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Not sure. It is a claim in a closed setup. But on the other hand, if you are not a miller, then there could be a real miller to counterclaim you, so it is quite a risk to take.No reaction to my claim?
So I am gonna say town-leaning for now."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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The fact that they are on medication or that they involve it in the game?In post 72, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't feel comfortable when people claim to be on medication. :/"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Jesus Christ. It happens that someone fakeclaims in a closed setup. I was considering various possibilities. There's nothing wrong with that. This is a really bad reason to vote for me.In post 105, Lowell wrote:Wow you guys move fast. 5 pages. Oof.
I believe, and love, the miller claim. I remember years ago doing the same thing as miller and having a long and dumb philosophical discussion about it. Point is, haters gon' hate. Claim is smart, if true, and almost certainly true.
I also like Gamr as town.
VOTE: AI for trying to draw out a reason Taly would fake claim. Grasping at straws, as if trying to set something up."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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After having re-read Radja's ISO, I think it more likely that he is town. His posts seem genuine. I do wonder why he has Garmr as a townread. I think I have an idea, but I am not sure if saying it helps the game.
UNVOTE: Radja"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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^This is clearly a joke. It is not alignment indicative.Well you can trust me, I'm a doctor
I have felt like saying exactly this line before, but I resisted the temptation.
If MattP is scum, it is not because he "slipped" or "softclaimed" here."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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I don't like this comment. At all.
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Hell yeah.In post 290, iraonavp wrote:AlwaysInnocent, are you actually reading a single player in this game as scum-aligned?
Not necessarily you, though. I am still undecided about what to think of your comment. I have some other people in mind."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Radja is fence-town for me. His reactions are not the best, but he is still trying to scumhunt (despite the pressure) and I like that.
Then we have Albert B. If Mathilda is indeed scum, I am gonna say Albert B. is town.
My read on Dwlee is less strong (and is basically a result of a very early application of PoE). While he has made quite some posts, he does not really seem to be pushing the game forward or anything. He says he is a poor scumhunter, which can be either true or false; but it does seem like a poor excuse for not scumhunting."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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That was a silly misunderstanding on my part. It didn't deserve much attention, because it was simply my own stupidity.Now this is pretty funny because around this time Always innocent unvotes on the thought me and radja are masons then the next post he says never mind yet he never revotes radja or mentions him again.
Thank God (or rather, Nature) for the ability to revise my beliefs!P-edit now this interesting AI switch of reads on radja.
Without pressuring Radja, we would not have modest evidence in favor of him being town. It is only natural to move on at that point. There's nothing wrong with that.
So you think Radja is scum and he is being saved, or what?It's actually around this time the radja wagon is dieing we have opposition to wagon now in the forms of lowell,dwlee not actively but in the fact they are questioning the wagon of radja that matt takes his vote off."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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He is probably just on the wrong track. He did mention some things I had already forgotten about (like the Masons).
Do you think he is scum?"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Nice white knighting here. It also looks like Dierfire is yelling that he is scumhunting without actually doing any of the scumhunting.In post 130, Dierfire wrote:MattP looks fine to me. I don't know why people want to vote for him. Aero is a good bet for Town on his wagon. His points on Iraonavp are good; currently Iraonavp would be my best guess for Mafia on his wagon if he's Town.
Now I have to dive into Taly's posts.
But let's DIVE some more into Dierfire's posts!"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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I don't think it accomplished much either, but he seems genuine.In post 303, Dwlee99 wrote:I've liked some of garmr's earlier posts but that post didn't feel like he accomplished much.
Why not? He's a better candidate than MattP or Albert B.I don't approve of the dier vote."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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I can also vote for you, if you want.In post 306, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 304, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
I don't think it accomplished much either, but he seems genuine.In post 303, Dwlee99 wrote:I've liked some of garmr's earlier posts but that post didn't feel like he accomplished much.
Why not? He's a better candidate than MattP or Albert B.I don't approve of the dier vote.
You don't HAVE to vote for one of those 3. Why are you creating a false dilemma?"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Yes. I will point you to #293.In post 305, Frozen Angel wrote:even better than radja? if yes why?"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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I like threatening my perceived opponents. I think you could be scum buddies with Dierfire.In post 309, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 307, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
I can also vote for you, if you want.In post 306, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 304, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
I don't think it accomplished much either, but he seems genuine.In post 303, Dwlee99 wrote:I've liked some of garmr's earlier posts but that post didn't feel like he accomplished much.
Why not? He's a better candidate than MattP or Albert B.I don't approve of the dier vote.
You don't HAVE to vote for one of those 3. Why are you creating a false dilemma?
VOTE: AlwaysInnocent
I don't like the threat.
I question your vote and you immediately attack me for it."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Stop townreading scum.In post 314, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 313, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I generally don't do them, but in this case, I was already associating you two in my mind, and then you come and defend him. Weird.
Because he is a town read of mine why would I be okay with you lynching them?"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Yes. I will point you to #308.In post 316, Frozen Angel wrote:you wanna answer me about radja?"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Why are you even townreading him in the first place?In post 317, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 315, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
Stop townreading scum.In post 314, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 313, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I generally don't do them, but in this case, I was already associating you two in my mind, and then you come and defend him. Weird.
Because he is a town read of mine why would I be okay with you lynching them?
Stop scumreading town?"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Yes.In post 320, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 319, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
Why are you even townreading him in the first place?In post 317, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 315, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
Stop townreading scum.In post 314, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 313, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I generally don't do them, but in this case, I was already associating you two in my mind, and then you come and defend him. Weird.
Because he is a town read of mine why would I be okay with you lynching them?
Stop scumreading town?
You readin the thread?"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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I missed it.
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I don't.In post 324, Dwlee99 wrote:Then you would see why I am townreading dier."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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What is your read on Mathilda?In post 327, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 264, Dwlee99 wrote:@FA I think that dier is actively trying to solve the game
In post 266, Dwlee99 wrote:Their questions, fa.
In post 268, Dwlee99 wrote:Their questions help them figure out what is going on. Like in 234 they are trying to understand my read on radja and I like the pressure on ABR in 235."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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My estimate is that there are around 3 scum. I rarely come up with a read list so early, but I am feeling more confident than usual:
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Frozen Angel
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Radja
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Dwlee99
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Albert B. Rampage
Garmr
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iraonavp
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As usual, revision is inevitable. But I think I am on the right track."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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So, let's commit ourselves to sorting this out from D2? For now it is easier to just assume that the claim is truthful.In post 345, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 343, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Alright, Frozen Angel. You are not entirely unreasonable. Let's say fence-town then. For now. OK? We will deal with him on D2, agreed? Or do you want to deal with him now?
as I said LYLO is danger point . I can't accept to carry her with town till then. I can ignore the claim for now."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Radja is way too reckless to be scum. At least for now. I sort of understand some of his views and his behavior from a town point of view. I cannot guarantee that he is town, but I think it is very likely.In post 347, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 344, AlwaysInnocent wrote:What do you think of my other reads?
I'm not following Radja townread.Like at all
I'm considering Mattp in null category.
In rest I can't argue."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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For example...
^This uncompromising attitude is what gets him in a lot of trouble. It seems to fit more with the possible world where he is town and thinks that he can do everything he wants, and that people should just "back off" if they don't like that.In post 197, Radja wrote:Looks like I just became the center of attention. Interesting.
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Creating a counter-wagon. Not impossible. But with his attitude people just want to keep voting for him.In post 350, Frozen Angel wrote:or just a trapped scum who think his scum buddies can make a counter wagon ?
I really can't give him town cred for that comment
(Possibly his hypothetical scum buddies, too. )"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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This is a joke, right?In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7509208#p7509208]post 354[/url], RadiantCowbells wrote:FA has been modkilled.
She was an evil pagetop stealer.
I don't want to be a buzzkill, but I would not joke about those things when you have mod powers."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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No problem. It's just something to be aware of. Especially when you are used to being informal.In post 360, RadiantCowbells wrote:Joke removed. Sorry for any confusion caused."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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I am re-reading him to see if I missed something.In post 363, Lowell wrote:@Taly 274- I have a slight town read on Gamr. I can't remember why, but more or less I agree with AI's 287. Also, based on the last few pages I'm developing an AI townread.
I'd like more pressure on iraon, please. Seems like he just said "LOL your reads OMG" and there won't be any consequences. Or I guess we could all just OMGUS each other forever."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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I think you are right that we should pressure him, Lowell. I'm going to revise my read on him to null for now. I shouldn't be overconfident about these reads just because I am confident about some other reads."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Why do I seem new to the game? Do you really think that, or are you just saying that in an attempt to disqualify me? Have I not explained that I usually do not guess pre-flip associations, but that I felt confident enough to do it now? If you are scum, it is foolish to dismiss me as a newbie.In post 406, Dierfire wrote:
AlwaysInnocent seems new to the game. His interaction with Dwlee about the potential association between us is a pattern of thought that I'd expect from a newer player. I don't really like how many players he's reading as Town in 340 but I can live with it.
You do not like that I am townreading many players. Why not? Assuming that my townreads are (mostly) correct, it is safe to say that scum will not like it, because it leaves them prone to PoE, and they will not be able to do anything about it. The more uncertainty there is in the game, the better it is for scum. The opposite is, of course, better for town."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Vote Dierfire.In post 412, Lowell wrote:Good, Taly. Now others. AI, you're sitting around doing nothing. Vote iraon."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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He said he wasn't going to move his vote until some conditions are met. I would like Albert B. sorted out, too.In post 414, Frozen Angel wrote:Why no one else is pressuring Radja? He just parked his vote and Confessed he is going to contribute nothing to the game.
Because of his other posts.How could possibly anyone consider him town lean atm?!!!
If he is scum, we will get him eventually. But I don't think he is."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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He wasn't when Radja said he was going to keep his vote on him.In post 416, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 415, AlwaysInnocent wrote:He said he wasn't going to move his vote until some conditions are met. I would like Albert B. sorted out, too.
He is VLA , and I can't see any case against Albert.
Who are the real active lurkers?their just accusing him of active lurking when they are the real active lurkers ..."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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