

So "I'm scumreading this slot" == zealotry?

[Nosferatu]

Hi Maxous!

Are you this useless in all of your games?

Just pray she isn't vig. Unless you're scum, if so rejoice.

[Nosferatu]

Hi Maxous!

Are you this useless in all of your games?

Just pray she isn't vig. Unless you're scum, if so,

pray she is

.

[Nosferatu]

I don't ask three times though.

VOTE: Mario

Explain this please?

[Nosferatu]

RC, what are your reads at this point in the game?

I just realised Shadoxx is actually confirmed scum
VOTE: Shadoxx
1. He knows how to vote.
2. He voted improperly.
3. Scum!Shadoxx does this to appear newb.
4. Town!Shadoxx does this because ?

Or he just forgot to put the vote or [bold] tags on? People aren't perfect you know, and he was probably too lazy to EBWOP considering he flaked out.

I'm 95% sure he did not make a mistake. Most new players use vote tags over bold tags. He also put the "vote:" in all caps, much like the format the vote tag uses.

[Nosferatu]

The fuck did that first quote come from

[Nosferatu]

Welp, at least she's not voting "imaginary" players like last game I had with her.

[Nosferatu]

I think he's talking about Annadog, RC.

^

[Nosferatu]

flaking is pretty non-alignment-indicative to me.

[Nosferatu]

RC, is that votefail intentional? You clearly typed out the vote tag, even though you could've just hit the vote button. The mistake itself doesn't look genuine either.

[Nosferatu]

I don't think scum particularly like RVS though.

[Nosferatu]

why do you always say shadoxx's slot could be a PR? Any one of us could be a PR. Soapbar could be a PR.

[Nosferatu]

why do you always say shadoxx's slot could be a PR? Any one of us could be a PR. Soapbar could be a PR.

That just earned you some scumpoints. Only scum know Shadoxx's alignment. No one knows his role. Lynching an empty slot is like random lynching, you have no clue who you're taking out. It's lazy and antitown.

you take a gamble with any slot cause no one has claimed.

[Nosferatu]

I can see how one can think Shadoxx's vote was fake. I think I explained my reasoning for that earlier though.

Too many players pulling stupid shit~

[Nosferatu]

why do you always say shadoxx's slot could be a PR? Any one of us could be a PR. Soapbar could be a PR.

That just earned you some scumpoints. Only scum know Shadoxx's alignment. No one knows his role. Lynching an empty slot is like random lynching, you have no clue who you're taking out. It's lazy and antitown.

you take a gamble with any slot cause no one has claimed.

No, but you can read their posts and get some sort of read, however weak. You can't be that much of a noob.

Non non mon chéri, this is not what I said. Getting a read on someone's alignment from posts is one thing, but you have consistently defended shadow by claiming he COULD be a town

PR

.

You said that "you can read their posts and get some sort of read".

Well, read on what? There's two ways to fill in the blanks:

"you can read their posts and get some sort of read [on their alignment]" <-- this has nothing to do with what I said, I never even mentioned alignment at all.

Verdict:

Scum

"you can read their posts and get some sort of read [on their role]" <-- this is speculating on PRs.

Verdict:

Scum

No matter which way I read this, I always reach the same conclusion.

This plus attempted discredit with "you can't be that much of a noob".

VOTE: Firesong

[Nosferatu]

I took a look at Annadog's profile and she visited today, but has so far declined to post. I think that she could be scum with Nosferatu.

Uhhh, what makes you think that we're scumbuddies? Like, individually scummy people =/= scumteam. I don't think there are any particularly scummy interactions we have? Anna is also not playing any differently from last time I played with her btw, she pretty much almost never scumhunts, and she regularly engages in pointless banter over things like "moral support".

Like, go back and look at 159, right after I said I wanted reasons for suspecting Soapbar.

His first reason is because Soapbar said it was an RVS vote? Okay? "Justifying" your RVS vote within the first ten posts of the game is not inherently scummy. I don't even think he was trying to justify an RVS vote. Its very nature is arbitrary. This point doesn't actually make any sense, so it seems made up.

His second reason is incomplete. "Fake ass day vig way too early imo." How does that make him scum? Why would Soapbar, as scum, want to DRAW ATTENTION to himself with a pointless gambit? It's clear that Nosferatu just threw something down without thinking it through. This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about when I say manufactured as opposed to organic. Either Nos isn't thinking through any of his reasoning, or he's intentionally leaving out the analysis in the hopes that we buy what he's selling.

The third reason is self-contradictory. He says he's suspicious that supercool expected him to have reads on Page 3, yet

the posts that pinged Nos the most were BEFORE page 3

. Not only had a lot of non-RVS stuff happened by then, but Nos is claiming that the most suspicious things supercool did were pre-page 3, yet he's allegedly upset that he was asked for reads on page 3. HOW MUCH SENSE DOES THAT MAKE? OH YEAH, ZERO.

Nos is like srsly scum. And he should die. pls, children.

You're absolutely right. I sheeped a popular wagon and came up with shoddy reasoning when questioned about it. It was an incredibly scummy thing to do, and you absolutely should scum read me for it.

Seriously, look at all this scummy shit I've done.

1. Jump on popular wagons
2. Not many original posts
3. ISO is mainly filler
4. Illogical reasoning

But you've only mentioned two of these?

Defending further will yield nothing. But what the hell, right?

Like, go back and look at 159, right after I said I wanted reasons for suspecting Soapbar.

His first reason is because Soapbar said it was an RVS vote? Okay? "Justifying" your RVS vote within the first ten posts of the game is not inherently scummy. I don't even think he was trying to justify an RVS vote. Its very nature is arbitrary. This point doesn't actually make any sense, so it seems made up.

This point actually isn't made up. From my view, what I see is scum trying to cover themselves in the future by saying "well this is RVS". I've done it before as newb scum too, and it's not unreasonable that Soapbar would do it too.

Why would Soapbar, as scum, want to DRAW ATTENTION to himself with a pointless gambit?

He basically attempted to clear super as town, which can make them potential scumpartners. Of course, should Super flip town, this accusation would be rendered irrelevant, so it's pretty weak.

The third reason is self-contradictory. He says he's suspicious that supercool expected him to have reads on Page 3, yet

the posts that pinged Nos the most were BEFORE page 3

. Not only had a lot of non-RVS stuff happened by then, but Nos is claiming that the most suspicious things supercool did were pre-page 3, yet he's allegedly upset that he was asked for reads on page 3. HOW MUCH SENSE DOES THAT MAKE? OH YEAH, ZERO.

They didn't ping me the most, all I really did was give you reasons that no one else had mentioned before.

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Why are you going off on Nosferatu for it but letting me slide?

what do you mean by "it"?

@Super: I don't think you ever responded to 175

[Nosferatu]

does anyone see what Makara is doing, or is it just little old paranoid me?

dunno why you're being so vague, spill the beans
like, i'm voting him so yeah i would be pretty open to talking about him

maybe I am vague for a reason...? anyway Makara jumps on my fist vote and joins the BW then seems to do exactly the same thing with their last vote...... hey I might be wrong.... but ?

So you have an objection to wagoning a scummy played?

Dear god, is that a real question?

I took a look at Annadog's profile and she visited today, but has so far declined to post. I think that she could be scum with Nosferatu.

Uhhh, what makes you think that we're scumbuddies? Like, individually scummy people =/= scumteam. I don't think there are any particularly scummy interactions we have? Anna is also not playing any differently from last time I played with her btw, she pretty much almost never scumhunts, and she regularly engages in pointless banter over things like "moral support".

I wasn't saying anything associative here.

Please give your definition of associative.

[Nosferatu]

@makara, are you just going to ignore the defense post that you wanted me to make?

[Nosferatu]

Town Reads

Glork - Strong scumhunting, good insight on the game. There's nothing that I find scummy about his play, so that earns him a strong townread.

Town Leans
Soapbar - I'm not sure what the reason people are scumreading him is. The dayvig gambit seemed town-motivated, but there is a possibility of a Soapbar/supercool scumteam. If one flips scum, the other should probably be looked at much closer. Otherwise, I like much of what he's posting and it makes sense to me. Overall seems town-motivated.

why is it town-motivated?

supercool898 - Same as Soapbar.

Although he stuck with claiming town throughout the dayvig gambit his reaction seemed disingenuous, which I talked about in my catch up post, which he didn't respond to either

.

Why is he in town leans then?

Slandaar - Again, good logic and insight in the game. Strong scumread, most of what he posts is logical and coherent.

Having a strong scumread is townish?

Null Reads

RadiantCowbells - Started out strong but since then hasn't done much. @RC do you still have no scumreads?
MarioManiac4 - Him not linking the game he was talking about for his meta argument irked me and overall I dislike meta arguments. Otherwise there's not too much else that pops out at me.

If everything you do notice about him bothers you, why is he in null?

Maxous - Shadoxx's RVS vote was scummy but I think that since Maxous has replaced in he has been pretty good with questioning. I'm listing him as null since there's nothing jumping out that's super towny or super scummy.

Scum Leans

Smudger - Barely more posts than Annadog. He barely has any content other than parking a vote on Annadog and then FoSing me for agreeing that Annadog is scummy.
Rory - His scumhunting is weak, and has been tunneling Mario for most of day.

Scum Reads

Firesong - Has been riding on her Soapbar "scumread" all day and I expect her to do the same thing with her "scumread" on me tomorrow.

but Slaandar is being townread for also keeping a strong scumread and sticking with it?

Additionally, has been doing some pretty impressive mental gymnastics to justify a lot of her positions.
Annadog40 - This one doesn't need any explaining. Should be vigged tonight.
Nosferatu - Glork's case on him made sense and he's been kinda "active-lurking" all day. I dislike the way he responded to Glork's case on him.

Do you wanna actually state something original on this one?

My questions on this are in green.

[Nosferatu]

So, since we're probably going to lynch me, what're you guys going to do when I flip town? Like who's scum and who's town from what's happened so far.

[Nosferatu]

Reads (town > scum)

Slandar > Glork/MM4 > Smudge/RC |possible scum starts here| Max/makara/Rory > Super/Soap (if one flips town, the other is probably town, if one flips scum, this opposite) > Fire

I don't care about anna.

[Nosferatu]

*

the

opposite

[Nosferatu]

you guys are so indecisive.

[Nosferatu]

but I'm not scum tho

[Nosferatu]

so i'm parking my vote on the most viable scummy player to lynch

uhhh

[Nosferatu]

I'm fine with lynching rory or makara.

UNVOTE: Firesong
VOTE: Rory

[Nosferatu]

Well I was like super nice yesterday but nice never works for me so now I am big bad Slandaar again.

It is likely Glork targetted Nos but not guaranteed.

RC being killed n1 is very surprising. Scum

No.
VOTE: Nosferatu

what do you mean when you said "no" here?

[Nosferatu]

With Rory flipping town and with the recent revelation of an SK, I'm inclined to go with my reads from earlier. Postive that Annadog (Now Aristophanes)/Nos/Makara is the scum-team and that Smudger is the SK, but not so sure about that SK read.

So VOTE: Makara

look up the weak modifier.

@Mario: What's your opinion of Maxous's theory:

Generally experienced players like Glork will leave a subtle hint just before the end of the day phase as to who they are going to target in case they die that night.
That's what glork did with Roryscum ===> Smudgerscum.
It doesn't really matter that Rory flipped town it was an indication from Glork that he was going to target Smudger
ergo it's a guilty on Smudger

[Nosferatu]

Well I was like super nice yesterday but nice never works for me so now I am big bad Slandaar again.

It is likely Glork targetted Nos but not guaranteed.

RC being killed n1 is very surprising. Scum

No.
VOTE: Nosferatu

what do you mean when you said "no" here?

seemed like a scumbuddy shying away from your wagon?

So you're scumreading me and Slandar?

[Nosferatu]

Notice how firesong is literally FoSing half of the town

Seems like she's throwing everything she can at the wall and seeing what sticks

@Firesong what is your logic for townreading Smudger? you seem awful fast to dismiss this theory completely

you aren't very talented at discrediting are you?

[Nosferatu]

aristo still isn't here.

[Nosferatu]

From the Wiki:

However, it is not easy to determine who the Weak role targeted that Night, especially as scum favor killing claimed Weak roles specifically to obscure their last "result".

I was on a scumteam that did that once, for the specific purpose of framing a Townie. (Large Theme Star Trek DS9)

From Glork's ISO Post 471:

If Nos happens to flip town I know who I would reconsider. That said, I'm not going to get into that heading into night. Don't want to help scum select their kill/actions.

I think Scum killed Glork.

I think they're trying to frame Smudger.

there's one tiny problem in this logic

Glork hadn't claimed a weak role...

I don't see how this is relevant. She's saying Glork wouldn't have said anything to influence the night stage, so he wouldn't have crumbed his target.

[Nosferatu]

the former inhabitant of your slot suffered from a massive case of active-lurking, so I was trying to make sure we didn't get a perpetually empty slot.

[Nosferatu]

anything that pings you about everyone's switch from nosferatu to rory at the last second?

[Nosferatu]

if you were weak, aka dying should you target scum, why would you target a scumread?

[Nosferatu]

If you think Glork was killed by scum, why did RC die?

Vig is what I'm thinking.

I don't think so. Town with odd-night vig + normal vig doesn't seem like a plausible setup.

p-edit: damn you beat me to it

[Nosferatu]

if you were weak, aka dying should you target scum, why would you target a scumread?

:shrug:
Maybe that is a theory discussion you could have with glork
Point is, I don't see any other signs as to who he would target and I would like to think he would not leave us completely in the dark about his target

I for sure don't think he would target a scum read, he probably targeted a town read of his.

[Nosferatu]

More like just replace vig with sk

[Nosferatu]

just wondering guys, how do you guys know it's mylo

[Nosferatu]

just wondering guys, how do you guys know it's mylo

In order for scum to win, there have to be the same number of scum players alive as town players (since they can then influence majority vote). In mislynch or lose, there are two more town players than scum players. Since one person always dies per night, if a second person is killed with the lynch, then the scum team wins.

There is also lynch or lose, where there is only one more town player than the number of scum players.

I know what it is, I was wondering how we knew the number of scum.

[Nosferatu]

1. Scum has rolestopper/blocker
2. Scum has strongman
Are we just avoiding critical thinking or what?

[Nosferatu]

^possible scenarios, not statements.

[Nosferatu]

Also, Anna is like desperate to survive every game. Like she will pull anti-town shit to avoid the NK and survive.

[Nosferatu]

Tbh the fact that she included the word town in her claim + it was in the wrong spot makes me think she's scum.

intent to vote

I think it's L-1, haven't counted, but I wanna hear from the others just in case.

[Nosferatu]

Even if I'm inclined to believe makara is scum, this is still the safest option.
VOTE: No Lynch

[Nosferatu]

with only circumstancial evidence at a time like this, its too risky to gamble on makara or aristo being scum; we should have immediately no lynched at the start of the day to avoid giving scum any information, but its too late for that now. Unless there is solid evidence against either aristo or makara that cannot be reasonably doubted, no lynching is the most logical course of action.

[Nosferatu]

knew a tracker claim wouldn't go well. Should've no lynched with no one claiming.

[Nosferatu]

I think both makara and aristo are both town.

If scum has a 1-shot strongman and used it on RC n1, it would have gone through makara's protection and wouldn't have notified him. They also would have no killed last night to protect themself from a possible track from aristo. Her claim is too odd to be a fakeclaim. If she really wanted to fake claim, she would've chosen something like a vanilla cop, something she can easily get away with. A protecting PR targeting a dead players as a fake claim doesn't seem logical. It's way too suspicious.

I think a massclaim is appropriate at this time.

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uhh, maybe scum no killed because of a fucking tracker claim

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VOTE: Hinduragi
after thinking over it, if aristo was scum trying to deceive town, he'd probably claim cop over tracker, so I'll believe his claim over makara's.

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you've piqued my interest.

UNVOTE: Hinduragi

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L-3 now

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I will be back and I will be able to give you my thoughts on the game and they will be detailed. Extremely detailed.

Waiting for this ^

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After seeing that thing about the variants, I can believe that Aristo faked his claim. Doesn't make sense that two variants of basically the same role would exist simultaneously in the same game.

VOTE: Aristophanes

I dunno who the other scum could be, I like Firesong to go with this one, my read on her hasn't changed much since D1.

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After seeing that thing about the variants, I can believe that Aristo faked his claim. Doesn't make sense that two variants of basically the same role would exist simultaneously in the same game.

VOTE: Aristophanes

I dunno who the other scum could be, I like Firesong to go with this one, my read on her hasn't changed much since D1.

They are essentially a pseudo - Vanilla Cop. The weak modifier makes them entirely ineffective too. They essentially could find out if someone was a town pr, or if they targeted scum, that their target was scum. The latter occurred and they died. Their only other function is arguably antitown as they can literally only find town PRS.

Having a tracker makes sense to counterbalance that. At least I can track someone to a kill and help the town with that info. Plus, it provides the possibility of a counterclaim within town,which I could honestly see Chaos including, once again, to counterbalance the two roles and be overall devilish.

Hindu, I don't have time to fully address your post right now, but I am impressed you put this much work into it! That is dedication to getting a scum sweep!
It changes nothing though.

I don't think a tracker would be in the same game without a modifier, unless you've failed to mention having one.

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Also

VOTE: Firesong

Is there any real reason for this vote, or did we just go back into RVS?

And then I find this post

What about it stands out to you

Nosferatu appears really defensive about this Firesong vote.

Why does it seem that way to you?

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>nos has been more careful
If I had been careful there's no way I would've voted Soapbar D1

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Also, have you seen my latest scum game on this site? I got caught on like page 3.

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Tbh the fact that she included the word town in her claim + it was in the wrong spot makes me think she's scum.

intent to vote
I think it's L-1, haven't counted, but I wanna hear from the others just in case.

Special attention to this though. How likely is it Nos thought it was L-1, I'm not sure and it's wifom. Needs reading over though.

I didn't count.

I don't really read through to use meta on people; only to get a sense of their playstyle. Link it for the shits and giggles though if you want. I haven't seen it. If you were town, you should have been a lot more proactive throughout this game.

VOTE: Hinduragi
after thinking over it, if aristo was scum trying to deceive town, he'd probably claim cop over tracker, so I'll believe his claim over makara's.

you've piqued my interest.

UNVOTE: Hinduragi

After seeing that thing about the variants, I can believe that Aristo faked his claim. Doesn't make sense that two variants of basically the same role would exist simultaneously in the same game.

VOTE: Aristophanes

I dunno who the other scum could be, I like Firesong to go with this one, my read on her hasn't changed much since D1.

Why cop > tracker if scum?

It just seems like you were easily persuaded here since you only brought up one point. I see scum who see their buddy going down and are fine with bussing him once he's caught. What was your point of view here? Did you really think he's scum just based on the variants alone? Was there anything else in your line of reasoning?

1. I don't bus partners just because they're going down.
2. I was persuaded by your wall. I brought up the point that I liked the most.
3. Cop is more convincing than tracker when trying to get someone lynched.

Another point to take against aristo is that he wanted to prolong the day. At MyLo, you should immediately no lynch so scum won't have information on who to kill at night. I mentioned that when I voted for no lynch at the end of the day.

Nos, by careful I'm not talking about voting btw. I mean your posting style and how your posts come across and what they touch on. All of it feels pre-meditated to me. Why should I think otherwise? If you're town and are premeditating posts, why?

I don't know how I can come of as premeditating posts. If you mean previewing my posts and looking at them over again and changing it afterwards, then yes, I do that regularly.

As NL changed, Nos hopped on and Fire stayed at no vote. None of this is really alignment telling alone but all of it needs to be considered going forward.

I voted no lynch at the start of the day iirc.

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Fire stahp

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UNVOTE:

Dang it.

I got very little sleep musing over this.

I finally decided that Hinduragi should be lynched, and, depending on his flip, Aristophanes should be lynched tomorrow.

But I'm not trusting my judgement.

Glork was a Weak Motion Detector. Do we need a Tracker too?

There was speculation early in the game that we have an SK. I'm still looking at the possibility that Hinduragi/Aristophanes could be SK/Mafia.

The massclaim was just a suggestion, I'm not rolefishing, but I can see where Scum would love seeing claims.

1. There is no: "depending on his flip", it's MyLo, if he flips town WE LOSE.
2. Please give me a shred of evidence that there's a sk in this game. 2 kills on night 1 because Glork targeted scum. 1 kill for every other night except the last one.
3. "just a suggestion, totally not role fishing guys".

1 and 2 look rather scummy to me and 3 is just a bonus.

Because Aristophanes claims to have tracked me on N2 but got a No Result, suggesting a roleblocker. If there is a roleblocker, and he blocked Aristophanes N2, that would be helpful info, wouldn't it?

This was actually my reasoning behind my request for a role claim.

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I don't know how I can come of as premeditating posts. If you mean previewing my posts and looking at them over again and changing it afterwards, then yes, I do that regularly.

Yes, that's what I mean. Why? You mostly post one liners or short posts. Shouldn't be much room for error.

I'm a grammar freak. I just like to know that whatever I'm trying to convey gets across properly.

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I still don't get why you wouldn't claim your result on makara on d2 to prevent a mislynch.

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mfw AtE

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UNVOTE: Aristophanes
ugh, paranoia is getting the best of me, I need to re-read

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after quick meta, aristo doesn't give up as caught scum.

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can we just lynch firesong and be done with it?
VOTE: Firesong

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I don't think Aristo is scum. His play right now isn't how he acts as caught scum; he doesn't give up. But here, he's clearly abandoned the game. It's not something he does.

Pretty much everyone thinks fire is scum and some people still doubt Hindu. I'd rather decide between Hindu and Aristo when it isn't MyLo. Fire today, then decide between Hindu and Aristo, when there's a larger margin for error.

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UNVOTE:

gaaah.

why the unvote?

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Find something actually scummy about my play, I dare you. Aristo can't and so he's given up at the entire game. P.S. I read his games and giving up isn't his town meta either so ???.

that's honestly a retarded argument.

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Find something actually scummy about my play, I dare you.

Well you've been discrediting a fair amount of posts:

We still haven't lynched Hindu yet?
*sigh*

L
O
L

We aren't lynching me because your scumteam has your NK saved for that. Tell me one thing before you go back into active lurking again. Are you the RB? Who should we lynch tomorrow? Come on, oblige me.

Goddammit man. I didn't see the vote post on phone.

The entire "case" on me btw is a scum claim and....meta.

Find something actually scummy about my play, I dare you. Aristo can't and so he's given up at the entire game. P.S. I read his games and giving up isn't his town meta either so ???. I'm sick of people defending someone who's caught and has given up because they have the leeway to pretend like they don't know better and can play the newbie card. Im done giving out free passes on this.

intent to vote firesong

There is no way on earth she believes what she writes.

"I went unsure"
"So I meta'd him. From his play 3 years ago."
"Scum. No question."
100% SCUM MATCH YOU HEARD HER.

BETTER CATCH ME NOW

I mean last I checked, discrediting is scummy.

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lol

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After thinking about it, my assertion of this not being how aristo plays as scum is flawed. In the games I read where aristo didn't give up, he was the last of the scum team. I'll look through his games to see if he was caught scum in a game where his partners where still alive.

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well found a game where he replaced in, was and was later lynched; first in his scum team, and he slowly tapered off in activity as his lynch became imminent. Seem familiar?

SO, I'm rather sure Aristo is scum. I'll PoE last scum from NKs tonight.

if the fire wagon won't happen, I'll jump back on to the aristo wagon.

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well now you're just giving us your scum team

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Hey, you guys can vote however you like. Just check their meta first, it's not like the he said/he said arguments here are definitive.

Anyone voting me instead of Ari/Hindu is scum, btw.

Lemme get this straight. You think that Aristo/Hindu are sk/scum. And Ariso of course, being the sk and incapable of resisting a high profile, decides to fake claim tracker guilty on makara, who happens to be scum. Makara of course fake claims bodyguard, all as a scum tactic to get a counterlynch on Aristo, instead of hey, just saying that he's full of shit and saying he didn't go anywhere. This same sk, aristo, who can't resist the spotlight, evidenced by his desire to boldly claim tracker during MyLo, also happened to NOT KILL ONCE THE ENTIRE FUCKING GAME. This all makes sense to you?

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so yeah no other lycnh candidate, if hindu was actually scum, then I guess ggwp.
VOTE: Aristophanes

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god fucking damn it

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I was fucking right with the meta read the first time

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I don't understand Hindu's gambit(?). What was the point? Obfuscating the choices for scum to night kill?

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VOTE: Firesong
I can accept super scum, but I'm more confident in Fire scum.

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does everyone just say they're going to ISO person X whenever they have nothing to say yet?

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At this point, I think Firesong is probably noob town. The reason I think this is due to how she OMGUSed basically everyone who voted her after they vote and her indecisiveness during D3/4. I think if she were scum, she would probably care a bit less about her vote and not flip flop as much.

I'm going to counter this by saying she could've been paranoid of getting caught by VCA and being careful of her vote for that reason.

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At this point, I think Firesong is probably noob town. The reason I think this is due to how she OMGUSed basically everyone who voted her after they vote and her indecisiveness during D3/4. I think if she were scum, she would probably care a bit less about her vote and not flip flop as much.

I'm going to counter this by saying she could've been paranoid of getting caught by VCA and being careful of her vote for that reason.

I'm not such a noob that I could be "caught" by VCA. My votes are the real deal. By the way, Vote Count Analysis is only useful as applied to the entire playerbase on or after Day 3. In other words, you're doing Information Over Analysis.

That's not even what information over analysis means. Information over analysis is speculating about the setup more than scumhunting, which is in no way what I just posted, but instead is a good example of your posts, with an overwhelming portion of your ISO consisting of setup spec.

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That's not even what information over analysis means. Information over analysis is speculating about the setup more than scumhunting, which is in no way what I just posted, but instead is a good example of your posts, with an overwhelming portion of your ISO consisting of setup spec.

You are thinking of information instead of analysis, not information over analysis. I cant seem to find what Ioa actually means on the wiki other than "Ioa is similar to IIoa", so I could be wrong.

IIoA and IoA are the same thing iirc

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Gun to head, you have to pick, who are the scum?
If firesong is scum then one of nos or Mario is definitely scum

Although I don't suspect firesong right now, I am putting my money on nos being scum.

If I were scum why would I kill RC N1 when he was one of the few players who didn't want me lynched D1?

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knew a tracker claim wouldn't go well. Should've no lynched with no one claiming.

^ This sounds odd, like he's thinking out loud.

I think both makara and aristo are both town.

uhh, maybe scum no killed because of a fucking tracker claim

after thinking over it, if aristo was scum trying to deceive town, he'd probably claim cop over tracker, so I'll believe his claim over makara's.

After seeing that thing about the variants, I can believe that Aristo faked his claim. Doesn't make sense that two variants of basically the same role would exist simultaneously in the same game.

after quick meta, aristo doesn't give up as caught scum.

Here's where he places his vote on me, even though the lynch is between Ari and Hindu:

can we just lynch firesong and be done with it?

I don't think Aristo is scum. His play right now isn't how he acts as caught scum; he doesn't give up. But here, he's clearly abandoned the game. It's not something he does.

Pretty much everyone thinks fire is scum and some people still doubt Hindu. I'd rather decide between Hindu and Aristo when it isn't MyLo. Fire today, then decide between Hindu and Aristo, when there's a larger margin for error.

After thinking about it, my assertion of this not being how aristo plays as scum is flawed. In the games I read where aristo didn't give up, he was the last of the scum team. I'll look through his games to see if he was caught scum in a game where his partners where still alive.

^ This looks like someone busing

well found a game where he replaced in, was and was later lynched; first in his scum team, and he slowly tapered off in activity as his lynch became imminent. Seem familiar?

SO, I'm rather sure Aristo is scum. I'll PoE last scum from NKs tonight.

if the fire wagon won't happen, I'll jump back on to the aristo wagon.

^ This looks like someone busing

I'm sure in the two whole games you've finished, that you are in expert in identifying bussing scum. I also don't bus as scum.

You also quoted a bunch of stuff that you didn't comment on. Why include it at all?

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knew a tracker claim wouldn't go well. Should've no lynched with no one claiming.

^ This sounds odd, like he's thinking out loud.

I think both makara and aristo are both town.

uhh, maybe scum no killed because of a fucking tracker claim

after thinking over it, if aristo was scum trying to deceive town, he'd probably claim cop over tracker, so I'll believe his claim over makara's.

After seeing that thing about the variants, I can believe that Aristo faked his claim. Doesn't make sense that two variants of basically the same role would exist simultaneously in the same game.

after quick meta, aristo doesn't give up as caught scum.

Here's where he places his vote on me, even though the lynch is between Ari and Hindu:

can we just lynch firesong and be done with it?

I don't think Aristo is scum. His play right now isn't how he acts as caught scum; he doesn't give up. But here, he's clearly abandoned the game. It's not something he does.

Pretty much everyone thinks fire is scum and some people still doubt Hindu. I'd rather decide between Hindu and Aristo when it isn't MyLo. Fire today, then decide between Hindu and Aristo, when there's a larger margin for error.

After thinking about it, my assertion of this not being how aristo plays as scum is flawed. In the games I read where aristo didn't give up, he was the last of the scum team. I'll look through his games to see if he was caught scum in a game where his partners where still alive.

^ This looks like someone busing

well found a game where he replaced in, was and was later lynched; first in his scum team, and he slowly tapered off in activity as his lynch became imminent. Seem familiar?

SO, I'm rather sure Aristo is scum. I'll PoE last scum from NKs tonight.

if the fire wagon won't happen, I'll jump back on to the aristo wagon.

^ This looks like someone busing

I'm sure in the

one

whole game you've finished, that you are

an

expert in identifying bussing scum. I also don't bus as scum.

You also quoted a bunch of stuff that you didn't comment on. Why include it at all?

fixed for accuracy.

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I'm sure in the two whole games you've finished, that you are in expert in identifying bussing scum. I also don't bus as scum.

You also quoted a bunch of stuff that you didn't comment on. Why include it at all?

In the sig of a wise man: "Everybody lies." You might or might not bus as scum. I don't know that. (I know Aristo will if he has to.)

Uhh, simple, look at any game I've ever played and you will see I don't bus as scum.

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I'm sure in the two whole games you've finished, that you are in expert in identifying bussing scum. I also don't bus as scum.

You also quoted a bunch of stuff that you didn't comment on. Why include it at all?

In the sig of a wise man: "Everybody lies." You might or might not bus as scum. I don't know that. (I know Aristo will if he has to.)

Uhh, simple, look at any game I've ever played and you will see I don't bus as scum.

Is your only defense meta? Meta can't be solely relied on, but is more like supporting evidence.

This is literally the only time I've used meta as a defense lol

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even if we did lose the game, I don't even feel bad.

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so was it MM4 + Soap?

I ain't even mad

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so was it MM4 + Soap?

I ain't even mad

No, I was town

meant soap + mm4, you two have such similar names

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so was it MM4 + Soap?

I ain't even mad

No, I was town

meant soap + mm4, you two have such similar names

MM4 + Soap?

meant soap + mm4

Lolwut? xD Autocorrect?

I can't type. at all.